Anyway i was wondering if anyone had broken an Xperia Play or done any Drop Tests, i couldnt find any.... but while i was searching i came across a video of A Professional Microwaver, Microwaving it.
He has hundereds of video Microwaving different electronics & products, really fun to watch!
Video -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kddON_b2RRU
wow sold for 888$... makes me think of micrvaving my play too xD /joke
must be a verizon user...
I was about to try this myself til I noticed the warnings.
Trololololololol & im from the UK, I dont understand by what you said by 'verizon user'....
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verizon is a phone company in america I think and from comments on here they are useless and fill there updates to the brim with bloatware before they push them out ,don't quot me on that as I'm in the U.K to
I would never do it to Play. Yes, i would be first to test the iPhone tho
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verizon is a phone company in america I think and from comments on here they are useless and fill there updates to the brim with bloatware before they push them out ,don't quot me on that as I'm in the U.K to
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Pretty much correct;
Verizon Wireless is a subsidiary company of Verizon Communications. They are one of the largest wireless/cellphone providers in the USA. They operate using CDMA2000 and LTE instead of GSM. Good call quality, great coverage, pretty good speeds. At 2G/3G you can't get voice and data at the same time (unless you have WiFi connected also), but that is a tech limitation.
The big problem with Verizon is as stated; They are lazy and shiftless, and don't push out updates until months after a provider has given them the ROM updates, and often never push them out. When they do, they send them back with requirements to bake in their bloatware apps and invasionary software before they will approved it and send it out. This is part of the reason for the Xperia Play R800x (the CDMA Verizon version), we are still on 2.3.3 and we can't even buy the PS1 games on the Android/Google-Play Market since those all require 2.3.4. We likely will _NEVER_ see an official update to ICS on the R800x. Further, bootloader unlocking on our CDMA units could be achieved the same way as GSM, but Verizon is cockblocking it through the company. So you have to use a hardware test unit to generate the codes, which cost about US$15+ in credits to do for each phone.
Sooooo, yeah. US CDMA Play owners are very likely on Verizon, and very likely annoyed in general with their provider.
Shaun27 said:
verizon is a phone company in america I think and from comments on here they are useless and fill there updates to the brim with bloatware before they push them out ,don't quot me on that as I'm in the U.K to
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Don't forget they removed several apps. I wouldn't doubt this is why were still stuck on 2.3.3. Verizons bussy messing up the next update before they can release it.
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Shaun27 said:
verizon is a phone company in america I think and from comments on here they are useless and fill there updates to the brim with bloatware before they push them out ,don't quot me on that as I'm in the U.K to
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you are correct on all counts sir. verizon sucks... unfortunately i did not realize this until AFTER i signed a 2 year contract with them
Can you hear me now?
Trololololol
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Playing is funnier
It hurts me to watch
Thewonderboy said:
Playing is funnier
It hurts me to watch
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LOL, its ok
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poor play
My favorite comment was "if you destroy such modern devices where other humans cry for something to eat every day...you´re a really stupid pothead! No brain,No Game for you!"
^^^This^^^
I kept hoping someone would intervene and save the poor Play, it did nothing to deserve such a fate.
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My favorite comment was "if you destroy such modern devices where other humans cry for something to eat every day...you´re a really stupid pothead! No brain,No Game for you!"
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Totally agree.
Unfortunately the world is full of idiots... And of people who open threads to give him attention.
He wasn't donating money anytime soon anyways.. Him buying the play in the first place stimulated the economy and helped a lot of people... Think of it that way lol
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Deoxlar said:
He wasn't donating money anytime soon anyways.. Him buying the play in the first place stimulated the economy and helped a lot of people... Think of it that way lol
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Blowing up an old factory and building a new one will provide temporary economic benefit at long term cost, and only a very slight increase in production. Building a new factory adjacent will provide economic benefit during building, and double production, creating long term economic gain.
Basic economic sense (Then again, people think Reagonomic works, heh)
Basically. send your phone off to be recycled or give it to someone without a phone, dont destroy it!
Related
If true...
http://phandroid.com/2011/04/04/developer-troubled-times-ahead-for-anyone-who-roots/
Oh and where's the tags that the mods add in on My threads about my girl blowing everyone lol I'm still waiting haaaaa update there it is
Oh nooooooeeessss!!!
Sigh.
This really makes me want to just use a laptop for a phone now.
At least I can do what I want with my laptop's data connection.
WTF!??
10char
f***
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
this is me forgetting to thank you.
drmacinyasha said:
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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ok, this is the kinda stuff where either google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the fcc needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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I agree this is total B.S.
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I will never buy a phone from a carrier that implements this crap
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No one should, the consumers run this together we can boycott any carrier who does this dictatorship bull****, I pledge I will not support any carrier who does this.
I'd rather take my evo and flash to cricket
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drmacinyasha said:
OK, this is the kinda stuff where either Google needs to get its balls back and *****-slap the carriers, or the FCC needs to actually step in to protect customers.
Either way, it's bull****. Screw Verizon and every other carrier that does this.
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This brought tears to my eyes.
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Eff that. I will not buy a phone like that... If I have to go back to dumbphones... Then so be it.
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It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
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It will never happen. The backlash would just be too much to handle.
And if manufacturers were to begin implementing these types of lockdowns, you know for a fact that they'll just be hacked around sooner or later.
Hello? We are discussing this on XDA... Home to undoubtedly the best group of white hat device hackers I've seen.
We all assume risk when rooting our devices and given the more open nature of Android, there's always the concern that some application will start stealing your data. It's a risk I'm willing to take and I'm sure most everyone else here as well.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
It may be time to dust off my Razr.
Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Here's the problem with what you stated, the percentage of users rooted compared to non rooted, well are not even close, if they did lock out every new phone with master keys that we would never be able to figure out, well it could happen. Even if they did lose every rooted users support financially, they would still have more than 95 percent of their profiT, that's my fear, it'll hurt but not if sprint, Verizon, etc pays the difference or that kind of sort of thing. For example to make it easy, say all rooted user cause 600,000 in lost profit for sprint that they could have potentially gained, well HTC goes hey well lock the device but we want the difference from the users like us who will not purchase the phone. Anyway that's my take on it, enlighten me with your guys thoughts
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I've heard the "rooted users are the extreme minority" comment countless times, and all logic says it really must be true.
However, when I go to the market, click apps, then all applications, then click top paid, 3 of the top 5 require root. As an honest question, are my market results tailored for my usage history or is that the same "top paid" list everyone sees? If it is indeed the same for everyone then it becomes much harder to quantify rooted users being in the minority.
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Carriers get smart, devs get smarter......lets not jump the gun and worry about this nonsense now. I will enjoy my rooted phone for now. If this does go down those of you saying you will go to "dumbphones" are full of it. Even if these phones are locked down tighter than a 17 year old girls tuna you will still use it. I see the future as phones will be so fast why would you need to root; I love to root, I've been rooting ALL my phones since g1 and the sole purpose was the speed my phone up. Dual core phone no root ehh who cares. I will NOT use a free phone just because these phones in the future will possibly be locked. One can only hope this security doesn't see light but if it does I'm sure we'll be ok.
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Completely agree about the smartphone part but do not about the master key part, it would take years like 75 - 100 if the key is properly secure for many and I mean many super computers to solve that algorithm...look at the droids, the only reason on a side note the ps3 master key was released was because the people who secured it messed up in the formula, and that still took 5 years..
the consequence would never be the same.
Thanks so much for providing feedback, we hear your concerns. Your satisfaction is a top priority for us and we're working hard to ensure you have great experiences with our phones. We're reviewing the issue and our policy around bootloaders and will provide more information soon. Thank you for your interest, support and willingness to share your feedback.
https://www.facebook.com/notes/htc/update-on-bootloaders/10150305151453084
Yeah just read that. Surprised they actually responded.
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so am i so am i
They should listen if they don't want their sales to plummet (im assuming the majority of consumers root their phone) Lol!
Well atleast they're listening. Probably wont accomplish anything but it doesn't hurt to voice your opinion. I know I wrote on the page 3 times
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i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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they may be listening, but thats probably it. Its already too late to do anything for the EVO3D unless HTC happens to "accidently" release the decryption key.
Yea. Too little too late
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i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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I am a little curious how it would affect them. I have no doubt that most of us loyal Evo users have pushed our friends and family to purchase HTC phones. My wife wanted the Epic but I urged her to get the Evo Shift due to the difference in quality and history of software updates. I have friends who now have the Evo because of my input.
I have to imagine that we do have the power to make a difference in HTC's sales but is it enough to matter to them?
Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.
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Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.
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Um... we can tether with root. Please educate yourself.
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Sprint will shut this effort down.
Unless people at HTC are geniuses and can quickly figure out a way to disable or limit tethering w/o locking the phone.
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Sprint is the ONLY carrier that is doing ANYTHING to support openness so I'm really not sure what in the world you're talking about.
This signed bootloader BS is pure HTC.
Just saw this. If they listen, I might get the 3D, otherwise its back to an iPhone, because really, what's the different without root? Not much.
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Sprint could care less whether you can hack tethering or not. They are pushing the air cards anyways. My account manager told me this today.
You guys act like HTC/Sprint need the dev community to stay afloat. Truth is we make up less than 1% of their sales and the only reason we are heard at all is because we put forth much more effort and have a lot more knowledge than the common user.
In all reality HTC can make a completely unlock-able/uncrackable boot loader and their sales will take absolutely no significant hit...It sucks, but it's reality and it's the way it is...
This is still very good news and i'm happy to hear that HTC is at least hearing us out, no matter how insignificant we may be...Or maybe they just realize that no matter what they do, our devs are better than theirs and can crack anything they try to lock in due time so the effort they put forth to lock us out isn't really worth it...
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i bet the bean counters are looking over whether or not pissing off the dev community will cause excessive loss on the consumer end...
if it doesnt affect the bottom line, htc wont do a thing
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most users dont root their phones.
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Sprint is the ONLY carrier that is doing ANYTHING to support openness so I'm really not sure what in the world you're talking about.
This signed bootloader BS is pure HTC.
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sprint does not condone rooting.
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You guys act like HTC/Sprint need the dev community to stay afloat. Truth is we make up less than 1% of their sales and the only reason we are heard at all is because we put forth much more effort and have a lot more knowledge than the common user.
In all reality HTC can make a completely unlock-able/uncrackable boot loader and their sales will take absolutely no significant hit...It sucks, but it's reality and it's the way it is...
This is still very good news and i'm happy to hear that HTC is at least hearing us out, no matter how insignificant we may be...Or maybe they just realize that no matter what they do, our devs are better than theirs and can crack anything they try to lock in due time so the effort they put forth to lock us out isn't really worth it...
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Might as well expand your consumer base as much as you can. The other 99% who don't root their phones don't really care if the bootloader is locked or not. With an easily unlockable bootloader, that 1% that does root their phones can grow. Devs are smart, and HTC could take some hints from them.
they may change their bootloader policy in future phones, not the 3d which is about ready to ship.
Yeah, their response is stock customer service response..
of COURSE their listening. Of COURSE they're considering. Of COURSE they care.
I think, I KNOW... there is absolutely ZERO chance they will change their course of action publicly.
It might however increase the chance of some leak happening tho......pleeaase!
I have been told, (not blaming sprint employees, you guys didn't lie to or deceive anyone), and have participated in telling others that Sprint supports rooters. This change was a huge blow that was unexpected and I no longer consider Sprint as great of a carrier as I thought they were.
I got into an argument with another user over Sprint's official tolerance to users with rooted phones as posted on this site. The other user however pointed me to this website.
What's important is quoted here
SprintTOS said:
Our Right To Suspend Or Terminate Services
We can, without notice, suspend or terminate any Service at any time for any reason. For example, we can suspend or terminate any Service for the following: (a) late payment; (b) exceeding an Account Spending Limit; (c) harassing/threatening/abusing/offending our employees or agents; (d) providing false or inaccurate information; (e) interfering with our operations; (f) using/suspicion of using Services in any manner restricted by or inconsistent with the Agreement and Policies; (g) breaching, failing to follow, or abusing the Agreement or Policies; (h) providing false, inaccurate, dated, or unverifiable identification or credit information or becoming insolvent or bankrupt; (i) modifying a Device from its manufacturer specifications (for example, rooting the device); (j) failing to use our Services for an extended period of time; (k) failing to maintain an active Device in connection with our Services; or (l) if we believe the action protects our interests, any customer's interests, or our networks.
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This is verbatim from the Terms of Service which take effect on 9/9/2011. This is the most disappointing thing I've read all week.
Edit: edited portion in which I appear to blame sprint employees. I appreciate you guys and I'm sorry it got worded that way. I have an issue with overreacting to bad news. I appreciate what you guys do for us.
Lol. They can but won't.
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Overstew said:
Lol. They can but won't.
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I don't know if they will or won't. The user I argued with said this was a recent change.
Edit: sorry to be so confrontational
I don't think they really care enough I think they might do it if you have something against them like hotspots hacks. I don't think just root would make them do this, there's been to many people going to stores and having root and them not caring
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Wow... they'll just drive people straight to T-Mobile.
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I don't think they really care enough I think they might do it if you have something against them like hotspots hacks. I don't think just root would make them do this, there's been to many people going to stores and having root and them not caring
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This change is recent and not in effect until 9/9/11. Who knows what the defacto situation will be in a month or two.
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This change is recent and not in effect until 9/9/11. Who knows what the defacto situation will be in a month or two.
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Yeah true but they'll have alot of accounts closed and alot of them will. Just go to anouther carrier, like I would flash my epic to anouther one,so they would lose way to much money and might not do it. Also they might not care about devices theyleft behind like the good ol hero and soon to be epic and evo, so all we can do is call and text to see if it works lol
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(m) You have red hair our favorite sports team lost last night (o) you just don't hang out with us as much as you used to.
They're just saying they can terminate for any reason, which I'm sure was always the case. They only listed things to cover their ass if anyone complains about it.
They aren't going to, not to mention every single rom I've ever installed comes with a laundry list of warnings/ramifications. Granted those are generally phone/warranty based, and not plan based, but it's fair to say we all realize we're not doing something our carriers would be overjoyed about.
Your only reason to be concerned here is that IF they terminate for some unlisted reason, like you download so much you're costing them money as a customer, they can cite "rooted phone" as "the" reason. (Or at least a "you can't complain" reason, since it was clearly listed. Ultimately they don't owe a reason at all.)
There's largely nothing to see here. My brother has an at&t phone. Rooted apps are hidden in the market, and side loading apps is disabled without root. Sprint isn't doing anything meaningful in the "anti-root" dept.
I'm sure that's in the old t&s also. Just cya wording.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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I think you're right. I don't understand why they care since we own the dam phones anyways.
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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Even so, this official policy is unacceptable. Terminating insurance and warranties make sense. Terminating service is unnecessary and a stab in the back.
I remember when people used to say sprint would never terminate anyone for roaming. This was largely because until late last year and early this year they didn't. Guess what? They certainly do now. For rooting it's only a matter of time.
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Even so, this official policy is unacceptable. Terminating insurance and warranties make sense. Terminating service is unnecessary and a stab in the back.
I remember when people used to say sprint would never terminate anyone for roaming. This was largely because until late last year and early this year they didn't. Guess what? They certainly do now. For rooting it's only a matter of time.
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Right, but if they do they do. They can tell you to take a hike for ANY reason, always could, always will be able to. Nothing actually changed here, in that regard.
Terminating service makes more sense than anything. The whole point of rooting is to use the phones in a manner Sprint didn't sign on for. Thousands of people using root access to bypass their paid service to tether your phone to wifi devices "hurts" them way more than the few bucks they're out for handing someone who's been paying insurance for a year and a half a refurb after bricking their devices. You're almost certainly going to do something that legitimately breaches the TOS before you do something that has any effect on the warranty. It's way more a trumped up, lame, get of of jail free, card on the insurance/warranty than it is the service. What does a busted camera button have to do with rooting?
Edit: Put it this way. I own a business, I draw attention to the fact that I can fire you for any reason, and I post a list of a few of the things you're not supposed to do. Personal calls, eating at your desk, playing games, etc. That ISN'T saying "I'm going to fire you for making a personal call." All it's saying is don't come crying about how we fired you because we didn't like your nationality, when you habitually violated rules I laid out.
I mean, honestly, I find it hard to believe you're outraged over a meaningless word change, which is tantamount to adding "Altering your device so it can literally steal from us" to a standing "We can tell you to scram for ANY reason" line.
Edit Again: And I'm sure someone somewhere will claim they were terminated JUST for rooting. That doesn't make it true, and it wouldn't mean it's going to start happening all over. We all know we're doing something we aren't supposed to be which, best case, Sprint looks the other way on. If they wanted to stop looking the other way, that's their prerogative. It's their network.
People aren't being kicked "for roaming" they're being kicked because they're almost never not roaming. In some cases because they moved, in other cases because they never should have been Sprint customers in the first place (and might have even misrepresented something to get the deal they wanted). This is a pretty well known clause.
If sprint booted rooters they would essentially lose I'm sure at least 50% of their current business, which might not be so great if they expect to make things like... idk... profit?
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If sprint booted rooters they would essentially lose I'm sure at least 50% of their current business, which might not be so great if they expect to make things like... idk... profit?
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Id say more like 15-20% and growing as awarness of root grows, that # might be inflated aswell, but I'm optimistic
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If you aren't harming the network and are paying the bills I doubt they would cut you off.
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This right here. The agreement is there as a "just in case" scenario. If you're tethering or using abnormal amounts of data, resulting in slowing neighbors using the same tower down, then this gives them the right to terminate your service. I'm sure they'll send you a note before jumping to conclusions, though.
I pull at least 15-20gb a month. And my second line is on pandora nearly 24/7. Never heard a peep from sprint about it.
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I have a feeling what they're concerned about is the same thing the other carriers are concerned about. Rather than make us pay for tiered data, they make it known that if you sit at home using your phone as your only source of internet without paying the 30 bucks a month for hotspot service, downloading movies from netflix all day pulling down 500gb or so in a month, they'll check to see if you're rooted. There are a handful of people pulling down hundreds of gb of data from their phone without paying the fee, and that's just wildly unrealistic for just phone use, and takes bandwidth from the rest of us, slowing down speeds.
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I have a feeling what they're concerned about is the same thing the other carriers are concerned about. Rather than make us pay for tiered data, they make it known that if you sit at home using your phone as your only source of internet without paying the 30 bucks a month for hotspot service, downloading movies from netflix all day pulling down 500gb or so in a month, they'll check to see if you're rooted. There are a handful of people pulling down hundreds of gb of data from their phone without paying the fee, and that's just wildly unrealistic for just phone use, and takes bandwidth from the rest of us, slowing down speeds.
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Why not just add the plan for tethering instead of termination? I know I only tether once in a blue moon and for me root is much more than just tethering. It's voodoo sound to make music clearer, it's roam control to get my calls through, it's titanium backup to backup and restore my data and above all it's my key to taking full control of what's rightfully mine.
There is a little secret many of you have forgotten.
Unauthorized tethering doesn't need root. PDAnet works on unrooted phones.
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Subject says it all... let me know what you think!
http://s4gru.spruz.com/pt/Will-it-s...ilbreak-or-MOD-your-personal-devices/blog.htm
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The funny thing is that is Apple is the one crying about it. I don't think it will affect us since Google is open source. And with the nexus line these phones are considered" developer phones" so I don't think it will affect the Android community.
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Screw apple. Now that steve jobs is gone, I hope they crumble as a company. He was the power source that brought them such big business and now they're crying about every little thing android does. Waaa waa cry us a river. Oh, and its illegal to do a lot of things. We'll keep doing them if it makes us feel good.
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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
It's useless to try and legally ban people from customizing the tech they own. If governments/corporations try, they'll fail and only harm themselves.
That would have to reverse the supreme court ruling that once purchased we can do what we want with our device. This was a suit for the PS3. Sony still had the right to deny services but could do no legal action on modded PS3s. The same will stand for our phones. The worst that could happen is a clause is added to our contracts giving the carrier the right to refuse service to rooted devices.
I Hope your wrong about the phone service
Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.
I really don't think it will effect us I been hacking before the bill passed an I will b if I don't get exstented, nothing changed really I don't think. I'm more worried about sopa
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Still, being able to deny service would suck considering the only reason why I rooted my device to begin with was for the WiFi Hack. However, if any one out there know answer me this. How would sprint or another service provider figure out that your phone is rooted? From a noobs point of view I see no way of them finding out anything unless they sell you a phone that's bugged. But if you think about it for you window 7 users out there, windows gives the option to install a bug that determines if your windows is genuine but does not come preinstalled.
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Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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Google knows every app on your phone. If you have 1 app for rooted phones then you are probably rooted. Sprint can ping your phone and get the kernel, firmware and baseband you are running. If it doesn't show stock numbers, they know you are rooted.
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They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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txtmikhail said:
Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Assuming you can do it all on your own and don't require any outside information or collaboration then technically nobody will stop you or likely even know. However if this decision does expire and it becomes a potential crime then you will see a lot less innovation.
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They don't care because half ifnot moe of the Android community is rooted, what's pathetic is there people who work for sprint and othr cariers are rooted. But then you have some assholes who think they know it all and don't care if you rooted your denied.
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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted. I mean, think of all the 40+ year olds that have android phones and hardly know how to use a touch screen, let alone anything about root. It may appear that way considering we're on this forum together or the friends you have, but I assure you, that number is probably much, much closer to 5-10% if that. Even that's a stretch. Doesn't android have like 300,000 activations per day going or something like that? There is no way half those people are rooting their phones.
Back on topic, the carrier can certainly check to see what's running on your phone as kenny (I think) posted previously. Also as stated above, I don't think this is anything to worry about as there has already been a precendent set about making it illegal. Carriers denying service to your handset knowing it's rooted is another topic though.
See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?
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If you're referring to the 'Android community' as the 'Android userbase' then I think you're WAY off. Not a chance 50% of the people with an Android phone are rooted.
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I fully agree. While all 4 of my Android phones are rooted, over the couple dozen people I know that have Androids, only 1 other person has rooted their phone.
Well this sucks..... if of course it passes anyways
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See, I remember when competition was about innovation, and if you wanted to keep yourself in business, the best way was to make something revolutionary. If Apple wants to keep itself in business, at least in the mobile market where they make the majority of income, they need to out innovate Android. Naysaying, and saying this is infringing on something, is not innovation. I mean the lockscreen is one thing that gets me, on Google it goes two ways, Google INNOVATED better then Apple, yet that is what they sue them for. Really?
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Its sad how true this is. Before apple would just do their own thing, creating their products like the Ipod, not caring about what other MP3 devises may be out there. They just made it better. Now they get upset that the idea they stole has been modified and used by google... give me a F* break. end rant
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Well i dont think it gonna pass and if it does who is gonna stop me from rooting/hacking my own sh*t..
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Your comment makes sense none.
There's nothing to pass. This is about an existing law/exemption permitting smartphone hacking to expire.
Personally, I could care less. Samsung isn't going to sue us (though Sprint could), and Samsung already has open bootloaders.
The folks that should be worried are iPhone hackers. Apple will sue them into oblivion, and shoot themselves in the process.
I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.
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I dont think they would go after the users, but they would go after source of information. Eitherway i dont like it. our devices we buy, should be for us to do as we please. i dont like restrictions, goverment should focus on other things more important than to stop innovation for the sake of companies profit. And companies should concentrate on putting quality products out there.
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Agree 100%! Once you buy a device it is yours to do what you please with it! If you want to risk bricking it or voiding the warranty, that should be your prerogative and nobody should be able to tell you otherwise! No matter if its a windows phone, iphone, or android you should be able to do as you please once you own the device...
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if i can buy a phone and smash it to the ground into a million little pieces just because, with no repercussion, i should be able to mod the software with out any problems as well.
Exemption Legalizing Rooting And Jailbreaking Will Expire, Let’s Petition To Renew It!
Saw THIS article in the XDA portal. I thought it would be in everybody's best interest to check it out. Basically is that the exemption that allows us to legally Root, modify, Hack, or whatever ours phones is going to be Expire SOON. If we don't act it could quite possibly become illegal to Root your own phone. So guys I really think you should check the links out. I believe the deadline is Feb. 10th. Come on guys protect your rights.
Exemption Legalizing Rooting And Jailbreaking Will Expire, Let’s Petition To Renew It!
Submit a comment to the US Copyright Office
SIGN THE PETITION
If that kind of crap passes we all just need to boycott the big boys. That's just a bunch of bulls**t.
Like I've said before. If we don't stand up and be counted, they will slowly take all our rights.
If android is open source then we should be okay if the law passes? I can see it affecting apple which I don't care cause I will never own one of there products
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YoungCorruptionV2.0 said:
If android is open source then we should be okay if the law passes? I can see it affecting apple which I don't care cause I will never own one of there products
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Android (A.O.S.P.) may be open source but sense, motoblur, touchwiz, and any other manufacturers ui are all closed source builds... If those companies want to be dicks they can say we are messing with copyrights...
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This is why I hate the united states government I mean really we should stand against them, they don't own us or anything we buy, I hate the fact that the ONLY reason we have a "free country" is they can't touch amendment #2 and I think its about time we take our country back, the government does absolutely nothing but screw us....I could go on all day about that things I literally hate about our government and the funny thing is I can't think of one thing I appreciate from them...and im going to stop it at that....I hope one big ass mistake amaerica reads this too, he knows who he is
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Oh geez, first sopa and now this bs. Honestly I don't care anymore. People were unlocking all types of phones (not just smartphones) before all of this even became legal. There were various hacking sites and guides that never got shut down...people never got arrested ect. They can't stop people from doing whatever the f*** they want to their own phones plain and simple. They can try but I don't think they'll get too far especially now that it's already been exempt once.
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Oh geez, first sopa and now this bs. Honestly I don't care anymore. People were unlocking all types of phones (not just smartphones) before all of this even became legal. There were various hacking sites and guides that never got shut down...people never got arrested ect. They can't stop people from doing whatever the f*** they want to their own phones plain and simple. They can try but I don't think they'll get too far especially now that it's already been exempt once.
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Technically, if you didnt outright buy the device, you are "renting" it... I hate to say it but if you look at your T.O.S. it's in there... Kinda sucks, but... What sprint doesnt know, wont hurt sprint...
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Yes but if you read the Bill Proposel in one of the links. They actually mean all phones. Which is kind of like telling you, that you can only paint the inside of your house White. Regardless if it's yours or not.
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Technically, if you didnt outright buy the device, you are "renting" it... I hate to say it but if you look at your T.O.S. it's in there... Kinda sucks, but... What sprint doesnt know, wont hurt sprint...
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Yeah, I remember the G1 days when a lot of people weren't use to rooting phones and the methods were a lot more difficult such as flashing your eng hboot in a crapy recovery. The brick risk was a lot higher then it is now and easier for people to turn their phones into a paperweight lol. Now days it seems a lot easier to root and if you have some issues to just unroot everything back to stock and your still covered in your T.O.S.
I can still remember when the FCC would not allow retailers to sell phones. They could only be rented from the phone company, and were those clunky square units with the front number pad (or rotary in some cases). Things really have not changed.
PS Before making your jokes about how old I must be, this really was not that long ago (I am younger than 35).
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I can still remember when the FCC would not allow retailers to sell phones. They could only be rented from the phone company, and were those clunky square units with the front number pad (or rotary in some cases). Things really have not changed.
PS Before making your jokes about how old I must be, this really was not that long ago (I am younger than 35).
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Im with ya... The nokia 910 was one of those old school phones, or what about the 6 inch thick moto flip phones (my very first cell phone ) I remember with the moto there wasn't even text messaging...
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all of the current legislation surounding the tech industry is crap lately. at least SOPA is done with (for now)
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