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Will Samsung Galaxy S work on 3G fido/Rogers
Hello,
I live in Toronto, Canada and I have phone with Fido. The 3G frequency for fido/rogers are 850/1900. I have found the phone on ebay unlocked that supports HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100.
I heard many posts here about that. I just want to confirm If rogers/fido support 850/1900, however the phone only supports HSDPA 900 / 1900 / 2100.
Will I still get 3G network or not?
No 850 MHZ available yet. You'd get 2g, but not 3g. I'm sure the 850 Mhz version will be popping up soon.
Yes, but The phone support 1900 and rogers list 1900 as one of the two band frequencies for 3G, so it's should get 3G using 1900 frequency in some areas, right?
Re: Will Samsung Galaxy S work on 3G fido/Rogers
It should work on the 1900 band. You just need to make sure that you have strong 1900 band coverage for 3g in your area. Check gsmworld. Com for the maps.
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1900 is the secondary band. you'll only get it in certain areas.
and by certain, i mean very few.
even then, would you want a phone that can't connect when you're in one part of town to another
Okay so I was just reading this older article on IntoMobile: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010.html
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The news that AT&T is aiming to complete their 3G network migration to the more capable 850Mhz GSM ban came straight from de la Vega, so it’s a fairly reliable goal-line to look towards. Unfortunately for folks with 2G-limited (EDGE) devices, AT&T’s decision to co-opt the higher-frequency band for 3G services will means that 2G services will now rely on the more finicky and shorter-range 1900Mhz band. In fact, you may have already started noticing a drop in 2G performance in your area. Still, the push to migrate 3G services to the 850Mhz band highlights AT&T’s ongoing effort to improve their 3G network.
So basically by getting a phone that works on the less reliable portion of at&ts network we are definitely asking for trouble. So as much as I hate hate hate waiting. I think that I will have to wait for an official us version.
doctajay said:
Okay so I was just reading this older article on IntoMobile: http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010.html
Here is an excerpt:
The news that AT&T is aiming to complete their 3G network migration to the more capable 850Mhz GSM ban came straight from de la Vega, so it’s a fairly reliable goal-line to look towards. Unfortunately for folks with 2G-limited (EDGE) devices, AT&T’s decision to co-opt the higher-frequency band for 3G services will means that 2G services will now rely on the more finicky and shorter-range 1900Mhz band. In fact, you may have already started noticing a drop in 2G performance in your area. Still, the push to migrate 3G services to the 850Mhz band highlights AT&T’s ongoing effort to improve their 3G network.
So basically by getting a phone that works on the less reliable portion of at&ts network we are definitely asking for trouble. So as much as I hate hate hate waiting. I think that I will have to wait for an official us version.
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Good call.
I think that if we don't get an 850 mhz US one right away they'll probably get one in australia or somewhere else where 850 is used. Same deal with people who want the HD2 on AT&T.
850 Mhz version "Not likely" imo...
paulthepwner said:
Good call.
I think that if we don't get an 850 mhz US one right away they'll probably get one in australia or somewhere else where 850 is used. Same deal with people who want the HD2 on AT&T.
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I can comment from personal experience here.. I'm going to hedge a bet that there will not be an 850Mhz Galaxy S... If there were going to be, it would have been submitted to FCC by now, but I could be wrong.
I bought an OmniaHD last June, which is also 900/1900/2100 and it's never hooked up to 3G in Canada.
I can scan UMTS (using service menus) but cannot connect. I always get an unauthorized access message.
The real issue is that Canadian Carriers are making THE CORRECT business decision by using UMTS on 850Mhz.
850 gives you a larger coverage area, with the trade off of less subscribers per radio. this fits Canada's geographic demographic to the tee.. vast area, not many people.
It could be argued that 1900 should be enabled in metro areas, but Rogers is reserving the 1900 for additional voice capacity (is what I've come to learn).
I guess 1900 would be enabled if 850 became flooded.. so here's to iPad causing conjestion on the 850... iPad being pure data.. Hopefully this will be the case and 1900 will be enabled.
FYI there is an approved 'Tmobile' version of the Galaxy S. Tmobile uses 1700/2100.. and so does WIND
engadget.com/2010/04/11/samsung-galaxy-s-hits-the-fcc-with-atandt-bands-onboard/
at&t will be calling it the Captivate and its coming in late July.
kirbo20 said:
engadget.com/2010/04/11/samsung-galaxy-s-hits-the-fcc-with-atandt-bands-onboard/
at&t will be calling it the Captivate and its coming in late July.
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Thanks for the link...
From Engadget, you can click on the fcc image to get the the fcc application. This link: (rf exposure info)
fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1263518&native_or_pdf=pdf
page 4 indicates that the application is for WCDMA 1900Mhz.. GSM will operate both 850 and 1900, however 3G is 1900. (also 2.4Ghz application for BT and WIFI..
So you're out of luck if your carrier has enabled 3G on 850 only....
Hope Rogers enables 1900, because I WANT THIS PHONE!
ps. Page 12 is neat-it looks like they radiate Brain and Muscle tissue equivalents to see the effects of rf The details on test configurations and results are there as well.. I wonder if they'll come out with a corded version....
giz02 said:
The real issue is that Canadian Carriers are making THE CORRECT business decision by using UMTS on 850Mhz.
850 gives you a larger coverage area, with the trade off of less subscribers per radio. this fits Canada's geographic demographic to the tee.. vast area, not many people.
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Why is it that they're not using 900 instead of 850? How much of an "incorrect" business decision would that be?
Aqua1ung said:
Why is it that they're not using 900 instead of 850? How much of an "incorrect" business decision would that be?
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That... is a mystery unsolved ...
Prayers Answered
Samsung Captivate is the phone.. Now What about that Galaxy S Pro.. will we be seeing a flash for the camera???
I just received my Samsung Galaxy S and it's working on Rogers 3G. No problems all day.
bigbuffalo said:
I just received my Samsung Galaxy S and it's working on Rogers 3G. No problems all day.
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Are you in a strong 1900 Mhz area? Where did you buy your Galaxy S from?
trinikartel said:
Are you in a strong 1900 Mhz area? Where did you buy your Galaxy S from?
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I live in Richmond Hill. I have been all over including downtown, and it seems to be working so far. I bought it off a seller on eBay that is located in Markham.
Samsung Galaxy S 3g working in the (Greater Toronto Area) with Rogers on 1900 MHz
bigbuffalo said:
I live in Richmond Hill. I have been all over including downtown, and it seems to be working so far. I bought it off a seller on eBay that is located in Markham.
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@bigbuffalo, thanks for the tip about the guy in Markham, I met up with him yesterday and bought the Samsung Galaxy S. Man What a device!!! I replaced my Motorola Milestone as I had enough of the Motorola BS. Don't get me wrong, I still think its one of the best 2.1 devices in Canada but if you read the Motorola forums you can see what my frustrations have been all about.
I can confirm that the Galaxy S does indeed have 3G coverage all over the GTA (South Eastern Ontario, Canada) including Milton on the 1900 MHz band but if you drive 5 minutes west of Milton it goes down to EDGE. Oh forgot to mention that the 3G is 3.5G as I see an H (HSDPA, HSUPA) more often then I see 3G. I hope this helps.
The device is a work of art, smooth,thin, light, sexy and packs a punch. I would recommend this device to anyone over the Nexus One, Milestone and the Sony X10. The Samsung blows them out of the water in every way.
Also if anyone is interested here is the company I bought the Samsung Galaxy S from:
NCI Sales Support Team
Neway Communication International
newayci.com
1-888-839-5639
Now if I can only find some accessories..
Thanks again guys..
Regards,
oscicluna
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Glad you were able to get one. It is one superb piece of software. Not sure if your device has the Singtel firmware on it (Asia), but mine did and I found it to lag quite a bit. When I did my research, apparently that firmware really slows down the device. I since updated to JF2 firmware, and rooted, and now it runs fantastic. I would highly recommend to get rid of the Singtel firmware. Enjoy your device.
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@oscicluna
Glad you were able to get one. It is one superb piece of software. Not sure if your device has the Singtel firmware on it (Asia), but mine did and I found it to lag quite a bit. When I did my research, apparently that firmware really slows down the device. I since updated to JF2 firmware, and rooted, and now it runs fantastic. I would highly recommend to get rid of the Singtel firmware. Enjoy your device.
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hmm...i'm pretty much sold on this phone. Just gonna wait until Tuesday to see what they officially unveil in terms of US carriers (AT&T in particular). The (possible) removal of the front facing camera on the Captivate really ticked me off..but apparently they added a 6 axis sensor for gaming etc. Hoping they root the Captivate soonish after launch in the event I opt to go that route and save some $$. Decisions...decisions.....
Any one use this phone in CANADA with Rogers / Fido...
i'm use with Rogers...some time show at 3G mode or HSPA mode...but seem this phone is not support Rogers 3G network...can someone explain it.......also when i use Fido i can in roaming mode...the date is not working until i check the roaming date box........
Any NYC T-Mobile USA owners getting 3G on their Samsung galaxy note using 1900MHz/850MHz HSPA+ 84?
The Note would need to have the 1.7 Ghz Module accessible, while the hardware is capable, the drivers/software has not been developed to allow support. You need both 2.1 GHz and 1.7GHz to make T-Mobile 3g work. 1700MHz band (actually its 1710MHz -1755MHz) is the upload freq, and the 2100MHz band (2110MHz - 2155MHz) the download. You need both or T-Mobile will kick the phone into Edge only(850Mhz).
What is this I don't even...
The Note is not an AWS-capable device, and the hardware does not support it. Band IV (AWS) will never work. Ever.
Croak said:
The Note is not an AWS-capable device, and the hardware does not support it. Band IV (AWS) will never work. Ever.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1400816
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1395971
Spartan2x said:
The Note would need to have the 1.7 Ghz Module accessible, while the hardware is capable, the drivers/software has not been developed to allow support. You need both 2.1 GHz and 1.7GHz to make T-Mobile 3g work. 1700MHz band (actually its 1710MHz -1755MHz) is the upload freq, and the 2100MHz band (2110MHz - 2155MHz) the download. You need both or T-Mobile will kick the phone into Edge only(850Mhz).
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i don't think you guys understood what he was saying
T-Mobile is supposedly testing out non-aws band for their data service and he's simply asking if anyone has tried it in nyc
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/17/2642763/t-mobile-3g-1900-iphone-hspa-84
read what the OP wrote, think about it, read it again because you just skimmed it the first time, think about it a lot harder, read it one more time for good measure and realize your response wasn't applicable, move on to the next thread..
Do that before responding guys.....
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ph00ny said:
i don't think you guys understood what he was saying
T-Mobile is supposedly testing out non-aws band for their data service and he's simply asking if anyone has tried it in nyc
http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/17/2642763/t-mobile-3g-1900-iphone-hspa-84
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+1 for reading what the OP wrote before responding
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If someone was getting T-Mobile 3G on the 1900 band, don't you think someone would have posted it by now?
Nope. I'm still only getting EDGE in/near NYC. And slow EDGE at that.
I've been switching back and forth between my T-Mobile SIM and an AT&T mvno SIM. I'm getting decent speeds with the latter but dreaming T-Mobile will come through with the 1900mhz 3G.
Any updates on this? Some markets like Pittsburgh have this already right?
I keep hearing end of the year. My understanding is that T-Mobile is working to get current 2G users off the 1900Mhz band before refarming can occur. They had a pilot program in a couple of markets and there was some rumbling of a national rollout of that program possibly in September. I follow this very closely and there is still nothing concrete. I just asked about this in a T-Mobile store and they said they are expecting further information, but nothing yet, They are moving as quickly as they can as they need the iPhone and can't get it until the refarm is done.
I know this has been rumored before, but here it is straight from the horse's mouth.
http://blog.t-mobile.com/2012/03/13/t-mobile-expands-4g-network-to-new-cities/
Snippet here:
We are also going to make more effective use of the spectrum we already have by refarming a portion of our 1900 MHz PCS spectrum to support HSPA+ services, which frees up additional AWS spectrum for LTE
If I am not mistaken that would also make our Galaxy Notes compatible as well! Which would make me very...
damm
that would be Great!
Tmo USA's 1900mhz band is for 2G. So all they are saying is that they will use some of their 2G spectrum to expand their HSPA+ (1700mhz) and LTE (700mhz) network.
Spartoi said:
Tmo USA's 1900mhz band is for 2G. So all they are saying is that they will use some of their 2G spectrum to expand their HSPA+ (1700mhz) and LTE (700mhz) network.
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Taken from the article...
"Will refarming make your network compatible with the iPhone? And will you stop offering 2G services? A nice side benefit of the refarming effort is that our 4G network will be compatible with a broader range of devices, including the iPhone."
That would be a great way for TMo to steal some customers from AT&T and add to their user base when the AT&T users bring their own device (BYOD), since their plan prices are better.
adelmundo said:
That would be a great way for TMo to steal some customers from AT&T and add to their user base when the AT&T users bring their own device (BYOD), since their plan prices are better.
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Yah, and at least in my area T-Mobile has better reception & faster data speeds. So, I will jump over as soon as this becomes a reality. *fingers crossed*
This alone will bring Tmobile to 3rd. If they also market themselves as a carrier that isn't afraid of being a dumb pipe, they will foster despite not having any hero phones of their own.
Here's a new post over on the T-Mobile forums.
http://support.t-mobile.com/thread/21487?start=30&tstart=0
So as far as my research goes there are 2 options for the GS3 on t-mobile.
One is buy the international version and wait for t-mobile to upgrade their network which they say will be out by the "end of the year."
The second is pick up a gs3 from WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron (Canadian carriers that use the same frequencies as T-Mobile).
Is the second option even viable or should I just get the international version? To put things in perspective of why I want to upgrade now, my g2x was stolen a few months ago and I've been suffering with my 8900 Blackberry....a phone with 2G speeds and the processing power of a rock and I just cannot take this any more.
One question is the chip the North American version will get, which is probably the S4 Krait, it has very good performance and probably more battery efficient. Sound quality should be excellent like the HTC One S. Not to mention LTE support too, which T-Mobile is unveiling next year.
With that said, I always go for the international version, its released first for one and generally has more developers. I buy my phones at full price and int' version generally has better resale values. I don't think you have a lot of choice if you are in contract.
I can tolerate the 2G until 1900mhz band works with T-Mobile, I only need data for Google Maps, I get on WiFi otherwise.
Funny. I broke my N1 and am stuck with a BB curve 3600. It's been a month or so now....and I believe I've been punished long enough!
I wouldn't be able to tolerate the 2G speeds. So I will be getting it through mobile when they release release it. Having carrier warranty is a big plus for me too.
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well I'm sure there will be canadians that would be willing to sell their phones out of contract, full price. I wouldn't be locked into a contract either way.
i wouldn't mind helping out our fellow breathens from the south
i know i'll be picking it up for sure when it becomes available in store.
just keep in mind there's a 13% tax here + FedEx shipping fees which varies for northern states is aprox $20, southern states is about $26
AllGamer said:
i wouldn't mind helping out our fellow breathens from the south
i know i'll be picking it up for sure when it becomes available in store.
just keep in mind there's a 13% tax here + FedEx shipping fees which varies for northern states is aprox $20, southern states is about $26
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whats 40 bucks when you have the top phone working on your network ahead of everyone else right?
i would think it would be the international version that WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron would be getting, sense they dont have LTE.
tkeyes said:
i would think it would be the international version that WIND Mobile, Mobilicity or Videotron would be getting, sense they dont have LTE.
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did you check the radio bands included in the international model?
yes, they dont work with t-mo till the end of end of the year. no one wants 2G service.
International/Unlocked S3 on T-Mobile or AT&T (USA)
tkeyes said:
yes, they dont work with t-mo till the end of end of the year. no one wants 2G service.
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Why won't they work?
I read the International Version can run on either T-Mobile (USA) or AT&T network, since the International Version of the S3 uses the same spectrum. It won't be possible to use LTE, but HSPA+ is possible... so I read.
Don't know if you specifically meant the Canadian version, because the International SG3 uses "850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz", for use with "3g (hspa＋ 21mbps)" (= T-Mobile).
Can you provide a few more details on why it's not supposed to work, as you say ??
Thanks!
androidarmin said:
Why won't they work?
I read the International Version can run on either T-Mobile (USA) or AT&T network, since the International Version of the S3 uses the same spectrum. It won't be possible to use LTE, but HSPA+ is possible... so I read.
Don't know if you specifically meant the Canadian version, because the International SG3 uses "850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 mhz", for use with "3g (hspa＋ 21mbps)" (= T-Mobile).
Can you provide a few more details on why it's not supposed to work, as you say ??
Thanks!
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Cause it doesn't list 1700mhz, which tmobile needs for the down link.
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The 1700 mhz band is not necessarily needed. I just checked some other sources, and they say it's only needed for LTE - which T-Mobile won't have until some time in 2013 anyway. HSPA+ is good enough for speedy downloads on the 1900 mhz band.
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Just found this one on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA
[T-Mobile] Radio frequency spectrum chart
The following chart describes radio frequency spectrum bands accessible by the company's customers using compatible devices.
850 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1900 MHz GSM/GPRS/EDGE 2G
1700+2100 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 4G (formerly 3G)
1900 MHz UMTS/HSPA/HSPA+ 4G
This means, the International SG3 will be fine in the U.S. using T-Mobile's speedy HSPA+ network... and that's all I need.
..???..
Well... this is confusing: T-Mobile's website (for SIM-only plans) actually states..
Important note about 3G phones:
If you own a 3G phone but it does not support the 1700-MHz band, it will operate at 2G (EDGE) speeds on our network.
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Looks like you guys were right... This sucks!!!
you need 1700 Mhz for AWS 3G/4G support
LTE is not even in the picture
I believe t mobile has had a SGSIII go through the FCC in the last week. I believe they will be getting their own model.
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planoman said:
I believe t mobile has had a SGSIII go through the FCC in the last week. I believe they will be getting their own model.
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I believe that is correct, by the end of next month tmo should be selling it. I have a feeling that it's going to be the same as the international version.
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Has anyone read this article about the relase date. My contract is up this week but im waiting untill its released. Seems like the speeds will be 4g but no quad-core processor
Plus I heard the Samsung Galaxy Note is going to be released on TMo too!!
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2012/05/samsung-galaxy-s3-note-in-t-mobile-document/
moshe22 said:
I wouldn't be able to tolerate the 2G speeds. So I will be getting it through mobile when they release release it. Having carrier warranty is a big plus for me too.
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Exactly true for me. On verizon tho.
I can deal with edge speeds as WiFi is everywhere, plus T-Mo is refarming their spectrum - the Int'l Version should be compatible with 4G by Q4
I am concerned after the Government sold new 4G bands to Telstra, Optus and TPG.
The new bands are in the 700Mhz 4G bands, similar to Americas 4G networks. IMO a stupid move because hardly any phone manufacturers target this band when creating global devices. Why is Australia trying to follow the US so much?
This will significantly reduce the 4G devices that we will be able to buy going forward, and in a lot of cases will not even be available. Obviously the Telcos are excited by this, because you are more likely to be forced into buying their phones.
The roll out is planned over the next two years
this put a damper on my morning!
decentgi said:
this put a damper on my morning!
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Sorry, I think that I wasn't clear, but I am sure that the existing networks will still be supported. So our Xperia Z should still work, but you can be sure that the this 4G network will be the new development and the network they will put the most work into (Similar to Telstra's nextG)
Not bothered by this, the 4G coverage is still too 5hit IMO...
Got coverage in south eastern side of Melbourne, chadstone, mount Waverly, burwood, Doncaster
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I am concerned after the Government sold new 4G bands to Telstra, Optus and TPG.
The new bands are in the 700Mhz 4G bands, similar to Americas 4G networks. IMO a stupid move because hardly any phone manufacturers target this band when creating global devices. Why is Australia trying to follow the US so much?
This will significantly reduce the 4G devices that we will be able to buy going forward, and in a lot of cases will not even be available. Obviously the Telcos are excited by this, because you are more likely to be forced into buying their phones.
The roll out is planned over the next two years
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Worldwide companies are working with the 700Mhz band. Vodafone international has been testing the 700Mhz band in New Zealand, Australia, U.K and parts of Europe for the past year due to it's higher stability, and far better range than current bandwidths. Phone manufacturers are also aware of this, but it's still a long way from being put into commercial use, mainly due to the bandwidth still being tied up with other services (UHF Television for example).
cheetah2k said:
Not bothered by this, the 4G coverage is still too 5hit IMO...
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Yep your not wrong
Bl1tZ7 said:
Worldwide companies are working with the 700Mhz band. Vodafone international has been testing the 700Mhz band in New Zealand, Australia, U.K and parts of Europe for the past year due to it's higher stability, and far better range than current bandwidths. Phone manufacturers are also aware of this, but it's still a long way from being put into commercial use, mainly due to the bandwidth still being tied up with other services (UHF Television for example).
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I am not sure that you are correct, because Vodafone have not purchased any 700MHz bands for 4G in Australia. These are new bands that have just been opened up, so any commercial testing on these bands can only start now and not for Vodafone. Analogue TV is being switched off here very soon, and all of Australia by the end of the year.
Vodafone is huge in New Zealand but in Australia they are CRAP, and they are typically known as vodafail, they are only enabling the 4G in June, the band they are using in Australia is 1800MHz with a 20MHz width.
Yes, and New Zealand has commonly been unusual for mobile support look at the telecom cdma network that was introduced, and the lack of devices to support it when it was released.
Qualcomm already has all LTE bands support in it's latest chipset, but obviously that is not included in most phones today.
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I am not sure that you are correct, because Vodafone have not purchased any 700MHz bands for 4G in Australia. These are new bands that have just been opened up, so any commercial testing on these bands can only start now and not for Vodafone. Analogue TV is being switched off here very soon, and all of Australia by the end of the year.
Vodafone is huge in New Zealand but in Australia they are CRAP, and they are typically known as vodafail, they are only enabling the 4G in June, the band they are using in Australia is 1800MHz with a 20MHz width.
Yes, and New Zealand has commonly been unusual for mobile support look at the telecom cdma network that was introduced, and the lack of devices to support it when it was released.
Qualcomm already has all LTE bands support in it's latest chipset, but obviously that is not included in most phones today.
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The Sale of Bandwidths is so a provider can use them towards commercial use, Telstra for example began LTE testing as early as 2010. Companies do not need to purchase a frequency before they can begin testing on it. For Example, Vodafone New Zealand launched LTE just this March, after purchasing the 1800Mhz frequency in February, but have been testing the frequency since 2011.
And I agree, Vodafone in Australia is rubbish
Don't get me started on Telecom, they're the reason NZ is still so far behind the rest of the developed world in terms of Telecommunications.