Motorola to merge with Google - Milestone 2 General

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/motorola-mobilitys-shareholders-approve-google-merger/63879
Well, it's not just a purchase anymore. Google wants to merge with Motorola!

looks promising!

Oh man... First Nokia with Microsoft, now Motorola with Google... When will Apple merge with Samsung?

carpet55 said:
Oh man... First Nokia with Microsoft, now Motorola with Google... When will Apple merge with Samsung?
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quoting spice girls: "when 2 become 1"

good news. I hope Google will do better support, than Motorola. (And personally I think and believe, that Google will do better company from Motorola)

I don't think the use of the word "merger" makes any material difference to what were already aware of. Google plans to operate Motorola Mobility as a separate entity, and states it won't favour it over other manufacturers. This was a purchase for the numerous Motorola patents it holds.
Although I hope it will make a difference to Motorola's device support and updates, etc, I don't think it will - certainly in the short term.

They had plans of managing Motorola as a different company, but the merge possibility was presented to the shareholders and 99% of it D) said they want Motorola to merge with Google

well it sounds great, i hope that means faster updates for motorola users!

oh..i kinda like it...Lets hope Google will spreading the Motorola handphones here in Malaysia..cause currently only a few selected models sold here..a few i mean very little...

Motorlgle
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dynexell said:
oh..i kinda like it...Lets hope Google will spreading the Motorola handphones here in Malaysia..cause currently only a few selected models sold here..a few i mean very little...
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Buy overseas or move!

kylew1212 said:
Motorlgle
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Googrolla? Googorolla? Motoogle?

MegaBubbletea said:
Buy overseas or move!
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Hehehehe... Yeah.. Normally i look thru oversea seller.. Move out? Hurmmm... Nevertheless.. Android and Google will always my support..
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Blackberry will soon rest in peace...

josedb said:
Blackberry will soon rest in peace...
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Hehehehe.. Yeah.. I kinda agree with u on that matters..
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What do think about this?

Google aquiring Motorola Mobility.
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/supercharging-android-google-to-acquire.html?m=1
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Sounds like google is finally gonna get some type of protection from that cry baby *teve $obs, i mean he can only have some many lawsuites before people start getting tired of his failed attempts to keep iPhone on top
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I like the name Motoroogle (from an article i read on Extreme Tech) Has a nice ring too it. Lol
This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
notsointeresting said:
This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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Yeah i agree,and if they stay sensitive to allowing us control of our phones then when Htc or other partners get outta line Motoroogle will tell'm shape up or no more for you.
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This is great! We now know who is bringing the next nexus phone! and they will probably be doing it for a long time. This was probably the best company to merge with
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Do we? Don't most of the rumors still strongly point to Samsung?
Personally I dig it only because I like Google and want to see them armed with an arsenal of patents so that Android won't be killed by patent trolls. Never had a Moto phone myself but I haven't heard great things. Aren't they known for having crappy, break apart build quality?
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jesusice said:
Do we? Don't most of the rumors still strongly point to Samsung?
Personally I dig it only because I like Google and want to see them armed with an arsenal of patents so that Android won't be killed by patent trolls. Never had a Moto phone myself but I haven't heard great things. Aren't they known for having crappy, break apart build quality?
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yeah its still up in the air to who the next nexus phone is going too.
Well I will probably get flack for this, but here goes. Before you get all happy about this aquisition by Google. Remember who Motorola has been in bed with for the better part of their phone "Greatness" , Verizon . The original we're going to throttle your data, you better not be tethering (even though your paying for unlimited) , if we can't charge you for it you can't do it, we're going to control everything you do on your phone carrier. So even though it's Google new company, the employees are still the old regime. With the old habits, especially the Executives. I'll always remember a quote from one of Verizon's press releases stating " the Companies bottom line is always the most important aspect in considerations involving customers" . I understand this true for any company. But to say it in a press release like that says a lot about how they perceive their customer base. Yes, I understand this is only my opinon
No flack here,you make avalid point
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Google should have bought HTC.
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Google should have bought HTC.
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Yeah but do they have the patent portfolio tomake themselves as attractive? Hardware would have been superior.
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VICODAN said:
Google should have bought HTC.
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Couldn't agree more. I was just thinking that when I read about it our newspaper this morning.
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peanjr said:
Couldn't agree more. I was just thinking that when I read about it our newspaper this morning.
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Wouldn't make sense. HTC makes great phones but do not have the large patent portfolio that Moto has built up over many years in the mobile industry.
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i live in seattle and googles from redmond, theyve been on the news about this quite a bit and theyve even said themselves they just wanted the patent portfolio to help in defending android and the developers against apple, microsoft and the rest of the other bull**** patent trolls.
I see where this will certainly help Google, and Motorola, with regards to patent lawsuits. But how will this help Samsung, and HTC? Is Google going to step in, and say "Get out of here, patent troll....check this out....PWNT!!!"
tokuzumi said:
I see where this will certainly help Google, and Motorola, with regards to patent lawsuits. But how will this help Samsung, and HTC? Is Google going to step in, and say "Get out of here, patent troll....check this out....PWNT!!!"
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I'd imagine that since these patents are typically incredibly vague such as "scrolling menus" that if Apple sues HTC or Samsung over infringing on one of their vaguely worded patents then Google could jump in and brandish one of their equally vague patents and say that Google actually has the patent for it, not Apple.
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just so yall know i didnt see a splash screen for this new motoroogle or googlerola or whatever you want lol (it has only been a day) so i decided to make one. I posted it on im.nick.hellos new thread for splash screens along with some others i made.
I just have to wait for him to convert them into splash img format and a flashable.
SO GO CHECK IT OUT
BTW: I hope im not hijacking the thread. I dont think i am because it is technically about the thread in a way. but if i am please set me straight!
Edit: In regards to the post above there is no real reason to buy HTC
1)they are doing great on there own
2) HTC would not give up sense and google would not want sense
3) HTC would be like 3X the amount that Motorola was
4)Motorola already had made the commitment to android and that was its sole operating system unlike HTC where they make phones for WP7 and Android.
4) Motorolas patent portfolio is much bigger
5) Motorolas not getting sued lol
Just my 2 cents theres probably other reasons too
Google did it for the Patents
I heard its to help cover their a$$ with apple lawsuits
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You know it is,to go from having 317 patents to over 17,000 sure change the game. Literally from defense to offense,see if they give apple some of their own medicine .
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ICS launch postponed cause Jobs died.. wtf?

it appears that Samsung and Google have decided not to launch the Galaxy Nexus (or Nexus Prime, or whatever it's called) and Ice Cream Sandwich at their October 11th Unpacked event. The two companies sent out a joint announcement reading:
Samsung and Google decide to postpone the new product announcement at CTIA Fall. We agree that it is just not the right time to announce a new product. New date and venue will be shortly announced.
The press event on the 11th was expected to be not only the debut for the successor to the Nexus S, but our first good look at the next version of Android. For whatever reason the companies have decided to delay that launch. But, if Eric Schmidt is true to his word, we shouldn't have to wait too much longer... he did promise us that it would launch by November. We'll let you know as soon as we get a new date to expect "something big."
Update: A Samsung spokesperson issued a follow up statement to CNET, confirming speculation that the reveal was postponed out of respect, following the passing of Steve Jobs. "We believe this is not the right time to announce a new product as the world expresses tribute to Steve Jobs's passing," the spokesperson explained.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/10/07/samsung-and-google-postpone-ice-cream-sandwich-and-galaxy-nexus/
Ladies and gentlemen, a national tragedy has happened this past week
the delaying of ICS..many of us shall be in mourning
Something called respect. ICS would totally over shadow the passing of Jobs. Its a classy move on part of Google and Samsung.
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Do the people from columbia have a different definition of respect?
(even though I joke I do agree it was the right call by google and samsung)
andrew.cambridge said:
Something called respect. ICS would totally over shadow the passing of Jobs. Its a classy move on part of Google and Samsung.
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Couldnt agree more. Not only that, but if they did go through with the event they probably would have gotten a lot of criticism from people who didnt realize this was planned out far in advance.
Totally understandable and couldn't expect less...
Nice move.
Respect where respect is due. RIP Steve!
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I understand the whole "respect for the dead" thing, but it still feels "weird" that they would delay this with all the lawsuits that Apple and Google had.
Would anyone else here do the same thing if you were constantly getting sued?...
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would steve have put off the apple keynote if eric schmidt had died?
no
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would steve have put off the apple keynote if eric schmidt had died?
no
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Oh, great. You know what Steve would have done. Cool.
Quick! Put in for a job with Apple. And on your resume, don't include anything but the phrase "I know what Steve would have done".
You, sir, will single-handedly lead Apple into the new era.
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Oh, great. You know what Steve would have done. Cool.
Quick! Put in for a job with Apple. And on your resume, don't include anything but the phrase "I know what Steve would have done".
You, sir, will single-handedly lead Apple into the new era.
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My thoughts exactly...
Lol
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ifalldownalot said:
Oh, great. You know what Steve would have done. Cool.
Quick! Put in for a job with Apple. And on your resume, don't include anything but the phrase "I know what Steve would have done".
You, sir, will single-handedly lead Apple into the new era.
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Rayan said:
My thoughts exactly...
Lol
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you can be sarcastic all you want, but the truth is, other people respected steve, but steve respected noone publicly.
i can almost guarantee that he would not have put off a keynote due to someone else's death.
the man, while brilliant and revolutionary, was a ****
If you read.....they are only delaying the announcement not the release date. The delay of the announcement days after Steves passing is respectable and I actually like google/samsung more for doing so. Without the launch of the phone I think smartphones wouldn't be where they are today due to competitiveness.
It's basically just good public relations.
You don't want to make a major product announcement in an environment where it is not the biggest story of the day. The tech press and the mainstream media are still focused on Jobs and Apple.
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you can be sarcastic all you want, but the truth is, other people respected steve, but steve respected noone publicly.
i can almost guarantee that he would not have put off a keynote due to someone else's death.
the man, while brilliant and revolutionary, was a ****
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All I'm gonna say is for those that want to know "more" about Steve Jobs (and Gates for that matter), watch "Pirates of Silicon Valley".
You can find it in YouTube for free to watch.
IMO that is a 4 star movie (lots of drama too in there), and definitely worth watching!...
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+1
Pirateghost said:
you can be sarcastic all you want, but the truth is, other people respected steve, but steve respected noone publicly.
i can almost guarantee that he would not have put off a keynote due to someone else's death.
the man, while brilliant and revolutionary, was a ****
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I have to say I agree.
what exactly is ics and will atrix get it? or is it just for other android phones
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ltdanno360 said:
what exactly is ics and will atrix get it? or is it just for other android phones
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My mistake, sorry.
Phoneguy589 said:
Its just an optimized operating system like cm7 without all the extra junk manufacturers add to the phone like blur.
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oh kool
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Phoneguy589 said:
Its just an optimized operating system like cm7 without all the extra junk manufacturers add to the phone like blur.
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no, ICS is the next Android update that Google is making. it's going to merge Honeycomb and Gingerbread into one OS, and then it will be released to companies like Moto and Samsung. then we will see an ICS update in the future, with blur or touchwiz incorporated into the system.
it's just the next major update to Android ICS = Ice Cream Sandwich.

[INFO] Google creates similar app like Siri but much clearer

Apple's Siri voice control system is as a 'digital personal assistant' designed to allow you to talk to your phone like you talk to other people.
Many Google Android functions already have similar apps built in - although not quite to the specifications of Apple's much-hyped control systems.
Now it seems Google may be about to unveil an official Android rival to Siri - called Majel after Majel Barrett-Roddenberry, the actor who played the voice of the Starship Enterprise in Star Trek.
The name was reported by sources speaking to the Android and Me blog this week.
The name tallies with earlier comments from Google staffers about a 'Star Trek'-like approach.
Google is definitely working on such a system - and this week announced that it had acquired the company Clever Sense, which offers a voice control app.
'I say this year because I’ve heard that engineers at Google X are working around the clock on finishing the first release and the NYTimes previously reported that one product would be released by Google X this year,' wrote Android and Me.
Google X is the search giant's 'blue sky ideas' division - a secretive lab where engineers are free to go wild with ideas such as talking fridges and lifts that take you to space.
'A January or February release might be more realistic,' said Android and Me. 'Other more advanced features like controlling phone actions and applications with natural language commands are expected to come later.'
In earlier interviews, Google acknowledged that it was indeed working on such as product - and that it would be rather like the voice of the Starship Enterprise.
'Our approach is more like Star Trek, the Starship Enterprise - everything is voice-aware,' said Google's Matias Duarte.
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Looks like a good idea, and I can't wait to reboot my phone and hear, Last time on your nexus S!
Hope there will be a French support version ...
OMG! my dream has come true
Im glad they are doing away with the quirks and making it more serious, I don't really like the idea of my phone making jokes when I ask it to do something for me
This doesn't seem to be that big of a deal. I have never found a use, really, for Voice Recognition on my phone.
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Im glad they are doing away with the quirks and making it more serious, I don't really like the idea of my phone making jokes when I ask it to do something for me
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Lol
tapa tapa tapa
Watch, Apple will try and sue. lol
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Watch, Apple will try and sue. lol
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Why wouldn't they?! They invented the telephone, all software, and talking, so it's a clear violation...
Skv012a said:
Watch, Apple will try and sue. lol
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Apple will do it 100%.. they cant keep up with us
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Not really a fan of voice command.. dun think it will be that useful as well
might just be me
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Why wouldn't they?! They invented the telephone, all software, and talking, so it's a clear violation...
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Haha this was to funny
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pwsfinest said:
They invented the telephone, all software, and talking, so it's a clear violation...
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The talking part made me spit my drink out of my mouth from laughing... so thanks for that.
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Siri-like function is really not useful in non-English-speaking countries. So I don't expect it at all.
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Why wouldn't they?! They invented the telephone, all software, and talking, so it's a clear violation...
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Apple invented ALL THAT?! youmust be f*cking kidding me
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why apple is always the first one ?
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Why wouldn't they?! They invented the telephone, all software, and talking, so it's a clear violation...
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Lol, can't tell if serious or just really dumb.
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Well, apple just applied for a patent on, well basically multitasking. Something their phone doesn't even really do.
I wonder how long it will take for them to blow all their cash suing other companies.
The sooner the better IMO.
I hope Google gets majel to do the voice for this app. Then fire a couple quantum photon torpedoes at Apple and make them have no patents and have to pay licenses to every single tech company in the world.
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bmt25 said:
Apple invented ALL THAT?! youmust be f*cking kidding me
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Sarcasm bro ...
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dope
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Let's ask Punit Soni for the Kernel Sources of the ICS LEAK

Punit Soni needs to know that there is a lot of people intested in the kernel source of their incomplete work on ICS.
Let's ask him for that https://plus.google.com/111499908439497508351
I think it could help us to get an working ICS =)
Thank you Guys!
We were lucky to get anything other than a standard textbook reply from Motorola. Motorola will never release source as it has a lot of proprietary code and drivers to which they might no longer have rights to. Also, I can't imagine them releasing it only to be told that unpaid enthusiasts were able to do what their employees couldn't.
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scanuto said:
Punit Soni needs to know that there is a lot of people intested in the kernel source of their incomplete work on ICS.
Let's ask him for that https://plus.google.com/111499908439497508351
I think it could help us to get an working ICS =)
Thank you Guys!
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I don't think Punit Soni is the right guy for that.
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We were lucky to get anything other than a standard textbook reply from Motorola. Motorola will never release source as it has a lot of proprietary code and drivers to which they might no longer have rights to. Also, I can't imagine them releasing it only to be told that unpaid enthusiasts were able to do what their employees couldn't.
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But if we get only the GPL sources, we could use the proprietary libraries in the leak. If the proprietary libraries are ok, then we could fix the problems with the leak's kernel (like battery drain, deep sleep).
In fact, looks like they have reasons to not release the GPL sources... But doesn't hurt to ask Punit Soni about it...
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I don't think Punit Soni is the right guy for that.
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Why not? He is the vice president of motorola and he's open to suggestions on his google plus page...
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Why not? He is the vice president of motorola and he's open to suggestions on his google plus page...
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He isnt the vice president of moto. He is the vice president of product management. For about a month straight the atrix and photon community asked him over and over to do something to no avail. By all means, try again. But just saying, its been done before.
Well let's just add a layer of anger. I'm pretty bored of this crappy company not giving us what we need.
imho Punit is the guy that's responsible for the cancellation of ICS update. He was talking about bitter decisions before the announcement.
And as an employee of Google, he wont give anything that will give more life to Atrix.
If you want a phone with 4.x, sell your Atrix or work some overtime and buy another phone.
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If you want a phone with 4.x, sell your Atrix or work some overtime and buy another phone.
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May I ask why are you still following Atrix threads and posting posts like this?! If you have or made decision to buy another phone, just buy it and leave others without your advises.
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If you want a phone with 4.x, sell your Atrix or work some overtime and buy another phone.
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Thanks for the advice. But couldn't you tell me how to get 300€ to get a Nexus 4 ? I bought my Atrix 6 months ago and I waited something like 6 months to buy it.
I think its worth a try to get a reply of what he thinks of helping us!
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I think its worth a try to get a reply of what he thinks of helping us!
after all I wonder why motorola abandoned atrix while samsung gave updates to galaxy r...
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Besides that, i don't see so many posts about the kernel source there
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Besides that, i don't see so many posts about the kernel source there
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I think we should make this as a hot post and
make atrix users post comments for need of atrix ics or kernel in his g+:fingers-crossed:
Krystian Plonski posted about engineering atrixes with enabled uart on headset jack. Let's put a "+1" on his request!!
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Krystian Plonski posted about engineering atrixes with enabled uart on headset jack. Let's put a "+1" on his request!!
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Zeljko1234 said:
May I ask why are you still following Atrix threads and posting posts like this?! If you have or made decision to buy another phone, just buy it and leave others without your advises.
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Because I still use the Atrix, obviously. See how it does that nifty trick of saying what its sent with?
I'm not sitting here complaining about ICS for the Atrix. I use CM10 If you want ICS, get another phone. Very simple. Like me, I'm working overtime to buy another phone. But trying to spam a guy isn't going to get ICS on your phone.
And I should point out you are in the wrong place to tell someone they can't advise people abut phones.
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This is not first time that you're giving that kind of advice. Someone is not willing to work overtime or just can't. Someone just like Atrix size and features, doesn't need anything better... So many reasons.
Actually you're wrong. I had Desire. HTC announced that will not be GB update. Community was so loud that HTC change its mind. If a lot of people request, Motorola must do something. The worst thing is to do what you did, buy another phone (doesn't matter which vendor) because that's exactly what vendors wish!
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This is not first time that you're giving that kind of advice. Someone is not willing to work overtime or just can't. Someone just like Atrix size and features, doesn't need anything better... So many reasons.
Actually you're wrong. I had Desire. HTC announced that will not be GB update. Community was so loud that HTC change its mind. If a lot of people request, Motorola must do something. The worst thing is to do what you did, buy another phone (doesn't matter which vendor) because that's exactly what vendors wish!
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Buy Nexus. Problem solved. If you don't, don't expect updates. View them as miracles if they get pushed trough.
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I saw your post before you deleted. Read more carefully next time

Moto X now a Lenovo phone

We all knew it was coming, but it looks like Motorola has finally officially changed hands from Google to Lenovo. I went to their site this morning and got a new flash animation site entry trailer that said Motorola a Lenovo Company. The 2014 X was certainly a product of the Google era, it will be interesting to see which way it goes now.
As long as they don't screw with quick updates and the performance of these phones, I don't care.
Well i ordered my moto x yesterday through motomaker. It already has been assembled and is now shipping from shenzen. I have to say i am living in Germany
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Shouldn't really change much for these devices, Google is still in the works with Motorola due to the Nexus 6. So in terms of "3rd parties" outside of Google, Moto should be getting the updates for L out the quickest (helped by their stock approach as well).
It's still A "Motorola" phone. Parent company changing doesn't suddenly change that.
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From Moto's blog:
"We will continue to focus on pure Android and fast upgrades, and remain committed to developing technology to solve real consumer problems. "
http://motorola-blog.blogspot.com/2014/10/hello-lenovo.html
Wait... What.... Google sold Motorola?
mario24601 said:
Wait... What.... Google sold Motorola?
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Dude, take a peek out from under that rock every once in a while.
mario24601 said:
Wait... What.... Google sold Motorola?
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You must be joking right ?
Motorola - An iconic brand with it's own character.
What I want and expect is it remains Motorola forever. I bought my last Moto when company was dying, it was an Atrix 2 which is still my primary and only phone I have been using since more than 2.5 years. That time I though it may turn out my last Moto. But I am feeling so glad and lucky that company bounced back so strongly and today I have few great choices as my upgrade options. :good:
Though would have liked to see ownership of the company would have remained in the hands of Motorola itself or atleast in hands of Google.
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Dude, take a peek out from under that rock every once in a while.
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Faruko said:
You must be joking right ?
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Yes guys...it was a joke
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Yes guys...it was a joke
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Are you sure? Lol

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