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currently running froyd and am happy with it just wondered whether someone has experience of both if so whats the differences between the two and which is best overall? Not interested in overclocking or anything really technical. thanks
I know someone will say it, so I might as well be first. Rather don't ask people, but instead grab a copy yourself and test it out. It's really based on your own opinion. Each ROM works differently for others.
With features such as nandroid backups these days, there really isn't much of an excuse for not trying out alternative ROMs. If you like it, then keep it. If not, then nandroid back. However, with that said, I think both are on par with eachother and both have achieved outstanding results. It really breaks down to the small things, which you'll need to experience yourself.
ok thanks 1 problem though cant see an option to download the fusion rom?
At this stage its kinda like comparing apples with worms in with pears with worms in..
Yes its different fruit but the bugs are the same..
I haven't tried either so feel free to shoot me down but the reason for this is that I feel devs are focusing on getting everything working (which is a good thing). But because of this I feel theres not really one 2.2 rom that particularly stands out..
I'd love to be proven wrong though!! still rocking out on cm6 nightlies....
both are same
i had fusion first and later came fryod so installed fryod expecting abetter but was really disappointed because both rom turned to be exactly same, same problems in both rom just looked like fryod was a copy of fusion just a different name. now i see fusion got update but fryod is still with same problem.
known issues-
camera is only 3mega pixels
no camera preview and force closes.
crashes when u try to view a flash video
no live wallpaper
no touck key to answer a call.
thiese problems are with both fusion and fryod
CyanogenMod 6.0 is the only Froyo ROM there is, and Fusion and Froyd are each tweaks to the CM6 base. Until CM6 is finalized or Feeyo releases his Froyo-from-source ROM, they're all essentially the same. Villain probably has some kernel tweaks, and Fusion too, but all the bugs are all going to be there.
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CyanogenMod 6.0 is the only Froyo ROM there is, and Fusion and Froyd are each tweaks to the CM6 base. Until CM6 is finalized or Feeyo releases his Froyo-from-source ROM, they're all essentially the same. Villain probably has some kernel tweaks, and Fusion too, but all the bugs are all going to be there.
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Untrue.
I will post a wip copy of [email protected] in a few hours.
No CM-crap; vanilla source.
wrong in fusion rom have touch key to answer call
adwinp said:
Untrue.
I will post a wip copy of [email protected] in a few hours.
No CM-crap; vanilla source.
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Good, just like it should be
developing said:
CyanogenMod 6.0 is the only Froyo ROM there is, and Fusion and Froyd are each tweaks to the CM6 base. Until CM6 is finalized or Feeyo releases his Froyo-from-source ROM, they're all essentially the same. Villain probably has some kernel tweaks, and Fusion too, but all the bugs are all going to be there.
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Dito.
adwinp said:
Untrue.
I will post a wip copy of [email protected] in a few hours.
No CM-crap; vanilla source.
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Some more respect to the real developers.
I suspect your ROM will just be another compiled-straight-from-source-and-nothing-else ROM, right?
Hehe, I guess he got a reputation? Please let my previous comment slip then
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Dito.
Some more respect to the real developers.
I suspect your ROM will just be another compiled-straight-from-source-and-nothing-else ROM, right?
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Not necessarily, and 2: you misunderstood.
There are a few talented devs around, and I don't understand why everybody's copying CM's work.
CM is a great dev, but what pisses me off in the Hero section, is that everybody's ripping his work instead of trying to get it work on their own.
Innovation, make your own path, NOT imitation.
@orangeclanz:
I've checked your previous posts, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not really the best placed to comment whatsoever.
Secondly, nobody forces you to try anything. Just stop *****in'.
For those interested: I've finally fixed an issue with some keybindings; I will upload after a few final touches.
Well... I cannot stand the never ending begging for money from Villain and nprussel....
Villain is something like a tabloid newspaper for roms......
anyway, back on topic.
for me, difference is:
fusionrom 2.2 update 4 works great. really solid now. aside from borked camera, once you receive a phone call the trackball light notification works, the froyo-style apps2sd works (with the included cyanogenmod6 improvements allowing any app to be pushed to sd that way). it's very fast (4.5 to 4.7 linpack for me stock withotu the software overclock kernel mod). apps and games run amazingly well on it. has an issue where system.process.media (or similar) fcs after a while and after trying the gallery. I think that might be a gallery issue and maybe will be fixed soon, I don't know though. saw the same issue in froyd once but not again later?
froyd 1.0 works... ok, but it's slow. it has very nice features, the ext partition apps2sd support is nice to have (no manual file moving needed). however there are reasons to like manual moving as well, I'm a control freak, good to let me decide where to put it. but this ext parition method is certainly easier, really fast and transparent. nice. however the kernel is slow, 3.5 linpack (slow for froyo). also lots of random slowdowns. experimental kernel flash works really well and is very fast (got 5.1 linpack at 729 mHz on my phone). I did encounter some issues, not sure if it was my clock speed (which was always fine @ 729 on 2.1 roms but could be the issue still with jit froyo pushing it harder maybe). issues were google nav and some 3d games just quitting without warning and without fc messages. just quitting. google nav was serious, I was driving and it was just... gone after a few minutes. game was annoying, was playing monopoly, 20 minutes of playing, then just gone with no record of gameplay :-(. again that could be my cpu speed setting though, haven't tried further.
both ahve borked camera and no video (since video is just a recording of the screen preview... why on earth can't they write a REAL video recorder for android on the hero??? it should be possible... stupid screen capture video...)
Having tried both Froyd and Fusion, I went back to the CM nightly builds. The 20/07 build is pretty much there with everything except the camera and fb sync working. Have sorted this by using camera magic and syncmypix.
for me, this one is fast snappy and definitely the best 2.2 around currently.
@adwinp. U right.I'm not in position to comment here.so do u. Pls show some respect to other dev. As a dump user here.I do appreciate and respect all Dev works. At least I don't called it CRAP.
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Not necessarily, and 2: you misunderstood.
There are a few talented devs around, and I don't understand why everybody's copying CM's work.
CM is a great dev, but what pisses me off in the Hero section, is that everybody's ripping his work instead of trying to get it work on their own.
Innovation, make your own path, NOT imitation.
@orangeclanz:
I've checked your previous posts, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not really the best placed to comment whatsoever.
Secondly, nobody forces you to try anything. Just stop *****in'.
For those interested: I've finally fixed an issue with some keybindings; I will upload after a few final touches.
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Well, then just don't call it CM-crap..
Yes, I agree that there are way too many CM-Mod-mods arround.. And they are all the same +/- some apks.
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Well, then just don't call it CM-crap..
Yes, I agree that there are way too many CM-Mod-mods arround.. And they are all the same +/- some apks.
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Once, more, you're misinterpreting; crap was related to the CM-rips, not CM itself.
I hope I made myself clear.
by the way, this thread really should be about which is better between:
froyd
fusionrom
cm-nightlies
the cm-nightlies are, imho, ahead of the rest. but they're nightly builds so you take a big gamble when you grab one and install it. However if there is going to be a successful camera fix my bet is that it will come from the cm-nightlies for hero team.
Just saying.... but for me I'm running fusion until some major progress happens from... someone
cheers
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Well... I cannot stand the never ending begging for money from Villain and nprussel....
Villain is something like a tabloid newspaper for roms......
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There's no mention of me asking for money, nor have I charged for any release. There's no begging, whatsoever infact. I mention it in my sig - but who doesn't?
I am a bit fed up of all the bad-mouthing I'm getting around here recently. We've not ripped anyone off.
We're in the process of making some pretty major changes/fixes to FroydVillain, and one of our developers is currently re-compiling a Froyo ROM from source - ie, pure vanilla.
As for which ROM is better... they're different. When we release our new kernel, expect over 5 mflops at a stable OC of around 748 Mhz.
Test them both, but before you make a judgement on Froyd, test it with the new (fixed) kernel - which is significantly better than the one Lox released. Ninpo over at the VillainROM forums will be more than happy to explain what makes it significantly faster if anyone's interested!
Anyway... less hate is definitely required around here
Is there any true bugless/very minimally bugged ROM out there? Tried CM6, CM6, Evervolv, and some others. I'm talking something that can be fully fixed if there are bugs in it, or is there a ROM that will basically be a stock evo with the sprint garbage removed from it, i was wondering maybe I could stick a savagedzen kernel on it and get some better speed from it as well with bettery battery life. I know there is a fresh evo but I don't think that this ROM gets rid of the junkware sprint puts on? Since quadrant scores and the like are mostly useless I'm beginning to even wonder, are you "truly" getting any more speed out of a custom ROM over stock without getting bugs?
Right now I'm on CM7, everything is wonderful, of course except for the bugs. The random 3g -> 1x for no reason, making the internet not even usable. The random mini-lockups/terrible lag that I can get, etc are all just too annoying to deal with when they pop up. It's irritating when I go to my friends and say "here check this out, this thing has more battery life and as fast a he-...oh well actually my internet on it is bugging out right now and the lockscreen I have to really quick reboot for etc etc." What's the point of speed if these sort of things happen, you know? All of the flashiness of gingerbread is starting to urk me with all the bugs it brings, I haven't tried a froyo mod except for myns, I don't remember what kind of bugs I had in that, if any. What's the best way to go from here? Maybe give CM6 a try again and put SZen kernel on it?(I only ever tried it with stock) Thanks for any opinions/sorry for the mini text wall.
Newsflash: CM7 is buggy, and has always been buggy, hence the ever updated releases.
If you want a ROM that's as close to 100% stable as you can find, try the bigger Sense ROM's....
Are there any very stable AOSP ROMs? Especially gingerbread? Or do these only truly become stable when the real releases are out for the phones? Because If that's not the case, why not just run stock, you know? What's the real benefit? The only reason I rooted in the very beginning was to get rid of the junk Sprint has attached in the beginning. I don't mind sense. However ever since I've rooted I've been on a speed/battery hunt thinking I could get something majorly different. Is it even worth it? What is CM6 like with savagedzen for instance? Because that's what I'm thinking of trying next. Or are all AOSP going to have pretty hefty bugs with them one way or another due to the nature of them?
So far the new ports of the Shift roms are solid as a rock. Misfits for stock. Kings for some ultra themed ones and Zone23 for blue.
Give them a try you won't regret disappointed.
Try Misfits Speedy Port. Pretty stable with Sense 2.1. I'm making a rom based on that one that is stripped down, but not allowed to post dev forums yet
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Try Misfits Speedy Port. Pretty stable with Sense 2.1. I'm making a rom based on that one that is stripped down, but not allowed to post dev forums yet
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What are you gaining over a stock evo, though. Compared to this?
Years ago the phones were slow and bloated. You could install custom ROMs and actually notice an increase in speed.
With the phones coming out now they are already fast and if you root to look for a speed increase you might not notice much. You will notice all the bloatware gone though.
For a stable ROM I would look for a 2.2 Calk ROM or ones like that. They may not have been updated in awhile but that's because there isn't much to add or change. Everything works.
What about myns?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
See I don't understand why the call them "release [clients?]", and then release a "full version", even when the full version is still buggy with devices. I stayed away from CM7 for that exact reason until they finally got the full version up. Once I stuck it on i was enjoying it so much but the bugs are just too annoying to deal with anymore. Can't even show off with it because of them popping up at the dumbest times and then it's like yeah so much for that awesome phone hack. I might go try myn's again or CM6, not sure. I just want the stock apps gone, and I want a stable environment. Speed is nice too. Being unique is nice, when it doesn't have huge drawbacks.
Crossrocker said:
What about myns?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
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The more and more I think about it I don't remember having too many issues with myn's, so I may try that out again. Not sure. Is there any way to get that gingerbread lock off/on animation? That is something I'm really after, along with the gingerbread keyboard too.
On the sense side, I've found Koni's elite series III to be flawless...I'm currently running ava's ginger sense and haven't had any real issues with it either... can't go wrong with either of those.. just my two cents..
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No smart phone to date is bug free. Cm7 stable is best in my opinion and that 3g/1x bug you speak of isn't a bug but cm7 actually giving you the accurate data speed in the area you are in.
What recovery are u using amon 2.3 wipes fix most issue.when flashing like crazy I haven't had any issues with the roms . Sense or cm7 work fine. Try Elite 3 , Kings out of this world. Um to many to list. Always do a full wipe when flashing new roms.
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No smart phone to date is bug free. Cm7 stable is best in my opinion and that 3g/1x bug you speak of isn't a bug but cm7 actually giving you the accurate data speed in the area you are in.
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I know there isn't a "bug free" ROM or phone. But in terms of crippling bugs, CM7 at the moment for me is horrifying when I'm trying to show it to others especially.
As for the 3g/1x bug it is very real, and it's the worst. I get 1x for no reason inside my house and outside on occasion, it will then switch back to 3g if I restart the phone, or wait [sometimes an absurdly long time] until it fixes itself. I've not had that issue with any other ROMs, stock evo, gingerbread ROMs, or anything of the like. I've reflashed completely fresh with and without the GPS fix, with savagedzen and stock - no difference. Maybe it's just my phone, regardless though, there are so many people asking for help on different areas of CM7 it makes me not want to bother because it is not a truly stable rom for Evo for a lot of people. The battery charger bug I can deal with, mine lags to high hell when it's on the charger - that's something I can fix within an instant and not have it bother me. As for the 3g/1x, the random app mini freezes, the lockscreen not wanting to come on sometimes unless I hold down the button much longer until I restart, and other things of the sort, i cannot. It's not worth the flashy menus, and really the battery life is nothing near a froyo ROM, not even close. (I don't expect it to be).
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What recovery are u using amon 2.3 wipes fix most issue.when flashing like crazy I haven't had any issues with the roms . Sense or cm7 work fine. Try Elite 3 , Kings out of this world. Um to many to list. Always do a full wipe when flashing new roms.
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I use amon 2.3 as well, and I always full wipe after storing a backup on my comp (complete full wipe)
I played with my friend's stock unrooted evo yesterday and no joke, the thing randomly rebooted in my hands while doing nothing special at all.
With that said, any rom here is more stable than stock, but try SavageMod 1.2.1, most stable 2.3.3 I've tried.
I have to endorse Koni's. I ran it for over a month, until I flashed Giger today to pay with 'til Koni releases v.IV
It's not overly themed, perfectly smooth and everything I needed to work did fine, and not one FC the entire time I ran it.
The setup in my sig is how I had it set up. The only difference now, of course, is the ROM
I like sinister for stability, its V4 now and I can't think of a single issue with it.
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c1o5ry1991 said:
The more and more I think about it I don't remember having too many issues with myn's, so I may try that out again. Not sure. Is there any way to get that gingerbread lock off/on animation? That is something I'm really after, along with the gingerbread keyboard too.
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I always like ava's ROMs for fast and stable - Z4 isn't quite their yet, but give Z3 a shot.
No GB on/off animation mod as of yet, but you can add the GB keyboard to any ROM. There a quite a few diff ones from the themes and apps forum.
Gotta jump in here for some input...
If you just strictly want Sense, I was always a Myn Warm Two Point Two guy.
If you can't live without the screen off animation, Deck's Gingerbread is by far the way to go. Yes, it is built from CM7 to an extent but Deck really does a great job taking care of problems. There is a stable 1.0 and beta 1.2(x). Everyone likes CM7 because its popular and known, but honestly after using CM7 for awhile and then jumping to Deck's rom I will never look back.
If you want to remove the bloat from a stock sprint rom don't forget that you can always just do it by removing the apk's from your system with root explorer or through ADB.
How to through ADB:
--adb remount
--adb shell
-- cd /system/app
--ls
-- Once all the apps show up, you just type: rm <insert the apk name here.apk>
--reboot your phone and BAMMMMM!
Which ics ROM is everyone one using and which one is better?
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Ics passion v4. Its like wiping your ass with silk. Smooth as hell.
Yea, that's what I've been using. It's still a Beta, so, there's some kinks... but, it's the best ICS ROM for us at the moment.
Agreed. Not using it, as I'm waiting for the bugs to be ironed out. However I am watching that thread like a hawk. Waiting for the rom to exit the beta stages.
ICS Passion v4.01 thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1362961
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Here's some screenies of the rom...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19763246&postcount=359
Passion v4 is good, still has some kinks but only because its still in Beta. I use it as my daily since i really dont do much except text, email, Plume, FC Scoremobile, and once in awhile YouTube.
No video camera or GPS
other than that its pretty awesome!
I'm using the i9000 version as a daily ROM, been pretty sweet. Same battery life if not better from gingerbread. Each version has its own little caveats though so beware.
Are 911 or the headphone media stop/start buttons working on any ICS roms?
Thanks.
Passion v4
I'm Using passion v4 and its pretty great so far. No GPS (for me at least) but that is to be expected. Only a couple of bugs left as far as I can tell. Give it a shot.
+1 for Passion v4. Its amazing
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I didn't really expect that it will be this fast to make a nice ICS rom for the vibrant.
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1+ for ICS Passion V4
+78005889595845 for ICS passion.
Does it seem like the ICS builds have less bugs then the early gingerbread builds? Any bootloader issues?
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Does it seem like the ICS builds have less bugs then the early gingerbread builds? Any bootloader issues?
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issues, WHAT issues?
Besides the normal battery life decrease from froyo roms that most people are used to- there aren't too many issues.
Major issues:
Video Recording does not work for any port yet (i9000etc.)
GPS does not work for us.
Lesser issues:
some apps may freeze up since they aren't ICS compatible yet.
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issues, WHAT issues?
Besides the normal battery life decrease from froyo roms that most people are used to- there aren't too many issues.
Major issues:
Video Recording does not work for any port yet (i9000etc.)
GPS does not work for us.
Lesser issues:
some apps may freeze up since they aren't ICS compatible yet.
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I think you get defensive too quickly...
Greg was comparing early gingerbread to early ICS saying that ICS has had a less buggy start than GB did. Then he ASKED if there were issues.
So if anything I think you just agreed with him, in a very aggressive way.
Any way, thanks to this thread, I jumped on the Passion v4 wagon. I was contemplating waiting for v5 while doing homework but couldn't help myself. I have no regrets.
After restoring everything with Titanium it runs really smooth (something was going wrong in CM7, probably from all the crap I had installed). The battery life seems about the same as GB, but everything looks so much nicer.
I found a few apps that do not appreciate ICS as much as I do, but if they're no friends of ICS they are no friends of mine!
I just hope GPS is working before my trip in a few weeks (and from the sounds of it they will have it working in the next few days, if not tonight).
It is the only ICS rom I have tried so far, but whether everyone here was right or just my ignorance of what else is out there, I am still very happy with it.
I just have one question. How do you flash if by chance you've alraedy installed a different version of ICS? Because you cant mount it to send any data to it!
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So if anything I think you just agreed with him, in a very aggressive way.
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Lol
This is a very very smooth ROM. I'm coming from CM7 with Glitch v13 and as far as I can see, it's amazing! Will be using it as my dd for a good long time. Only complaint is there isn't as much customization as with CM7 but I just installed ADW launcher and that's good enough for me!
Recommended to any Vibrant user!
I tried I9000 port of ICS with working button mapping,gps,hw accel because it sounds most likely to go into the next CM type of build, while the others just seem like rom chefs working from someone else's source.
For me it was snappy as hell, literally from the moment I got it running it felt more smooth than any of the current gingerbread roms. I didn't keep it on long enough to comment on battery life, and unlike most of the people in the thread, I couldn't get gps working(nor did I try things like media buttons).. in the end I gave up on it because titanium backup wouldn't restore my apps. Not one. I was too lazy to troubleshoot it or install them all again one by one, and I wanted my daily driver/reliable 2.2 back.
But it gave me hope: if they have a working rom, this quick, that smooth, with so few definite problems- it will probably surpass any gingerbread version I have tried to date.
Hell, if I could have restored my titanium backup and the apps I truly use every day actually worked, I'd still be using it.
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I just have one question. How do you flash if by chance you've alraedy installed a different version of ICS? Because you cant mount it to send any data to it!
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Edit: Maybe the reason you can't mount it is because you need modified USB drivers? Here are the Modified usb drivers just in case some computers dont detect the device that they have posted here
Otherwise..
Umm, you can't mount it? The ICS I tried didn't have a mounting problem.. but if your still able to flash, you could bluetooth the files you need over, use dropbox and download it, and there are probably a few other ways I could think of.. otherwise I'm not sure what is stopping you, I don't even know which ICS still can't mount.
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Lol
This is a very very smooth ROM. I'm coming from CM7 with Glitch v13 and as far as I can see, it's amazing! Will be using it as my dd for a good long time. Only complaint is there isn't as much customization as with CM7 but I just installed ADW launcher and that's good enough for me!
Recommended to any Vibrant user!
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When you say customization in CM7, are you just talking about theming? Unless there is a large part of customization I missed that CM7 offered, the theming in cm7 was far outweighed by what you could do in MIUI, besides the many features it offered that CM7 never even touched..
Oh the other note, I would also recommend any vibrant user to give ICS a try- it offers something unique and fresh, and I am quite happy with the beta experience it had.
ICS Passion v5. Other than GPS and video recording for now evrything works as it is supposed to. USB mounting is correct (no more MTP mount). It's smooth and fast. Camera even works in Panorama mode. It's no longer beta in my opinion, its a perfect daily driver. Best Rom ever on my Vibrant.
Here's a picture of San Diego yesterday taken from Coronado Island.
ICS passion v5 is godly 0
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For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?
I think its that some people don't really care if things work perfectly or not. I personally got so fed up with CM7 that I went to CleanGB. They stopped working on CM7 a while ago and are now fixing up CM9. I'd love to see what CM9 is like, but I'll probably wait until at LEAST the betas begin if not the release candidate.
I think Cyanogenmod represents hope to people who own devices that are no longer supported by the manufacturer. That is why people may overlook a volume rocker not working perfectly. You gotta get Cyanogenmod devs a lot of credit. They do put out a damn good release with regards to what they are given to start with.
By far no... cyanogen is so popular its been recognized by Google amung others. The volume issue is a feature not a bug I don't own an evo but I put cyanogen on one for a friend and he loves it. What version did u use on the rvo I had a HTC glacier and now the sensation. Cm7 on glacier is solid asrock and cm9 on HTC sensation even it its beta stage is good enough for daily use did:u flash most up to date gapps? I honestly can't live without cm and I've tryed other rooms but I always come back to cm and I've rooted probably a dozen peoples phones with it and the response is always the same. "Its just soon much better, faster and easier to use and everything works its what I thought my phone was gonna be" I would recommend a custom kernel to go with cm7 as the included kernel is very basic (no non standard CPU governors etc) look for an overclocked and undeevolted kernel. It will help with battery life (more so with undervolted and ovrrclocked kernel as opposed to just overclocled as the undervolt one changes the voltage steps on the CPU as well as freq so even though your OC'd it still is using the same (or less) amount of power. Also try and get one with the smartass CPU governor as its like having CPU profiles like when screen is off it pilots mhtz to the min freq setting instead of just leaving it "on demand" feel free to pick my brain I want u to feel the joy that comes with using cyanogwn
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For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?
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I don't want to sound mean or rude, but if you have problems with the small stuff then just go stock or the closest build of stability. GPA has always been terrible its Samsung for you. and for screen on times like that your not going to get that with a stock battery and also depends on your usage man.
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You gotta get Cyanogenmod devs a lot of credit. They do put out a damn good release with regards to what they are given to start with.
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Absolutely. I recognize that what they are trying to do is incredibly ambitious and a worthy goal.
XxLostSoulxX said:
I don't want to sound mean or rude, but if you have problems with the small stuff then just go stock or the closest build of stability. GPA has always been terrible its Samsung for you. and for screen on times like that your not going to get that with a stock battery and also depends on your usage man.
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No offense taken. The differential in expectations seems to be that no one bothers to mention the "small stuff", like GPS or buttons not working while they go on endlessly about how much faster the CPU will do, well, almost nothing worthwhile.
Also, the GPS not working was on the HTC using CM7--it seems to be merely flaky with the Epic in CM7. For nightly 45, anyways. I also get that much life out of my 1500mAh OEM battery (17 months old), even with CM7 although it does seem to be eating about 15% more per day than CleanGB (JuiceDefender's Balanced profile in both cases). I mentioned it only so that my expectations were clearer for anyone caring to compare.
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I'd love to see what CM9 is like, but I'll probably wait until at LEAST the betas begin if not the release candidate.
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I know you have other reasons for not going to CM9 and I completely respect that, however this is a common misconception, and seems to be a very good reason why people don't flash CM9.
CM9...as a whole, is alpha. That is because there are features, a theme manager, and some improvements to be added. Ice Cream Sandwich as CM9 however...performs like a beta, if not a release candidate. Think of it has a slightly tweaked ICS rom for the time being. It performs as good as stock ICS would on the galaxy nexus though.
There are very, very small bugs in CM9 that will affect everyday use, and sometimes that's enough for people not to want to flash it. But again (and this isn't just directed at you, I see this too often), look past the word alpha.
Here's the only minor bugs that have ever bothered me in the slightest:
Video artifacts when playing LQ videos (Not a big deal because I prefer HQ, and that works perfectly)
Some pictures in the gallery are jumbled when clicking on one. The fix? Just download quickpic.
That's it. Other than that, it performs better than any android OS version I've ever been on in my life.
Just tellin ya =)
@ OP: "I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about."
Nightlies are upstream changes to CM7 as a whole. Just because you don't see a "stable" version does not mean any nightly isn't stable. They all are. The CM team is just constantly improving their ROM as a whole. Half the things they "fix" are rarely relevant to one's everyday use, and they're just changes to make essentially the "perfect" ROM. CM7 is as stable as any EL30 ROM out there I guarantee, and it's much faster and customizable.
CM7 and now on CM9 I've never had in volume rocker issues or gps issues. I'm loving Cyanogen Mod makes my phone like a brand new phone. But I guess every phone is different.
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Cyanogen had to move across the country to work for samsung. Most devs that get taken over to a big company can't release roms anymore. The misconception is that it isn't done yet. They'll give it to us at just the right time. Sxsw should help.
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CM is a community rom. Only a small part is actually made by Cyanogen. Basically, they put up an AOSP version of the latest android then let people submit changes. Anyone can submit a change and it will be either approved or denied by team douche (cm team).
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The point is open sauce (it is very tasty sauce.)
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I know you have other reasons for not going to CM9 and I completely respect that, however this is a common misconception, and seems to be a very good reason why people don't flash CM9.
CM9...as a whole, is alpha. That is because there are features, a theme manager, and some improvements to be added. Ice Cream Sandwich as CM9 however...performs like a beta, if not a release candidate. Think of it has a slightly tweaked ICS rom for the time being. It performs as good as stock ICS would on the galaxy nexus though.
There are very, very small bugs in CM9 that will affect everyday use, and sometimes that's enough for people not to want to flash it. But again (and this isn't just directed at you, I see this too often), look past the word alpha.
Here's the only minor bugs that have ever bothered me in the slightest:
Video artifacts when playing LQ videos (Not a big deal because I prefer HQ, and that works perfectly)
Some pictures in the gallery are jumbled when clicking on one. The fix? Just download quickpic.
That's it. Other than that, it performs better than any android OS version I've ever been on in my life.
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I understand that the overall CM9 isn't official yet, so we cannot have anything other than an alpha at this point. That said, I have read a lot about it and there are still major things that stand out to me that make me not want to flash it. Also, like in CM7, 99% of the people overlook things when discussing the rom that I consider a deal killer. I'm gonna wait until its pretty stable and then flash so that I can give it a fair comparison to CleanGB.
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For starters, I know, I'm a nub. I've been cautiously playing with ROMs for my Epic since the first SyndicateROM Frozen release and have lurked around /Dev ever since, looking for that just-right ROM.
Over time, I've seen a lot of references to CyanogenMod on the innertubes and I gathered that it was supposed to be what Android should have been but wasn't: an OS that worked the same way on all (supported) devices, without all the manufacturer and carrier bloat lagging the hardware.
I've tried a few nightlies of CM for the Epic and although I like the speed, looks, and configurability, I don't really understand why the Epic is listed as supported when only nightlies are available. Two months in and things like changing the volume during a call mutes it irrevocably, forcing a redial. Overall, I'm left wondering what all the fuss is about.
I recently upgraded another line on my Sprint account with a HTC Evo 4G. Since the Evo 4G has been supported by CM for ages and has stable builds available, I felt this was finally the best opportunity to give CM7 a real try and see what it can do. I happily loaded it up, packed in the user's needful apps, dressed up the UI, only to find that the volume rocker doesn't work properly. CM seemed confused by Media Volume, Ringer Volume, and Call Volume and when it wasn't meddling with the inappropriate volume for the given situation it chose to do nothing at all. The user's primary complaint with his previous phone, a Samsung Moment, was that the GPS had stopped working so imagine my =/ when I found that GPS doesn't lock in CM7 on the Evo. I gave up my half-day's worth of wasted effort and loaded up a Barebones rooted ROM instead, which naturally worked properly while looking like crap.
So back to my title question: is this the best we can expect from CyanogenMod? My sense is that there's a lot of angst built up among Android users, some of whom have declared CM the best version of Android almost in hopes that saying will make it so. Given the proliferation of fanbois, it's hard to get a real sense of what is out there to try.
For myself, I would like a ROM that doesn't surreptitiously track me, wakes up quickly on keyboard-slide, goes all day on a single charge with 2-4 hours of screen time, and all the radios work. 17 months of owning this phone and the first ROM I tried is still probably the best (SRF). CleanGB comes close but for whatever reason the first character I type on the keyboard gets highlighted and then erased by whatever I type next, forcing me to type the first letter twice (this happens when typing with nothing open on-screen and in whatever browser I'm using). The GPS is also terrible with EL30's radio.
Is this just how it is?
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I agree that SRF 1.2 was the best rom I've ever used with the epic, but as far as gingerbread roms I like CM7 the best. I don't know why you have the volume problem, but I can't reproduce it on my phone (pressing volume during a call does nothing except adjust call volume for me as it should) which is running the same nightly as you. I don't think I can name a single bug on it actually, or at least none of them have affected me yet. Except the random LED behavior i guess?
All this plus the huge amount of features and theme changer makes cm7 the best in my book. I have also had absolutely 0 issues with stability, too. (no FCs, reboots, hangs)
edit: volume rocker changes media when i'm playing music/etc, ringer in general, and call volume during calls. gps locks very fast. I'm not a fanboy, i switch roms very frequently and only recently settled on cm7. i really cannot reproduce a single one of the bugs you mentioned, or any instability in general.
You kind of come off as a whining little snob. No offense but If cm7 or cm9 doesn't suit your boot, then leave and stick with your clean GB. Us true epic users are kissing dusty feet for these upgrades, especially cm9 ICS. No complaints on my end over small bugs. Enjoy a factory android or iphone. Yes, call me an Ahole all day. I really don't care.
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Attacking people in a thread is kind of childish don't you think? I really don't think the op sounds like he is being whiny at all imo. Look here is the bottom line CM9 isn't for everyone. It is a nice rom and could be used as a very nice daily driver. The op has some concerns about it and it sounds like he wanted to know what all the hype was about. So yes CM9 is an awesome rom and has the potential imo to be even better
than it is. If you love the core TW elements than CM9 probably is not the best choice for you.
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b16flybye said:
You kind of come off as a whining little snob. No offense but If cm7 or cm9 doesn't suit your boot, then leave and stick with your clean GB. Us true epic users are kissing dusty feet for these upgrades, especially cm9 ICS. No complaints on my end over small bugs. Enjoy a factory android or iphone. Yes, call me an Ahole all day. I really don't care.
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O come on really. He's just stating that's there's a bugs.
You are being a fanboy.
I was looking forword to cm7 but it seems they stoped working on it. Do I complane no cuz they can work on what even THEY WANT TO.
The thing that gets me it that dam txt for voice mails & other phones cm7 have it fixed but the ppl in the epic forums just say use google voice & never bother to think maybe A) ppl don't like it. Or B) are already using google voice for an other number. I have seen so many ppl ask the same thing I feel there is no point of asking for a fix.
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The point is the CMs are not TW ROMs. If there are features which are exclusive to TW ROMs that you can't live without then stick to a TW ROM like CleanGB. An AOSP ROM is never going to be a TW ROM. It feels more like this thread is a "convince me to use Cyanogen even though I already love CleanGB" thing. Different strokes for different folks. We are lucky to have such diverse choices here on the Epic. Use what you like.
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^^ what he said^^
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The point is the CMs are not TW ROMs. If there are features which are exclusive to TW ROMs that you can't live without then stick to a TW ROM like CleanGB. An AOSP ROM is never going to be a TW ROM. It feels more like this thread is a "convince me to use Cyanogen even though I already love CleanGB" thing. Different strokes for different folks. We are lucky to have such diverse choices here on the Epic. Use what you like.
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I still don't see what aosp has to do with the txting voice mail thing. Cm7 runs just fine on my gfs phone & she don't get the txts when she gets vmail. (She has sprint & an LG Optimus S & that little pos phone is no longer a pos with cm7. She was vary happy when I flashed it on her phone ;-);-) I didn't even tell her heheheh she just woke up 2 a phone that didn't lock up every day )
BTW Kenny I totoaly get ur point. But there's no reason to come in the thread & be a fan boy(other ppl NOT u kenny). But on the other hand you can't go any where on the net with out fanboys jumping on u if u like a subaru over an Evo, a 360 over a ps3. I love cm I instll it on all kinds of phones. I also DO NOT HATE TOUCHWIZ one thing that I love about touchwiz is the swipe left to txt right to call. I didn't even know that was a tw thing untill I instlled cm7 on a friends phone (b4 we had it) I thought it was a froyo thingy.
The cm team does a grate job but there roms are like the be all end all god of epic roms & evey time we start to Discuss the subject some fanboys comm in and ruins it all Screaming blasphemy blasphemy blasphemy reminds me of the Muslims *****ing about cartoons. Its like if u DON'T LOVE CM u suck arond hear.
I'm just disapointed that cm7 died idk if ics is ever going to work any better than win7 does on my sony vaio that came with vista, only time will tell.
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So if I'm reading the fanbois right, the bugs are just how CyanogenMod is. Okay then, I don't have a problem with that. I happen to think that the buttons and GPS on my phone (or others) are must-have features and not minor bugs. I certainly have no affection for TouchWiz or Sense else why would I be bothering to try ROMs, especially now that CiQ has been removed from EL30 (thank you very much, k0nane!).
For comparison, I also mess about in the router modding world, with third-party firmware like DD-WRT and OpenWRT. The finished products there, when they say they work, they tend to mean all of the buttons. With CM7, it looks like finished (meaning the Evo) means features are missing and my question was simply is that also what it will also be like when the Epic is finished. The answer appears to be yes.
Edit: I doublechecked the call mute thing and it does happen with my phone on nightly 45 of CM7. Adjusting the volume down once reduces the volume to nearly inaudible levels and pressing up on the rocker does nothing. I first noticed the bug when in handsfree on a robocall; when I tried to turn down the handsfree volume, one press effectively muted the call and taking the call out of speakerphone mode did nothing.
Well said Kenny at least you have the class to come on here and not be a fanboy. You give us your point in a straightforward but non condescending tone. I myself think CM9 is awesome but there are just some things that are deal breakers for me. So maybe in the future I will give CM9 a go again.
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So after having been running ICS roms for the past 2 months or so, I decided to switch back to my favorite Gingerbread rom for the hell of it, to see exactly what I'd been giving up for ICS. And WOW, was I blown away. I remember GB was a lot faster than ICS, but geez I did not remember it being this fast. EVERYTHING opens and closes quicker, touch responsiveness is amazing, screens swipe lightning quick, and I'm sorry, even though I did realize ICS improved battery life a little bit from my initial impressions, GB is giving me better battery life than most of the ICS roms I have used. Most importantly to me though, my phone has simply just become more of a joy to use. And less of CHORE. ICS makes texting a pain in the ass. And not only that, but basically doing anything, browsing, having to constantly re-press anything, scrolling.......omg scrolling. Going down your facebook newsfeed is definitely a chore on ICS. Seeing as it goes up a little, half the time you scroll down. But typing is probably the biggest thing for me, since I text a decent amount. I even installed the same GB keyboard I'd used on gingerbread roms (it's a modified stock gb keyboard called "gingerbread keyboard") which I had been able to type so quick and so accuretly with (except for the occasional double letter that the keyboard puts in), but on ICS it was just as inaccurate as any other crap keyboard I'd try out. You just have to type slowwwww, and press hard. Who the hell wants to use their phone like an old person? I sure don't. ICS makes my phone a chore to use.
I'm looking to get some other impressions here, and from both sides (mostly ICS fans, if you don't mind), and just get an overall consensus of what the deal is. I knew I'd missed GB, but I didn't realize it was this much!
Things I'd be missing from ICS: brightness minimum and maximum (having a lower min is really appreciated in my room at night - some later GB roms have this implemented though), the updated Gallery (soo much better on ICS), some features that are nice to have but I don't really change anyway (screen mode, gamma sensitivity, etc.), Chome (LOL jk, chrome sucks **** on mobile), better default video player, having my phone say 4.03, 4.04, or 4.1.1 that's about it. Lemme know some other things you'd miss from ICS if you were to revert back.
Also, I have tried most roms for ICS, ranging from AOKP, AOSP based roms, CM9, Sammywiz ones, MIUI variations. Just for reference, I've tried Shishir, Ressurection AOKP, Foxhound's roms, Basically all of Kaffee's roms, cMIUI, RGUI, AdyScorp's V4, AOKP official, Rootbox, etc. My favorite of those personally was probably Ressurection, and cMIUI. Not a huge fan of AOKP (or the wole CM interface), so cMIUI a bit more.
Btw, the GB rom I'm referring to is AdyScorpius' MIUI GB. Fastest rom I've ever used, period. Battery life from what I remember was not even that good (I mean it's MIUI) even compared to other MIUI's. So considering that I'm noticing it to be on par, if not better than ICS I was running, is noteworthy.
Lay your comments down below.
EDIT: Oh and I've tried a few JB roms already, including CM10, Kaffee's CM10, and X-treme's CM10 based rom. To be honest it's really smooth (coming from ICS though), however it's wayyy too early in the game to compare it to GB for me. To be quite honest, it's really smooth and relatively fast, but since it's still based on ICS, I doubt it will ever feel as good as GB.
I do agree but i got used to ICS and the little problems bundled with it. When samsung decides to update our phones to JB, i hope it'll be a different story
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So after having been running ICS roms for the past 2 months or so, I decided to switch back to my favorite Gingerbread rom for the hell of it, to see exactly what I'd been giving up for ICS. And WOW, was I blown away. [...] I'm looking to get some other impressions here, and from both sides (mostly ICS fans, if you don't mind), and just get an overall consensus of what the deal is. I knew I'd missed GB, but I didn't realize it was this much!
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Well, I'm not an pure ICS fan - both versions have their advantages - but I like CM, AOSP and MIUI - and Samsungs camera app. As almost everything here at XDA and other boards is about ICS and now JB I have not expected someone coming up with a thread like this, thanks
I must admit reverting to a 2.6.9 GB MIUI (external link to Fluxi's MIUI GB thread) quite often, too - It somehow just "feels" better than any ICS ROM I tried so far (only 2 months \w I9100, i9000 before, always working on kernels) - touch sensitivity and wakeup lag definately are two reasons for me, too. Battery seems to be almost equal to me.
I'm still looking for "the" firmware, currently testing MIUI 2.7.27 which seems to work quite well, too. But I have a feeling that I'll switch back to GB tonight...
Read in another thread you posted that the WIUI dev might update the GB version, may I ask where you have that information from? Interesting.
Gingerbread was far better than ICS from a raw performance standpoint, i was 100 and 1% happy with the way my phone performed with GB and then i flashed to ICS and got used to extra features (and im the kind of person that doesn't like to be behind the curve).
If google had ported all of the new functionality to GB along with some of the work they did with project butter we would have a MUCH MUCH better platform than we are currently stuck with.
Having a device that doesn't respond the way you would expect to touch input and has noticeable jank and lag in this day and age is NOT acceptable when you have the likes WP7 and iOS out there.
Time is running out Google (& to a degree Samsung) , I've been an Android user since the G1 and 3 devices on my patience is growing short.
We already had these kind of threads before
i will downgrade to 2.3.3 if there isn't a newer 2.3.x of Nee which i believe there is but i ain't finding them
i downgrading due to lockscreen stopped work on Stock ICS but it seems to be working on gingerbread
The only reason why I am on ics is that I can not connect to my college's wifi network... On ics wifi works fine...
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I downgraded from ics back to GB 2.3.4 due to ics bugs, lag on the touch screen (sometimes felt like a resistive screen) jerky swipes between home screens, black screen of death, random shut down and disappearing widgets. Like the op says, GB was a revelation again and the galaxy feels reliable, responsive and fast again. I'm staying put now till next year when my contact ends, I came from iPhone to android and maybe it will be wp8 next, or maybe a galaxy s3.....
I miss the face unlock, swipe to dismiss notifications and the task manager of ics, that's about all
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I do agree but i got used to ICS and the little problems bundled with it. When samsung decides to update our phones to JB, i hope it'll be a different story
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I'm hoping the same thing man haha. But honestly I'm not having my hopes up anymore. I know that the CM10 preview builds don't have HW Accelerator working, and that the sensitivity does seem a bit better than ICS (more in the 'ok-eh' category instead of 'bad' like ICS), but I've seen a couple builds that claim to have HW Acceleration working, so if that makes a drastic improvement we'll see. Honestly I thought when ICS came out that it was just early in developemnt and that they'd work out the jags and stuff....yeah no. It's 3 months later and performance-wise it's relatively similar. AOKP has gotten much smoother though, but there's only so much you can do.
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Well, I'm not an pure ICS fan - both versions have their advantages - but I like CM, AOSP and MIUI - and Samsungs camera app. As almost everything here at XDA and other boards is about ICS and now JB I have not expected someone coming up with a thread like this, thanks
I must admit reverting to a 2.6.9 GB MIUI (external link to Fluxi's MIUI GB thread) quite often, too - It somehow just "feels" better than any ICS ROM I tried so far (only 2 months \w I9100, i9000 before, always working on kernels) - touch sensitivity and wakeup lag definately are two reasons for me, too. Battery seems to be almost equal to me.
I'm still looking for "the" firmware, currently testing MIUI 2.7.27 which seems to work quite well, too. But I have a feeling that I'll switch back to GB tonight...
Read in another thread you posted that the WIUI dev might update the GB version, may I ask where you have that information from? Interesting.
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I really appreciate your comments, especially coming from someone who has experience with kernels, it gives the whole discussion a little more validity. Wake lag is definitely annoying, honestly that's one of those things that by itself, you would think could be dismissed, but when added to the touch sensitivty, and sluggishness, just makes you think..what the hell.
Btw I was actually looking at WIUI last night by chance and also saw that he actually is updating his GB version. I had to re-read it a few times to make sure I wasn't mistaken. He's got a 6.29 version out, and in the comments he said he would do 8.4 (around there). I'll probably flash that, as my April GB rom is probably really outdated....hah.
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Gingerbread was far better than ICS from a raw performance standpoint, i was 100 and 1% happy with the way my phone performed with GB and then i flashed to ICS and got used to extra features (and im the kind of person that doesn't like to be behind the curve).
If google had ported all of the new functionality to GB along with some of the work they did with project butter we would have a MUCH MUCH better platform than we are currently stuck with.
Having a device that doesn't respond the way you would expect to touch input and has noticeable jank and lag in this day and age is NOT acceptable when you have the likes WP7 and iOS out there.
Time is running out Google (& to a degree Samsung) , I've been an Android user since the G1 and 3 devices on my patience is growing short.
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I agree with you that it probably would have made a lot more people happy had they stuck with a thoroughly upgraded GB instead of making a new platform. However although ICS sucks performance-wise (interface, anyway), it is actually pretty good in terms of efficiency. If you notice while restoring text messages or installing something via titanium backup, or shutting off your phone, things run quicker on ICS. ICS is more efficient, for sure. Which is why I hate even more how it is, because it has potential but for some reason still just completely sucks.
I'm gonna have to rant on google: *these are new thoughts just realized a minute ago* Google is definitely behind the ball in terms of what they're releasing. Google has always been out of touch with the people[/B. I'm only 20 but I was able to pick this up over the last couple years. They suck at knowing what people want, or at least are too hung up with their own projections that they don't see the people in which they're serving. You can tell google doesn't know what they're doing because you see it in everything they do. Example 1) Changing Android Market to Google Play Store. Obviously, there are plenty of reasons for them to do that (main probably being to get their name out - not everyone knows android is google based, and also to put all their apps into one [google music, google books, ect]), but they could have done that without changing the name to something EVERYONE HATES. Example 2) Google chrome (desktop). I use Chrome on my home PC. It's really fast. Other than that, I hate everything about it. The interface is styled, but looks like it was organized by an amateur, and is poorly structured. Functinoality is splintered and not well thought out. Firefox beats it in every single category, except for performance. Wish I could go back to firefox. Example 3) Chrome (Mobile), this app is unstable, and probably the slowest browser on the market...and yet it is the only video playing browser available on JB (no flash anymore)... Firefox BETA is 300% more stable than chrome's Non Beta app.
GB was fine, but ICS's regression is total bull (and I'm not talking to official update - samsung), and honestly as mentioned above it is just debasing them for the future. Honestly, I had an itouch for a couple years, and have used countless friends iphones over the years, so I know what it's like. Just the simple fact that going back to MIUI GB has made me the happiest I've been in a while...is saying something. I hate to be the ass who brings up negative things, but if they had been doing things right in the first place, things wouldn't have to be mentioned. I'm not too picky, but I do demand quality. Although I've never even considered it in the past, I'm looking forward to seeing what they're rolling out for the iphone 5, cus it may actually make a difference in my next phone.
sahibunlimited said:
We already had these kind of threads before
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I saw one, but it does not discuss the same thing..it meerly has the same subject. This thread heads in a much different direction, also the former post is outdated with the progression of ICS currently.
LastStandingDroid said:
i will downgrade to 2.3.3 if there isn't a newer 2.3.x of Nee which i believe there is but i ain't finding them
i downgrading due to lockscreen stopped work on Stock ICS but it seems to be working on gingerbread
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You may find one! I know finding official releases past 4.x.x is hard. WIUI is pulling from somewhere though, I know that. Could be it's all just his own input.
Dark Emotion said:
The only reason why I am on ics is that I can not connect to my college's wifi network... On ics wifi works fine...
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I know ICS has better range for WIFI, other than that I don't know the actual differences.
*Sorry for long post*
It is not the range, it is wpa2 thing...
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Oh no!! This thread is killing me for going back to Gb. Damn damn damn....
Sliding answering options, fantastic lockscreen, system wide font synchronization, what more I am missing....God knows....!!
i never use GB on my phone it came with ICS out of box but i want to try it, stock and custom just wanna see how different it is performance wise.
ithehappy said:
Oh no!! This thread is killing me for going back to Gb. Damn damn damn....
Sliding answering options, fantastic lockscreen, system wide font synchronization, what more I am missing....God knows....!!
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Lol I hope you're not trolling. Honestly I doubt GB has much of anything that ICS doesn't have. Except ICS option menu is dumb (although samsung's gb is RETARDED), and GB has more simple, intuitive button layout (delete, menu key layout, etc.)
heavens dragon said:
i never use GB on my phone it came with ICS out of box but i want to try it, stock and custom just wanna see how different it is performance wise.
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Yeah I mean if you haven't rooted yet you're definitely missing out on like 50+ roms to try. There's plenty of different categories and types. You'll probably be amazed when you flash one of the latest (or last) GB build roms. They're blazing. Ady MIUI is like iOS on steroids. Cept the battery is meh. That's the only problem. And of course GB seems outdated now, but it's still got higher usability, imo. Part of what kills ICS is it takes so much longer for you to do things on your phone. I bet it drives up screen on time
VanillaCracker said:
Lol I hope you're not trolling.
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Whatever I do, I'll never troll.
after brick my phone with the so called chip bug and change the mb after paying 100 with the same chip with a bug, flashing XWLPO and then XWLPT I decided to go back to 2.3.4. My battery last +2 days (everything disabled and underclocked) and everything looks smooth enogh for me. If you want a cool interface like ICS has (I see no reason at all to run ICS other than the interface) just install the free version of Go Launcher
Yeah I mean if you haven't rooted yet you're definitely missing out on like 50+ roms to try. There's plenty of different categories and types. You'll probably be amazed when you flash one of the latest (or last) GB build roms. They're blazing. Ady MIUI is like iOS on steroids. Cept the battery is meh. That's the only problem. And of course GB seems outdated now, but it's still got higher usability, imo. Part of what kills ICS is it takes so much longer for you to do things on your phone. I bet it drives up screen on time
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no my phone is rooted and i already flashed custom roms for more then 10 times( all ics expect 2 latest build of cmx) not a big fan of ios looks but im looking forward to try out other gb roms, but im keep coming back to stock based roms just b'coz of camera and that is wht i really want to see in stock gb : camera
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ithehappy said:
Whatever I do, I'll never troll.
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Good to hear it :good:
heavens dragon said:
no my phone is rooted and i already flashed custom roms for more then 10 times( all ics expect 2 latest build of cmx) not a big fan of ios looks but im looking forward to try out other gb roms, but im keep coming back to stock based roms just b'coz of camera and that is wht i really want to see in stock gb : camera
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Oh I gotcha. Yeah honestly stock camera blows all the other cameras away. Stock ICS camera is pretty decent too, but the button on stock gb is the best. feels more secure, and focus is instantaneous with press. MIUI (GB) is decent too except I found the quality a little worse and instant focus a little less accurate. Anti-shake is terrible on MIUI camera too.
Wow GB. Amazing memories .I think the best GB was XXKI4. But what can I know... I had GB for 2 or 3 months since this year's winter and then Boom! Boot loop. You know why guys?? I had brand XWKI4 and there were battery mods for XXKI4.So I flashed those ;p. And then came XXLPS.Now I am on LQ7 but It's not the same. Thanks bro I was waiting for man wich will lead me to GB. BTW first rom for SGS2 is XWKDD so?! Coman guys we have Gingerbread to flash
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can someone link the "best" (in his eyes) gb roms ?
i would love to try a few if they are really faster than ics (smoother).
was so close to try cm10 but so much stuff needs to be fixed...
for me the most important thing would be cam and a smooth feeling.
and can i use nova launcher prime on gb (is it looking the same?)
i never tried gb (my s2 came with ics, so....)
I haven't used GB since I got my S2, but I used it exclusively on my original S. When I moved from phone to phone I found the speed increase of GB on an S to ICS on my S2 simply mind blowing. I know it's nearly a 200% processor boost, but still. Now I'm using JellyBean. I get a full day of near constant use with an extended battery. (I'm a teen, we text all the time, so it gets a pretty heavy workout.) and the speed BLOWS AWAY Gingerbread and ICS without question.
So no, I don't miss it personally. And I'm using SwiftKey, which is an absolute dream. Way better than any stock kb I've ever used.
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