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insurance claim for lost vibrant

so my friend got a vibrant, and he wanted to file a claim for a lost phone to get one for his brother. as far as I know this is illegal. can you guys give me some examples of things that might happen to him if he goes through with it or some possible consequences? "it's illegal" isn't seeming to convince him.

Insurnce fraud. He would go to jail most likely.
TMobile can track the missing phone using gps and cell towers. They'll see where the phone is and get it for him instead of giving him a new one.
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gonintendo said:
so my friend got a vibrant, and he wanted to file a claim for a lost phone to get one for his brother. as far as I know this is illegal. can you guys give me some examples of things that might happen to him if he goes through with it or some possible consequences? "it's illegal" isn't seeming to convince him.
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Well your friend is slightly dumb. First of all, the lost phone is blocked for life. Meaning if anyone ever tries to put a sim card in it, and use it, on any network, it won't work. It is permanently blocked from registering onto any network. So basically your friend is going to get 1 refurbished phone in the mail, and his new vibrant will be blacklisted for ever.
Next, if they find out about the fraud, well he can face fraud charges. If he is underage on a family plan, his parents will face fraud charges.
Good luck.

thanks guys!

Its cheaper to buy one from wal-mart than to file a claim (Wal-mart new two year contract is $98.99, asurion charges $130, not to mention you run the risk (more likely than not) you'd get caught.)

SamsungVibrant said:
Well your friend is slightly dumb. First of all, the lost phone is blocked for life. Meaning if anyone ever tries to put a sim card in it, and use it, on any network, it won't work. It is permanently blocked from registering onto any network. So basically your friend is going to get 1 refurbished phone in the mail, and his new vibrant will be blacklisted for ever.
Next, if they find out about the fraud, well he can face fraud charges. If he is underage on a family plan, his parents will face fraud charges.
Good luck.
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well i have to say this is a bunch of bs... i havent done this but known people that have and nothing happens to the other phone they work fine and they dont track you down or go on some sort of man hunt lol but if you say you lost your phone it would be best to not use it anymore get another phone and give the one you had to whoever as long as its not on your plan you should be good.
just so you know im not a fan of thieves but i believe in stealing from big companies cause they steal from people everyday so i would say its fair...

You can do whatever you wish. I found my g1 from a club. Used it for 2 years no prob. Its a gsm phone so whatever the case anyone can put a sim card and use it. How you do it as far as claiming to get a new one is your business
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tribalb said:
You can do whatever you wish. I found my g1 from a club. Used it for 2 years no prob. Its a gsm phone so whatever the case anyone can put a sim card and use it. How you do it as far as claiming to get a new one is your business
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lucky guy... i need to start going to clubs to look for phones lol

They will not blacklist it and they will not track it down.lol
Insurance don't deal with the phone company. You can claim online without ever speaking to anyone .
Also they do blacklist the sim but a new sim will work, this isn't cdma where ya need to call the phone company to activate a new bought phone, just put in your sim...
Hell who says ya can't lose it, then find it a week later, what you supposed to do send it back?
You pay the 130 you got 2 phones that work. My wife just lost her tp2 and we asked if whoever found it can just put on a new card and its now there phone, dude said yup, we can stop the sim but the phone is gone....

gonintendo said:
can you guys give me some examples of things that might happen to him if he goes through with it or some possible consequences? "it's illegal" isn't seeming to convince him.
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Well, tell your friend that when he dies god is going to know he did it and will definitely be really pissed off and condemn him to spend all eternity in Pittsburgh with an incurable case of crabs on his nuts.
Seriously though, tell your friend to stop being shady and just man up and buy another phone if he wants it.
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smashpunks said:
They will not blacklist it and they will not track it down.lol
Insurance don't deal with the phone company. You can claim online without ever speaking to anyone .
Also they do blacklist the sim but a new sim will work, this isn't cdma where ya need to call the phone company to activate a new bought phone, just put in your sim...
Hell who says ya can't lose it, then find it a week later, what you supposed to do send it back?
You pay the 130 you got 2 phones that work. My wife just lost her tp2 and we asked if whoever found it can just put on a new card and its now there phone, dude said yup, we can stop the sim but the phone is gone....
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actually you can say you still have your sim but not the phone and they will be like ok? and you get to keep your sim still lol

T-Mobile can and most likely will block the IMEI number from being able to register on the network. They've done it multiple times for my sister when she has had the phone stolen or lost. They can insert another SIM card all they want and it won't work. It might work on AT&T, I don't know if the companies share blacklisted IMEI numbers.
Most likely, they would not go through the process of prosecuting a fraud case on something like this because the cost of the lawyers and other legal fees outweigh the cost of just paying the claim but you never know.

hockeyrcks9901 said:
T-Mobile can and most likely will block the IMEI number from being able to register on the network. They've done it multiple times for my sister when she has had the phone stolen or lost. They can insert another SIM card all they want and it won't work. It might work on AT&T, I don't know if the companies share blacklisted IMEI numbers.
Most likely, they would not go through the process of prosecuting a fraud case on something like this because the cost of the lawyers and other legal fees outweigh the cost of just paying the claim but you never know.
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No they don't black list IMEIs.
Well your "friend" meaning you is a complete moron and hopefully you get caught. People like you are the reason insurance deductibles are so expensive.

skater4690 said:
well i have to say this is a bunch of bs... i havent done this but known people that have and nothing happens to the other phone they work fine and they dont track you down or go on some sort of man hunt lol but if you say you lost your phone it would be best to not use it anymore get another phone and give the one you had to whoever as long as its not on your plan you should be good.
just so you know im not a fan of thieves but i believe in stealing from big companies cause they steal from people everyday so i would say its fair...
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I never said they were going to track you down on a man hunt.
HOWEVER, they do deactivate your lost phone permanently. You can never use it on any network.

speoples20 said:
No they don't black list IMEIs.
Well your "friend" meaning you is a complete moron and hopefully you get caught. People like you are the reason insurance deductibles are so expensive.
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for your information, they do blacklist the phone from working. If you file a claim the phone was lost/stolen, the phone will be blacklisted and no longer work when you try to register on a network.

smashpunks said:
My wife just lost her tp2 and we asked if whoever found it can just put on a new card and its now there phone, dude said yup, we can stop the sim but the phone is gone....
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holly cow, you have a wife? with the comments you leave on here, I thought you were a 12 yr old.

they don't blacklist the IMEI because whoever finds it still has to have a service provider... its the same way with the iphone... Phone company is gonna get paid, regardless of whoever has the phone. I do think however that they lock the number associated with the simcard to prevent "fraudulent activities" i think its like 30 days i remember reading that at the tmobile website
google tmobile insurance replacement FAQs it lays it all out.
good luck, best to do it with a prepaid card so you don't lock a good number...
not that i would ever condone such behavior

Soooo not true.
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I've been in the cell industry for the last 6 years and can tell you for a fact, with GSM phones they do not blacklist or lock IMEI's. Its not even possible. The only thing they might do is see if you are stupid enough to use the lost phone on your own plan.

SamsungVibrant said:
holly cow, you have a wife? with the comments you leave on here, I thought you were a 12 yr old.
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I think I have a fan. Follow me on twitter douche bag...
And I'm the 12 year old sounding one.lol.

Do you think sprint REALLY bricks phones?

So someone pulled an "Iphone4 leak" on me and stole my phone off the bar last night. I went through Asurion and spent the billion dollar deductible where they give you the option to shut the old phone off right then and there.
I started thinking about this and yes it sounds good for you to screw the person that screwed you BUT any carrier could take advantage of this. They could let the thief activate their own line on it then they just got another subscriber. As a company it would make sense to me.
I dunno this is just my theory.

They shut it off because yours is shipped activated
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I'd love to see the tech that they use to 'brick' them, espec with a custom rom on it
What they were likely talking about is deactivating the phone and blacklisting the ISN

Both are correct.
The activation thing is an option when you file your claim.
Im saying do you really think it gets blacklisted?

It still can be taking to a Arab hood cell phone store and flashed to cricket
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munsterrr said:
Both are correct.
The activation thing is an option when you file your claim.
Im saying do you really think it gets blacklisted?
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Yes they do blacklist them as soon as they are reported stolen
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So I'm guessing you didn't have any type of security app on the phone (ex:Lookout)?
With Lookout you can use the locator on the phone and/or have the phone "scream" (blast a loud siren) regardless of the volume setting, you can also wipe the phone remotely.

i do/did install lookout and wiped it.
Sucks that i lost my class 10 memory card too.

probely blacklist but i would like to see what they have up there sleve

I don't think Sprint will brick the phone... what they will do is ban the esn from being used on the Sprint network..... but that doesn't mean that its banned from being used on metro pcs, Verizon.... or other cdma networks.

DarkManX4lf said:
I don't think Sprint will brick the phone... what they will do is ban the esn from being used on the Sprint network..... but that doesn't mean that its banned from being used on metro pcs, Verizon.... or other cdma networks.
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Correct, the phone is not bricked just blacklisted. You can still connect through wifi and use all the phone's services.

DirtyShroomz said:
Correct, the phone is not bricked just blacklisted. You can still connect through wifi and use all the phone's services.
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Yeah and any data on the phone is accessible...like contacts, pictures and all that.

Dupilicate post...sorry.

Help! Got a question!

Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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I suggest you ask T-Mobile directly....

Insurance fraud...

Theoretically you would be committing a crime. Not going to be an accessory.
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They can't"lock" it but I assume it'd be confusing if you both had the same sim card...but if she has a T-Mobile similar card of her own with data plans and etc yes it would work and T-Mobile wouldn't find out this is similar to buying the vibrant for $500 without the Contract.
So yes. Do what I said and it will work
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Your Sooooo Smart
Something to think about however. [Side note: I love how stupid criminals always post there illegal activities publicly and get caught. I will be listening for this one on my local radio station's "To stupid to live" spot in the near future.]
You post this in a VERY public VERY highly trafficed public forum frequented by both developers and T-Mobile employees. You used your normal account that already has your location (Bakersfield), 10 prior posts, and (via a warrant that you gave cause for with you original post) log files that tie you to your IP address with dates and times of every time you visit this site. Surely most if not all of those IP addresses (assuming they are dynamic and actually change) all belong to the same ISP who can easily look at there records and see which subscriber had the IP address at those times. Your ISP has your real name, address, phone number etc.
Two warrants later and the circumstantial evidence just became concrete enough to convict you.
But please, tell us more of your theoretical plan.

Nothing will happen, I done it with a few phones from tmobile. One thing though they wont send you the phone completly free, you will pay something like $50
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mikaeldalc said:
Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping...
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To start with this crap makes the cost of products go up for the ready off us that don't game the system...but hey, go for it, see of you get caught.
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mikaeldalc said:
Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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I hope they use your cell phone imei and prosecute you

nomadrider123 said:
I hope they use your cell phone imei and prosecute you
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Oh Snap! I totally missed the "Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App" part when I explained earlier exactly how they wold find him. The ID10T actually sent this crap from his phone!! When his girlfriend uses the "LOST" phone they can bust them both.
LOL

I wont go into a big long post about how your theory is wrong (criminal), or how you will be caught its been covered. Oh wait nobody mentioned karma. I'll just say that its people like you that make it hard for the rest of us. First you drive up prices. Second you make it so that people with legitimate claims have to jump through hoops. So go ahead on with your fraud I for one know that if you go ahead with your scheme karma will catch up.
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T313C0mun1s7 said:
Something to think about however. [Side note: I love how stupid criminals always post there illegal activities publicly and get caught. I will be listening for this one on my local radio station's "To stupid to live" spot in the near future.]
You post this in a VERY public VERY highly trafficed public forum frequented by both developers and T-Mobile employees. You used your normal account that already has your location (Bakersfield), 10 prior posts, and (via a warrant that you gave cause for with you original post) log files that tie you to your IP address with dates and times of every time you visit this site. Surely most if not all of those IP addresses (assuming they are dynamic and actually change) all belong to the same ISP who can easily look at there records and see which subscriber had the IP address at those times. Your ISP has your real name, address, phone number etc.
Two warrants later and the circumstantial evidence just became concrete enough to convict you.
But please, tell us more of your theoretical plan.
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Yeah right. Them doing any of this for one phone, highly unlikely. The legal system sucks. Sad but true.
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vetvito said:
Yeah right. Them doing any of this for one phone, highly unlikely. The legal system sucks. Sad but true.
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Don't worry, he's a wuss, that's why he came here to ask instead of just doing it. The fact that they can easily find out will be enough to scare him, doesn't matter if they actually do it.

Telanis said:
Don't worry, he's a wuss, that's why he came here to ask instead of just doing it. The fact that they can easily find out will be enough to scare him, doesn't matter if they actually do it.
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how about that lady that got taken to court for downloading songs from napster she is facing a 21k fine different I know but why take the chance

This was a hypothetical question...ammirighhtt?? Two words eye may.
Don't blame me, blame my keyboard's autocorrection algorithm.

Hey hey, this is just theoretically thinking. Why all the hate mail... u
If it happens sooner or later, it would just b coincidence........

mikaeldalc said:
Hey hey, this is just theoretically thinking. Why all the hate mail... u
If it happens sooner or later, it would just b coincidence........
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Dude, you are scum. Dispense with the humor, because no one is amused by jerkoffs like you.
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mikaeldalc said:
Lets say if I theoretically shut off my vibrant and call T-Mobile and told them I lost my vibrant while shopping. Paid the insurance fee for another vibrant. Once I received my vibrant, gave my old vibrant to my girl, would she be able to use it or would T-Mobile lock the phone? And if T-Mobile would lock my original phone, is there a way to unlock it and use it? Just theoretically speaking!
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Well just theoretically speaking you would theoretically go to jail because that is theoretically insurance fraud and T-Mobile & Asurion, the theoretical insurance company about which you theoretically speak of can theoretically track IMEI's in use, and since Asurion is the primary theoretical insurance company for every theoretical wireless carrier, they would theoretically be able to track it no matter which theoretical wireless company your theoretical girlfriend was theoretically on. Theoretically speaking, of course.

[Q] Xperia Play (Verizon) Bad ESN to metro pcs

Hey guys im a newb and was wondering if i can flash my bad esn x play to metro pcs? I cant afford Verizon anymore so they gave me a bad esn and metro has the 40$ unlimited everything
So if you guys can help me out this is much appreciated i love this phone and don't want to give it away yet.

Just get your sim unlocked and change the APN settings
Edit: unsure if a bad esn can be fixed by unlocking.. You'll have to ask someone who deals with sim unlocks
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rawrrzombie12 said:
Hey guys im a newb and was wondering if i can flash my bad esn x play to metro pcs? I cant afford Verizon anymore so they gave me a bad esn and metro has the 40$ unlimited everything
So if you guys can help me out this is much appreciated i love this phone and don't want to give it away yet.
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The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.

you would have to change ESN which is... well, quite impossible...
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AndroHero said:
The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.
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i didn't steal the phone i couldn't afford the plan i was one so they cut my phone off that's what i meant. i guess ill just take it and see if it will work

rawrrzombie12 said:
i didn't steal the phone i couldn't afford the plan i was one so they cut my phone off that's what i meant. i guess ill just take it and see if it will work
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The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.

Rogue Leader said:
The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.
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Doesn't mean he stole it. Could have been locked into a bad contract
Some people like myself buy them off ebay with bad esn
What happens is all these reneged accounts are lying around eligible for upgrades
some one will come in and get all the brand new phones unopened and sell them online for big profit.
It's 100% your property if you buy it from a 3rd party.
The bad ESN part is bad because then all the towers will block your phone
so you cant use 40$ pre-pay service because they are leasing the towers from big company like verizon and such

Rogue Leader said:
The problem is you said in your post twice, they gave you a bad ESN. Well what did you mean by that, because the only reason they would do that is if you owe them money. Or were you just mistaken? If you go elsewhere with a "bad" or blocked ESN its not going to work.
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You can flash any phone with a bad esn to another provider, if you have the proper software.

captain67 said:
Just get your sim unlocked and change the APN settings
Edit: unsure if a bad esn can be fixed by unlocking.. You'll have to ask someone who deals with sim unlocks
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AndroHero said:
The only reason your phone will have a bad ESN is if either it's stolen or you haven't paid your bill, either way the phone is not yours. Thats why your carrier has blacklisted the ESN. Basically you are asking people to help you steal the phone.
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Blagus said:
you would have to change ESN which is... well, quite impossible...
Send frm my Play with coustum kernals
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Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. READ people. SIM card on CDMA? Why list the reason when he told you the reason out-right (can't afford it; obviously under contract)? "Impossible" to do something which is done every day? Jeeze. If you don't know the answer or what you are talking about WHY do you feel compelled to answer the man?

CZroe said:
Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. READ people. SIM card on CDMA? Why list the reason when he told you the reason out-right (can't afford it; obviously under contract)? "Impossible" to do something which is done every day? Jeeze. If you don't know the answer or what you are talking about WHY do you feel compelled to answer the man?
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Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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I don't know how things are done there, but actually that's technically and legally wrong here in the USA. The phone is rebated and paid for at the time the contract is signed. The SERVICE CONTRACT is the only remaining obligation. The contract comes with terms and stipulations stating that they will require payment of an ETF (Early Termination Fee) if he does not carry the contract to full term and that they will ban the ESN if he does not pay that. It does not state that the phone remains or reverts to being their property.
For consumer protections reasons, there are other "outs" in the contract and you are not required to send the phone back because it is YOURS nor are you required to pay ETFs. For example, the FCC does not want local monopolies to keep you living in an area they serve just because you have a contract with a provider there that doesn't exist elsewhere. For example, if I wanted to move to North Dakota and there was no Sprint coverage in the town I was moving to, I can move there and keep my phone and end my contract and legally dodge the ETF. If I ever activate it with that provider again, they can require me to resume my contract.
Simple.

CZroe said:
I don't know how things are done there, but actually that's technically and legally wrong here in the USA. The phone is rebated at the time the contract is signed. The SERVICE CONTRACT is the only remaining obligation. The contract comes with terms and stipulations stating that they will require payment of an ETF (Early Termination Fee) if he does not carry the contract to full term and that they will ban the ESN if he does not pay that. It does not state that the phone remains or reverts to being their property.
For consumer protections reasons, there are other "outs" in the contract and you are not required to send the phone back because it is YOURS. For example, the FCC does not want local monopolies to keep you living in an area they server just because you have a contract with a provider there that doesn't exist elsewhere. For example, if I wanted to move to North Dakota and there was no Sprint coverage in the town I was moving to, I can move there and keep my phone and end my contract and legally dodge the ETF. If I ever activate it with that provider again, they can require me to resume my contract.
Simple.
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Hooray America! (another example of an it is you can suspend/cancel your contact without an ETF if you getting deployed overseas (military))
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Flipping through the thread and damn some people are f ing unbelievable. Your really going to call the guys phone stolen because he couldnt pay the bill? Are you kidding me? Pretty sure the 250 dollar early termination fee that will be tacked on to a final bill will pretty much cover the cost of the phone.. Its amazing how people can be so argumentative for no reason. The guy had a simple question, he didnt ask for a moral judgement. The answer to your question is YES you can have it flashed to metro.

AndroHero said:
Exactly "can't afford verizon" that means he didnt pay the bill, so the phone was cut off, he does not own the phone because he invalidated his contract, and thus the phone is stolen.
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Why did you even waste energy and burn a single calorie to type on this thread if you weren't going to contribute to the question asked. I'm sick of arse holes that want to play phone police on an internet forum. You don't know if he paid his termination fee or made conditions with Verizon. Personally I think its none of your business or any body else. So the point of the matter is Metro hooks up a lot of phones from other carriers such as Verizon legally in the US. Trust me America being the forefront of lawsuits would have sued the breaks off of Metro PCS if it wasn't. Do not post if you don't have anything intelectual or contributing please.

R800x Carrier Pigeon - Got any change?
Before I get into the nitty gritty, yes, ive seached the forum. yes ive seached the google. yes, afaik im using the right software (cdma-w, qpst, QXDM, even that dfs cdma tool).
The Xperia Play (R800x - Verizon) is an amazing phone first of all. If only it could make calls...
Here is the problem im having: I can write min, nam, PRL, etc, most NV items to the phone just fine. but when i try to repair the esn/meid i get back an error which, though slightly different depending on the software, amounts to a statement that the value is read-only or failed to write. I have some past success with this sort of thing on other platforms (Moto Razr for ex.)but im at a loss here, and ready to accept any help offered. I read somewhere that an unlocked BL is req. but that doesnt make sense to me.
Also ive noticed that the older version of cdmaw (2.7) doesn't seem to read or write meid values, only esn, from what ive read, its like frank sinatra said, you cant have one without the other.
So my questions: has anyone else run into this problem? Is it related to the bootloader or ROM in any way? Suggestions etc Please and Thank you
Yes im a n00b. yes im ok with that. there is always some1 who knows more about something than I do. Teach me to fish so i can share my fish

freddycheeba said:
Before I get into the nitty gritty, yes, ive seached the forum. yes ive seached the google. (btw, the flash-to-MetroPCS page seems to have vanished from the internets..)yes, afaik im using the right software (cdma-w, qpst, QXDM, even that dfs cdma tool).
The Xperia Play (R800x - V3r1$0N) is an amazing phone first of all. If only it could make calls...
With every intention of avoiding starting a legal debate, here is the problem im having: I can write min, nam, PRL, etc, most NV items to the phone just fine. but when i try to .repair. the 3$n or M31D i get back an error which, though slightly different depending on the software, amounts to a statement that the value is read-only or failed to write. i may have some past success with this sort of thing on other platforms (Moto Razr for ex.)-allegedly, and im by no means stumped or ready to give up, but im ready to accept any help offered. I read somewhere that an unlocked BL is req. but that doesnt make sense to me.
Also ive noticed that the older version of cdmaw (2.7) which may or may not be available from the common sources, doesn't seem to read or write m31d values, only 3$n, from what ive read, its like frank sinatra said, you cant have one without the other.
So my questions: has anyone else run into this problem? Is it related to the bootloader or ROM in any way? Suggestions etc Please and Thank you
Yes im a n00b. yes im ok with that. there is always some1 who knows more about something than I do. Teach me to fish
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Couple things:
1. "hacker speak" like saying 3$n and m31D is tremendously annoying. I have no idea why you felt the need to do that. Actual intelligent humans like you will find here think you sound like an idiot when you type like that. Speak English, its what we speak.
2. I don't believe anyone has successfully done with this phone what you're trying to do AFAIK. There are people who can unlock the bootloader for you, but I agree I doubt that would help, but hey who knows.
3. That said, you threw gas on the fire even mentioning legal issues. I'm not gonna make any assumptions about why you have a bad ESN phone a I don't know where you got it, but as you can see its a touchy subject here. Mainly because carriers don't just blacklist ESNs for no reason or on a whim.
Anyway whatever your reasons, good luck, I don't know that you will find an answer here, but maybe someone who does know can help you.

Touchy subject
My Esn is clear, but i already have service with another cdma provider- one who has very limited choices as far as phones go. I have no intention of trying to rip off my carrier for my data use or anything like that, i just want to make calls on my current network, using my R800x.
I wrote 3$n because some places will delete your post or even ban you just for mentioning the word, which is silly since all we're trying to do is exchange some theoretical knowledge.
Anyway thanks for your response RogueLeader.

freddycheeba said:
My Esn is clear, but i already have service with another cdma provider- one who has very limited choices as far as phones go. I have no intention of trying to rip off my carrier for my data use or anything like that, i just want to make calls on my current network, using my R800x.
I wrote 3$n because some places will delete your post or even ban you just for mentioning the word, which is silly since all we're trying to do is exchange some theoretical knowledge.
Anyway thanks for your response RogueLeader.
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So your carrier just plain won't accept your Xperia Play's ESN, so you're trying to swap on one from another phone? Good plan, but like I said it seems like something thats not likely possible (or hey maybe it is and just no one's done it yet). I'd be interested to hear if this works out. Also pretty ridiculous if its true that they just won't take it, but then again Verizon won't accept non Verizon cdma phones as far as I know, but we expect them to suck.
As for this place its pretty heavily monitored, so if your post goes somewhere they don't want, it doesn't matter what words you use they will delete it for you ..

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Bad esn for whatever reason, it's still a bad esn. Metro does have the power and tools to flash SOME phones to their network. BUT a lot of these phones will not be fully functional, whether it's the internet or mms, etc. but here's the thing, we here are not metro pcs, we are consumers, ask metro, if they don't have an answer we will more than likely not have one either.
you will just piss some people off with your poor search and investigative skills.
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Just bought used Atrix, AT&T auto data upgrade

I just bought a used Atrix from a friend and don't want or need data. Plenty of wifi around me.
I have done some research on how to get around AT&T's auto data upgrade and it seems like everybody who gets a new iPhone who doesn't want or need data does the sim card swap. This is where they get a new sim card, put it in their old phone, call att and data block it, then put the new sim into their new iPhone. My question is, is this the only way to get around the auto upgrade? And will this work with any smart phone, not just the iPhone?
Sorry if this is an old topic, but I searched and couldn't find a suitable answer so I figured I'd come to the pro's.

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For all of your questions relating to the AT&T Motorola Atrix 4G

Just call them and be like you cannot afford it. If the rep refuses ask for the manager, if he refuses ask them for the corporate number and call them. I did that few times to get early upgrades and always worked.
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The SIM card trick stopped working a while back, its impossible to not get a data plan with a smartphone now on AT&T unless you find a way to spoof your IMEI, which you're not going to find anything on because its illegal in some countries. Sorry.
They really shouldnt be able to force people to get data plans if they dont want them (for non-subsidized phones), but for now there's not much that can be done about it.

I don't think there is a way to avoid this since the minute you turn your phone on, they have your IMEI and all the other info based off of that. They made it very clear that you can't use smartphone without data plan. It will be added automatically

mac208x said:
Just call them and be like you cannot afford it. If the rep refuses ask for the manager, if he refuses ask them for the corporate number and call them. I did that few times to get early upgrades and always worked.
How did u get an early upgrade?
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Jotokun said:
... its impossible... unless you find a way to spoof your IMEI... its illegal in some countries.
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that's ridiculous. anyone know why?
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They really shouldnt be able to force people to get data plans if they dont want them (for non-subsidized phones)
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+1
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ifalldownalot said:
that's ridiculous. anyone know why?
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Smarter thieves often change a phone's IMEI number so that if a device is reported stolen, its harder to track. Also a way to get around having a phone's specific IMEI number banned from a network, again usually because of theft.