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Gmail POP’ped to desktop and IMAP’ped to Wizard?

I would like to read my gmail email in MS Outlook on my computer, and while I am away from it, read the new only emails (the ones not yet downloaded to desktop) from my T-mobile MDA.
The way I understand it is done is to POP emails to desktop (which deletes them from the email server) and use IMAP on the mobile device to read whatever is not POPped yet. The problem is that Google’s Gmail does not support IMAP protocol. So how do I do this then, other than to change to an email provider who supports both POP and IMAP?

In gmail's POP service you can choose to either delete or archive email d/l by your device. You could read ur email from your pda then the email you just read would be archived into another folder.

I think what you need to do is change the settings in MS Outlook on your desktop to leave a copy of the email on the server for x number of days. On your PDA change the imap server settings to only download the last x number of messages or messages that were received in the last x number of days. I don't use a POP server anymore but you should be able to use the "tools" then "email accounts" then "view or change exisiting email accounts" and look for something along the lines of leave copy/copies of email on the server so that way Outlook doesn't delete them from the server.... In terms of the POP settings on the PDA make sure that it is never deleting emails off the server otherwise you are going to be faced with "dissapearing" email messages.
Hopefully this helps or someone else can be more helpful.

go to your gmail account, in the settings you can set it to be accessable through POP, do that. Dont forget to set it to leave a copy on the server
On your PDA you need to configure Outlook to accept the gmail accout.
go Start > Programs > Messaging
at bottom of screen choose Accounts
click New
enter email address click next
enter Your Name, User name, Password ( I leave the save password box ticked as I am idle ) click next
choose account type POP3
choose Name POP3 (unless you have option to choose another name you like better) click next
in server information
set Incoming as pop.gmail.com
set Outgoing as smtp.gmail.com
click the options button, page 2 of 3 check Outgoing requires server auth , check box Require SSL
click next
box now shows all Accounts as New, Text Message, POP3
click the OK top right of screen
thats it, done.

Wizzer said:
In gmail's POP service you can choose to either delete or archive email d/l by your device. You could read ur email from your pda then the email you just read would be archived into another folder
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...and hence not downloaded to the desktop if I understand correctly.
justintime07 said:
On your PDA change the imap server settings...
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Gmail does not support IMAP unfortunately. Also, I do not want to go by the number of days or number of messages because those things are not known in advance. I only want to pop email to my computer, and read whatever is not popped to the computer from the mobile device.
tbc_borg, the instructions are helpful if I only wanted to read email from the road. But after email is downloaded to the device, Gmail does not pop it to the desktop, which is not good for me.
I think I found how to do this.
I got another gmail address, set up forwarding of everything from the main email to the second one (with the original left in the main Inbox). I pop everything from the main email to the desktop and from the second email address to the Wizard. I will be receiving duplicate emails to both desktop and the mobile device, but that is better than having only half of emails on the desktop. Any better ideas? I searched extensively, found nothing smarter (well, again, other than finding an email provider that supports both pop and imap protocols).

I had the same problem. What I did was open a second relay a/c, eg [email protected]. I then added a forward on all mails from my normal gmail account to the relay account. On my phone I have my incoming mail server set to the relay account but my outgoing server set to my normal account. This means that all your mails will be forwarded to the relay account and when you want to reply to any of them on the phone it will send them from your normal account!
Bit of a roundabout way of doing things but works fine!

WOW, good hint with the different outgoing server, decmac! It works just as expected!
But I noticed something else that is wrong. I send a test email to my main email address, it gets forwarded to the relay email address. Send/receive from computer, receive the email fine. Send/receive from Wizard, receive it fine as well. So far so good. However, when I send/receive from the Wizard again, the email message that has just been downloaded gets DELETED and is nowhere to be found on the device (not even in "Deleted Items" folder.) I wonder what I have missed in the settings somewhere.

Yeah, that's a problem. It seems to only keep a current copy of your Gmail inbox on the phone so when you do send/receive it overwrites everything. What I have done to get around this is select "Get Message headers only" and select "Include x Kb of message body" Make x big enough to get all of your messages. It then keeps my messages in my inbox until I either delete it or select "Get entire message and any attachments" in the email message.
Not sure if this would work but maybe move messages into a local folder on the phone. Haven't tried this but in theory it should work! The above works perfect for me!

Perfect! It works!
Vielen Dank!

Kein Problem

VERY annoying email bug(s)

I have set up my own personal email account in the HD2 - not outlook, just a standard personal email.
Configured all well and good; works fine except for the very poor implementation by HTC which gives the user absolutely no audio / visual conformation that your messages have actually been sent successfully....?!
However, I have it set to retrieve new emails from my server every 15 minutes, but it does this so erratically that I can't trust it. Today I was wondering why no email had come through by 1pm, so I manually pressed 'send and receive' and 8 important emails came through from 8.40am!
So I decided to check the mail settings (again) to make sure it wasn't just me being dense. That's when I discovered an even more annoying bug -
Every time I access my POP3 email account's settings the HTC automatically changes my incoming mail account user name from whatever I saved last time, to just the first 3 letters of the user name.
ie I put in a user name of [email protected] and the next time I view the settings there's only HTC in the username box.
It gets worse still, everytime I also check the outgoing server details, at the same time it also defaults the 'outgoing (SMTP) mail server' to 'use the same username and password for sending email' IN-SPITE of the fact that I have now set this up 15 times and saved it with a different user name and password!! AGHHH!
So, it's very unreliable in retrieving emails (over wifi or 3G or GPRS) and the email account settings need re-setting up every time I access the account settings to check why they are not working...again.
I am very quickly losing faith in this bit of tech, this is my second HD2 handset and it's freezing and crashing more in a few days that my old 3G did in a year. So frustrating!
Does anyone have any idea what's up with the email issue?
Cheers.

Yep, I've seen the first problem you have, where part of the username (more specifically, everything from the ampersand onwards) are truncated. This, and presumably the other problems, seem to be down to the HTC email configuration program trying to be too clever. If you go to Pocket Outlook, by tapping on Inbox when you're on the email Sense tab, then go to Menu -> Tools -> Options, and set your accounts up there, they stick. Annoying bug, but circumventable reasonably painlessly.

ianjd said:
If you go to Pocket Outlook, by tapping on Inbox when you're on the email Sense tab, then go to Menu -> Tools -> Options, and set your accounts up there, they stick. Annoying bug, but circumventable reasonably painlessly.
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I have no Tools in Menu of the Inbox
I only got the account setup when in the sense tab and there i only get to the htc account settings. So how to I get to the outlook settings?

I also had this problem with it not automatically syncing my hotmail account as specified.
The newer 148 ROM seems to address this BUT introduces a number of irratating bugs along with it - depends if you can live with them or not....

KaNarlist said:
I have no Tools in Menu of the Inbox
I only got the account setup when in the sense tab and there i only get to the htc account settings. So how to I get to the outlook settings?
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hello
try this
press start > email ..that will take you to winmo default ..add account there
this worked for me

Did you change peak time settings as well?

KaNarlist said:
I have no Tools in Menu of the Inbox
I only got the account setup when in the sense tab and there i only get to the htc account settings. So how to I get to the outlook settings?
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Did you scroll the menu up? Tools is in the list but not visible at first.

How to set up Hotmail within email prog

Well, most people post a query, and get an answer. However, i have spent hours trying to work this one out, so for a change i will give the answer first!!
When you try to add a hotmail account in the email app, you may get as far as entering your email address, and then it says something like "settings found for hotmail", and then it just opens the browser and sends you to the windows live site. Sound familiar? Well it's annoyed me for hours, so here's how i got round it!
Goto add account, then enter your hotmail address when it asks, but misspell the hotmail part, ie: @hotmai.com, or @liv.co.uk or whatever. This fools it, and you can set it up manually, thus:
pop server: pop3.live.com
smtp server: smtp.live.com
When done, you still need to change another setting or two, so from the main mail window in Sense, tap 'inbox' (this brings up the classic WM inbox), then tap menu > tools > options, tap the account you just made, then tap edit account setup. First your misspelt address comes up, so here's where you correct that. Then press next, and adjust your display name if needed, then press next again, the pop address should be ok, so press next once again, then username comes up - make sure it's your FULL address, ie with the @live.com or whatever after it. Press next again, the smtp address will come up, which should be correct. Now, tap on 'advanced server settings', and make sure both of the SSL boxes are ticked. Press done, next, next, finish. That's it! Now you should be able to collect your mail like any other account. Hope this helps!

It is the epitome of STUPID that a Microsoft Windows Mobile based phone needs such gymnastics to use a simple Microsoft Hotmail account, isn't it?
(I'll try this later, thanks.)

It worked for me too! Thanks. I really wanted to consolidate my accounts in this way, and I had not figured out how to make it work.

Well it's crazy, how can two MS products not integrate and work seamlessly together, it's so sad!

works great thanks for the help, just seems silly that for a windows phone its so difficult

hotmail & HD2
Funnily enough, I had no problems at all connecting to a hotmail account. I entered my account details, it downloaded live (maybe that's its) and away i went. It deals with hotmail the same as my exchange email (through activesync) and my gmail account.
just my 2p worth...

this could be nice! is it possible this way to get real push mail? i heard that with live it was pull mail..

You only need this method if you want to use more than 1 hotmail account. You should always use live for your first hotmail account as that is push email (not pull, as suggested above).
Also, this is in the hints and tips thread which is stickied in the forum, and has been there for months. That thread is vital reading for anyone that doesn't want to clog up the fourm with duplicated information (and not for the first time!)

Hotmail/MS OfficeLive on Android

Thanks everyone in advance for any help you may give me.
I have just bought an HTC Desire and my company e-mail runs through MS Officelive (i.e. Hotmail/Windows Live for Business).
I have heard previous Android devices syncing with Hotmail (probably through 3rd party apps installed).
Does anyone know of a good email app that enables HTML etc. and syncs with Hotmail/Windows Live which isn't POP3 (which is terrible as it doesn't sync).
Tried Maildroid and it will only work over POP3 again (even though it says it works with Windows Live).
Would be great if there's a push one too!
Don't mind if it's a paid app either to get it working without POP3.
Any help?
Thank you again.

RE: MailDroid
Hi Urp,
MailDroid will work for it over IMAP if you have set the correct settings. Most people have POP3 so it defaults to that, but if you add in your username/pass and click manual setup, you will be able to add in your imap settings.
PM me if you need some help.
-Joe
P.S. I did not even know live supported IMAP

I tried Seven Beta and if kinda works with hotmail but is very buggy at the moment and support is lacking as it's only beta.
It may work better for you so give it a try
Sully

Thanks guys, I appreciate the support. Do you know the IMAP settings for Windows live then? Everywhere I've read said it isn't supported.
Thank you again guys!
Matt (urp)

RE: Windows Live
Right, that is what I thought. MailDroid works over POP3 for hotmail/live/msn etc. and will do a poll of the server. My understanding is that windows live mail means that the desktop client can access other IMAP accounts and not that Hotmail itself has IMAP.
You can get push mail by signing up for other companies (shangmail and maybe seven (not sure how seven does it)) and they will poll and get UIDs and then push to you. Essentially, they are polling and pushing from their application. Personally, I am biased, but I will tell you that I have many happy hotmail/live/msn users.
Are you seeing issues using MailDroid?
edit: Go to windowslivehelp.com and search for IMAP and you will see that it is not supported.

I have my hotmail account synced directly to my desire, i simply told it to set up an account used my hotmail addy and it got the settings from the internet for me.
However in case yours isnt picking them up for some reason I have provided them below for you- Htc Desire on Tmobile Software number 1.15.110.11
incoming settings
protocol =pop
pop server = pop3.live.com
security type =ssl
server port =995
outgoing settings
login required =ticked
username =hotmail addy ie [email protected]
smtp server=smtp.live.com
security type=tls
server port=587
Account name =Hotmail
Your Name =what ever you want it to display
hope that helps you.

The op doesn't want to use pop access he wants imap or push email, where it deletes messages from server and shows read items as already read etc
Sully

Then simply select your live/hotmail account and select the three vertical bars from the widget to take you into the full email app.
then from there you need to press the menu button and select more.
then select settings and under send and receive settings select
Delete mail on server to be on ie ticked.
this will then delete them from your hotmail account as you delete them from your device when you press refresh to resync the account.
This wont mark them as read on the server however, what you can do as a workaround is to select the unread function on the device to read your unread from the device or to switch off the delete from hotmail account setting and delete them all from your device after you have deleted the ones you dont want which will leave the ones you want to keep on the server but remove them from your device. Then when you sign into hotmail you can mark them all read.
isnt perfect but better than nothing.
btw just to add the delete settings can be set up seperately for each account etc etc

haggisuk99 said:
Then simply select your live/hotmail account and select the three vertical bars from the widget to take you into the full email app.
then from there you need to press the menu button and select more.
then select settings and under send and receive settings select
Delete mail on server to be on ie ticked.
this will then delete them from your hotmail account as you delete them from your device when you press refresh to resync the account.
This wont mark them as read on the server however, what you can do as a workaround is to select the unread function on the device to read your unread from the device or to switch off the delete from hotmail account setting and delete them all from your device after you have deleted the ones you dont want which will leave the ones you want to keep on the server but remove them from your device. Then when you sign into hotmail you can mark them all read.
isnt perfect but better than nothing.
btw just to add the delete settings can be set up seperately for each account etc etc
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I am aware of the delete function, I was just giving examples of what imap has over a pop account. If you delete a message from hotmail after your phone has synced then it will remain on the device, I know what you are saying but it just doesn't offer the functionality of imap or push email
Sully

Appreciate that but unless you want to hand over your login details to a third party to handle that we are stuck with the above as there is no imap support with hotmail for paid or free accounts to the best of my knowledge, the only item i know that uses imap in conjunction with live mail is the windows desktop live client however there is no visible settings shown on what ports or settings are used.
Until someone can figure them out we are stuck with the above.

re:
Correct, or until Microsoft decides to catch up and implement IMAP

Thank you so so much guys, you've been so helpful. One reason I need IMAP or push is because I quite often move mail between folders. I need something like mboxmail on iPhone but on a far superior OS!
The nearest looks like seven but it isn't perfect by any means.
Thank you again guys, you've been so helpful.
P.s. noticed an engadget post saying HTC desire had overnight upgraded its Google maps to include turn by turn and its fantastic!!!!

E-Mail Settings -- How Do I leave messages on server?

My TP2 e-mail settings allow me to leave the message on the server (POP3) when I delete them from the phone. However, my HD2 doesn't have such a setting as far as I can see. Anyone know how to do this? I also posted this question in the T-Mo support forum, but haven't heard anything.... This is very important to me, and if indeed there is no such setting on the HD2, I will return the phone.

This is for pop3 or imap but don't know how it is for exhange server etc.
Inbox>
menu>tools>options....
then select the account you want to "edit"
then select edit account setup>next>next>next>next>next
how ever many "next" it takes to get to Automatic Send/Receive and on bottom of the screen is "Advanced Settings"
that is where the option you are looking for is.
That is how it is on my phone anyway.
Good luck

I posted this yesterday for you on the T-Mo site:
Start key> Email>Menu>Options> select email account >Edit Account Setup>click Next 5 times, then Advanced Settings. The next screen will let you select whether to delete them from the server or move them to server trash. I have all of my email accounts set to delete them from server and when I delete emails, I do a Send/Receiver and have had no problems with my emails deleting. If I have it set to move to server trash, it leaves them on the server.

you can skip about 5 button presses by just selecting send/receive schedule rather than Edit Account Setup. From Send/Receive menu select Advanced Settings and you just arrived at the same point.

True, but I thought perhaps there were other options that the poster might also want to change or review. But your way is the most direct.