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[CLOSED/G2] Discussion on GPU

I've read on Androidandme.com that the MSM7X30 will be coupled with the adreno 205
Quote :"The new Adreno 205 offers about 4x the graphics performance of the previous Snapdragon (Adreno 200), which is around the equivalent of a PowerVR SGX535"
http://androidandme.com/2010/08/new...ot-a-little-bit-faster-msm7230-cpu-confirmed/
Is this to be expected or are reports the reports of using the old Adreno 200 correct?
Either way very excited for new T-mobile hardware with a keyboard

Check this out
Check out what AndroidSPIN says about it

comparison of the 200 in current snapdragons and the new 205

Crap, might have to wait for this. I know it will be popular! I can't image anything in 3D on this.

i hope im wrong but it looks like the cpu wont be operating at 1ghz

souljaboy said:
i hope im wrong but it looks like the cpu wont be operating at 1ghz
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Information I'm getting is its 1ghz, with an on-board Adreno 205 GPU.
But nothing is confirmed yet, so who knows.

hopefully some sources can leak us some official specs soon and we can find out what this puppy does. i will talk to my htc friend and see what he can find out for us

Im also seeing official Price of $199 with 2yr contract, $499 without.

yeah, you can see at the top of the pic on tmonews that the page was meant for internal use so i would suspect that to be the final answer on price, and as far as the specs we have so far 500 seems to be a fair price compared to some other phones

@tubaking, i hope you don't mind, but i absolutely HAD to steal you Greatest Video Ever link from your sig and incorporate it into mine.
I'm sorry but i just HAD TO!

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@tubaking, i hope you don't mind, but i absolutely HAD to steal you Greatest Video Ever link from your sig and incorporate it into mine.
I'm sorry but i just HAD TO!
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have at it, i found it posted elsewhere on XDA

http://t-mobilescoop.com/HSPADEVICE
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So one question, didnt Google say that Gingerbread will only work on 1ghz cpus? Does that mean that the G2 wouldnt get Gingerbread?

those specs have been debunked, and this should be better than having faster CPU since we have great GPU

Plus, we'll be able to OC this baby to 1 GHZ or more anyways. This is gonna be awesome! I kind of wish I hadn't gotten the MTS now. Well, I got it when it first came and G1 was on its last figurative leg anyways. At the time, I had no idea the G2 would be coming out 3 months later. Oh well, I'll end up selling this one or keep it as a backup...

Very interesting... This could be a noob question but do you think you could overclock a gpu for better graphics performance...?
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I keep telling myself that it will perform better but I can't convince myself that that's enough...

Gingerbread min reqs?
Someone above said the 1ghz processor requirement for gingerbread (NOT overclocked to 1ghz) is debunked. Where? Is that official? Would be blasphemy to release the G2 without adequate specs to get gingerbread...

kalipedia said:
Someone above said the 1ghz processor requirement for gingerbread (NOT overclocked to 1ghz) is debunked. Where? Is that official? Would be blasphemy to release the G2 without adequate specs to get gingerbread...
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absolutely no way that either htc or t-mobile would release an android phone that is not upgradeable to the next iteration of the OS.

kalipedia said:
Someone above said the 1ghz processor requirement for gingerbread (NOT overclocked to 1ghz) is debunked. Where? Is that official? Would be blasphemy to release the G2 without adequate specs to get gingerbread...
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It was debunked by Google themselves. It was only the suggested clock speed.
http://gizmodo.com/5578055/android-gingerbread-rumors-dismissed-by-google-on-twitter

From nexus one to T-Mobile G2/HTC desire z.

I was thinking. About getting the new T-Mobile g2 when it comes out. Is it worth it to switch. I read that the new processor is even better the samsungs. Do you think. Its worth it?
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Unless you want a keyboard, of course not.
It's 99% the same phone, but with a keyboard.

I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.

I know there are alot of similarities but i keep hearing that the phone has better battery a faster processor, and faster speeds in HSPA+ also witha keyboard. since I mainly use it for texting i find it hard to find a reason especialy since sliders are rare in android unless your on Verizon.(Tmobile) to not get it aside form the fact that in 3-4 months there will be alot of better dual core phones.

metalhead8816 said:
I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
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I highly doubt dual cores will be out that quick. It would be nice tho
Paul: its actually a very different phone, scorpion processor with adreno 205, big improvement on snapdragon
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I'd switch in a heartbeat if I had a job to pay for it, if the device is as open as our beloved N1, and if the 3G was triband. We didn't read the final spec sheet but IIRC the 3G is only dual-band, making it impossible for us Europeans to roam to the USA.
That's pretty sad for such an awesome HSPA+ phone. But maybe the spec sheet I found is wrong and the radio actually IS triband!

G0belet said:
I'd switch in a heartbeat if I had a job to pay for it, if the device is as open as our beloved N1, and if the 3G was triband. We didn't read the final spec sheet but IIRC the 3G is only dual-band, making it impossible for us Europeans to roam to the USA.
That's pretty sad for such an awesome HSPA+ phone. But maybe the spec sheet I found is wrong and the radio actually IS triband!
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more importantly, it doesn't have vanilla android because you get some seperate preinstalled apps like swype. So you won't get Android updates as early as Nexus One Users with stock android. This is a KO criteria for me. I want to get the updates first, as soon as google rolls them out, and not wait for tmobile to release them.

Why is it that vanilla Android cannot be installed on a TMo phone?

I'm getting one. Sexy phone. To me, at least.

The phone is not that close to a nexus, the g 2 will run much faster than the nexus with second gen chipset and supports faster speeds, better battery life, keyboard and handles flash better its def a decent upgrade and its sexy
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metalhead8816 said:
I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
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Agreed. The specs are too close to the N1 to try to ride out for a year(I know I can't go two years with the same phone so I try to get something that won't leave me mad for more than 6 months as new hardware comes out.) 5mp camera? No sale. I'm waiting for a dual core, higher megapixels, HD out, 720p video and a coupon for a half-price on a hooker.

RellikZephyr said:
I highly doubt dual cores will be out that quick. It would be nice tho
Paul: its actually a very different phone, scorpion processor with adreno 205, big improvement on snapdragon
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Mytouch HD is coming out this year and has dual snapdragon processors.

I want to see some benchmarks and reviews before getting the G2. The N1 is still a great phone.

I will be waiting for something that has specs like the rumored HD7.. dual core 1.2g processors and 4.3-4.5 inch screen and 1g of ram. When i see this I will make the switch

I would wait for reviews before upgrading. At least that's what I'm going to do.
I may hold out until after the myTouch HD comes out. Because I'm wondering how many other dual core will follow for TMobile. I'm thinking TMobile may not see any other nicer higher end phones than the G2 and myT HD until Fall of 2011.

Shahpur.Azizpour said:
more importantly, it doesn't have vanilla android because you get some seperate preinstalled apps like swype. So you won't get Android updates as early as Nexus One Users with stock android. This is a KO criteria for me. I want to get the updates first, as soon as google rolls them out, and not wait for tmobile to release them.
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Preinstalled Apps, such as Swype, run on top of Vanilla Android. There is a very small modification that we make to the framework to make Swype work properly, but this is not nearly the same as complete frameworks like TouchWiz or SenseUI. Those types of frameworks need to be heavily modified to maintain compatibility with each release. In many ways, it is the driver support that holds back rapid rollouts for different phones, Vanilla Android or not. If the kernel is a new version, those drivers need to be recompiled and perhaps rewritten, and those come from the OEMs and their suppliers.

Quantumstate said:
Why is it that vanilla Android cannot be installed on a TMo phone?
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What are you talking about?
G1, MyTouch 3G, MyTouch Slide, Nexus One, and HD2(these are the only ones off the top of my head) all have vanilla ported onto them.

The Nexus one, Mytouch 3g, and g1 have always had vanilla android.

Godammit, this is why I'm asking. If Cyanogenmod can be installed on these other phones, why is there so much crowing about how the N1 is special? WTF is it that makes the N1 better than the others, from a software perspective? This is what I am trying to find out, but nobody seems to actually know, in their conscious mind anyway.

Quantumstate said:
, this is why I'm asking. If Cyanogenmod can be installed on these other phones, why is there so much crowing about how the N1 is special? WTF is it that makes the N1 better than the others, from a software perspective? This is what I am trying to find out, but nobody seems to actually know, in their conscious mind anyway.
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if you'll notice, the majority of folks are not crowing about the nexus from a software perspective, or any android based phone for that matter... the big deal is (ok WAS) the hardware.
each time a new android based phone is released, people don't get excited about android version 2.x.x.x, they want the HARDWARE because in most cases if it ships android, it can run any version android. the hardware makes a huge difference.
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Evo 2

Don't remember the thread but a while back some guy here said the evo 2 would be out by the end of the year and everybody said he was stupid well I guess he was right
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lolwut? There is no EVO 2.

kwajr said:
Don't remember the thread but a while back some guy here said the evo 2 would be out by the end of the year and everybody said he was stupid well I guess he was right
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It's just a Desire Z renamed as the EVO Shift to ride off of the EVO's marketing. Wouldn't exactly call it the EVO 2.

Evo shift
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I wouldn't either but when someone says there is an evo 2 coming out months before everyone hears about it and the phone says evo the dude is right
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kwajr said:
I wouldn't either but when someone says there is an evo 2 coming out months before everyone hears about it and the phone says evo the dude is right
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God damn I hate this thank you button, anyway I was trying to reply and I hit the thank you button by accident.
Anyway, I bet you that by the end of 2011 there will be an evo 2 and I bet that by the end of 2012 there will be an evo 3. My point is anyone can make a broad generalization, its all about the specifics. Now if the person said 5 months ago that it will have a slide out keyboard with a 3.6" screen with a 2nd gen snapdragon running 800mhz then thats different.

Related question...does anyone have any idea what Sprint devices will be out in early June 2011 when us launch day people will be eligible for upgrade? Seems like we knew about the EVO/supersonic for months and months before release. I wouldn't mind a 4G tablet...
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kwajr said:
I wouldn't either but when someone says there is an evo 2 coming out months before everyone hears about it and the phone says evo the dude is right
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What? Can you not read? It's not the EVO 2. It's just a different model with a slide out keyboard, and no hardware improvements at all. In fact, it's the opposite of a hardware improvement; it's got an 800MHz processor.
The EVO 2 will probably have a dual-core and better GPU to fit the requirements of 3.0

sdc177 said:
Related question...does anyone have any idea what Sprint devices will be out in early June 2011 when us launch day people will be eligible for upgrade? Seems like we knew about the EVO/supersonic for months and months before release. I wouldn't mind a 4G tablet...
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Your guess is as good as anyone elses.

evo shift is not the evo 2, is like saying the droid incredible was the droid 2??? no pfff,

CarterF said:
What? Can you not read? It's not the EVO 2. It's just a different model with a slide out keyboard, and no hardware improvements at all. In fact, it's the opposite of a hardware improvement; it's got an 800MHz processor.
The EVO 2 will probably have a dual-core and better GPU to fit the requirements of 3.0
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How many times does it need to be said that the 800 MHz CPU in the newer HTC phones are better. Plus the GPU is not absolute crap.
I bet you the EVO 2 will have the same 2nd gen Qualcomm as the current HTCs. And then two months later HTC will release dual cores. And although I do believe that Honeycomb will require a decent GPU, there are no known requirements.
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Award Tour said:
How many times does it need to be said that the 800 MHz CPU in the newer HTC phones are better. Plus the GPU is not absolute crap.
I bet you the EVO 2 will have the same 2nd gen Qualcomm as the current HTCs. And then two months later HTC will release dual cores. And although I do believe that Honeycomb will require a decent GPU, there are no known requirements.
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Personally, I believe that the evo 2 will more than likely have a dual core processor. I would even guess it will be atleast 1.2ghz dual core with 1gig of ram.

Award Tour said:
How many times does it need to be said that the 800 MHz CPU in the newer HTC phones are better. Plus the GPU is not absolute crap.
I bet you the EVO 2 will have the same 2nd gen Qualcomm as the current HTCs. And then two months later HTC will release dual cores. And although I do believe that Honeycomb will require a decent GPU, there are no known requirements.
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Don't think anyone is denying that the new internals aren't a step up, as that's obviously the case. But also not quite sure who would honestly see it as a second Gen Evo. I would personally hope that HTC would really take advantage of next Gen dual core CPUs and make a true Evo successor. A man can dream but only time will tell. I would hope to see no keyboard as well...for obvious reasons.
SWYPED from my SUPASONIC

CarterF said:
What? Can you not read? It's not the EVO 2. It's just a different model with a slide out keyboard, and no hardware improvements at all. In fact, it's the opposite of a hardware improvement; it's got an 800MHz processor.
The EVO 2 will probably have a dual-core and better GPU to fit the requirements of 3.0
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A) Its not the EVO 2 its the EVO shift. You are correct
B) How is a 800mhz processor that runs better than the Snapdragon not an improvement? Believe that it is supposed to have the 205 GPU instead of the 200, that's an improvement as well.
C) If the CPU and the GPU are both BETTER, how can you say it doesn't have any hardware improvements? It should be a sound device, very capable, I'm sure they'll sell a ton of them, I've always thought HTC had better build quality than Samsung, (because they do).

tangstang said:
A) Its not the EVO 2 its the EVO shift. You are correct
B) How is a 800mhz processor that runs better than the Snapdragon not an improvement? Believe that it is supposed to have the 205 GPU instead of the 200, that's an improvement as well.
C) If the CPU and the GPU are both BETTER, how can you say it doesn't have any hardware improvements? It should be a sound device, very capable, I'm sure they'll sell a ton of them, I've always thought HTC had better build quality than Samsung, (because they do).
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You are totally correct the EVO shift4G is a cdma port of the G2 with a different screen so yes it is better in alot of ways, but EVO2 it is not. as for the 4g tab there is one comming code name right now is Shift4G not EVO Shift but just plain old Shift specs are varied right now so there are no confirmed specs right now

I want my evo 2 to have a 5 inch screen, a dual core processor, 16gb internal memory, tegra2 graphics....and 3 more wishes

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I want my evo 2 to have a 5 inch screen, a dual core processor, 16gb internal memory, tegra2 graphics....and 3 more wishes
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It should have a 3.7 or 4 inch screen with better resolution. Dual core is meh - I would rather have better app optimization.

Jbcarrera said:
You are totally correct the EVO shift4G is a cdma port of the G2 with a different screen so yes it is better in alot of ways, but EVO2 it is not. as for the 4g tab there is one comming code name right now is Shift4G not EVO Shift but just plain old Shift specs are varied right now so there are no confirmed specs right now
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I know radioshack is advertising it will go on sale on the 9th.... it isn't in the playbook yet, hasn't shown any specs for it yet, and the prices change on the 9th... the Shift isn't mentioned on it. Seems kinda weird.

werxen said:
It should have a 3.7 or 4 inch screen with better resolution. Dual core is meh - I would rather have better app optimization.
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I will never again have a phone with less than a 4.3 inch screen, I don't care how awesome it may be or cheap to buy
my evo fits my 6ft 5 body very well but bigger is better, heck gimme a tablet that can make calls and will tether to my laptop

seriously 4.3 is the sweet spot, but i wouldn't cry over a 4" screen. HTC whats the haps on your tablet? seriously knock that crap out so we can buy your tablet
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I will never again have a phone with less than a 4.3 inch screen, I don't care how awesome it may be or cheap to buy
my evo fits my 6ft 5 body very well but bigger is better, heck gimme a tablet that can make calls and will tether to my laptop
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isn't htc sensation just the update of the desire HD

most of the stupid things in desire HD were fixed but not a big step.
Cannot they push it out at the time desire HD was out? At that time,
it will be the ONE.

henrik.dk said:
most of the stupid things in desire HD were fixed but not a big step.
Cannot they push it out at the time desire HD was out? At that time,
it will be the ONE.
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Good question, I don't think Qualcomm Dual core processors are completely available at the release of our DHD. May be the reason HTC can push all those things into DHD, but it would be possible by now or even some time later. So we need to wait for DHD instead of waiting for Sensation. And from HTC side, they will loose the market if they won't ship products continuously with slight upgrade.
Any way I am going to sell my DHD for Sensation.
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It's a pretty big step in my opinion. Next gen dual core Qualcomm processor, new Andreno 220 graphics chip, higher resolution QHD display, MHL for HDMI output over USB, 1080p video recording, front facing camera, new Bluetooth 3.0 chip, larger battery, and a brand new version of Sense. Yeah, small upgrade .

I agree, it's a pretty big upgrade. Even if the processors were available when the DHD was released, they wouldn't have been when the hardware specs were finalised, which would have been months before the release.

Drool. But of course ill have to wait for 850/900 canadian 3g bands

What a blasphemous topic!! The DHD is an OLD Sense 2.0 based device, with a mere Adreno 205 GPU and a sub-par display... This is a godly re-imagining of Android, and while it has the same size, RAM, ROM, Camera.... Ok I can see the similarities LMAO But it still has Sense 3.0!! Along with a GPU that blows everything else out of the water

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Drool. But of course ill have to wait for 850/900 canadian 3g bands
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Fear not!! Many European phones bear these bands, so it should be no more than... 7-8 months on Telus, and maybe half that for Bell LOL

Yes it is and your point being, it is in manufacturers interest to keep the spec reasonable so they can make the best profit and have something in hand for when they get trumped. Anyone buying a top spec device risks disappointment when it is usurped mere months down the line by the next big thing.

On their official facebook page HTC just said:
"Clarification: There are aspects of the latest HTC Sense that won’t work on some of our previous devices. We are working to incorporate other aspects that will. Stay tuned."
So there's still hope for parts of sense 3.0 officially being put on our DHD even if it's not the whole thing

sromer said:
On their official facebook page HTC just said:
"Clarification: There are aspects of the latest HTC Sense that won’t work on some of our previous devices. We are working to incorporate other aspects that will. Stay tuned."
So there's still hope for parts of sense 3.0 officially being put on our DHD even if it's not the whole thing
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Its all HTC marketing hype they just want you to buy a new phone to get sense 3. They are really getting very poor at supporting older phones. Thank heavens for cm7 so I don't have to wait a life time for GB with sense(less) added on top. IMHO.
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Tbh the new sense will look different but they aren't going to fix something which isn't broken, HTC are too smart for that, they'll add features to an already established product, and as for us being on the soon to be lower end of the spectrum, it's just a case of making do with what the custom rom makers can rustle up, i'm sure there will be some sort of sense 3.0 port on the DHD and other phones, there always is, i mean i have froyo running like a dream on my old hero which was never available from HTC as an upgrade afaik.
So don't worry about your DHD just yet because theres plenty of life left in it

It's really a big deal...

For those on the fence about EVO3D...HTC Kingdom

I just read about this and thought it was interesting. Certainly provides another awesome alternative in Sprint's ever growing Android line up.
http://mobile.engadget.com/2011/05/05/htcs-kingdom-destined-for-sprint-now-with-less-blurrycam-and-m/

Kingdom is the $50 phone option for bad credit, poor people.
Or the doesn't like super big badass phone but wanted one with some pep

Interesting . . . when I first heard about the Kingdom possibly being the EVO3d I figured it would include things too powerful for a flawless port to my current EVO.
Looking at the specs they have laid out for that, I imagine that a flawless port should be quite possible if Virus and crew keep up their awesome work.

So a new phone that's just a squeak better than the evo? I mean it does have the qHD screen so that alone might make it worth it if the price is right.

I would totally rock that device. Although my real intent is to get the 3d.
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I OC my phone to 1152, so its pretty much the same as this phone stock lol. So yea besides the slight bump and ram and a sharper screen it's an EVO 1.5.

I don't think I could go back to a 4" screen.

Its not the same as ocing an evo though. Its a second Gen processer like how the shift beats the evo even though its clocked lower.
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phatmanxxl said:
So a new phone that's just a squeak better than the evo?
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(thinks nexus s )

So its a Nexus 4g with all the carrier imposed update limitations and a Locked boot loader we'll need to crack
Pass.

Give me 4" w/ dual core, qhd please :/
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.

TerminusEst said:
Interesting . . . when I first heard about the Kingdom possibly being the EVO3d I figured it would include things too powerful for a flawless port to my current EVO.
Looking at the specs they have laid out for that, I imagine that a flawless port should be quite possible if Virus and crew keep up their awesome work.
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+1111....this port is going to kick some major behind...i have been following his thread since day 1. a gingerbread/sense 3.0 with working 4g...say goodbye to cm7

Wow... no need to take that personally... pretty sure the poster meant good by cm for their own use... not in general. Wow...

bjb_nyj101 said:
How old are you?
1. Who cares? If the jump from Gingerbread to Ice Cream is just as mediocre as FroYo to Gingerbread, the it's not a big deal.
2. Obviously. That's why HE is saying goodbye to cm7
3.Opinion
4. Nothing he said was ignorant ... but YOUR statement was.
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exactly i like sense, faster is an opinion, and before the argument starts...quadrant scores aren't everything...

Sprint's Droid Inc 2?
I'm guessing that this is Sprint's alternative to Verizon's Droid Incredible 2. The thing I am confused about is that I keep seeing that it runs on the MSM7630. I thought that it was an 800MHz chip?

kurtosterhage said:
I'm guessing that this is Sprint's alternative to Verizon's Droid Incredible 2. The thing I am confused about is that I keep seeing that it runs on the MSM7630. I thought that it was an 800MHz chip?
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It's probably the same chip overclocked to 1.2GHz.

That chip runs at three speeds... 800 1ghz and 1.3 ghz. Probably the 1.3 ghz version under clocked.