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Bi-winning or Trigger

Hi everyone,
I'm using Trigger rom for my phone. But Bi-winning rom is already issued. Both of them from EDT, and i like them. Just now, i'm so confuse to choose Trigger or Bi-Winning. Please tell me the suggestion. Thanks.
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I was using Trigger before I got FFC, then I switched to Bi-winning coz I don't need to flash more mods to have the FFC support.
Frankly speaking, I can't really tell the difference in terms of speed and power. Both are smooth as butter, fast and gorgeous. Just pick the one you like.

2.2.1 rom's are nice, and bi-winning is my fav of them.
That said, I'm reverting to Trigger as it's 100% perfect. Others just seem to have hiccups, for me. I can't stand the browser showing transparency when scrolling on bi-winning (maybe just me?)

While I'm still more than happy with Loki, I'd like to hear what else folks, who have tried these two EDT ROMS, have to say about them too.

What are the differences between TeamWhiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 and EDT's Trigger?

JD76 said:
What are the differences between TeamWhiskey's Bionix 1.3.1 and EDT's Trigger?
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For me, Trigger is more smooth and way better on battery life.
Bionix is nice, but it has a sturdy feel to it instead of smooth, might just be me tho.
Trigger gets updated constantly, but when there is an update to Bionix, it's usually something big(thats what she said).

Thank you for your feedback. Its time to try Trigger...

Bi-winning's browser (and probably every 2.2.1 browser, I imagine) is hardware accelerated. So it is faster than Trigger's when it comes to pinch zooming, scrolling heavy websites, etc. It has tiny little glitches, mostly dealing with pages that pop up non-maximized, but I rather deal with that and have the way faster browser than the other way around.

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Bi-winning's browser (and probably every 2.2.1 browser, I imagine) is hardware accelerated. So it is faster than Trigger's when it comes to pinch zooming, scrolling heavy websites, etc. It has tiny little glitches, mostly dealing with pages that pop up non-maximized, but I rather deal with that and have the way faster browser than the other way around.
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Interesting, i really disliked the browser on Bi-Winning... just seemed glitchy to me. Never noticed it on Trigger or CM7.

I want to talk about battery life and smooth. Which is better than? Anyone tried? Just tell me your opinion.
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It works great for me. If I go to engadget.com on a 2.2 browser, the full site that is, it lags a whole lot when scrolling. even the forums here at XDA, the main forum view, lags a lot in 2.2, but it is a lot smoother in 2.2.1. Other sites I can think of are as.com, ablogtoread.com, among others. A blog to read is pretty much unusable in 2.2.
I used trigger for a while, and it is as good as 2.2 will get IMO. But 2.2.1 is worth it for the browser alone (save for the one aforementioned glitch, the pages that pop up when you click on a link, but they are on top of the previous page, which are pretty glitchy).

Do Thai Ngoc said:
I want to talk about battery life and smooth. Which is better than? Anyone tried? Just tell me your opinion.
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I've tried them all, and so should you.... you and your phone are going to determine what is best. From what you said, I would try Trigger first.

I'm with bi-winning for the browser acceleration. I prefer trigger because I don't have a front facing camera but right now the browsing experience is keeping me on bi-winning.
I might try some of the other 2.2.1 offerings and see if that have that annoying ffc buttons all over when I find the time.

Bi-Winning has Chinese Language support which I prefer but in terms of perfection still Trigger is better.
Bi-Winning is still new compared with Trigger but I bet it will become one of the favorite vibrant ROM among the rest since the uniqueness of it is Chinese Language support.

For all people using the stock browser regardless of the version I highly recommend you check out Opera Mobile, the new version that came out it a huge improvement. It has hardware acceleration and much smoother than the stock browser for pinch to zoom and a lot of features that IMO should be included in the stock browser.
As far as roms go, I was using Team Whiskey roms (Nero 5 through Bionix 1.3.1) almost exclusively for a while, tried Trigger which was pretty good, but had some minor issues. I've flashed Bi-Winning v2 and I think it's the best of the roms I've tried so far. Of course YMMV so I'd try them both to see which you like better.

Will ICS eliminate all the lag with android?

Will it be smooth like the ipad, when ics comes? Ive tried the overcome rom and there is still a bit a jerkiness/lagginess when using the screen capture function, exiting in and out, flipping through pages etc.

No. Get an ipad if smooth scrolling homescreens are the most important feature on a tablet for you.

3.2 will give you that smoothness. i use adw launcher ex and it pretty much fixed any lag. also recommend using spareparts+ to speed up opening window.
doesnt hurt to oc either
if you're not going to contribute then you can just keep ur post to yourself slack04

Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.

Yes, ICS will bring hardware acceleration to the entire experience, should be a transformation.
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Answering the op question what lag? Sure if you have a slow device running top of the range os you will get lag
But since 3.2 I haven't seen any lag
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I think lag can be caused by many issues. For one, widgets with heavy graphics and constant refreshes can use up a lot of resources. There are also poorly made apps running in the background that may slow things down. I would just keep the homescreen as simple as possible if performance is a concern.

If ICS runs as smooth as it does on the Galaxy Nexus, yes, it will.
We will see it as soon as the first "complete" ROMs pop up, everything else is complete speculation.
3.2 made the tab a lot better, but still not completely lagfree in my opionion. Its response time varies from perfect (browser) to mediocre (app switcher - at least until its open).

Are you running on stock rom? I am running Task650 & Phantoms "In Paris" V5 OC'd to 1.4Gz with ADW launcher and it is pretty darn smooth even on Honeycomb 3.1. It will only get better with the 3.2 update coming in the near future. Check it out if you haven't already done so!

hardware acceleration in ICS improve performence allot , see alpha builds on the single core original galaxy tab 7 and HTC hd2 on youtube and you will see the big improvement in speed even with live wallpapers

Though it is true that ICS will have hardware acceleration, android will always lag at some point, seeing as it is an OS capable of being installed on a wide range of devices, and it can not be fully optimized for 1 device to make it lag-free.

derwinaero said:
Though it is true that ICS will have hardware acceleration, android will always lag at some point, seeing as it is an OS capable of being installed on a wide range of devices, and it can not be fully optimized for 1 device to make it lag-free.
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this is not 100% true , the kernel function is to make the hardware make use of the options in the software ,so that is why each device has its own kernel , thus with good kernel each device can benifit from the hardware acceleration on its way , so existance of (hardware acceleration ) with supported kernel should eliminate lag

Im using the overcome rom, isnt that the best if i want the smoothest experience possible?

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this is not 100% true , the kernel function is to make the hardware make use of the options in the software ,so that is why each device has its own kernel , thus with good kernel each device can benifit from the hardware acceleration on its way , so existance of (hardware acceleration ) with supported kernel should eliminate lag
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But many companies don't bother with a good kernel. They pretty much use "Does it boot? Get it out the door" as a mantra.
The reason iOS is so smooth is because Apple tests devices for months and months to make sure the user experience is great. They put user experience over anything else, even features. I still get terrible lag on 3.2 while using my GT8.9. But hopefully ICS will fix that. But I won't bet money that all the lag will be gone. There's just not much optimization there, and throwing more cores at the software isn't going to fix that.

task650 said:
Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.
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Same here, because of your ROM! OP, get on Task's ROM. And have a funeral for your tablet lag.

task650 said:
Everything you're asking can only be answered with speculation and dreams dude. I'm on 3.2 and don't see any of the lag you speak of.
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^^What he said...
Running GalaxyTask6.3 rom oc'd to 1.4ghz using adw ex launcher with boosted ics theme and it is SMOOTH as any apple device on the planet!
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Fasty12 said:
Im using the overcome rom, isnt that the best if i want the smoothest experience possible?
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Nope task650 v6.3 is the way to go
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3.2 was a nice upgrade in speed but after using ICS on my galaxy nexus I really can't wait for it to come to the tab 10.1 in one form or another.

The Galaxy Nexus does feel much smoother. Not sure if it's the hardware acceleration or just tighter code, but I'm eager to get ICS on my tab.
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i'm getting lag when flipping page's & application's as well .

Performance in ICS/CM9 roms

I am i right in thinking that these ICS roms use generic graphic libraries etc etc thus dont take full advantage of the performance of the phone?
So a gingerbread rom like nottachatrix will actually perform better, i know ICS has a different kernel and under the hood changes.
cheers

incorrect.

admanirv said:
I am i right in thinking that these ICS roms use generic graphic libraries etc etc thus dont take full advantage of the performance of the phone?
So a gingerbread rom like nottachatrix will actually perform better, i know ICS has a different kernel and under the hood changes.
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What? ICS is more powerfull than any blur rom...

way better than GB bro

I am using Kanged CM9 Alpha , and it is very smooth on my Atrix. Problems are camcorder is not working and HDMI out is choppy, but I rarely use these functions so it's ok for me

thaikinh said:
I am using Kanged CM9 Alpha , and it is very smooth on my Atrix. Problems are camcorder is not working and HDMI out is choppy, but I rarely use these functions so it's ok for me
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video playback (HW decoding) and flash player are what's holding me back.
On the rom that you tried, have you tried those functions?

Honestly, if I didn't have a lapdock I would be using jokesax build as my daily driver. It does everything I need it to do smoothly. Only problem is when you plug it in the lapdock, it's just an android tablet with no touch screen. Using that trackpad as your finger is not fun. Otherwise, the CM9 stuff is great.

Okay so the tegra drivers for ICS are present in the CM9 roms or is it some bespoke driver?
H/W decoding and camcorder are what keep me away from the ICS roms atm.
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Any custom can be good!
Correct me if Im wrong but as far as I can tell the big differences between ICS and GB are seen in stock roms.
And Custom Rom is USUALLY zipaligned, deodexed, converted to ext4.
Sometimes Developers (like notorious) build awesome mix of both, and put in they're own unique tweeks. Notorious's Neutrino 2.6 for instance runs graphics entirely from the GPU among some other tweeks, and you WILL NOT find a smoother faster rom. WILL NOT!
Now the only real ways we have to test out phones "performance" is with benchmarking apps like antutu and quandrant. But honestly their outcomes tend to vary so much, its hard to go by what they say.
But just so everyone knows, my best bechmark "score" on antutu was 7047 with cm7 oc'd to 1.45 (which is gingerbread by the way)
Ive benched every rom from all of Jokers cm9's, to every miui (GB&ICS) as well as all the CM7's and builds based off them (neutrino, morrisoftgen). Even BLUR based roms like dorians redpill and The Darkside by nottich.
All im saying is that I think both builds have the potential to be equally as powerful as the eachother.
PLEASE if Im completly wrong about ANY of this I would like to be corrected, but please make sure its with CORRECT information, lol.
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CM9 anTuTu
Also, the best score on antutu ive gotten on any one of the cm9 jokersax builds with faux 1.45 oc kernel was about 6900!
So, so far Custom GB roms are best so far according to benches

I think the gb rooms perform a little bit faster...using cm9 4.0 jokersax and its laggy opening my app drawer and little laggy moments too..cm7 was a little bit faster though imo
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure the ICS ROMs still aren't very good with 2D hardware acceleration. And that means 2D is still gonna be slow and jerky.

ICS
I am running with jokersax ics rom, it is great, and the performance is better than the OTA 2.3.5 from Bell.. it took a bit to get the bootloader unlocked, etc.. it seems like I flash roms daily now... Unfortunately, there are still bugs... the most utd rom does not seem to take pictures properly, causes the app to lock up, and the video cam is no usable at all.. :\ I have reverted back to the 0.3.3 rom, and it will take pictures... as far as 2d/3d games are concerned, I play world of goo, hot pursuit, angry birds space and they all run great...
Motorola has ics update in progress as we speak, and they should be rolling out in a couple months, which means any lost code or functions that are n/a now will be rippable from the official... so either way, you can use the ota now or get a taste of ICS with a few problems...
flashing only takes about 5 minutes anyhoo, so its not like you can't switch back and forth....
I find ICS to perform a little quicker, my 2 cents.

Performance
Personally I have used Jokersax's and turl's builds (using turl now, but downloading jokersax 0.4.4 now). Both have really very good performance, especially compared to stock, I would say they outperform it by a long way, but yea, 2D graphics aren't brilliant and the camera was borked (although jokersax has apparently fixed that). I would say definitely change to 4.0.4 just because it is the latest android version and everything about it is soo nice, no blur to bog it down and while I am sure that many 2.3 roms can perform better, sometimes, it is best to choose user experience.

im on turl's latest and find scrolling to be so utterly smooth on ics easily replicating the smooth scrolling experiene on iphone whereas GB always had that slight jittery scroll which always annoyed me. I use apex launcher which i find to be smoother than trebuchet and with that all in all id say performance seems smoother than back on GB

I'm using CM9 both on HPtouchpad and Atrix.
And I can say that Atrix's 2d acceleration is not perfect yet.
It is almost perfect when we scroll lists.
But not when we scroll home screen with wallpaper scroll option.
And some people will think that browser's acceleration is perfect,
but it is not yet when it comes to complex web page.
It can be even more faster. I found that when I used cm9 on hp touchpad.
(Of course, turl and jokersax are doing great job. We have to blame motorola and nvidia )

I find cm9 to work very well, although there are the browser issues mentioned elsewhere.
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Smoothness ICS

It seems like the biggest struggle with AOSP ICS is the smoothness.
I just got a chance to play with a GNexus for a while, and IT is supper laggy and stuttery, what the H is google doing?
What happened to gpu rendering and android finally "getting it right?"
Anyway, be understanding of our devs, because it looks like our AOSP ICS ports are originating from inferior code to start with.
thoughts?
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I have tested only Andromadus Audacity Beta 2 and Ice Cream SENSEwich Beta 4|Sense 4.0A One V|4.0.3|ONLINE and both seemed super smooth, not sure about battery life and future stuttering though.
Iam very satisfied with ILWT CM7.

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It seems like the biggest struggle with AOSP ICS is the smoothness.
I just got a chance to play with a GNexus for a while, and IT is supper laggy and stuttery, what the H is google doing?
What happened to gpu rendering and android finally "getting it right?"
Anyway, be understanding of our devs, because it looks like our AOSP ICS ports are originating from inferior code to start with.
thoughts?
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Which nexus? There are like 50 different types.

captainreynolds said:
Which nexus? There are like 50 different types.
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Galaxy nexus maybe
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captainreynolds said:
Which nexus? There are like 50 different types.
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Sorry, I assumed GNexus/GNex was the generally accepted short form for the Galaxy Nexus.
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palad1n said:
I have tested only Andromadus Audacity Beta 2 and Ice Cream SENSEwich Beta 4|Sense 4.0A One V|4.0.3|ONLINE and both seemed super smooth, not sure about battery life and future stuttering though.
Iam very satisfied with ILWT CM7.
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Yeah! That's why I specified "AOSP ICS" because sense 4 is how it *should* be.
I'm on ILWT myself. Great, smooth, stable rom!
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Andromadus Audacity Beta 2 is 100% smooth on the home screen. It's smooth like Sense 4 is.

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Andromadus Audacity Beta 2 is 100% smooth on the home screen. It's smooth like Sense 4 is.
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Awesome! I'm gonna try it right now. I'd say in this context that the Andromadus team has made the ROM smooth in spite of itself then lol
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I played with a Gnexus the other day and it was smooth beyond belief, in fact I have never seen a device run so well. Unlike Apple devices, android isn't idiot proof. You have too many things in the background and it's going to lag. The user has just as much an impact on device performance as the actual device.

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I played with a Gnexus the other day and it was smooth beyond belief, in fact I have never seen a device run so well. Unlike Apple devices, android isn't idiot proof. You have too many things in the background and it's going to lag. The user has just as much an impact on device performance as the actual device.
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Good to hear. I was feeling pretty cynical about it after trying this guys phone out. Was the phone rooted and running a custom rom or anything?
Who knows what this other guy had running on his phone that made it so laggy, but I'm glad to hear that's not always the case.
On a more positive note, Audacity B2 is really really nice now!
I actually doubt I'll be jumping back to GB after this. Totally impressed with our devs!
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i tried to reflash stock modified rom (virtuous sense) after almost four months on ICS and stock rom seems to me to have similar action speed (for example, app startup) and much more lags in transitions - scrolling etc.
So, i decided to stick with ICS.

Time to change rom

last time i tried a ICS or jellybean rom was about 5 or 6 months ago, they all looked promising but all had little quirks like gps problems , camera not great quality, audio etc etc, bluetooth. this kinda put me off them as i need my phones features to work.
Just wondering if any of the latest roms have managed to iron out these problems ? EG gps is important to me and works well in ARHD.
Id love to try the latest jellybean release but kinda worried ill start finding bugs again once i start using it.

Are you interested only in AOSP based or in Sense ROMS as well?

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Are you interested only in AOSP based or in Sense ROMS as well?
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Would like to try something other than sense based, tried sabsa for a while but didnt really get on with it, found ARHD faster and less laggy after a few days.

codefireX. There are a few small bugs but everything important works perfectly. You can try the CM10.1 nightlies too, but any bugs in those will depend on the CM team fixing them. The developer only builds from CM source and doesn't focus on bug fixes because his priority is codefireX.
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Thanks for that , gps is working good with this rom ?

Yes, it works very well. I get a quick lock with 8-11 satellites. Only problem for me is my GPS antenna cover which has become loose and I need to fix. Many people have this problem with the DHD/I4G. The ROM has no problem with GPS.
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michaelopolis said:
Would like to try something other than sense based, tried sabsa for a while but didnt really get on with it, found ARHD faster and less laggy after a few days.
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Try these;
1.) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778202
2.) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2003273

try Jelly Time rom it's stable

2 days ago I installed PACman v19.3. It's a JB rom, clean, fast interface (Trebuchet launcher), many settings to customize your device (overclocking CPU included). The only thing I had to install to get it fully working was KangBang kernel v2.4 to get my WiFi working.
So far, I'm really pleased with this rom, it runs much faster and smoother than Sense based roms and you have more RAM available for aplications (I'm always on around 250-350 mb free in RAM).

I've been using JellyTime for months and had no issues with it, now its moved onto 4.2 I think its amazing. I'm a heavy web and navigation user with Bluetooth and not had any major issues.
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I'm using cfx SR10,
I've solved gps problem with this hardware method:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1101066
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I sincerely recommend ViperDHD v2.1.1 I had the best ROM on your Desire HD everything works. Read the section of the ROMs. S all works.

ViperDHD might be a good choice if you want to simulate One X. But performance and quality wise (undersized rosie aka one x screen emulation, some poorly resized icons), its not so good when compared to other Sense4 ROMS.
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I really recommend taking a look at sci miui by a user. Been running it for about 2 weeks and its the smoothest rom I've ran, granted its based on gingerbread but If you want reliability you won't get much better
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I have been waiting for a stable JB ROM for a long time as well, but was continuously following the development and reviews of most of the ROMs.
Last week I've decided that it is time to try a JB ROM, because most of them reports very few or none issues.
I've installed JellyTime 6.1, and I have to say I'm extremely satisfied. It is rock stable, camera works perfectly, excellent audio quality, GPS had a little problem which was resolved by updating to the latest RADIO, and everything else just works great.
So the new Android 4.2 features were definitely worth the upgrade.

Like -SmOgER said, ViperDHD is a good ROM but has some laggs which get worse over time (just for me; may different for others).
I recommend using Sabsa Prime. Please try V12 first because it's Sense 4 Lite and quite fast. The current V13 is quite laggy but smoother than ViperDHD.
May you want to try Sabsa Prime V14 which will be uploaded in the minute I'm writing this.
If you want a Sense-Free Rom I' recommend this one http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2093845

Lags are not really a problem if you use supercharger from zeppelinrox and set the engine flush script on a scheduler to run from time to time.

Is there "developer options" in JellyTime 4.2?
I cannot find it in system settings.
Thanks.
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Yes. It's written in Jellytime OP:
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On 4.2 ROMs tap build number 7 times to access performance and developer settings they are hidden.
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klopsknoedel said:
Please try V12 first because it's Sense 4 Lite and quite fast. The current V13 is quite laggy but smoother than ViperDHD.
May you want to try Sabsa Prime V14 which will be uploaded in the minute I'm writing this.]
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Have you selected all performance mods in aroma? Try setting backgr process limit to 4 as well. For me, there is almost no lag at all. It's at least as fast as v12, if not faster
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