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How close are we to DD Gingerbread?

Firstly, I'd like to make the standard "I love our devs" statement. When I first purchased my Vibrant, I loved the hardware, and absolutely hated the software.
Freezing, glitching music, non functional GPS, you name it; a myriad of issues. Then I flashed my first ROM, and fell in love with it. You guys turn a very mediocre phone, into arguably one of the best phones available, including what's been released after.
This post is more out of curiosity than anything. I currently have Darkies 2.2.1 ROM and it runs like a dream-
How far are we, realistically speaking, to a stable Gingerbread ROM? I follow the current Gingerbread alpha rom threads, and it seems like they aren't making a whole lot of progress. I assume this is because of roadblocks? What is keeping us from moving forward with a Gingerbread rom? Do we need the source released?
Thanks guys.

CM7 beta is now out for the Vibrant. However, that's not what's got me the most excited. The i9000 has recently got a gingerbread ROM leaked from Samsung. This should mean we should see the forums flooded with gingerbread ROMs in the coming days/weeks as soon as somebody can port the kernel over to the vibrant.

i'd say the cm7 is dd-able. no gps is the only real problem i've had, which isn't enough for me to go back to nongingerbread. the external sd doesn't mount, either, but i never used it anyway.... otherwise, sound works, haven't had a problem with data/calls/reboots, camera and video recording work, etc.

funeralthirst said:
i'd say the cm7 is dd-able. no gps is the only real problem i've had, which isn't enough for me to go back to nongingerbread. the external sd doesn't mount, either, but i never used it anyway.... otherwise, sound works, haven't had a problem with data/calls/reboots, camera and video recording work, etc.
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I would go out on a limb here and say that this is pretty close...

It might be a while before it gets to be a care free DD. The whitehawx and CM iterations both work in theory but they are still pretty raw in terms of total useability.
I say give it a while and we'll see more true GB progress.
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Like I said, the leaked i9000 2.3.2 ROM should have a great effect on the 2.3 GB ROM dev community for the Vibrant.

CM7 is my dd right now, and it actually seems more stable than any other rom I've tried (I had reboots and lockups with bionix when using gps). The tower-based location isn't as accurate as real gps, but is good enough for pulling up directions most of the time. Gps is also supposedly fixed on github, but I think they were saying to hold off on flashing anything from github until they get some issue with the new touchkey driver sorted out.

What are the benefits of GB over Froyo as a daily driver at this point. From what I've read, there's not likely to be any significant performance increase and most of the new features are minor. Other than the cosmetic differences, what's so bad about being stuck on Froyo?

Shrivel said:
What are the benefits of GB over Froyo as a daily driver at this point. From what I've read, there's not likely to be any significant performance increase and most of the new features are minor. Other than the cosmetic differences, what's so bad about being stuck on Froyo?
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nothing is bad about being stuck on froyo. i thought people making a big deal about the lock screen animation were being ridiculous, but it really is damn cool. it's just the little things like that, just like it's the little things that make you like a certain rom over another.
that, and 'why not'? they keep making new versions, and we'll keep finding a way to get it on our phones.

i went on i9000 forum and flashed insanity 7.1 gingerbread and it ran fine ...makes me thin we are soooo colse to get it on vibrant hmmmm i say two more weeks ......thats what methink.

bartek25 said:
i went on i9000 forum and flashed insanity 7.1 gingerbread and it ran fine ...makes me thin we are soooo colse to get it on vibrant hmmmm i say two more weeks ......thats what methink.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=976318
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Best Epic Rom? (In your opinion)

Hello fellow XDA members. I have become obsessed with flashing Roms lately so I wanted to start this thread to figure out which Rom to flash next for my Epic.
So here is my question, What is the Best Rom in your opinion and why? It can be any Epic rom and for any reason(stable, fast, battery life, etc) The more reasons the better. So answer below and we can have a good discussion of this as well. I am not trying to promote or put down any Roms this is just for my use, and perhaps others that don't know which one to use next. I will probably start a poll soon too.

If you like flashing so much, just try them all, stay with one for a while and keep the one you like the most... not everyone has the same experiences with ROMs and peoples opinions differ. Just try them yourself.

Darkshneider said:
If you like flashing so much, just try them all, stay with one for a while and keep the one you like the most... not everyone has the same experiences with ROMs and peoples opinions differ. Just try them yourself.
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I know that, and I plan to do so. I just figured this would be a good discussion thread, for the general discussion thread.
The opinions of the users matter when it comes to Roms. So I thought it would be nice for a place to compare and contrast what each Roms are missing and what they are bringing to the table.

Personally i like syndicates frozen rom with impalers keyboard patch but then love midnights byor because its empty of bull**** pretty much but find bonsai to be effiecient so its hard to really choose between them all and with the right kernel but right now im running syndicates 1.1.0 with visionkernel 1.4ghz setup
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I like ACS myself.

*in my best dj khali voice* We takin over......
We can't tell you witch is best. They all have there pros and cons. Flash them all to you find what suites your needs.
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I was like u once.. got home from work and flashed a new theme and/or rom almost every day. Then I flashed syndicaterom frozen 1.1.0
I haven't flashed a thing in 3+ weeks.. because I haven't had a single issue. Its like this is the rom my phone was built to run
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Stock.
It's stable. Battery life is good after removing bloat, freezing DRM, and deleting SNS.

FROZEN 1.1. works for me.. Tried the others, but find this to be the best for me.
Not only is the ROM top notch, but it has the best support out there. Those guys are right on it when someone has a problem, and they show such patience when dealing with the same question for the 1000th time..

SyndicateRom Frozen version 1.0.2.
I run the old version because it seems to run faster, and I have less problems with it. (please don't respond and tell me how I'm wrong and/or how to fix it. I am so incredibly happy with 1.0.2 that I will likely never change to a different froyo rom.)

+1 for ACS. I thought I was happy on Bonsai, then I started seeing more themes for ACS rather than Bonsai so I switched and haven't looked back. Better battery life and easy auto-backup/restore are my main points.
The one con is I'm no longer stable at 100mhz. Hoping a kernal update will fix this soon.
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I like ACS syndicate as well and is what I am running.
Also Bonsai 4 is good, use one of those 2.
ACS doesn't have both wired & wireless tether working really, but is supposed to next version.
Force

Bonsai!
Its been the most stable, great speed, everything seems smooth, and it back ups data.
I love it!

I'm done with roms...back when I was on stock EB13 with a few modifications, (Ext4, custom kernal, overclocked) my phone was running BEAUTIFULLY. No issues at all whatsoever. Then I got convinced to flash a custom ROM when EC05 dropped. So I did it. I've tried Syndicate, Midnight and Viper and none of which ran as smoothly as my stock phone with a few modifications. Syndicate gave me FC's left and right, all day and all night. I tried wiping and reflashing several times...no dice...
Midnight gave me HORRIBLE battery life and random reboots. When I would press my power key to turn it off, my phone would freeze...then I would get a black screen with my keypad lit and the bottom touch buttons lit...but no option to turn my phone off. It would just vibrate periodically until I did a battery pull. I would then power the phone back up only to be introduced to the Setup Wizard each time and forced to log into my gmail. Again...I tried wipes and reflashing. That helped the setup wizard issue...but not the power down issue or the random reboots.
Viper...battery life was better. But the lag seemed too severe to justify after I had been spoiled on FLAWLESS performance.
So I plan on going back to EC05...completely stock and do my own thing from there. I've had nothing but bad luck on the custom ROM scene. I greatly respect and appreciate everything the devs are doing...but the custom ROMS are just not for me. I depend on my phone too greatly to have these issues reoccuring.

I would have to agree I like syndicate rom frozen. I haven't tied many but I like this one. it's very stable. No force closes or anything .
Samsung Epic 4g

I have tried syndicate (still have my backup should I want to reflash) it was nice, but I am currently am using red beast and the genocide kernel and my phone is running smoother than I thought possible. syndicate is great, but this rom is great too, and soooo beautiful lol
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I really like baked snack 2.3

dsalman said:
I really like baked snack 2.3
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+1
Great battery life, no crackling sound, really fastt.
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Another for Bonsai 4

Nebula has been a great and consistent rom through several releases. I will go back as soon as the ec05 version is ready. Testing out viper rom right now to see what eb13 is like, and thoroughly enjoying it. Pretty zippy and stable but seemed "bulky" with viper mods/addons out of the gate..... some are useful.

Nexus S 4g, are Roms worth the trouble?

Have a boss and a coworker who just picked up the Nexus S 4g...
Currently I've got an Epic that's got a real nice fast stable ROM on it, so I didn't opt for the upgrade to the nexus, thinking I'd grab a dual core phone when one came out.
To the question: Boss and coworker are tech ppl, do you think it's worth it to upgrade them to different roms? Cyanogen would be what I went with. However, the whole reason this was required on the Epic was because of the awful job sprint and samsung did with it. With this being a pure google phone it seems to be nice and fast right out of the box. I noticed the GPS is a bit weak, I guess that's normal for samsung crap?
Anyway, what do you think? Keep in mind they aren't going to be happy if their phone breaks on a friday/sat/sun/worknight/vacation because I put a ROM on it.
Would you do it? Or just Root them and leave it stock?

I'd just leave their phone stock. It's your boss / co-worker, rooting your phone requires maintenance. The current CM7 stable is running Android 2.3.3, the nightlies are on 2.3.4. 2.3.4 is far more faster. Nightlies are stable, but a few bugs need to be tweaked out.
Besides, I wouldn't do it on my bosses' phone. Anything goes "wrong," its your fault.

I would try openSoju its fast and incredibly stable. Not a huge improvement from stock though.

so there isnt a huge upgrade from stock? what are the differences?
Like I said I know on the epic, it was speed, gps actually worked, etc.

J3ff said:
so there isnt a huge upgrade from stock? what are the differences?
Like I said I know on the epic, it was speed, gps actually worked, etc.
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+ Extra Speed (Yeah NS is fast.. but even faster when you mod it)
+ Custom Kernel (This is the huge one)
... Voodoo Color
... Voodoo Sound
... and more (visit a kernel thread for its full features)
+ Notification bar widget (your pull down.. those buttons, they're customizable)
+ Music Control on lock screen
+ Lock screen mods
basically everything. go do your own homework on these ROMs. everything is right there. I don't want to just paraphrase what is already said. Just go to the dev forum and look for yourself.
I personally wouldn't mess with their phones because its their phones. They should decide for themselves.
Rooting and flashing ROMs requires maintenance. If you don't flash a newer version a bug can mess with your phone from causing it to be a day to day thing. What if a new OTA comes? You'd have to update their phone (or themselves if they even know how to).
Basically, if you root their phone. Their phone's responsibility is built upon you. If you want that burden then you can root it and do that, but I personally don't want that. Up to you.

I would root their phones, just to do it ;D
I would also leave it stock, other than netarchy kernel. Thats the setup that I always go back to, very solid, fast as hell at 1.2ghz, and no maintenance or issues to worry about. The NS4G is very fast out of box, but I still notice a few hang ups opening and closing certain apps with the stock kernel. The netarchy kernel makes that stuff almost non-existent. Plus, if you say they are tech people, they will like the options being rooted adds to it. Just my thoughts...

yes I already rooted them for them.
I was just wondering if it's worth a custom rom/kernal.
Maybe I'll throw a kernal on the bosses phone... he'd notice the difference

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I'd just leave their phone stock. It's your boss / co-worker, rooting your phone requires maintenance. The current CM7 stable is running Android 2.3.3, the nightlies are on 2.3.4. 2.3.4 is far more faster. Nightlies are stable, but a few bugs need to be tweaked out.
Besides, I wouldn't do it on my bosses' phone. Anything goes "wrong," its your fault.
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FYI, there is no CM7 stable for the NS4G. The nightlies use 2.3.4, which is all the NS4G ever had.

Well if you're already rooted, you're already committed to maintenance when it comes to new software releases.
Install a new kernel on there and add BLN Control. That's really all you need to do.

Flash mikyinids deodex rom you'll get the netarchy kernel and the option to theme or add on things like the quick panel yet keep the is stock.
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Two options in my mind:
1. Keep it stock but rooted and flash a custom kernel for voodoo +BLN.
2. Flash MIUI.
MIUI is a little buggy, has no WiMax, requires maintenance and constant flashing so I'd stick with #1.
Sent from my Nexus S 4G using Tapatalk

I'd do flash a kernel and install setcpu and adfree. I've tried every ROM out there and always go back to stock. I have yet to try a ROM that works 100%. This google ROM just works.
This phone isn't like others, we don't have bloatware that needs to be removed.

On CM7 nightly 17 w/ netarchy kernel and running UV voltages and everything has been super stable for me. I use my phone for work.. lots of voice, email and texting and never had a crash or anything. The only weirdness is with voodoo color when I unlock the phone. Another weird thing is the lag when I use the dialer with a BT headset. other than that everything works great.

eagercrow said:
I'd do flash a kernel and install setcpu and adfree. I've tried every ROM out there and always go back to stock. I have yet to try a ROM that works 100%. This google ROM just works.
This phone isn't like others, we don't have bloatware that needs to be removed.
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I fully concur.

2.2 > 2.3

I have used CM7 and TW quite a bit in my day. What I've noticed is that while CM7 is very snappy TW is not that bad on its own. Why would I prefer 2.2 then? Simply put CM7 is a beta. Nothing more nothing less.
At first the data going out and phantom button presses (the LED buttons act like they've been physically pressed by you) weren't a big deal. But after some time it became a huge hassle pulling the battery often so that I could sync data. When the phantom button presses went berserk it was impossible to use the phone. GPS has always been a sore spot on the Fascinate. On TW it doesn't always lock immediately but does within a minute. On CM7 it would typically take 15+ min if it ever did lock. Battery life is not that great on the AOSP hack. Uptime is 6h11m at 87% battery using UKB v2.1 (ED01 2.2 Froyo).
CM7 is awesome despite these shortcomings. It's awesome that jt is making this for our phones. I am merely writing something that I wish I would've been able to read when I first tried CyanogenMod for the Fascinate. I have a Motorola Droid with CM7. It's really nice and I believe this to be b/c it's been on there much longer than the Fascinate. I hope in time CM7 becomes stable enough for every day use.

cool story bro

Title should be 2.2>CM7, at the moment anyway.

AuroEdge said:
I have used CM7 and TW quite a bit in my day. What I've noticed is that while CM7 is very snappy TW is not that bad on its own. Why would I prefer 2.2 then? Simply put CM7 is a beta. Nothing more nothing less.
At first the data going out and phantom button presses (the LED buttons act like they've been physically pressed by you) weren't a big deal. But after some time it became a huge hassle pulling the battery often so that I could sync data. When the phantom button presses went berserk it was impossible to use the phone. GPS has always been a sore spot on the Fascinate. On TW it doesn't always lock immediately but does within a minute. On CM7 it would typically take 15+ min if it ever did lock. Battery life is not that great on the AOSP hack. Uptime is 6h11m at 87% battery using UKB v2.1 (ED01 2.2 Froyo).
CM7 is awesome despite these shortcomings. It's awesome that jt is making this for our phones. I am merely writing something that I wish I would've been able to read when I first tried CyanogenMod for the Fascinate. I have a Motorola Droid with CM7. It's really nice and I believe this to be b/c it's been on there much longer than the Fascinate. I hope in time CM7 becomes stable enough for every day use.
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/me slaps AuroEdge for this Blasphemy

Hey! Remember 2.1? lolololololol

Skrazz said:
Hey! Remember 2.1? lolololololol
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yea, I suppose that pretty soon people are gonna start saying that 2.1 was better than the AOSP GB roms we have now as well. Douchebags

I actually get better GPS on the AOSP roms. I've moved back to TW until I'm sure the SD card issues are resolved, but AOSP was much better for me other than that.
I think the take away here is that no single solution works best for every person or phone.

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yea, I suppose that pretty soon people are gonna start saying that 2.1 was better than the AOSP GB roms we have now as well. Douchebags
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That's quite a leap.

I picked 2.2 > 2.3 instead of 2.2 > CM7 because both have/had a way of messing up sd cards.

Im sorry but the latest MIUI Fascinatemtd rom is pretty much the greatest experience I have ever had on a phone and it is GB based. I haven't had one problem with it yet(fingers crossed).

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I picked 2.2 > 2.3 instead of 2.2 > CM7 because both have/had a way of messing up sd cards.
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2.2 on the fascinate was an epic FAIL. We waited FOREVER for froyo source to drop and when it did, it was so crappy that it fixed/improved NOTHING on AOSP. If it wasn't for fascinatemtd, I wouldn't even have a fascinate still. Thank you jt1134. Oh, and FYI, the SD card issue has been resolved for about a week now. /me still slaps AuroEdge for saying TW is better than mtd.
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If/when official GB comes out for our phone, it could quite possibly help jt1134 fix the remaining issues with CM7, as some of it are just slight changes in the kernel that need fixed to make things work, but what is available for Froyo doesn't help, nor does what is currently available for GB. Will everything be magically fixed with GB? Probably not, but it could help fix the minor issues that are still there.

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2.2 on the fascinate was an epic FAIL. We waited FOREVER for froyo source to drop and when it did, it was so crappy that it fixed/improved NOTHING on AOSP. If it wasn't for fascinatemtd, I wouldn't even have a fascinate still. Thank you jt1134. Oh, and FYI, the SD card issue has been resolved for about a week now. /me still slaps AuroEdge for saying TW is better than mtd.
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I'd be back on VGB in a heartbeat if anyone could verify that the SD card issues are fixed. I've seen it claimed a couple places, but never with any justification presented. There's a report just up on RW of an SD failure on the latest version. Of course the report may be attributable to user error, but I'd feel better about it if someone could actually point to the fix rather than just claim everything is ok.

I've been excited for what possibilities lie in wait for CM7. Especially if this new v2.3 leak is real and useful. I really like CM7.

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I'd be back on VGB in a heartbeat if anyone could verify that the SD card issues are fixed. I've seen it claimed a couple places, but never with any justification presented. There's a report just up on RW of an SD failure on the latest version. Of course the report may be attributable to user error, but I'd feel better about it if someone could actually point to the fix rather than just claim everything is ok.
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There were two changes that Jt made to his kernel a couple of weeks ago that were causing the SD card issues. Jt identified these particular changes and has IN FACT reverted both of these commits. The kernel is now safe and so is your SD card. I've been on vgb/pool party for about two weeks straight now, no SD card issues.
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kidserious said:
There were two changes that Jt made to his kernel a couple of weeks ago that were causing the SD card issues. Jt identified these particular changes and has IN FACT reverted both of these commits. The kernel is now safe and so is your SD card. I've been on vgb/pool party for about two weeks straight now, no SD card issues.
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Hmm, I've been trying to keep up with his RW thread, but must have missed that post. I saw some mention of kernel changes in the CM7 thread, but nothing specific to the SD card issue. Not saying you're wrong, just pointing out why I'm concerned.
What do you make of the reported SD failure to mount in CWM on the newest VGB?

If you want to be 100% safe, just use glitch. It uses the froyo bootloader and is not a part of any of the issues to do with SD cards.
the vanilla kernel from JT is for pure speed but glitch gives some awesome things for tweaking performance like voodoo and undervolting/overclocking.

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If you want to be 100% safe, just use glitch. It uses the froyo bootloader and is not a part of any of the issues to do with SD cards.
the vanilla kernel from JT is for pure speed but glitch gives some awesome things for tweaking performance like voodoo and undervolting/overclocking.
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There have been SD failures using glitch. I love the kernel, but it isn't a cure in itself.

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There have been SD failures using glitch. I love the kernel, but it isn't a cure in itself.
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then they would be due to user error or some other unrelated thing.
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then they would be due to user error or some other unrelated thing.
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That's an interesting hypothesis, on what do you base it?

[Q] What is the Point of CyanogenMod

For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?

I think its that some people don't really care if things work perfectly or not. I personally got so fed up with CM7 that I went to CleanGB. They stopped working on CM7 a while ago and are now fixing up CM9. I'd love to see what CM9 is like, but I'll probably wait until at LEAST the betas begin if not the release candidate.
I think Cyanogenmod represents hope to people who own devices that are no longer supported by the manufacturer. That is why people may overlook a volume rocker not working perfectly. You gotta get Cyanogenmod devs a lot of credit. They do put out a damn good release with regards to what they are given to start with.

By far no... cyanogen is so popular its been recognized by Google amung others. The volume issue is a feature not a bug I don't own an evo but I put cyanogen on one for a friend and he loves it. What version did u use on the rvo I had a HTC glacier and now the sensation. Cm7 on glacier is solid asrock and cm9 on HTC sensation even it its beta stage is good enough for daily use did:u flash most up to date gapps? I honestly can't live without cm and I've tryed other rooms but I always come back to cm and I've rooted probably a dozen peoples phones with it and the response is always the same. "Its just soon much better, faster and easier to use and everything works its what I thought my phone was gonna be" I would recommend a custom kernel to go with cm7 as the included kernel is very basic (no non standard CPU governors etc) look for an overclocked and undeevolted kernel. It will help with battery life (more so with undervolted and ovrrclocked kernel as opposed to just overclocled as the undervolt one changes the voltage steps on the CPU as well as freq so even though your OC'd it still is using the same (or less) amount of power. Also try and get one with the smartass CPU governor as its like having CPU profiles like when screen is off it pilots mhtz to the min freq setting instead of just leaving it "on demand" feel free to pick my brain I want u to feel the joy that comes with using cyanogwn
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hammmy said:
For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?
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I don't want to sound mean or rude, but if you have problems with the small stuff then just go stock or the closest build of stability. GPA has always been terrible its Samsung for you. and for screen on times like that your not going to get that with a stock battery and also depends on your usage man.

muyoso said:
You gotta get Cyanogenmod devs a lot of credit. They do put out a damn good release with regards to what they are given to start with.
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Absolutely. I recognize that what they are trying to do is incredibly ambitious and a worthy goal.
XxLostSoulxX said:
I don't want to sound mean or rude, but if you have problems with the small stuff then just go stock or the closest build of stability. GPA has always been terrible its Samsung for you. and for screen on times like that your not going to get that with a stock battery and also depends on your usage man.
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No offense taken. The differential in expectations seems to be that no one bothers to mention the "small stuff", like GPS or buttons not working while they go on endlessly about how much faster the CPU will do, well, almost nothing worthwhile.
Also, the GPS not working was on the HTC using CM7--it seems to be merely flaky with the Epic in CM7. For nightly 45, anyways. I also get that much life out of my 1500mAh OEM battery (17 months old), even with CM7 although it does seem to be eating about 15% more per day than CleanGB (JuiceDefender's Balanced profile in both cases). I mentioned it only so that my expectations were clearer for anyone caring to compare.

muyoso said:
I'd love to see what CM9 is like, but I'll probably wait until at LEAST the betas begin if not the release candidate.
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I know you have other reasons for not going to CM9 and I completely respect that, however this is a common misconception, and seems to be a very good reason why people don't flash CM9.
CM9...as a whole, is alpha. That is because there are features, a theme manager, and some improvements to be added. Ice Cream Sandwich as CM9 however...performs like a beta, if not a release candidate. Think of it has a slightly tweaked ICS rom for the time being. It performs as good as stock ICS would on the galaxy nexus though.
There are very, very small bugs in CM9 that will affect everyday use, and sometimes that's enough for people not to want to flash it. But again (and this isn't just directed at you, I see this too often), look past the word alpha.
Here's the only minor bugs that have ever bothered me in the slightest:
Video artifacts when playing LQ videos (Not a big deal because I prefer HQ, and that works perfectly)
Some pictures in the gallery are jumbled when clicking on one. The fix? Just download quickpic.
That's it. Other than that, it performs better than any android OS version I've ever been on in my life.
Just tellin ya =)
@ OP: "I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about."
Nightlies are upstream changes to CM7 as a whole. Just because you don't see a "stable" version does not mean any nightly isn't stable. They all are. The CM team is just constantly improving their ROM as a whole. Half the things they "fix" are rarely relevant to one's everyday use, and they're just changes to make essentially the "perfect" ROM. CM7 is as stable as any EL30 ROM out there I guarantee, and it's much faster and customizable.

CM7 and now on CM9 I've never had in volume rocker issues or gps issues. I'm loving Cyanogen Mod makes my phone like a brand new phone. But I guess every phone is different.
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Cyanogen had to move across the country to work for samsung. Most devs that get taken over to a big company can't release roms anymore. The misconception is that it isn't done yet. They'll give it to us at just the right time. Sxsw should help.
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CM is a community rom. Only a small part is actually made by Cyanogen. Basically, they put up an AOSP version of the latest android then let people submit changes. Anyone can submit a change and it will be either approved or denied by team douche (cm team).
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The point is open sauce (it is very tasty sauce.)
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I know you have other reasons for not going to CM9 and I completely respect that, however this is a common misconception, and seems to be a very good reason why people don't flash CM9.
CM9...as a whole, is alpha. That is because there are features, a theme manager, and some improvements to be added. Ice Cream Sandwich as CM9 however...performs like a beta, if not a release candidate. Think of it has a slightly tweaked ICS rom for the time being. It performs as good as stock ICS would on the galaxy nexus though.
There are very, very small bugs in CM9 that will affect everyday use, and sometimes that's enough for people not to want to flash it. But again (and this isn't just directed at you, I see this too often), look past the word alpha.
Here's the only minor bugs that have ever bothered me in the slightest:
Video artifacts when playing LQ videos (Not a big deal because I prefer HQ, and that works perfectly)
Some pictures in the gallery are jumbled when clicking on one. The fix? Just download quickpic.
That's it. Other than that, it performs better than any android OS version I've ever been on in my life.
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I understand that the overall CM9 isn't official yet, so we cannot have anything other than an alpha at this point. That said, I have read a lot about it and there are still major things that stand out to me that make me not want to flash it. Also, like in CM7, 99% of the people overlook things when discussing the rom that I consider a deal killer. I'm gonna wait until its pretty stable and then flash so that I can give it a fair comparison to CleanGB.

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For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?
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I agree that SRF 1.2 was the best rom I've ever used with the epic, but as far as gingerbread roms I like CM7 the best. I don't know why you have the volume problem, but I can't reproduce it on my phone (pressing volume during a call does nothing except adjust call volume for me as it should) which is running the same nightly as you. I don't think I can name a single bug on it actually, or at least none of them have affected me yet. Except the random LED behavior i guess?
All this plus the huge amount of features and theme changer makes cm7 the best in my book. I have also had absolutely 0 issues with stability, too. (no FCs, reboots, hangs)
edit: volume rocker changes media when i'm playing music/etc, ringer in general, and call volume during calls. gps locks very fast. I'm not a fanboy, i switch roms very frequently and only recently settled on cm7. i really cannot reproduce a single one of the bugs you mentioned, or any instability in general.

You kind of come off as a whining little snob. No offense but If cm7 or cm9 doesn't suit your boot, then leave and stick with your clean GB. Us true epic users are kissing dusty feet for these upgrades, especially cm9 ICS. No complaints on my end over small bugs. Enjoy a factory android or iphone. Yes, call me an Ahole all day. I really don't care.
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Attacking people in a thread is kind of childish don't you think? I really don't think the op sounds like he is being whiny at all imo. Look here is the bottom line CM9 isn't for everyone. It is a nice rom and could be used as a very nice daily driver. The op has some concerns about it and it sounds like he wanted to know what all the hype was about. So yes CM9 is an awesome rom and has the potential imo to be even better
than it is. If you love the core TW elements than CM9 probably is not the best choice for you.
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b16flybye said:
You kind of come off as a whining little snob. No offense but If cm7 or cm9 doesn't suit your boot, then leave and stick with your clean GB. Us true epic users are kissing dusty feet for these upgrades, especially cm9 ICS. No complaints on my end over small bugs. Enjoy a factory android or iphone. Yes, call me an Ahole all day. I really don't care.
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O come on really. He's just stating that's there's a bugs.
You are being a fanboy.
I was looking forword to cm7 but it seems they stoped working on it. Do I complane no cuz they can work on what even THEY WANT TO.
The thing that gets me it that dam txt for voice mails & other phones cm7 have it fixed but the ppl in the epic forums just say use google voice & never bother to think maybe A) ppl don't like it. Or B) are already using google voice for an other number. I have seen so many ppl ask the same thing I feel there is no point of asking for a fix.
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The point is the CMs are not TW ROMs. If there are features which are exclusive to TW ROMs that you can't live without then stick to a TW ROM like CleanGB. An AOSP ROM is never going to be a TW ROM. It feels more like this thread is a "convince me to use Cyanogen even though I already love CleanGB" thing. Different strokes for different folks. We are lucky to have such diverse choices here on the Epic. Use what you like.
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^^ what he said^^
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kennyglass123 said:
The point is the CMs are not TW ROMs. If there are features which are exclusive to TW ROMs that you can't live without then stick to a TW ROM like CleanGB. An AOSP ROM is never going to be a TW ROM. It feels more like this thread is a "convince me to use Cyanogen even though I already love CleanGB" thing. Different strokes for different folks. We are lucky to have such diverse choices here on the Epic. Use what you like.
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I still don't see what aosp has to do with the txting voice mail thing. Cm7 runs just fine on my gfs phone & she don't get the txts when she gets vmail. (She has sprint & an LG Optimus S & that little pos phone is no longer a pos with cm7. She was vary happy when I flashed it on her phone ;-);-) I didn't even tell her heheheh she just woke up 2 a phone that didn't lock up every day )
BTW Kenny I totoaly get ur point. But there's no reason to come in the thread & be a fan boy(other ppl NOT u kenny). But on the other hand you can't go any where on the net with out fanboys jumping on u if u like a subaru over an Evo, a 360 over a ps3. I love cm I instll it on all kinds of phones. I also DO NOT HATE TOUCHWIZ one thing that I love about touchwiz is the swipe left to txt right to call. I didn't even know that was a tw thing untill I instlled cm7 on a friends phone (b4 we had it) I thought it was a froyo thingy.
The cm team does a grate job but there roms are like the be all end all god of epic roms & evey time we start to Discuss the subject some fanboys comm in and ruins it all Screaming blasphemy blasphemy blasphemy reminds me of the Muslims *****ing about cartoons. Its like if u DON'T LOVE CM u suck arond hear.
I'm just disapointed that cm7 died idk if ics is ever going to work any better than win7 does on my sony vaio that came with vista, only time will tell.
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So if I'm reading the fanbois right, the bugs are just how CyanogenMod is. Okay then, I don't have a problem with that. I happen to think that the buttons and GPS on my phone (or others) are must-have features and not minor bugs. I certainly have no affection for TouchWiz or Sense else why would I be bothering to try ROMs, especially now that CiQ has been removed from EL30 (thank you very much, k0nane!).
For comparison, I also mess about in the router modding world, with third-party firmware like DD-WRT and OpenWRT. The finished products there, when they say they work, they tend to mean all of the buttons. With CM7, it looks like finished (meaning the Evo) means features are missing and my question was simply is that also what it will also be like when the Epic is finished. The answer appears to be yes.
Edit: I doublechecked the call mute thing and it does happen with my phone on nightly 45 of CM7. Adjusting the volume down once reduces the volume to nearly inaudible levels and pressing up on the rocker does nothing. I first noticed the bug when in handsfree on a robocall; when I tried to turn down the handsfree volume, one press effectively muted the call and taking the call out of speakerphone mode did nothing.

Well said Kenny at least you have the class to come on here and not be a fanboy. You give us your point in a straightforward but non condescending tone. I myself think CM9 is awesome but there are just some things that are deal breakers for me. So maybe in the future I will give CM9 a go again.
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