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The "Ice Cream Sandwich Desire Z waiting" thread

Well, even though Samsung and Google have delayed their event, Ice Cream Sandwich is around the corner and the funny thing is that still nothing has been confirmed of its features.
Looking forward to it on your Desire Z?

It'll be nice, but I'm sure not much of a change for day to day use for me. I'm more excited about getting it on my Nook Color.

You should put desire z and g2. But I just want it to be released already. Have you seen the new ics video on the supposed nexus prime?
Sent from my HTC G2 using XDA app

98% sure it won't be released for our phones.

rmcsc said:
98% sure it won't be released for our phones.
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Definitely won't be released officially, but that's why we have CyanogenMod and other CM-derived ROMs

I still hope they think of us Desire owners.....
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Isn't there an update supposed to be coming for the DZ? Maybe we'll get the ICS with Sense 3.5...

I think they will . But have you guys downloaded the new ics music app just search for it on the forums. Looks similar to the honeycomb one just a few tweeks here and there
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rmcsc said:
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I smell Darwin Award....
We all know it wont be released for our phones.

I bought a Viewsonic gTablet and this was the same talk going on - No Honeycomb. Mods started to ban people whining about when HC would be ported to the gTab. I gave up hope and literally a month later, there was an alpha ROM and now there are 3-4 good HC ROMs out there. And I think Google didn't release the source code for it. So, I am sure we will get IS on our Zs!

rmcsc said:
98% sure it won't be released for our phones.
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Well obviously... But most people on XDA aren't waiting for official OTA updates lol. Go go CM8!!
ashwinmudigonda said:
I bought a Viewsonic gTablet and this was the same talk going on - No Honeycomb. Mods started to ban people whining about when HC would be ported to the gTab. I gave up hope and literally a month later, there was an alpha ROM and now there are 3-4 good HC ROMs out there. And I think Google didn't release the source code for it. So, I am sure we will get IS on our Zs!
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Well the issue there was no source code and probably a smaller community. It will be much easier when ICS source drops lol.

Im more excited about all the cool roms the devs are going to make based off ICS!
im sure cyanogenmod 8 will be he BOMB!

According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source

C.Flat said:
According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source
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Makes sense I guess, but I would think since CM8 never existed they'd just do CM8 for ICS.

Yea that would be awesome regardless of the naming scheme. I have yet to flash CM7 but for ICS I would do it in a heartbeat lol.

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According to Koush on G+ it will be CM9. Makes sense because Honeycomb wasn't open source
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Actually doesnt make sense but let the CM team do what they want....
In related news to CM, CM 7.1 final was released today

I would like to point out that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that there will not be a 4.0 upgrade available for HTC VISION. Need I remind you all that there was an official upgrade to Android 2.2 for HTC SAPPHIRE/MAGIC32B made almost exactly ONE YEAR AGO? Yes, approximately the exact same time that HTC VISION was initially made available.
Also remember that the 32B was a 192 MB RAM device where only 97 MB was actually available to Linux. This significant upgrade from Android 1.6 to 2.2 required some MEMORY REDISTRIBUTION via new SPL to increase the available RAM to 112 MB. HTC VISION is not starved for RAM as the 32B was. HTC VISION has plenty of space left within the system partition (in fact on mine, there are 262 MB of free space on /system of over 400 total -- clearly intended to leave space for upgrades). Unlike the 32B, the specifications of Vision are far more than adequate, and even with a device as limited as 32B, they made the upgrade.
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Actually doesnt make sense but let the CM team do what they want....
In related news to CM, CM 7.1 final was released today
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CM "team", as well as all the other rom cookers out there (yes, they are cookers, Android is written by Google, CM just cooks it and adds in a few goodies.) do a TERRIBLE job of versioning.​
I once suggested a much more sensible approach to versioning, which is used by many other downstream open source projects... but they threw a tantrum.
Versioning of Android ROMs should be as follows;
UPSTREAMNAME-UPSTREAMVERSION-DOWNSTREAMREVISION.DOWNSTREAMNAMEVERSION.ARCHITECTURE
Obviously ARCHITECTURE doesn't apply directly, but this could be replaced with DEVICE.
So.... CM7.1 for VISION should be versioned as
android-2.3.7-0.CM7.1.vision
With this, if they make a minor update (that they would normally call CM7.1.1), it would increment the DOWNSTREAMREVISION, so the new version would be android-2.3.7-1.CM7.1.vision.
I.e., the point here would be to keep the priority on the upstream version rather than downstream, because "android-2.3.7" is FAR more important than "CM7.1". Quite frankly, the "CM" version means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?

killj0y said:
Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?
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Not really.

dhkr234 said:
I would like to point out that there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that there will not be a 4.0 upgrade available for HTC VISION. Need I remind you all that there was an official upgrade to Android 2.2 for HTC SAPPHIRE/MAGIC32B made almost exactly ONE YEAR AGO? Yes, approximately the exact same time that HTC VISION was initially made available.
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That was a long time ago. Now, forget it. They already gave up one update. They wont give us another.
Besides HTC is problably planning a new version of Sense for Ice Cream Sandwich.
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Haven't heard anything amazing about ICS so far wish I had though. Any solid awesome rumors about improvements or features?
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Nothing. There is nothing confirmed for Ice Cream Sandwich at all. Google has had it tightly wrapped up.
The only thing we do know that it is Android 4.0
Besides that:
Facial recognition features, new APIs to reduce development fragmentation, a unification of phone and tablet UIs and its APIs.
Nothing else is confirmed with sources beside it.

Desire HD users have been left out

Hello my fellow HTC Desire HD users and developers.
My name is StJohn, I'm from South Africa.
I'm very dissapointed to see that we have been left behind in the ICS race.
Nexus one users are seeing progress with ICS, along with the desire users, and a couple others. The desire users already have a flashable ZIP...
So heres the big question:
Where is our ICS progress? Is there no developers working on one for us?
The Desire HD hardware is ahead of the desire, so thats not an excuse. And I
know theres no source code yet, but developers are making progress with the SDK just to give users a taste of ICS at least. I just want to see the same progress for the Desire HD users. Wheres our ICS?

Hi
Developers here tend to wait for the official release before doing anything like that. It saves a ton of hassle because theres less that will go wrong and less complaints and things.

If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it

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If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it
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Yep, Cyanogen is the most stock like custom ROM I know of, and if they can't make it yet, it must not be fit for general use.

raze599 said:
Yep, Cyanogen is the most stock like custom ROM I know of, and if they can't make it yet, it must not be fit for general use.
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While I agree with the point. CM mod is not really all that close to stock anymore. It has its own framework and built in mods. Nothing wring with it as I use a CM bases rom from time to time.
But I do agree with the fact they are wanting to wait for the source. The sdk is not enough to build anything worth releasing right now. Mainly with huge population of new to Modding people on XDA now. A couple of years ago I would have been all over the sdk as well and tossed something out there knowing that the people using it would be able to help with the loads of issues that it Will have for sure. Can't do that now. To many people blindly flashing with know real idea of what is going on and don't know how to give proper feedback and bug reports. Now I know this is just due to people being new and we were all new at once but now there are more people coming from an iPhone or this is there first smartphone and can't really release what we used to.

Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.

tomegranate said:
Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.
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good point, I believe the OP would need to contact CM's client service to complain

This should ease your concerns, https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd

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Considering that the Galaxy Nexus hasn't even been released yet, saying that DHD users have been left behind is totally ridiculous.
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+1
Remember assumptions are the mother of all F**K Ups

They have been trying. They have it booting but the touchscreen does not work so nothing can be done.

To be fair,its all different hardware niggles, the end of the day..you could have a dev release a rom...that has a hundred bugs and is generally ****. Gingerbread came out,which was good you could test it but really pissed you off in a way that there was no way to use it daily unless you fancied losing wifi or no bluetooth.
Patience is the key.Why are there so many threads about this **** lol its every time, i do also want to post numerous threads regarding this but patience. How has the hd been left behind anyway, we have had every release so far besides ice cream

i'm almost sure DHD won't get ICS... technicaly DHD could get an 2.3.4 or 2.3.5 official OTA anytime but HTC waits until ICS will hit Sensations. Just about one month before that, DHD will get 2.3.5 as final official update...
It was the same with Hero last year... when htc rolled 2.1 on HERO just before the 2.2 launch on the newer devices. It's all marketing and I'm sure the carriers are the key players... especially the ones in US. They are making the rules and the 2 years product rollout cycle.
I'm also pretty sure that HTC "supports" the "rooting and custom roms development"... as some kind of justice for the HTC hard core consumers...

One way or another ICS will come to the dhd... If its not official it will be a port or cyanogen.
But atm i'm really happy with the 2.3.5 runny rom^^ Lets just be a little patient!

brad808 said:
If cyanogen team isn't ready to make it, then I'm not ready to use it
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What he said.

cristeamax said:
i'm almost sure DHD won't get ICS...
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harrehk said:
This should ease your concerns, https://plus.google.com/105502178297258827378/posts/PxQ6cVjVdUd
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It's a two page thread. Come on.

The Sensation is getting ICS so I'm very sure the DHD will get it.
If you don't think so have more faith in devs on xda.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

in that 2 page thread it says
"New devices,i.e,Released after May 2011 will receive the updates prior to the old phones like Desire HD"
What that means? no ICS TO DHD? ?
did not understadn fully that thing there please explain?

All I want, and so many other people, is a taste of ICS, Just a test drive, I'm not asking for daily use, and the expression "left out" is referring to the SDK roms coming out, not the official source code or official release of ICS.
Just want to see some progress to a flashable ICS port, and now I am seeing that over at the development forum so this is good.

This may a ridiculous question (sorry in advance) but would any port of ICS still have the SRS settings for the music player?

Pruikki said:
in that 2 page thread it says
"New devices,i.e,Released after May 2011 will receive the updates prior to the old phones like Desire HD"
What that means? no ICS TO DHD? ?
did not understadn fully that thing there please explain?
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It means the newer phones will get it first.

Here comes ICS to EVO?

http://phandroid.com/2011/11/14/and...ode-available-now-cm9-work-begins-right-away/
Very excited for this!

You beat me by a few seconds. Lol I just read this on Phandroid.
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I hope to be eating an ICS for Thanksgiving!

Can't wait for the roms to start popping up...

cyanogen will get it first. Unless some people and I mean (the awesome team of developers on here) team up and shoot it out like there isn't a tomorrow.

Excited about my EVO again!!!

Can't wait! Having this on the EVO will make me resist upgrading for a while longer!

Waitin' for the EVO version

cohassetsteve said:
Waitin' for the EVO version
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I hope u mean the
unofficial
lol

Don't hold your breath...
I read elsewhere that even with 250gb+ of HD space and 16gb RAM were looking at 5+ hours to compile.
Not to mention all the tweaking that has to happen for the vanilla to work on specific devices.

Aaaahhhh can't wait. Too excited.
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I could see the first CM9 build around the end of December or Mid January. Patience is the key.

Cool
Can't wait

ICS Release
According to: source(dot)android.com (Upper right side of page)
ICS source has already been released.

nightauthor said:
According to: source(dot)android.com (Upper right side of page)
ICS source has already been released.
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Pretty sure that's what "Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich Source Code Available Now!" in the title of the article means
First post for you yay!

Everyone sounds confident that we'll be getting ICS on the Evo. Has there been any confirmation (by the Cyanogen team or otherwise) that this device was going to make the cut? It's getting a bit long in the tooth, phone-wise. I'd love to eek out a few more months of use out of it though. Best phone I've had so far.

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Everyone sounds confident that we'll be getting ICS on the Evo. Has there been any confirmation (by the Cyanogen team or otherwise) that this device was going to make the cut? It's getting a bit long in the tooth, phone-wise. I'd love to eek out a few more months of use out of it though. Best phone I've had so far.
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Cyanogenmod already said they'd work to develop an ICS build [CM 9] but refused to do so until official source was released, which it has been.

Right, but was the Evo 4G specifically mentioned as being supported? CM9 might not (probably won't) be available on all devices that CM7 supports.

It probably won't be supported on something like the Hero or older legacy devices which barely made the cut for CM7. I have a good feeling that the EVO will still get ICS because it hasn't had the life bled out of it yet like the G1 or other highly supported phones.

ive been waiting for this since honeycomb i am so excited and evo should make the cut its not to old of a device probably wont be an official release but still it works

CM9 FlowChart

For all Vision/G2 users that are unsure or doubting that we'll get ICS on our devices this should EASE YOUR MIND!

source for those wondering: https://plus.google.com/117962666888533781522/posts/XzbMYgotkmy
also, xda is a pretty demanding crowd; i don't know if 50% certainty will ease their minds

http://www.cyanogenmod.com/blog/progress-on-cm9
According to that post, the MSM7x30 chip is in their scope of support, so it's more likely than just 50%.

It's 75% according to comments. Even if there is no official support, there are always resourceful developers. I've been using CM7 on my Defy for a long time before official support came.

By the way, that flowchart was a semi-joke. It's not meant to be totally definitive, but it does give an idea as to CM9 main requirements - i.e. 512MB RAM and an ICS official release on a device with the same chipset.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.

It probably helps that we already have some fairly successful ICS builds on our devices. I've been running Andromadus v13 for a little while and it works really well. There are just a few things that need to be worked on (like the camera and gps lock). But for normal tasks, it runs really smoothly.

Yep, if no official CM9 ever comes Andromadus should be able to last me until my next phone.

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Yep, if no official CM9 ever comes Andromadus should be able to last me until my next phone.
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Agree, I never used the official CM (because of some personal opinions about them) and Icecream JIBwich based on Andromadus has been a fantastic G2 ICS ROM for me

I would personally break some **** if I couldn't get a official cm build. Just my reaction....
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i hope the qualcomm binary release helps fill the gap to get this device into the get.cm party.
if not... that sucks because andromedus roms are not sufficient for me unless i quit my job and no longer need to rely on dependable sync. otherwise its constant babysitting too many things.
Just wish i could know the answer now because im ready to ditch this device and move on to the next (but dont want to.. its a great gingerbread phone)
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androidcues said:
i hope the qualcomm binary release helps fill the gap to get this device into the get.cm party.
if not... that sucks because andromedus roms are not sufficient for me unless i quit my job and no longer need to rely on dependable sync. otherwise its constant babysitting too many things.
Just wish i could know the answer now because im ready to ditch this device and move on to the next (but dont want to.. its a great gingerbread phone)
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may I ask which binary release? Did they release anything related to the camera?

KyraOfFire said:
may I ask which binary release? Did they release anything related to the camera?
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No camera stuff, they released Adreno 2xx GPU drivers for ICS.
Sent from my Desire Z running CM7.

tarroyo said:
For all Vision/G2 users that are unsure or doubting that we'll get ICS on our devices this should EASE YOUR MIND!
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Does this mean the Razr has a 75% chance of getting CM9. Am I understanding this right?

Android 4.1 Jelly Bean

So Jelly Bean is coming. It has some really cool features. Looking forward to see it on our beloved G2. Is it even possible?
http://developer.android.com/about/versions/jelly-bean.html
It will also be launched for the Nexus S so the G2 should be capable of running it smothly!

It doesn't seem like that big of a jump compared to the leap from Gingerbread to 4.0. I think the devs will sort it out quickly :good:

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It doesn't seem like that big of a jump compared to the leap from Gingerbread to 4.0. I think the devs will sort it out quickly :good:
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I was thinking the same thing. I mean, that in no way is meant to imply it will be even slightly easy, but I think it will be easier than gingerbread to ICS Hopefully! I will be buying the Nexus 7 anyways so no big worries for a rush there, but I would still love to have it on my phone!

Project Butter improves Android 4.1's speed to a silky-smooth 60FPS
As part of its unveiling of Android 4.1 Jelly Bean, Google has unveiled Project Butter, a major effort to squash Android's frequent problems with device lag, as well as Systrace to help diagnose performance. Project Butter lets the CPU and graphics run in parallel, rather than crash into each other, and has a big impact on both real and perceived speed: the entire interface runs at 60 frames per second on sufficiently fast hardware. Graphics are now triple-buffered to keep scrolling and transitions humming along, and the processor will swing into full gear the moment you touch the screen to keep input lag to a minimum. Systrace, in the meantime, will help developers stamp out what performance hiccups remain. The tracing tool will be a part of the Jelly Bean SDK, so every coder can get an app running in tip-top shape.
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If the G2 is not officially getting ICS it wont get this. We still dont even have the official drivers needed for ICS, probably won't (we're waiting for the ones from the Desire HD to be released).
If there is one thing I learned from this experience is to get a Nexus device.

Thanks
Send From My Galaxy Gio and O2x

I'm really hoping that our talented G2 devs can at least get Jelly Bean on our devices. I'm not going to expect anything beyond that however, given the age of our phones. All that talk about Jelly Bean's "Project Butter" has me worried, though. The only major bugs left in our ICS roms are mostly graphics related (garbled text, random visual glitches), this may be a large roadblock for us.
For an "incremental" 0.1 update, they've packed quite a bit of improvements.

AndrewSP37 said:
I'm really hoping that our talented G2 devs can at least get Jelly Bean on our devices. I'm not going to expect anything beyond that however, given the age of our phones. All that talk about Jelly Bean's "Project Butter" has me worried, though. The only major bugs left in our ICS roms are mostly graphics related (garbled text, random visual glitches), this may be a large roadblock for us.
For an "incremental" 0.1 update, they've packed quite a bit of improvements.
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Wouldn't those updates be related to CPU scheduling stuff and other „interesting” parts like that ? I mean, if we get the graphics stack done for 4.0 (HTC, where is that goddamn Desire HD update ?!) it wouldn't be that much of a bother to add some optimizations here and there.
Alas, I am not a dev and no one has seen the source code yet. Better wait for the source to come out and someone to look at it before making assumptions

If the devs can get 4.0 working, 4.1 shouldn't be that big of a deal. We just REALLY need that Desire HD update to come out.

As someone else said, you would need the G2/Vision to get ICS officially before you can have much hope at all of it getting JellyBean. Though we got a lot of ICS roms for the G2 (With the exception of the camera working as well as GB) so who knows.

The Galaxy Nexus has already received an OTA for it :O
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xT4Z1N4TRx said:
The Galaxy Nexus has already received an OTA for it :O
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Well, it was said that it is the first device to receive Jelly Bean.

bogdan5844 said:
Well, it was said that it is the first device to receive Jelly Bean.
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I thought it would take a month or two though
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The Galaxy Nexus has already received an OTA for it :O
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What about the source code? When do they release that, i only see things about galaxy nexus will get half july and stuff.
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The Galaxy Nexus has already received an OTA for it :O
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Well it is a Nexus...

Afaik only google i/o galaxy nexus got the ota. I think that when every galaxy nexus gets the update the source code will be released
Don't you think it's a little bit too early? Cyanogen 10 when we don't have cyanogen 9 but for a few devices?
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Afaik only google i/o galaxy nexus got the ota. I think that when every galaxy nexus gets the update the source code will be released
Don't you think it's a little bit too early? Cyanogen 10 when we don't have cyanogen 9 but for a few devices?
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I think they will cal it cm9.1.
But since they named android 2.2 CM6 and 2.3 CM7 you maybe right.
To anwser your question: No it is not too early because devices with CM9 wont run any slower just because there is an beter and newer CM. So it will only speed up development. The only negative play here could be jealousy towards galaxy nexus users.

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I think they will cal it cm9.1.
But since they named android 2.2 CM6 and 2.3 CM7 you maybe right.
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The CM team has officially stated that their numbering scheme is tied to the code name. That's why they skipped CM8. It corresponded to Honeycomb, which they never ported.

I was wondering if the devs would consider polishing our 4.0 roms? I heard linaro Rom is very good.
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virtualflyer said:
Afaik only google i/o galaxy nexus got the ota. I think that when every galaxy nexus gets the update the source code will be released
Don't you think it's a little bit too early? Cyanogen 10 when we don't have cyanogen 9 but for a few devices?
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Yes I think you're right, but then i think they system dumped and then got a custom rom for all the others ?

Afaik only google i/o galaxy nexus got the ota. I think that when every galaxy nexus gets the update the source code will be released
Don't you think it's a little bit too early? Cyanogen 10 when we don't have cyanogen 9 but for a few devices?
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Not necessarily. Android updates tends to be updated every 6 months or so if I recall. ICS was late last year, so it kind of makes sense. My guess is that development has seemed slow for several reason.
1) Drastic changes, especially in the camera, from 2.3 to 4.0
2) Honeycomb never was truly "released", thus a gap that allowed Gingerbread to be polished.
3) CM servers were down for a while, possibly cutting into early nightlies for CM9.
I had a fourth point and now I can't remember it. Maybe something about manufacturers being slow this time around. I remember reading that it typically took manufacturers 60 days on average to update their devices after a release. Seems longer now (again, possibly with changes).
Maybe I'm completely off. I didn't join the Android team until 2.2 so I never knew the older versions. :laugh:
Edit: I quoted the wrong post