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Hey!
I've googled a bit and it may be just a rumor but who have also read there are technical specs like 1 ghz for gingerbread??
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Gingerbread not Android 3.0 ?
Gingerbread is 2.3....Honeycomb will probally be 3.0
its in development. nobody knows anything about the needed specs for gingerbread so just wait.
there are a few rumors, 512mb ram, 1ghz processor etc. , nothing else.
These spec rumors are only rumors. There is no evidance to support this.
Google can only outline a set of recommended requirements that manufactures should follow, they may recommend a 1ghz cpu, 512mb ram etc but we will only find out for sure when they publicly release it.
There was another thread where someone asked the same question and a very good answer was given, it's in this section and was only a few days ago.
LuckyPhil88 said:
Hey!
I've googled a bit and it may be just a rumor but who have also read there are technical specs like 1 ghz for gingerbread??
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Here's a kewl article
Gingerbread Coming November 11th?
TheLegendaryJay said:
Google can only outline a set of recommended requirements that manufactures should follow, they may recommend a 1ghz cpu, 512mb ram etc but we will only find out for sure when they publicly release it.
There was another thread where someone asked the same question and a very good answer was given, it's in this section and was only a few days ago.
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I suppose you're thinking of this thread in android development. (it should probably have been posted here in the first place).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=820844
At the AOSP kernel git for gingerbread, there's a build flag for msm7227 for the 2.6.35 branch. Someone at Google may be testing it. So there's a chance that gingerbread will run okay on the Legend, albeit without official support from HTC.
I bought my Galaxy SII, a few days back. At that time i had option to choose between I9100 and I9100G, as the vendor had both. So, i preferred I9100 over I9100G.
Many of you, may have got I9100G, recently, as it is the new stock available. Samsung is trying to replace the original SII, i.e. I9100 with I9100G, in the markets of INDIA, MALAYSIA & SINGAPORE.
This is to fulfill the demands of GALAXY SII, which has increased vastly. So, to fulfill the demand, before it dies out, SAMSUNG has quietly slipped I9100G version, which has PowerVR TI OMAP 4430 processor, and not the Exynos 4210.
So, what i have researched and found out is that, it is better, if you can get an I9100, before it extincts, instead of getting stuck with "G".
By no means, i am saying that, I9100G, is bad, what i am trying to say here is that, its not as good as I9100's Exynos.
Some major differences which i found out are:-
1. Galaxy SII I9100 will be the first in the GALAXY family, to get an ICS update.
2. Exynos processors still have huge RAW power.
3. The isuue is GPU used in I9100G has PowerVR540 TI OMAP 4430, at 300 MHz,which is single core and weak, compared to MALI400MP+, which is quadcore inside Exynos.
******I am talking about GPU, and not single or dual core CPU******
4. Regarding future updates, I9100G users may be isolated, as I9100G is not replacing original I9100 in EU, and so many other countries.
5. Also, the development support for I9100, is much much much greater than I9100G. As majority of the community still uses I9100.
6. The overheating problem is very less in I9100G, as compared to I9100.
7. Battery, too performs well in I9100G.
8. But, both overheating, and battery improvement, doesn't comes without cost. I9100G doesn't gets overheated, because its cpu is clocked max at 1.008 Ghz, unlike 1.2Ghz in I9100. Same, helps with improved battery.
Well, these were the major issues which i pointed out.
Also, here i am just trying to convey knowledge, which i gained to others.I have not posted this to decide whats superior, its just a comaprison.
Any Opinions, or views is warmly welcomed.
Nice post. I suggest you head to Indian Galaxy SII owner thread for more details.
The Indian I9100G got an official 2.3.6 update via Samsung KIES and I9100 DIDNT get any update. Its still stuck on 2.3.3 in India, where as most of the world got 2.3.6 1-2 weeks back. So in short, Samsung has stopped supporting FW update for I9100 via KIES and OTA.
Check the thread for more details. Members are posting Samsung India on Facebook, Twitter, their customer support chat etc etc. Only way to upgrade Indian I9100 is to flash European Firmware.
spoiltz said:
I bought my Galaxy SII, a few days back. At that time i had option to choose between I9100 and I9100G, as the vendor had both. So, i preferred I9100 over I9100G.
Many of you, may have got I9100G, recently, as it is the new stock available. Samsung is trying to replace the original SII, i.e. I9100 with I9100G, in the markets of INDIA, MALAYSIA & SINGAPORE.
This is to fulfill the demands of GALAXY SII, which has increased vastly. So, to fulfill the demand, before it dies out, SAMSUNG has quietly slipped I9100G version, which has PowerVR TI OMAP 4430 processor, and not the Exynos 4210.
So, what i have researched and found out is that, it is better, if you can get an I9100, before it extincts, instead of getting stuck with "G".
By no means, i am saying that, I9100G, is bad, what i am trying to say here is that, its not as good as I9100's Exynos.
Some major differences which i found out are:-
1. Galaxy SII I9100 will be the first in the GALAXY family, to get an ICS update.
2. Exynos processors still have huge RAW power.
3. The isuue is GPU used in I9100G has PowerVR540 TI OMAP 4430, at 300 MHz,which is single core and weak, compared to MALI400MP+, which is quadcore inside Exynos.
******I am talking about GPU, and not single or dual core CPU******
4. Regarding future updates, I9100G users may be isolated, as I9100G is not replacing original I9100 in EU, and so many other countries.
5. Also, the development support for I9100, is much much much greater than I9100G. As majority of the community still uses I9100.
6. The overheating problem is very less in I9100G, as compared to I9100.
7. Battery, too performs well in I9100G.
8. But, both overheating, and battery improvement, doesn't comes without cost. I9100G doesn't gets overheated, because its cpu is clocked max at 1.008 Ghz, unlike 1.2Ghz in I9100. Same, helps with improved battery.
Well, these were the major issues which i pointed out.
Also, here i am just trying to convey knowledge, which i gained to others.I have not posted this to decide whats superior, its just a comaprison.
Any Opinions, or views is warmly welcomed.
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I9100G is better for porting cyanogenmod etc.
TI is a very good Soc vendor
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^Yeah, that is a plus point of I9100G. The TI OMAP processor is very dev friendly, thanks to its source being released and its presence in many phones like Optimus 2X, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Moto Razr etc. This is one of the reasons why 2.3.6 update of I9100G was released earlier than I9100 in India. I bet ICS porting will also be easy as Galaxy Nexus is also using Ti OMAP (4460 instead of 4430) but same Power VR GPU.
Expect ports of all major ROMS soon. CM9 and MIUI ports are already confirmed.
Also, the I9100G sound quality is better than I9100, thanks to OMAP processor. We all know about the audio quality of S2 from the Anandtech article, which criticizes the Ymaha DAC used on I9100.
The Mali GPU isn't quad core, doesn't mean it says 4 cores its quad, e.g my amd gpu has 600 cores, so whats that?
The Mali GPU is a single core in the SGS2, it is better than the SGX543 which Apple A5 chip uses but has 2 SGX543 which is why it outperforms all GPU even Tegra 3 which atm is the best single GPU.
ambar_hitman said:
Nice post. I suggest you head to Indian Galaxy SII owner thread for more details.
The Indian I9100G got an official 2.3.6 update via Samsung KIES and I9100 DIDNT get any update. Its still stuck on 2.3.3 in India, where as most of the world got 2.3.6 1-2 weeks back. So in short, Samsung has stopped supporting FW update for I9100 via KIES and OTA.
Check the thread for more details. Members are posting Samsung India on Facebook, Twitter, their customer support chat etc etc. Only way to upgrade Indian I9100 is to flash European Firmware.
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The official support for indian i9100, is not closed.
Still, the phone will get ICS, confirmed it via Samsung India.
ambar_hitman said:
^Yeah, that is a plus point of I9100G. The TI OMAP processor is very dev friendly, thanks to its source being released and its presence in many phones like Optimus 2X, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus S, Moto Razr etc. This is one of the reasons why 2.3.6 update of I9100G was released earlier than I9100 in India. I bet ICS porting will also be easy as Galaxy Nexus is also using Ti OMAP (4460 instead of 4430) but same Power VR GPU.
Expect ports of all major ROMS soon. CM9 and MIUI ports are already confirmed.
Also, the I9100G sound quality is better than I9100, thanks to OMAP processor. We all know about the audio quality of S2 from the Anandtech article, which criticizes the Ymaha DAC used on I9100.
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Both the phones got pro's as well as con's.
I9100 still got better development support, as it is available in majority of countries. Whereas, I9100G will only be pushed to India, Vietnam, Malaysia & Singapore Markets.
Updates which are being developed, will be first pushed to I9100, as its community is vast.
It doesn't matters, if an update is being pushed to India or not.Actually, this is the point of us being here, that if we don't get something, and are not satisfied, we can look at development at xda. A EU firmware, or any other firmware, doesn't really matters.
Same thing applies, with I9100G, it really doesn't matters, what you have got with it, there is always development, as long as devs support it.
For now, I9100 got better support, as it was here from a long time. Now, that I9100G is here, it too will get supported.
Rest TI OMAP4430 PoverVR540, too is on par with Exynos 4210.
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
bala_gamer said:
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
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The thing is, to meet the demands of I9100, Samsung pushed I9100G, quietly, so that the demand doesn't dies out.
Also, as i was informed by the Samsung People, was that I9100G, will be available from now on.
malaysia
in my state, no more non-G version
spoiltz said:
The official support for indian i9100, is not closed.
Still, the phone will get ICS, confirmed it via Samsung India.
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Can you confirm why 2.3.6 or 2.3.5 or even 2.3.4 not released for I9100 in India?
Also, all online retailers selling I9100 have increased their prices in one day, hinting that I9100 stocks are limited.
I9100G replacing I9100 is not true, Until the stock arrives for I9100 , the"G" series will be replacing it.
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Unfortunately, most Asia-Pacific markets wont be having I9100 anymore. Its already stopped in Malaysia, even proper I9100G boxes are there. They announced it on their Facebook as well. Soon, it will be the same in India.
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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netchip said:
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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Wrong. The Exynos chipset is the fastest processor on a phone to date.
The OMAP4430 in the G is not anywhere near as good as the Exynos.
The Mali-400 is faster then the SGX540 by a mile.
The 9100G has inferior performance then the 9100.
khartaras said:
Wrong. The Exynos chipset is the fastest processor on a phone to date.
The OMAP4430 in the G is not anywhere near as good as the Exynos.
The Mali-400 is faster then the SGX540 by a mile.
The 9100G has inferior performance then the 9100.
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OMAP 4430 == OMAP 4460 the last one get 7000 antutu WITHOUT OCing, LOL
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netchip said:
OMAP 4430 == OMAP 4460 the last one get 7000 antutu WITHOUT OCing, LOL
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Guys, guys.... the thread really doesn't make sense if we get back at each other like this.
Being in a community, every one has right to express their views.Be it Wrong or Right.
netchip said:
OMAP is better than Samsung chipset.
Okay, the processor is almost equal to Exynos.
Only Mali 400 is beating SGX540 (I've it good?).
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U are right buddy, Mali 400 beats SGX540.
Also, Exynos was the chipset designed for best phones of samsung. TI OMAP, is comparitively not so new, and nxt gen.
I've seen Mali lose in some open gl benchmarks to sgx 540 in the optimus 3D an when it does beat Mali its not by a lot an I think To has best gpus that's y Samsung used it in the Og Galaxy
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And here i was worrying so much that ive gotten myself a i9100g. After hearing that the CPU was only clocked at 1ghz, and was built with a completely different chipset, i felt cheated. I was also worried about the amount of DEV support that my phone would be receiving...But after reading this thread a little i guess it gave me some confidence in my phone
Is there a reason why the i9100g version was only clocked at 1gz? because ive clocked it to 1.2ghz most of the time...im afraid that might cause problem
Im from Malaysia here.. its a quite a debate seeing galaxy nexus potential users saying the exynos aint that superb compared to the G variant.. but im not seeing any ICS yet to it despite it having omap just like galaxy nexus itself..
And they compared about the DAC.. is yamaha dac is that bad and is the one in the G variant is damn good till voodoo sound applicable? Thats a debate indeed
I own a 9100 non G and happy with the support it has from the devs for now.. best to say that for now if ur flashing custom roms and kernel, go for the original sgs2 instead of the G variant.. thats all.. the rest is too argumentative
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hakgao said:
And here i was worrying so much that ive gotten myself a i9100g. After hearing that the CPU was only clocked at 1ghz, and was built with a completely different chipset, i felt cheated. I was also worried about the amount of DEV support that my phone would be receiving...But after reading this thread a little i guess it gave me some confidence in my phone
Is there a reason why the i9100g version was only clocked at 1gz? because ive clocked it to 1.2ghz most of the time...im afraid that might cause problem
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I9100G , is clocked at 1ghz, is a good thing for "G".
It doesn't overheats, easily, as I9100 variant.
Also, the battery life is better.
https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...-optimization-adreno/8081?page=3#comment-6715
Arm v6 is now supported to!
https://developer.qualcomm.com/deve...phics-optimization-adreno/tools-and-resources
Every Arm v7 device with the Adreno 2xx is supported!
Re: QSD 8250, Adreno 200 hardware-related proprietary ...
In order to provide enthusiasts with recent improvements made to Snapdragon's Adreno graphics drivers, Qualcomm has made the updated Adreno 2xx graphics driver binaries available here. Note that you will most likely need to be a developer to take advantage of these new drivers since they'll require integration with the CAF release of ICS, but Qualcomm is providing these driver binaries "as is" to those of you who have requested them.
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Here are the drivers for the Adreno 200!
https://developer.qualcomm.com/download/adreno200-aulinuxandroidicschococs04000306001.targz
https://developer.qualcomm.com/deve...phics-optimization-adreno/tools-and-resources
Hope that developers can put these in their roms so we have a nice working ICS machine!
Phones which are using the Adreno 200:
QSD8250 ARMv7 1 GHz Scorpion Adreno 200
Acer Stream/Liquid, Acer neoTouch S200, Dell Venue Pro (Lightning), Dell Streak, Fujitsu Toshiba Mobile REGZA Phone T-01C, HP Compaq AirLife 100, HTC Desire, HTC HD2, HTC 7 Mozart, HTC 7 Surround, HTC 7 Trophy, HTC HD7, HTC 7 Pro, Google Nexus One, Huawei SmaKit S7, Lenovo LePhone, LG eXpo, LG Optimus Q, LG Optimus Z, LG Quantum, LG Panther, Pantech IM-A600S, Pantech IM-A650S, Sharp LYNX SH-10B, Sharp LYNX 3D SH-03C, Samsung Focus, Samsung Omnia 7, Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, Toshiba dynapocket T-01B/KG01, Toshiba TG01/TG02/TG03.
QSD8650 ARMv7 1 GHz Scorpion Adreno 200
Fujitsu Toshiba Mobile REGZA Phone IS04(TSI04), Fujitsu Toshiba Mobile T006(TS006)/iida X-RAY(TSX06), HTC Arrive, HTC Droid Incredible, HTC Supersonic/EVO 4G, LG Apollo GW990, LG Fathom VS750, LG GW820 eXpo, LG GW825 IQ, LG Optimus 7, Sharp IS01(SHI01)/IS03(SHI03)/, Sony Ericsson S004(SO004)/S005(SO005)/S006(SO006)/iida G11(SOX02)/S007(SO007), Toshiba dynapocket IS02(TSI01)/K01, Toshiba T004(TS004), Pantech SIRIUS α IS06(PTI06), Kyocera Echo, 4Geek Horus, Fujitsu Toshiba Mobile T007(TS007), Fujitsu Toshiba Mobile T008(TS008), NEC Casio CA007, Kyocera K009(KY009), Fujitsu F001(FJ001), Sony Ericsson ARBANO AFFARE(SOY05)
And a lot more devices!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
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kevinwalter said:
https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...-optimization-adreno/8081?page=3#comment-6715
Here are the drivers for the Adreno 200!
https://developer.qualcomm.com/download/adreno200-aulinuxandroidicschococs04000306001.targz
https://developer.qualcomm.com/deve...phics-optimization-adreno/tools-and-resources
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Gonna check it out soon! Thanks for sharing.
kevinwalter said:
https://developer.qualcomm.com/foru...-optimization-adreno/8081?page=3#comment-6715
Here are the drivers for the Adreno 200!
https://developer.qualcomm.com/download/adreno200-aulinuxandroidicschococs04000306001.targz
https://developer.qualcomm.com/deve...phics-optimization-adreno/tools-and-resources
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hehe,I can see, is being tested...Thanks a lot
kinghunki said:
hehe,I can see, is being tested...Thanks a lot
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Hope that the developers now can make smooth roms!
If its the real good stuff, then pushing the adreno libs will make your system not boot
could anyone with more knowledge explain what this exactly means?
yeah, I hope for better HWA (in ICS), of course, but is this right? what exactly are developers able to do with these?
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...they'll require integration with the CAF release of ICS, but Qualcomm is providing these driver binaries "as is" to those of you who have requested them.
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\o/
Afaik ics couldve been smoothed out for qsd8250 awhile ago (like last year lol)
i thought that was not true hardware acceleration
meaning, its fake
and now we are able to fully do it
Great find, Kevin. I have moved your thread to Android Software Development and left a long redirect so that more people can learn about this, as it impacts all devices with the Adreno 200 GPU, not just the HD2.
Edit: I have featured this thread on the XDA front page. Again, great find, Kevin!
jcsy said:
i thought that was not true hardware acceleration
meaning, its fake
and now we are able to fully do it
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it is "fake", as like ugly-ass hack.
My question - to someone who knows such stuff - was does it really mean we finally get full ICS HWA?
edit: woah, seems to be greater than I thought, thread moved. I'll keep my fingers crossed for the HD2 :>
Great news, HD2 (+1 life)
Rando81 said:
Great news, HD2 (+1 life)
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Indeed. Although, you could say that the HD2 has already had far more than the rhetorical 9 lives, given how many operating systems have been ported to it and how much active development it still sees almost two-and-a-half years later.
Full HWA for my Droid Incredible? HELL YEAH!
willverduzco said:
Great find, Kevin. I have moved your thread to Android Software Development and left a long redirect so that more people can learn about this, as it impacts all devices with the Adreno 200 GPU, not just the HD2.
Edit: I have featured this thread on the XDA front page. Again, great find, Kevin!
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That's really nice! Thank you
Here is a list of mobile phones which is using the Adreno 200 also!
http://pastebin.com/Ri1UVuK6
kevinwalter said:
That's really nice! Thank you
Here is a list of mobile phones which is using the Adreno 200 also!
http://pastebin.com/Ri1UVuK6
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Isn't it all 2XX devices? It a hell lot more
the_maker said:
Isn't it all 2XX devices? It a hell lot more
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Jep!
a lot more are supported. I could not find a list with all 2xx devices on it.
More lists are welcome
kevinwalter said:
Jep!
a lot more are supported. I could not find a list with all 2xx devices on it.
More lists are welcome
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This is the whole list of HTC devices.. The chipset is listed, just is too big to read it and copy-paste it. If someone wants to find its HTC device, here is the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_HTC_phones
thats amazing news for xda
and got to say:
Qualcomm, Thank You!
WOA! this means Cyanogenmod 9 has become 90% more likely for a f*cking huge load of devices out there!
thank you qualcomm
Is this gonna help the HD2's ICS camera?
Samsung Exynos processors are power clocked to churn extreme processing.
But what's the difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm processors that are glued on Note 2.
Who's the beast and who's the cheetah Please help me, clarify the doubt.
THANKS • JB • XD/\PP
I think the exynos is the best in it's class, always has been.
VR.gtmini said:
Samsung Exynos processors are power clocked to churn extreme processing.
But what's the difference between the Exynos and Qualcomm processors that are glued on Note 2.
Who's the beast and who's the cheetah Please help me, clarify the doubt.
THANKS • JB • XD/\PP
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http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...vs-samsung-exynos-tablet-processor-benchmarks
or
http://www.google.co.in/#hl=en&scli...pw.r_qf.&fp=cbd186cbbddc8760&biw=1366&bih=673
The S4 Pro is a bit more advanced as it's architecture is newer than current exynos and wins most benchmarks, but I can't imagine any performance differences large enough you'd notice. They're close enough that optimization will be deciding factor...and it's probably correct to trust Sammy more with their own processors.
johnchad14 said:
The S4 Pro is a bit more advanced as it's architecture is newer than current exynos and wins most benchmarks, but I can't imagine any performance differences large enough you'd notice. They're close enough that optimization will be deciding factor...and it's probably correct to trust Sammy more with their own processors.
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This and the Exynos comes with a better DAC.
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Few months to go nd it will be s4 pro quad core vs exyones 5250 dual core
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I have an AT&T Note with the Qualcom hardware and an N7000 note with the Exynos hardware. To get the performance I want (no lag and good battery life), I had to root the Qualcom model and use custom ROMs. The unrooted N7000 international version runs with little lag and better battery life. It also has the hardware for FM Radio which I use all the time but no AT&T band 17 LTE.
I sincerely, hope that the AT&T Note II will have the Exynos Quad Core stuff from Samsung rather than the Qualcom hardware. You can perform all the benchmarks you want. They don't really mean that much. It's the total user experience that counts. Exynos delivers. If you want best benchmarks, buy one of the new HTC products. You'll be back to Samsung in no time.
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It's not even a question anymore. Samsung already stated in their press release that the US versions are coming with the exynos soc.
"Galaxy Note II marks the U.S. debut of Samsung’s Exynos™ 1.6 GHz quad-core processor optimized for LTE networks. It has 2GB of internal RAM; and comes with 16 GB of onboard file storage and supports up to 64GB of additional memory with a microSD® card."
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20276
It looks like from a development standpoint, Qualcomms Snapdragon SoC is the better choice.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31873214&postcount=7773
Judging by the comments on Google Play the top games have best compatibility and performance with Exynos versus Snapdragon.
mi7chy said:
Judging by the comments on Google Play the top games have best compatibility and performance with Exynos versus Snapdragon.
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And the most compatibility and assortment of games come from imagination technologies gpus. I want me some rogue already.
will key lime pie add another row of apps to my homescreen?
iahk said:
It's not even a question anymore. Samsung already stated in their press release that the US versions are coming with the exynos soc.
"Galaxy Note II marks the U.S. debut of Samsung’s Exynos™ 1.6 GHz quad-core processor optimized for LTE networks. It has 2GB of internal RAM; and comes with 16 GB of onboard file storage and supports up to 64GB of additional memory with a microSD® card."
http://www.samsung.com/us/news/20276
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I saw this but will believe it when I see it. AT&T has had a sad history of removing features from Samsung's phones. It began with the AT&T Captivate which was a Galaxy S sans the front facing camera and the FM radio. I had to buy the Canadian Galaxy S Vibrant to get these features and have the phone work on AT&T's 3G network. (I still have this phone with it's hummingbird processor which was the predecessor to Exynos. It is running Cyanogen 10 extremely well with all features working.)
When the Galaxy SII came out for AT&T there was no FM radio or it was disabled. I bought the international version with Exynos hardware in which Samsung had put the appropriate radios for AT&T 3G and the FM radio.
I did not buy the SIII from AT&T for exactly the same reason - it had the Qualcom hardware without the FM radio. Don't get me wrong, the Qualcom hardware us good; it's just not the best. It may be easier for developers to hack. However, Samsung has done a great job of frequently updating its software for the international Exynos packing models of its phones. Samsung's software running on the Exynos hardware is arguably better than any custom ROM especially for the Note. My international Note is running the very latest stock German ROM from Samsung. It runs almost as fast as my AT&T Note that is running some of the best custom ROMs, but all the features work perfectly including the S-Pen apps and Samsung's S-Planner apps which are the best task/scheduling apps I've seen to date.
God bless Samsung for it's amazing I-Phone killing products and it's ability to hopefully, finally keep AT&T from dumbing down its US offerings.
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rambo6 said:
I saw this but will believe it when I see it. AT&T has had a sad history of removing features from Samsung's phones. It began with the AT&T Captivate which was a Galaxy S sans the front facing camera and the FM radio. I had to buy the Canadian Galaxy S Vibrant to get these features and have the phone work on AT&T's 3G network. (I still have this phone with it's hummingbird processor which was the predecessor to Exynos. It is running Cyanogen 10 extremely well with all features working.)
When the Galaxy SII came out for AT&T there was no FM radio or it was disabled. I bought the international version with Exynos hardware in which Samsung had put the appropriate radios for AT&T 3G and the FM radio.
I did not buy the SIII from AT&T for exactly the same reason - it had the Qualcom hardware without the FM radio. Don't get me wrong, the Qualcom hardware us good; it's just not the best. It may be easier for developers to hack. However, Samsung has done a great job of frequently updating its software for the international Exynos packing models of its phones. Samsung's software running on the Exynos hardware is arguably better than any custom ROM especially for the Note. My international Note is running the very latest stock German ROM from Samsung. It runs almost as fast as my AT&T Note that is running some of the best custom ROMs, but all the features work perfectly including the S-Pen apps and Samsung's S-Planner apps which are the best task/scheduling apps I've seen to date.
God bless Samsung for it's amazing I-Phone killing products and it's ability to hopefully, finally keep AT&T from dumbing down its US offerings.
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It's one thing to remove an app its another to swap an entire cpu architecture. The only reason the cpu difference was there for the gs3 was due to wireless incompatibility issues. Now that the chips support our lte infrastructure, we will see identical hardware sans maybe body color as the international version.
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I'm about 50/50 on the AT&T Note II.
Positives:
It's the evil I know - same SoC as I9300, so most of the hard AOSP bringup work has been done already
Performance beast with one of the best screens available
Negatives:
Exynos is going to suck in terms of AOSP bringups when the next version of Android comes out. Look at the Exynos 4210 - No solid reliable ICS until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source. Look at 4412 - no solid reliable JB until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source.
If a device has reference platform source (CAF for Qcom, omapzoom for OMAP), it has a major advantage in terms of early AOSP bringup. Of course, this advantage is negated if the manufacturer diverges significantly from the reference source (HTC is notorious for this, so is Samsung - their handsets don't even remotely match what reference source does exist. So it's going to be bad news for AOSP work unless Samsung makes major changes. I see no evidence of this - they pride themselves in withholding documentation and source code. Hell, they barely even bother with GPL compliance, at least 50% of their source releases don't even remotely match the shipping kernels on the device. (See the Tab 2 source fiasco, no Note 10.1 source drop matches any shipped kernel and in fact none of them have a reliable wifi driver, I9300 update5 source has Mali r3p0 drivers but the first Kies deployment has r2p4 drivers...)
AT&T in general... I may hold off on LTE phones until more is known about whether Straight Talk will allow the LTE capabilities of AT&T's network to be used. (My current plan is to ditch AT&T as soon as my contract is up...)
Man, i wish the oem's would get on the ics/jb train already. Finding a great phone with the software navigation buttons is tricky. Sony and asus are on board, but sony has a couple shortcomings with battery life and phone design and asus needs to release official specs on padfone 2 to seriously consider. Samsung needs to ditch the physical button already. I think they have made enough noise and made some appler's turn their heads for a second. Samsung drop the button and get with the aosp program already! Damn koreans.
will key lime pie add another row of apps to my homescreen?
Man when would this Samsung, te4(exyones5250) device release I want to see it perform
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Entropy512 said:
I'm about 50/50 on the AT&T Note II.
Positives:
It's the evil I know - same SoC as I9300, so most of the hard AOSP bringup work has been done already
Performance beast with one of the best screens available
Negatives:
Exynos is going to suck in terms of AOSP bringups when the next version of Android comes out. Look at the Exynos 4210 - No solid reliable ICS until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source. Look at 4412 - no solid reliable JB until Samsung dropped blobs and kernel source.
If a device has reference platform source (CAF for Qcom, omapzoom for OMAP), it has a major advantage in terms of early AOSP bringup. Of course, this advantage is negated if the manufacturer diverges significantly from the reference source (HTC is notorious for this, so is Samsung - their handsets don't even remotely match what reference source does exist. So it's going to be bad news for AOSP work unless Samsung makes major changes. I see no evidence of this - they pride themselves in withholding documentation and source code. Hell, they barely even bother with GPL compliance, at least 50% of their source releases don't even remotely match the shipping kernels on the device. (See the Tab 2 source fiasco, no Note 10.1 source drop matches any shipped kernel and in fact none of them have a reliable wifi driver, I9300 update5 source has Mali r3p0 drivers but the first Kies deployment has r2p4 drivers...)
AT&T in general... I may hold off on LTE phones until more is known about whether Straight Talk will allow the LTE capabilities of AT&T's network to be used. (My current plan is to ditch AT&T as soon as my contract is up...)
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I do agree with this. It's much easier to hack and modify the Qualcom hardware. I'm running Flapjaxx's A0SP JB on my AT&T Note. It's awesome, however, I love Samsung's S-Pen and S-Planner software. I use my N7000 primarily for work with the latest stock ROM. I performs extremely well. I uswe the AT&T Note for goofing around. I wish I could put the S-Planner and S-Pen apps on an AOSP JB rom. Because the Note is so big, I like using the N7000 button on front to turn it on.
There's no doubt the Qualcom hardware has some advantages. However, for running a stock samsung ROM, the Exynos is hard to beat.
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Qualcomm is just good in benchmarks not in real life compared to Exynos
As you can see S3 US "Qualcomm Krait" gave higher scores in benchmarks as One S but actually it lags!
See from the 01:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByCdDVXCmQ
morning thunder said:
Qualcomm is just good in benchmarks not in real life compared to Exynos
As you can see S3 US "Qualcomm Krait" gave higher scores in benchmarks as One S but actually it lags!
See from the 01:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dByCdDVXCmQ
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Gpu sux on dual core s4
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Despite being 32nm Vs 28nm in my experience the Exynos quad has better battery life than the S4 dual core. I own an AT&T S3 and an Exynos one, and with identical use the international one runs cooler and gets 30+ minutes more screen-on time. Both of those things will likely come down to the High-potassium metal gate technology in the Exynos - less voltage leakage=more battery, less dispersal of leakage as heat.
SAN FRANCISCO: SMARTPHONE MAKER HTC said it will release a software update for its HTC One smartphone to enable support for OpenGL ES 3.0.
HTC will release its HTC One smartphone this week in the UK and it will be one of the first handsets to have a Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 quad-core system on chip (SoC) processor.
Have any of the ROM developers seen this as yet? Any examples?
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2257651/htc-one-will-get-opengl-es-30-support-video
awesome news mate, lets hope it improves the performance as well
ill post the link in the related thread thanks :good:
Interesting I like seeing HTC make commitments to improve the device, it fills me with confidence its not going to be another device forgotten and unsupported as soon as its demoted within the company
Anyone tried that game Qualcomm released to show off the power Snapdragon 600 http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...w-off-the-power-of-snapdragon-600-processors/
I look forward to seeing if there are any benchmark improvements. I am not sure if speed is the main benefit or just new effects/technology.
Real racing seems good on my One, what would the benefit of OpenGL ES 3.0 on that?
I strongly suspect existing benchmarks will be unaffected, let's hope I'm wrong. I guess we can expect better effects "for free".
BenPope said:
I strongly suspect existing benchmarks will be unaffected, let's hope I'm wrong. I guess we can expect better effects "for free".
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we have already discussed this in the related thread
and most conclusions came to be that upcoming drivers should improve GL results
in fact someone asked HTCdev over twitter and they responded they are working with qualcomm regarding GL performance
i see a very big chance you are wrong
hamdir said:
i see a very big chance you are wrong
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That's good news. Hopefully the current drivers are just crappy. I figured they would have been around a while though, long enough to have been reasonably well optimised. Always happy to be wrong.
BenPope said:
That's good news. Hopefully the current drivers are just crappy. I figured they would have been around a while though, long enough to have been reasonably well optimised. Always happy to be wrong.
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yes but HTC is still at 4.1.2
and the SGS4 with 4.2 is scoring a lot better on the same s600
so there a high chance they dont have the latest drivers
/var @jomaKern 19 Mar
@htcdev Are you expected OpenGL performance to increase, with the latest Qualcomm drivers for Jelly Bean 4.2?
HTCdev @htcdev 21 Mar
@jomaKern we are working with Qualcomm regarding OpenGL
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https://twitter.com/htcdev/status/314815543754510336
Oh of course, I forgot about that. Well, you know what? I can't wait to get my grubby mits on this phone!