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Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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I suggest you ask T-Mobile directly....
Insurance fraud...
Theoretically you would be committing a crime. Not going to be an accessory.
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They can't"lock" it but I assume it'd be confusing if you both had the same sim card...but if she has a T-Mobile similar card of her own with data plans and etc yes it would work and T-Mobile wouldn't find out this is similar to buying the vibrant for $500 without the Contract.
So yes. Do what I said and it will work
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Your Sooooo Smart
Something to think about however. [Side note: I love how stupid criminals always post there illegal activities publicly and get caught. I will be listening for this one on my local radio station's "To stupid to live" spot in the near future.]
You post this in a VERY public VERY highly trafficed public forum frequented by both developers and T-Mobile employees. You used your normal account that already has your location (Bakersfield), 10 prior posts, and (via a warrant that you gave cause for with you original post) log files that tie you to your IP address with dates and times of every time you visit this site. Surely most if not all of those IP addresses (assuming they are dynamic and actually change) all belong to the same ISP who can easily look at there records and see which subscriber had the IP address at those times. Your ISP has your real name, address, phone number etc.
Two warrants later and the circumstantial evidence just became concrete enough to convict you.
But please, tell us more of your theoretical plan.
Nothing will happen, I done it with a few phones from tmobile. One thing though they wont send you the phone completly free, you will pay something like $50
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Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping...
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To start with this crap makes the cost of products go up for the ready off us that don't game the system...but hey, go for it, see of you get caught.
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mikaeldalc said:
Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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I hope they use your cell phone imei and prosecute you
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I hope they use your cell phone imei and prosecute you
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Oh Snap! I totally missed the "Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App" part when I explained earlier exactly how they wold find him. The ID10T actually sent this crap from his phone!! When his girlfriend uses the "LOST" phone they can bust them both.
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I wont go into a big long post about how your theory is wrong (criminal), or how you will be caught its been covered. Oh wait nobody mentioned karma. I'll just say that its people like you that make it hard for the rest of us. First you drive up prices. Second you make it so that people with legitimate claims have to jump through hoops. So go ahead on with your fraud I for one know that if you go ahead with your scheme karma will catch up.
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Something to think about however. [Side note: I love how stupid criminals always post there illegal activities publicly and get caught. I will be listening for this one on my local radio station's "To stupid to live" spot in the near future.]
You post this in a VERY public VERY highly trafficed public forum frequented by both developers and T-Mobile employees. You used your normal account that already has your location (Bakersfield), 10 prior posts, and (via a warrant that you gave cause for with you original post) log files that tie you to your IP address with dates and times of every time you visit this site. Surely most if not all of those IP addresses (assuming they are dynamic and actually change) all belong to the same ISP who can easily look at there records and see which subscriber had the IP address at those times. Your ISP has your real name, address, phone number etc.
Two warrants later and the circumstantial evidence just became concrete enough to convict you.
But please, tell us more of your theoretical plan.
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Yeah right. Them doing any of this for one phone, highly unlikely. The legal system sucks. Sad but true.
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vetvito said:
Yeah right. Them doing any of this for one phone, highly unlikely. The legal system sucks. Sad but true.
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Don't worry, he's a wuss, that's why he came here to ask instead of just doing it. The fact that they can easily find out will be enough to scare him, doesn't matter if they actually do it.
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Don't worry, he's a wuss, that's why he came here to ask instead of just doing it. The fact that they can easily find out will be enough to scare him, doesn't matter if they actually do it.
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how about that lady that got taken to court for downloading songs from napster she is facing a 21k fine different I know but why take the chance
This was a hypothetical question...ammirighhtt?? Two words eye may.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.
Hey hey, this is just theoretically thinking. Why all the hate mail... u
If it happens sooner or later, it would just b coincidence........
mikaeldalc said:
Hey hey, this is just theoretically thinking. Why all the hate mail... u
If it happens sooner or later, it would just b coincidence........
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Dude, you are scum. Dispense with the humor, because no one is amused by jerkoffs like you.
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mikaeldalc said:
Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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Well just theoretically speaking you would theoretically go to jail because that is theoretically insurance fraud and T-Mobile & Asurion, the theoretical insurance company about which you theoretically speak of can theoretically track IMEI's in use, and since Asurion is the primary theoretical insurance company for every theoretical wireless carrier, they would theoretically be able to track it no matter which theoretical wireless company your theoretical girlfriend was theoretically on. Theoretically speaking, of course.
So my friend found someone's lost Droid 2 and wanted me to fix it for him. He wants it so he can take it to Verizon as if he had bought it and have it activated. It's locked, as in no service. He already did a factory reset.
Where do I look now? What exactly do I look for? I can figure out how to root it easy enough but after that I'm lost on what to do..
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Return to Verizon. The person who lost it probably reported it by now and Verizon blacklisted the ESN number or whatever. It's no good.
It's Christmas time dude, someone is probably really upset that they lost that phone. Do the noble thing and return it.
I am sure the person that lost the phone has all the family photos, family and friends numbers on it. Too bad that your friend didn't look up the number and try to return the phone..
Please put yourself in that person shoes. ...God Bless you(for helping your friend doing the evil thing) and most of all for your friend for not returning the phone to the owner.
Also just to add a personal experience:
I found a phone on the ground at a concert once, called the last number dialed in it and found out who it belonged to. Turned out to belong to the guitarist for the headlining band. Me and my gf got brought backstage, had an amazing party and got a ton of free ****.
However, if you do decide not to return it, I'm sure a few devs out there would love to get in touch with you to get the phone from you, namely people like blackdroid and cvpcs, who are currently working on D2 ROMs but don't have a device to test builds on. To those guys it doesn't matter as much if the phone is blacklisted, as it can still be used for development.
However, you should make an effort to return it to it's original owner, as there is no way you will be able to use the phone for service through verizon at this point.
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Also just to add a personal experience:
I found a phone on the ground at a concert once, called the last number dialed in it and found out who it belonged to. Turned out to belong to the guitarist for the headlining band. Me and my gf got brought backstage, had an amazing party and got a ton of free ****.
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That's awesome dude!
He found it weeks ago and just now.got it to me. He long since formatted it so all info was lost. I don't think he will be trying to return it.
Is there anything that can be done software wise? Or would the hardware unique to the phone make this impossible?
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He found it weeks ago and just now.got it to me. He long since formatted it so all info was lost. I don't think he will be trying to return it.
Is there anything that can be done software wise? Or would the hardware unique to the phone make this impossible?
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It's useless as a phone on Verizon. They block the ESN of the phone once it's reported lost/stolen and won't allow it on the network regardless of what you do to the software. You need better friends. Just because you find something doesn't make it yours. Especially when it's something like a phone that contains the owners contact info in it.
Yeah. Well thanks for the help.
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I agree w/ others on here that it would still be. Est to try to return it or to donate to a rom dev...
But how about bypassing the reg when you boot the phone and setting it up for making calls on wifi via skype or google voice? Should still be useful as a tablet computer, if anything.
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I think the right thing to do is to return it to a Verizon store and let them find the owner for you (they can look up the ESN and see the history of it and find the person that way).
But if you plan to keep it, you might wait until folks have successfully unlocked the SIM card and use it on a different network. Chances are Verizon can't blacklist the phone for AT&T or T-Mobile purposes.
You could either return it to verizon, give it to a dev for testing purposes, or sell it as blacklisted for parts on Ebay.
I'd go with option number 2 actually. it might end up helping you out in the long run if you have a D2 yourself.
I work at verizon I can look up the esn if you want
Just bring it to a verizon and say you found it. This is a very expensive phone and is most likely blacklisted. My aunt turned in a lost phone to a verizon store and got a credit from the manager. Your decency may pay off.
tell your friend to be nice and return it to verizon.
Lost my Droidx, never got it back
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I think the right thing to do is to return it to a Verizon store and let them find the owner for you (they can look up the ESN and see the history of it and find the person that way).
But if you plan to keep it, you might wait until folks have successfully unlocked the SIM card and use it on a different network. Chances are Verizon can't blacklist the phone for AT&T or T-Mobile purposes.
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Really???? I have to ask, do you have a Droid 2 for Verizon? Have you seen a sim card?
Just an FYI, Droid 2 uses CDMA and T-Mobile and at&t use gsm. Two totally different frequencies, and the Droid 2 will never work with either of them.
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Really???? I have to ask, do you have a Droid 2 for Verizon? Have you seen a sim card?
Just an FYI, Droid 2 uses CDMA and T-Mobile and at&t use gsm. Two totally different frequencies, and the Droid 2 will never work with either of them.
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cool your jets broski, he just confused it for a droid 2 global which, in fact, DOES have a sim card slot.
Technically the droid 2 has a sim card slot aswell it's just blocked by a piece of plastic glued to the top of the battery contacts and there aren't actual sim/GSM hardware but there is a slot for it.
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cool your jets broski, he just confused it for a droid 2 global which, in fact, DOES have a sim card slot.
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Yup, I did (that's the phone I have). My bad.
I wanna get another cdma phone for my girlfriend but dont want to add extra line.
My question is: can I flash a second Epic or Pal Pre 2 to same Sprint phone number as on my Epic and share one phone number without paying extra?
I know that I can use CDMA Workshop to flash any phone to any number right?So will it work if I flash second Epic or Palm Pre 2 to same phone number that I have?
At best it wouldn't work well and at worst Sprint would figure it out. Not recommended.
It's probably not very practical. My guess is that they'll figure it out and then fine you or something. I think you'd have to modify the ESN to do what you want to, which is considered illegal (some say it's debatable? I'm not that knowledgeable on this topic)
You can do that, however only one phone can be on at a time otherwise you should expect Sprint to ask some questions.
And what happens when you receive a call? Would both phones ring? Or just one?
I've never tried it. Too risky
Go for it. Just don't be mad when you get arrested for fraud and whatnot
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this is 100% possible and works, both phones will ring on an incoming call, both will receive the same text messages. With that aside, this is known as cloning and is a Class A Felony, Sprint will also be able to detect 2 phones using the same number/ESN/MEID and will shut you down ASAP.
tl:dr its possible, but you'll end up in prison
Isn't this the phone cloning that happened in the 90's and is extremely illegal?
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this is 100% possible and works, both phones will ring on an incoming call, both will receive the same text messages. With that aside, this is known as cloning and is a Class A Felony, Sprint will also be able to detect 2 phones using the same number/ESN/MEID and will shut you down ASAP.
tl:dr its possible, but you'll end up in prison
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Damn a felony?Thanx.
I wonder if I can do that through Sprint and how much would it cost?
Another question,I really want to try out Webos,what if I flash PalmPre 2 to same phone number but use one phone at a time(completly remove battery on unused phone) is that illegal too?
It's illegal either way, I wouldn't even try it. If you can't afford it, don't worry about having another phone.
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Try Google Voice and set it up to ring both your phones. It's legal, free, and safe.
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Try Google Voice and set it up to ring both your phones. It's legal, free, and safe.
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Came in to say this. They won't be totally cloned, but they'll both ring, etc. And you get to choose the number!
But reading OP's statement... Google Voice is not free phone service. You will not be able to do this.
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Damn a felony?Thanx.
I wonder if I can do that through Sprint and how much would it cost?
Another question,I really want to try out Webos,what if I flash PalmPre 2 to same phone number but use one phone at a time(completly remove battery on unused phone) is that illegal too?
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Because you will have to change the esn on one of those phones, I believe it is still illegal.
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Try Google Voice and set it up to ring both your phones. It's legal, free, and safe.
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Good idea but I would still need phone data service on second phone for this to work right?So it defeats the purpose.
the purpose of ripping off sprint? one of the cheepest carriers out there? go get yourself a burner phone.. jeez
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the purpose of ripping off sprint? one of the cheepest carriers out there? go get yourself a burner phone.. jeez
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Im not talking bout rippin off sprint but having one number on both phones.I wonder if sprint can do that and woul this be cheaper than seperate line?
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Im not talking bout rippin off sprint but having one number on both phones.I wonder if sprint can do that and woul this be cheaper than seperate line?
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Sprint will not do this. To accomplish what you're suggesting would be to clone an ESN/MEID which is illegal (Debatable).. HOWEVER..
if you were to have 2 devices with a common MEID, and the same/shared MDN/MSID both 'tied' to one number the cell tower will only connect the MEID one time. both devices 'MAY' ring at the same time, however only one device will be allowed to connect to the call.
YMMV
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I am going to vacation soon where i do not feel comfortable bringing my atrix with me because it might get damaged from water, beaches, rocks, etc.
I have a Nokia go phone from ATT also, Can i just put my Atrix sim card in the Nokia Go phone and every thing should work? Will Data Plan still Work?
Calls should work fine. Data plans are coded differently so don't expect that to work.
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I can do that with my old Nokia N75 and iphone 3GS and it works ok.
Might add that includes data.
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Yep. If the go-phone is AT&T's it will work. You'll have data and calls and mms. Your smartphone plan will cover any simple phone they carry. The only thing that happens to the phone is that it will not keep telling you how much balance left you have (because you paid already).
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I am going to vacation soon where i do not feel comfortable bringing my atrix with me because it might get damaged from water, beaches, rocks, etc.
I have a Nokia go phone from ATT also, Can i just put my Atrix sim card in the Nokia Go phone and every thing should work? Will Data Plan still Work?
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I would be careful you dont get any other data charges though while abroad, past experiences have been that you can get charged lots because it isnt usually included in the data plan but i cant be sure with ATT
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I would be careful you dont get any other data charges though while abroad, past experiences have been that you can get charged lots because it isnt usually included in the data plan but i cant be sure with ATT
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OP only said they were going on vacation. Nothing about travelling abroad. My money is on Florida, or maybe California!
I have been doing this since around 2005 with my Treo 600. One of the benefits of having a SIM card. You wont have a problem at all.
I'd like to get the s4 from a best buy location this week but I've got a few questions.
Do they do cross upgrades WITHOUT effecting the other line's sim/phone? I want to use my wife's upgrade but she'll be out of town so we can't have her sim/phone go off?
(I'm asking cuz in the past I had that happen)
If the upgrade date is 5/8,can I do it with best buy on may 1rst like I can at att?
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I'd like to get the s4 from a best buy location this week but I've got a few questions.
Do they do cross upgrades WITHOUT effecting the other line's sim/phone? I want to use my wife's upgrade but she'll be out of town so we can't have her sim/phone go off?
(I'm asking cuz in the past I had that happen)
If the upgrade date is 5/8,can I do it with best buy on may 1rst like I can at att?
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I can answer the first question but not the second, I don't have a clue about upgrade dates and such....
I used an upgrade from another account I manage yesterday and they told me that worst case scenario, the other phone will be deactivated for a second or two while they process the phone onto the account and then off of it, restoring the IMEI that was originally used.... if she has an LTE phone already, it will make the process a whole lot easier since they don't have to add an LTE provision and then remove it
That being said, I thought it was kind of wild they had to do any of that in the first place when I thought they could just process the upgrade as an in-store deal since it wasn't going on that account - they didn't pull out the phone and do a test call on it, so why would they have to activate it in the system for the other number and then remove it? At one time, the guy processing it who I thought I had confidence he knew what was going on turned to me and said "do you by any chance have that other phone available so I can get the IMEI off of it?" Well no, of course I don't, I told you that! You had it in the system before you deactivated it, put it back! haha, oh BBY.....
same here what happened yesterday, im goin to use my dad's
upgrade, since his phone is the galaxy s1, it turns out they deactivated his number(old sim) and they gave me the lte enabled sim, since i told them that i am the one gonna use both the s4 and s3 not my dad, they provided me a regular sim again for my dad but just to call 611 att customer service to transfer again the lte enbled sim to the regular one, such a hassel though, if only i have a simcard adapter that time.
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Ok so she has an iPhone 5(lte right?) on that line now(the line I will use the upgrade date from.)
So it will go off for a moment and back on? For sure? She'll be so far from a att store that any problems would be a HUGE issue for us.
Please let me know. Thanks for help guys.
From my experience regarding dates, yes. As long as its the first of the eligible month. This was 2 years back when i got the s2 so not exactly sure if policy changed but i doubt it. Radio shack did the same thing.
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Ok so she has an iPhone 5(lte right?) on that line now(the line I will use the upgrade date from.)
So it will go off for a moment and back on? For sure? She'll be so far from a att store that any problems would be a HUGE issue for us.
Please let me know. Thanks for help guys.
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The iPhone 5 is an LTE device, you should be good on that end
I sent a text to the number I was upgrading before to warn the person they may be without service momentarily, and then called on my way out of the store, they did not notice any interruption in service, so yes, it's for sure
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The iPhone 5 is an LTE device, you should be good on that end
I sent a text to the number I was upgrading before to warn the person they may be without service momentarily, and then called on my way out of the store, they did not notice any interruption in service, so yes, it's for sure
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Thanks for sharing the details of your experience!!! Good to hear.
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j510 said:
From my experience regarding dates, yes. As long as its the first of the eligible month. This was 2 years back when i got the s2 so not exactly sure if policy changed but i doubt it. Radio shack did the same thing.
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This is true of outside vendors like BB still? I know Att could do it but not sure about non att stores.
Best buy mobile employee here. Typically if you are cross upgrading it isn't an issue unless it's an iPhone 5 or an old phone that uses a standard sim card. If they call customer service they can typically make it work without deactivating the old phone, otherwise you would need to get a new sim for the other phone.
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Best buy mobile employee here. Typically if you are cross upgrading it isn't an issue unless it's an iPhone 5 or an old phone that uses a standard sim card. If they call customer service they can typically make it work without deactivating the old phone, otherwise you would need to get a new sim for the other phone.
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Thanks for chiming in!
But wait, iPhone 5s do cause the trouble I need to avoid? Even with the lte sim in it already?
And what about dates, can you do a 5/8 upgrade on 5/1?
Thanks.
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Thanks for chiming in!
But wait, iPhone 5s do cause the trouble I need to avoid? Even with the lte sim in it already?
And what about dates, can you do a 5/8 upgrade on 5/1?
Thanks.
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It is only a problem because they use a nano sim which is only compatible with an iPhone 5. As far as the upgrade date goes, Generally it's not an issue, we just might have to process it over the phone
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It is only a problem because they use a nano sim which is only compatible with an iPhone 5. As far as the upgrade date goes, Generally it's not an issue, we just might have to process it over the phone
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I appreciate your help.
My issue is my wife with the iPhone 5 will be a a very important trip where she needs the iPhone to work.
So I and she won't have access to the sim to change it out or anything.
Is what I want to do not going to work then?
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I appreciate your help.
My issue is my wife with the iPhone 5 will be a a very important trip where she needs the iPhone to work.
So I and she won't have access to the sim to change it out or anything.
Is what I want to do not going to work then?
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There is a good chance that it will work, but there is also the possibility that it doesn't. If we call AT&T to activate over the phone sometimes they are able to move the SIM without having to deactivate it. It will most likely not be an issue, but there is always a slight chance that it would be cut off. When you go to the store make sure you stress that her phone cannot be shut off and ask them if there is any way to do it so that doesn't happen.
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I went to a BB mobile store on 5/1.
My *639# said 5/8 for upgrade but she said she could do it no call to Att needed. So she did. All went well. Wife's lte iP5 didn't even turn off(that we noticed).
So cross upgrade went well. Stoked!
Thanks all for help.
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