I was thinking. About getting the new T-Mobile g2 when it comes out. Is it worth it to switch. I read that the new processor is even better the samsungs. Do you think. Its worth it?
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Unless you want a keyboard, of course not.
It's 99% the same phone, but with a keyboard.
I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
I know there are alot of similarities but i keep hearing that the phone has better battery a faster processor, and faster speeds in HSPA+ also witha keyboard. since I mainly use it for texting i find it hard to find a reason especialy since sliders are rare in android unless your on Verizon.(Tmobile) to not get it aside form the fact that in 3-4 months there will be alot of better dual core phones.
metalhead8816 said:
I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
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I highly doubt dual cores will be out that quick. It would be nice tho
Paul: its actually a very different phone, scorpion processor with adreno 205, big improvement on snapdragon
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I'd switch in a heartbeat if I had a job to pay for it, if the device is as open as our beloved N1, and if the 3G was triband. We didn't read the final spec sheet but IIRC the 3G is only dual-band, making it impossible for us Europeans to roam to the USA.
That's pretty sad for such an awesome HSPA+ phone. But maybe the spec sheet I found is wrong and the radio actually IS triband!
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I'd switch in a heartbeat if I had a job to pay for it, if the device is as open as our beloved N1, and if the 3G was triband. We didn't read the final spec sheet but IIRC the 3G is only dual-band, making it impossible for us Europeans to roam to the USA.
That's pretty sad for such an awesome HSPA+ phone. But maybe the spec sheet I found is wrong and the radio actually IS triband!
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more importantly, it doesn't have vanilla android because you get some seperate preinstalled apps like swype. So you won't get Android updates as early as Nexus One Users with stock android. This is a KO criteria for me. I want to get the updates first, as soon as google rolls them out, and not wait for tmobile to release them.
Why is it that vanilla Android cannot be installed on a TMo phone?
I'm getting one. Sexy phone. To me, at least.
The phone is not that close to a nexus, the g 2 will run much faster than the nexus with second gen chipset and supports faster speeds, better battery life, keyboard and handles flash better its def a decent upgrade and its sexy
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I would wait until Q1 of 2011 when the dual-core 1.2ghz phones come out. Or at least that is what I am doing.
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Agreed. The specs are too close to the N1 to try to ride out for a year(I know I can't go two years with the same phone so I try to get something that won't leave me mad for more than 6 months as new hardware comes out.) 5mp camera? No sale. I'm waiting for a dual core, higher megapixels, HD out, 720p video and a coupon for a half-price on a hooker.
RellikZephyr said:
I highly doubt dual cores will be out that quick. It would be nice tho
Paul: its actually a very different phone, scorpion processor with adreno 205, big improvement on snapdragon
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Mytouch HD is coming out this year and has dual snapdragon processors.
I want to see some benchmarks and reviews before getting the G2. The N1 is still a great phone.
I will be waiting for something that has specs like the rumored HD7.. dual core 1.2g processors and 4.3-4.5 inch screen and 1g of ram. When i see this I will make the switch
I would wait for reviews before upgrading. At least that's what I'm going to do.
I may hold out until after the myTouch HD comes out. Because I'm wondering how many other dual core will follow for TMobile. I'm thinking TMobile may not see any other nicer higher end phones than the G2 and myT HD until Fall of 2011.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
more importantly, it doesn't have vanilla android because you get some seperate preinstalled apps like swype. So you won't get Android updates as early as Nexus One Users with stock android. This is a KO criteria for me. I want to get the updates first, as soon as google rolls them out, and not wait for tmobile to release them.
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Preinstalled Apps, such as Swype, run on top of Vanilla Android. There is a very small modification that we make to the framework to make Swype work properly, but this is not nearly the same as complete frameworks like TouchWiz or SenseUI. Those types of frameworks need to be heavily modified to maintain compatibility with each release. In many ways, it is the driver support that holds back rapid rollouts for different phones, Vanilla Android or not. If the kernel is a new version, those drivers need to be recompiled and perhaps rewritten, and those come from the OEMs and their suppliers.
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Why is it that vanilla Android cannot be installed on a TMo phone?
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What are you talking about?
G1, MyTouch 3G, MyTouch Slide, Nexus One, and HD2(these are the only ones off the top of my head) all have vanilla ported onto them.
The Nexus one, Mytouch 3g, and g1 have always had vanilla android.
Godammit, this is why I'm asking. If Cyanogenmod can be installed on these other phones, why is there so much crowing about how the N1 is special? WTF is it that makes the N1 better than the others, from a software perspective? This is what I am trying to find out, but nobody seems to actually know, in their conscious mind anyway.
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, this is why I'm asking. If Cyanogenmod can be installed on these other phones, why is there so much crowing about how the N1 is special? WTF is it that makes the N1 better than the others, from a software perspective? This is what I am trying to find out, but nobody seems to actually know, in their conscious mind anyway.
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if you'll notice, the majority of folks are not crowing about the nexus from a software perspective, or any android based phone for that matter... the big deal is (ok WAS) the hardware.
each time a new android based phone is released, people don't get excited about android version 2.x.x.x, they want the HARDWARE because in most cases if it ships android, it can run any version android. the hardware makes a huge difference.
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I recently read an article on the g2 where the hacking community has fully unlocked the g2 similar to what has been done to the g1 and nexus 1.
http://www.androidcentral.com/all-t-...-gets-defeated
My question is, why have the g2, g1 and nexus 1 been fully unlocked and other android phones such as the desire, evo, etc and phones like the samsung vibrant/galaxy s haven't? What makes the g1/2, nexus 1 different? Looking at it from a purely superficial vantage point, I can see that
g1,g2, nexus 1 all have:
Close to stock ROM
All are made by HTC
Qualcomm processors
T mobile network
I doubt any of these similarities have anything to do with it being fully unlocked as HTC makes several android phones such as the evo with qualcomm processors. The vibrant is on the T mobile network which is not fully unlocked. That just leaves being close to Stock ROM. Can anyone give me a quick/brief answer on why these phones have been unlocked so quickly?
I ask this because my next phone will be a native android phone and I want to be able to manipulate my phone similar to what you can do with a nexus 1.
I would guess developer support.
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I recently read an article on the g2 where the hacking community has fully unlocked the g2 similar to what has been done to the g1 and nexus 1.
http://www.androidcentral.com/all-t-...-gets-defeated
My question is, why have the g2, g1 and nexus 1 been fully unlocked and other android phones such as the desire, evo, etc and phones like the samsung vibrant/galaxy s haven't? What makes the g1/2, nexus 1 different? Looking at it from a purely superficial vantage point, I can see that
g1,g2, nexus 1 all have:
Close to stock ROM
All are made by HTC
Qualcomm processors
T mobile network
I doubt any of these similarities have anything to do with it being fully unlocked as HTC makes several android phones such as the evo with qualcomm processors. The vibrant is on the T mobile network which is not fully unlocked. That just leaves being close to Stock ROM. Can anyone give me a quick/brief answer on why these phones have been unlocked so quickly?
I ask this because my next phone will be a native android phone and I want to be able to manipulate my phone similar to what you can do with a nexus 1.
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first off i think it has to do with it being closely related to the nexus one, N1 being the benchmark developer phone. secondly, its a vanilla android handset, son to the godfather of android the G1, what other phone would you have fully unlocked? lastly, its probably due to the fact that it is by far, the best performing phone on the market ATM, with the semi stable 1.8 OC kernel and completely solid 1.5 oc kernel coupled with CM6.1. id also imagine that cyanogen has a little bit of say in it as he really pushed dev of CM6.1 to the g2 because of the hardware.
What exactly do you mean by fully unlocked? Vibrant is fully unlocked as well, AFAIK. Also, Desire HD, Desire Z & MT4G have the same protection as the G2. I'm sure they'll also be fully unlocked, just a matter of time, now that G2 is "fully unlocked".
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first off i think it has to do with it being closely related to the nexus one, N1 being the benchmark developer phone. secondly, its a vanilla android handset, son to the godfather of android the G1, what other phone would you have fully unlocked? lastly, its probably due to the fact that it is by far, the best performing phone on the market ATM, with the semi stable 1.8 OC kernel and completely solid 1.5 oc kernel coupled with CM6.1. id also imagine that cyanogen has a little bit of say in it as he really pushed dev of CM6.1 to the g2 because of the hardware.
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So how about a phone like the nexus s. That will be a vanilla android phone and is rumored to be one of the most powerful, but it will be immensely different than the nexus one as ther are using different parts because they are made by a different manufacturer
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So how about a phone like the nexus s. That will be a vanilla android phone and is rumored to be one of the most powerful, but it will be immensely different than the nexus one as ther are using different parts because they are made by a different manufacturer
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the nexus s is supposedly gonna be the new dev phone, in which case, im sure that equally as much work will be put into hardware unlocking it as was put into the g1/n1/g2, but by more than likely different people familiar with samsung hardware, IE ppl that work on deving kernels and roms for the galaxy s phones.
theres really no way to tell as the nexus s isnt out yet... there isnt even a solid spec list for it.
So the real reason I ask this is I want to know which phones will be the most customizable and what will be updated quickest. a heuristic would be to stick close to stock phones and developer phones?
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So the real reason I ask this is I want to know which phones will be the most customizable and what will be updated quickest. a heuristic would be to stick close to stock phones and developer phones?
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exactly... updated the quickest are going to be the N1... only to be surpassed by the Nexus S when it finally comes out. Due to cyanogens dedicated team of devs, you can be sure that his releases will incorporate the latest updates mere weeks after they are officially released. RIGHT NOW, i rate phones G2 then N1 due to the physical keyboard. once the nexus s hits the market theres no telling what will happen... that order might change, but it might not (if the NS flops)
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exactly... updated the quickest are going to be the N1... only to be surpassed by the Nexus S when it finally comes out. Due to cyanogens dedicated team of devs, you can be sure that his releases will incorporate the latest updates mere weeks after they are officially released. RIGHT NOW, i rate phones G2 then N1 due to the physical keyboard. once the nexus s hits the market theres no telling what will happen... that order might change, but it might not (if the NS flops)
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Cool. Thanks
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exactly... updated the quickest are going to be the N1... only to be surpassed by the Nexus S when it finally comes out. Due to cyanogens dedicated team of devs, you can be sure that his releases will incorporate the latest updates mere weeks after they are officially released. RIGHT NOW, i rate phones G2 then N1 due to the physical keyboard. once the nexus s hits the market theres no telling what will happen... that order might change, but it might not (if the NS flops)
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The Nexus S only has its name to go on. Being a Samsung, makes me think it will not do that well. I will give Samsung credit for making great LCDs and the Hummingbird processor isnt bad either but the housing and Samsung software will not help things. It wont do as well as the HTC Nexus, imo. But rumors of a dual core processor included in this unit might give it an edge it needs. Why Google went with Samsung is beyond my understanding, still...
Another thing... I dont think the G2 was unlocked quickly at all. it took alot of time and effort. the only phones that remain to be unlocked are motorolas. they seem to just have things locked up more tightly than even the dreaded HTC NAND lock...
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The Nexus S only has its name to go on. Being a Samsung, makes me think it will not do that well. I will give Samsung credit for making great LCDs and the Hummingbird processor isnt bad either but the housing and Samsung software will not help things. It wont do as well as the HTC Nexus, imo. But rumors of a dual core processor included in this unit might give it an edge it needs. Why Google went with Samsung is beyond my understanding, still...
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i agree about how much of a completely WRONG decision it was to go with samsung for the next nexus... doesnt matter to me how fast or nice or current the phone is, i WILL NOT be purchasing one, mainly due to the shoddy build quality of the phones. i handle alot of samsung phones on a daily basis and the plastic housing is total garbage... gotta correct you though, the nexus s will be a vanilla gingy handset, so no crappy, bogged down, bloated to **** samsung software.
id rather flush my monies down the toilet than give it to samsung for an android phone(or just keep it in my pocket).
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The Nexus S only has its name to go on. Being a Samsung, makes me think it will not do that well. I will give Samsung credit for making great LCDs and the Hummingbird processor isnt bad either but the housing and Samsung software will not help things. It wont do as well as the HTC Nexus, imo. But rumors of a dual core processor included in this unit might give it an edge it needs. Why Google went with Samsung is beyond my understanding, still...
Another thing... I dont think the G2 was unlocked quickly at all. it took alot of time and effort. the only phones that remain to be unlocked are motorolas. they seem to just have things locked up more tightly than even the dreaded HTC NAND lock...
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When I used the term unlocked, I mean hardware unlocked with the Radio-S OFF. According to the article on android central, this goes beyond just flashing ROMs. I am not aware of any of the non htc android phones that have been unlocked as far these htc ones.
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+1
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What exactly do you mean by fully unlocked? Vibrant is fully unlocked as well, AFAIK. Also, Desire HD, Desire Z & MT4G have the same protection as the G2. I'm sure they'll also be fully unlocked, just a matter of time, now that G2 is "fully unlocked".
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As far as I'm aware the Vibrant doesn't have radio S-OFF, which the G2/DZ do.
The degree of breaking in is directly related to the degree of effort that THEY put in to LOCKING YOU OUT.
DREAM and GN1 came in a configuration INTENTIONALLY trivial to work with (at least in the case of ADP1), and wasn't all that difficult to clone ADP1 to the locked out units sold by tmobile.
As a result, there wasn't much NEED to work on them in order to break in further. They were good enough, and good enough was... good enough.
With Vision though, the problem is that you couldn't do ANYTHING without significantly interfering with it, including CARRIER UNLOCK, which wouldn't just FAIL, but actually BREAK the thing.
And so THESE two things were focused on.... and once one was defeated (write protect disabled)... well I'm not going to say that it was EASY from there, but one thing naturally led to the next and all the pieces fell into place.... here you go, OWNED!
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from a purely superficial vantage point, I can see that
g1,g2, nexus 1 all have:
Close to stock ROM
All are made by HTC
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Dream and GN1 are far more similar to each other than either is to Vision. The big difference is the use of NAND vs eMMC for storage. eMMC is a much more sophisticated storage system that has kind of has a mind of its own... so not only do you have to hack the phone, you have to hack the storage as well.
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You mean GSM? Because NONE of these phones have any particular ties to any particular service provider.. In fact, GN1 was NEVER EVEN SOLD BY TMOBILE AT ALL!!!
Not that this is in ANY way even REMOTELY relevant.
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Nope.
Also, Desire HD, Desire Z & MT4G have the same protection as the G2. I'm sure they'll also be fully unlocked, just a matter of time, now that G2 is "fully unlocked".
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Virtually identical, and no, it is NOT a matter of time, they ARE, and WERE the moment the VISION was.
I doubt it has anything to do with tmobile as dhkr123 said, they probably just build the most recent batch of phones (desire hd/z g2 etc) with the same security measures so once one was freed, they all were! I don't think they were made this easy to root on purpose, just happened that way! I'm sure htc doesn't mind so much, means more sales in the long run, and perhaps a few extra bricked phones they have to replace... A bit off topic, but MS's kinect got "hacked" recently and they sales jumped when people saw 3d videos etc being made, and then MS had a press release basically saying they were hoping people would plug it into their pc's and develop, it's all on engadget somewhere
The nexus 1 & nexus s are unlocked. You just have to use adb with unlock command. Thats why the n1 was unlocked so fast. I dont get why you guys bash Samsung phones so much. They have the best hardware and there build quality is 100x better then htc. Thats why Google went with Samsung. I have never read a thread in any of the galaxy s forums about poor build quality. HTC cant even get a screen to stick in place let alone build a phone thats competitive. They finally have a competitive cpu (if its overclocked to 1.9 ghz) and everyone else is releasing duel core cpus. You wont see a HTC with a duel core snapdragon till late 2011 and it still wont benchmark higher then Samsung orion duel core cpu with quad core gpu that will be released q4 2010 or q1 2011. The only bad thing about Samsung is there software but the nexus s will be stock android so its a win win.
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The nexus 1 & nexus s are unlocked. You just have to use adb with unlock command. Thats why the n1 was unlocked so fast. I dont get why you guys bash Samsung phones so much. They have the best hardware and there build quality is 100x better then htc. Thats why Google went with Samsung. I have never read a thread in any of the galaxy s forums about poor build quality. HTC cant even get a screen to stick in place let alone build a phone thats competitive. They finally have a competitive cpu (if its overclocked to 1.9 ghz) and everyone else is releasing duel core cpus. You wont see a HTC with a duel core snapdragon till late 2011 and it still wont benchmark higher then Samsung orion duel core cpu with quad core gpu that will be released q4 2010 or q1 2011. The only bad thing about Samsung is there software but the nexus s will be stock android so its a win win.
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neither the g1, nexus 1, nor will the nexus s be radio s-off.
not even the android development phones have unlocked radios. radio s-off != hboot s-off != subsidy unlock.
fyi, the 800mhz snapdragon outperforms the 1ghz hummingbird in samsungs in all but direct gpu performance, and superlcd vastly outperforms amoled in terms of color fidelity and pixel density.
Anyone else think that the Nexus S is kind of a disappointment?
There's nothing revolutionary or really exciting about it. It's specs sound like it's just another Galaxy S device. No dual core, no HSDPA+, nada.
Now, to be clear, I'm talking just about the device itself. Not Gingerbread. Gingerbread looks hot. Curious to hear what you folks think about the device.
No sd card slot but has a 16 gig storage. I guessing Google corrected the available memory issue with 2. 3
I think it to early to draw up any conclusions with what we have on hand.
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It's a Samsung which for me, after my experience with the Vibrant, equals 'never again'.
If anything I do hope that the Nexus S, by extension, will provide some much needed relief to those who are sticking it out with their Vibrants, etc.
Just my take, I'm not a phone buff or geek, I just want my device to work properly, which is why I switched to the G2.
I've had a vibrant. Felt too cheap to me. Sad part it wasn't cheap. Paid 500 for it. The lack of support and gps issue is what turned me away. It was a nice phone. Just not my style. As I'm sure just by looking at the nexsus s, they will have the same issues. But I could be wrong. Maybe google will put a flame under samsungs butt and make them correct their errors in a fast manner.
[G2/HTC Vision]
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It's a Samsung
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That simple little statement is what made me turn my head. I love Google, and I think them working to make a phone with a company means it will be a good phone. I believe Samsung will get more respect from this phone, but Samsung's plastic has always stood out and this phone looks like it has just as much as any other Samsung phone. It has decent specs, nothing groundbreaking by any means, but just as nice as any other smart phone out now.
Remind me, wasn't the N1 the first phone to have a 1GHz processor? At least one of the first? I figured Google's second phone would be VERY top of the line instead of average.
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Remind me, wasn't the N1 the first phone to have a 1GHz processor? At least one of the first? I figured Google's second phone would be VERY top of the line instead of average.
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Yeeeep. It was the very first. Big reason I dumped my Droid for the Nexus One way back when. That and I didn't like Verizon's service.
That's part of the reason I was so disappointed with the specs on the Nexus S. Nothing revolutionary again. Just another Galaxy S.
If I were holding out for the Nexus S, then yes, I would be disappointed. But I wasn't since I'm still in love with my G2. Can't believe Google would let this thing go to T-Mobile USA with those specs. Not dual core, no HSPA+, less ram than the MyTouch, less screen than the HD7, no hdmi out, not even a kickstand? Can a brother get a kickstand? And this is supposed to be the flagship Android phone? Ha, it won't even be the best phone at T-Mobile.
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If I were holding out for the Nexus S, then yes, I would be disappointed. But I wasn't since I'm still in love with my G2. Can't believe Google would let this thing go to T-Mobile USA with those specs. Not dual core, no HSPA+, less ram than the MyTouch, less screen than the HD7, no hdmi out, not even a kickstand? Can a brother get a kickstand? And this is supposed to be the flagship Android phone? Ha, it won't even be the best phone at T-Mobile.
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*golf clap*
+1
I have already heard it reviewed as Nexus 1.5, not 2.0 !
Umm, isn't this is a bit off-topic ?
*runs and hides*
unremarked said:
Nothing revolutionary again. Just another Galaxy S.
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exactly wut i was thinking. oh and wuts your avatar? isnt that the symbol from reboot?
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oh and wuts your avatar? isnt that the symbol from reboot?
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Indeed. Great show. Kids these days don't know what they're missing.
long story short, its a disappointment.
TBH, the only thing I am actually DISAPOINTED with is the lack of an Orion processor... rumor had it that it was delayed because of that issue! What is gonna happen is in 2 months all the tegra 2 devices are gonna start showing up and your "Flagship" device is already sub-par/obsolete
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TBH, the only thing I am actually DISAPOINTED with is the lack of an Orion processor... rumor had it that it was delayed because of that issue! What is gonna happen is in 2 months all the tegra 2 devices are gonna start showing up and your "Flagship" device is already sub-par/obsolete
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just in time for a Nexus 2 ...
new **** happens. there's money to be made beforehand.
Sooo disappointed
First of all, I love my N1 and sorry for the long post but i have to vent.
I bought a Nexus One in February when it came for T-mobile only and then gave it away to my brother in law who had T-Mobile when the AT&T N1 came out and bought that. My contract with AT&T has been up for a couple of months now and i was really hoping for a device (from google) that would be better than the N1 (for future proofing for at least 6 months).
Well this device is better than the N1 but not enough to ditch the N1 and get this. Here are the reasons:
Biggest disappointment: Only a 5 MP camera still? Come on Google? The EVO has an 8MP camera and has been out for months. I know phone cameras really aren't meant to replace traditional digital cameras but my sisters EVO takes pictures that are great (in the correct light) and if i had that i wouldn't even buy a new digital camera.
Second biggest disappointment: Not CDMA. I want to switch to sprint or verizon. If Google/ Samsung comes out with a CDMA version i might overlook the other disappointments and ditch the N1.
Now other reasons why Nexus S is not really that much better than the N1 to warrant another $529.
Processor: I don't know too much about the speed difference in the processors but i'm assuming they will roughly perform the same. However, i think within next couple of months new Android / Non-Android phones will come out with better processors and this will be outdated. I must add though, i haven't really seen any lag on the 1 ghz.
Video: I'm guessing the Nexus S will record 720p video, but so does my N1 (with cyanogen) and so does the EVO and many many other devices. 1080 would have been the next step and another reason i might have upgraded. Not on my top priority list though.
I don't really care that much about that NFC thing. I am curious to try it, but not enough to shell out $529 (i don't want contracts). Once more vendors support this it will become more important but not at this point.
Nexus S will probably be better for 3D gaming as the GPU on N1 supposedly sucks. I'm assuming the gingerbread advantage for 3d gaming will also be applicable to N1 but Nexus S will probably have a better GPU. I don't care about this too much because i don't play much 3d games on phones anyway but other people might weigh this more.
Yes to me its a Flopfor the the simple fact its just a google version of Galaxy S. BUT then again, after my experiance with my behold II, i will NEVER buy a samsung phone again, thats just me though... Besides my G2 is great been a while since i had a phone i was happy with.
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First of all, I love my N1 and sorry for the long post but i have to vent.
I bought a Nexus One in February when it came for T-mobile only and then gave it away to my brother in law who had T-Mobile when the AT&T N1 came out and bought that. My contract with AT&T has been up for a couple of months now and i was really hoping for a device (from google) that would be better than the N1 (for future proofing for at least 6 months).
Well this device is better than the N1 but not enough to ditch the N1 and get this. Here are the reasons:
Biggest disappointment: Only a 5 MP camera still? Come on Google? The EVO has an 8MP camera and has been out for months. I know phone cameras really aren't meant to replace traditional digital cameras but my sisters EVO takes pictures that are great (in the correct light) and if i had that i wouldn't even buy a new digital camera.
Second biggest disappointment: Not CDMA. I want to switch to sprint or verizon. If Google/ Samsung comes out with a CDMA version i might overlook the other disappointments and ditch the N1.
Now other reasons why Nexus S is not really that much better than the N1 to warrant another $529.
Processor: I don't know too much about the speed difference in the processors but i'm assuming they will roughly perform the same. However, i think within next couple of months new Android / Non-Android phones will come out with better processors and this will be outdated. I must add though, i haven't really seen any lag on the 1 ghz.
Video: I'm guessing the Nexus S will record 720p video, but so does my N1 (with cyanogen) and so does the EVO and many many other devices. 1080 would have been the next step and another reason i might have upgraded. Not on my top priority list though.
I don't really care that much about that NFC thing. I am curious to try it, but not enough to shell out $529 (i don't want contracts). Once more vendors support this it will become more important but not at this point.
Nexus S will probably be better for 3D gaming as the GPU on N1 supposedly sucks. I'm assuming the gingerbread advantage for 3d gaming will also be applicable to N1 but Nexus S will probably have a better GPU. I don't care about this too much because i don't play much 3d games on phones anyway but other people might weigh this more.
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Agreed. I'll be sticking with my overclocked G2 until we see 1.5ghz Dual Core chips with all of the bells and whistles these companies are cooking up.
CDMA blows
I love my nexus one and yes I was tempted by the nexus s but as we all know internally its just another random device out there. My question is when dual cores come out what are you going to do with your Nexus One?
My plan is to keep my Nexus One at home in the box as my back up phone. Ever so often take it out boot it up and flash it to the lastest version of Android it can handle.
Well I think the n1 is far from its end of life. The only disadvantage it will have over the dual cores is ability to run advanced games. Unless google makes major ui changes like how running live wallpapers made the g1 look more like a last gen device, then we are good
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I don't understand, how much money do people spend on phones in this forum?
I'm hoping to use my Nexus for at least 2 more years. There is absolutely nothing out or coming out soon that seems like a large enough jump for me to justify buying another phone.
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I don't understand, how much money do people spend on phones in this forum?
I'm hoping to use my Nexus for at least 2 more years. There is absolutely nothing out or coming out soon that seems like a large enough jump for me to justify buying another phone.
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same here...
i'm actually just waiting on purolator to come to my door to give me my nexus one...
if i want to play games, i'll use my xbox... haha.
or i'll get a tablet.
i'm interested in seeing what motorola is going to show us... definitely putting off on buying a tablet until then.
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Well I think the n1 is far from its end of life. The only disadvantage it will have over the dual cores is ability to run advanced games. Unless google makes major ui changes like how running live wallpapers made the g1 look more like a last gen device, then we are good
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That just might be what Honeycomb is. Speculation but we all pretty much know that it will bring a huge change to how the UI works.
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I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.
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I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.
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Same. Unless something awesome comes out on a really good contract. I do like the look of that LG Star/2X, and I imagine 'better' manufacturers will come out with their similar spec'd offerings shortly, which is why I have no real interest in the Nexus S.
At that point, the N1 will be sold for whatever I can get for it
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I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.
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See I can afford to replace my phone with the latest and greatest the thing is there isn't anything worth buying. I play games on my computer, not my phone so the Nexus S doesn't benefit me in any way.
I'll dump my N1 when something ground breaking comes out (dual core might be it but would need support for it) or when my N1 feels slow like my sons G1 does compared to my N1.
I'll upgrade to a Nexus S once they're free (or $50) on contract, and a decent car dock is shipping. The N1 car dock leaves a lot to be desired, but I wouldn't be without it.
I bought my wife a NS to replace her broken G1, and frankly I'm amazed at how much I like it over the N1. It's ridiculously fast and the 4" screen is a lot better for my middle-aged eyes. My N1 gets so laggy at times I just want to smash it, and I've never had that happen with the NS.
It baffles me why they can't release accessories like car and desk docks when these phones come out, instead of waiting 3-6 months.
I might give some thought to running an AOSP ROM on a Galaxy S, but with the G1 and N1 I've really preferred the bugs in Google's official releases over the bugs in the other ROMs I've tried. Right now my N1 has FRG83D+root and I'm looking forward to the official 2.3 update.
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I bought my wife a NS to replace her broken G1, and frankly I'm amazed at how much I like it over the N1. It's ridiculously fast and the 4" screen is a lot better for my middle-aged eyes. My N1 gets so laggy at times I just want to smash it, and I've never had that happen with the NS.
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The irony is, that NS CPU performance-wise is about equal to N1. Hence it must be the difference between 2.2 and 2.3. Or you have some funny background tasks on your N1.
I dont plan on upgrading until something that's clearly a generation leap comes out. Im used to upgrading every year but haven't found anything worth upgrading to yet
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I dont plan on upgrading until something that's clearly a generation leap comes out. Im used to upgrading every year but haven't found anything worth upgrading to yet
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I had the same problem with my N95
I dont upgrade every time something new comes out my upgrade was there for the g1 when it came out Oct two years ago. My contract went up in Oct of this year currently out of contract. I bought my N1 off of someone from Clist for 320 back in May. I figured since I have the upgrade why not use it and put my N1 in a safe place where it wont get hurt
In the current scenario , there's absolutely no reason to justify an upgrade . Gingerbread based ROMs will appear soon & I am absolutely clear in my mind that even honeycomb can be modified to run smoothly on our N1's albeit some overclocking might be necessary with higher versions of android . But thats not the case with gingerbread & Nexus S is a complete failure from my point of view as a Google Developer / Flagship device.
I am not willing to upgrade for atleast one more year .
Can I have one fact about NS CPU being faster than N1's?
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I am eyeing the Motorola Olympus because of build quality and tegra dual core. But I would have gladly bought the Nexus S if it had two mics and AT&T 3g bands. I can't figure out why these GSM phones aren't all pentaband these days. The antenna chips are usually capable but they leave out key parts like certain cheap amplifiers that keep the capability off. It's really annoying.
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The irony is, that NS CPU performance-wise is about equal to N1. Hence it must be the difference between 2.2 and 2.3. Or you have some funny background tasks on your N1.
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the 1ghz hummingbird is similar to the 1ghz snapdragon in the n1, however the GPU is many times faster... for anything that involves graphics, the GPU will help out immensely.
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In the current scenario , there's absolutely no reason to justify an upgrade . Gingerbread based ROMs will appear soon & I am absolutely clear in my mind that even honeycomb can be modified to run smoothly on our N1's albeit some overclocking might be necessary with higher versions of android.
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N1 performance-wise is still on the very top of the smartphones. Yes, the touch screen digitizer is not perfect and the GPU is not the quickest in the world, but for the OS itself it is pretty much a non issue.
If N1 is not powerful enough to run the honeycomb, then very little of todays phones are (in fact none). Instantly making all of them obsolete.
Of course it is entirely another thing if goog will want to invest into N1 development.
No intentions of upgrading until maybe this time next year. Right now it meets everyone of my needs. Still having fun with it. The flaws most folks point out generally either don't bother me or I don't notice them on a day to day use. The only phone I was torn on getting was a G2 even that was more because I had a G1 and loved that phone. I rode that one into the ground. 4-5 warranty trade outs. Still have it rooted running CM as a protable game system for my 3 year old son.
Every phone that has come out so far has been slightly better. When it is time to retire the N1 it will be for something 1-2 generations better than what's available now.
I've always said my nexus one is worthy of a permanent collection device since It's nicer than most phones. Besides I don't have any backup emergency device so I'm gonna keep it in case of emergency backup device.
Normally I sell my device after 6 months for 50% of what I paid and use that cash for my next device.
http://community.sprint.com/baw/com...android-40-ice-cream-sandwich-for-htc-devices
Sprint will begin to rollout Google's latest version of Android, Ice Cream Sandwich, to our customers in early 2012. Ice Cream Sandwich will be available via an over-the-air update to a variety of devices including HTC EVO 3D, HTC EVO Design 4G and other key products in our line-up. Stay tuned for more details and exact timing.
On their facebook posting they also added this key bit of information:
Information about Ice Cream Sandwich for the original HTC EVO 4G will be communicated at a later date. So take that for what it is, but it looks like the EVO is in for possibly one last update.
Sucks the EVO 4G isn't on that list but then again its only a matter of time before a dev has a rom out for it
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I bet it will eventually get it. It was there star phone last year.
I have serious doubts the OG will get it but I'd be very happy to see it. They didn't even bother to update sense when they gave us gingerbread.
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What I don't understand is how can the design 4G run sense 3.0 smoothly, if I Overclock to 1.2ghz, I still can't get that smoothness on sense 3.0
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What I don't understand is how can the design 4G run sense 3.0 smoothly, if I Overclock to 1.2ghz, I still can't get that smoothness on sense 3.0
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Newer processor and gpu probably more ram as well
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I was fairly certain that the EVO 4G was not getting an official OTA of ICS. This makes me only more certain
Thank god for XDA
We will get it. If not officially, then unofficially. Who runs official rom's anyway?
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We will get it. If not officially, then unofficially. Who runs official rom's anyway?
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Hardly anyone here, but it provides a good base to make a stable and fully functional custom rom off of.
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I'm sure they have tested it out. The Evo doesnt have a gpu, and doesnt have enough ram to run ics smoothly. I'm sure there will be roms available for it, but no official updates.
Per http://androidandme.com/2011/11/new...e-of-devices-to-get-android-4-0-in-early-2012
A quick review of the list shows these are all newer devices released in 2011 with either a Snapdragon S2 or Snapdragon S3 processor. Google already said that aging devices like the Nexus One with a Snapdragon S1 processor were “too old” to be upgraded, so don’t get your hopes up if you have the original HTC EVO 4G that features similar specs.
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This is going to fragment the hell out of the Android market. Well, it will fragment it even further is what I mean by that.
*Sigh* The EVO is the most popular Android phone for Sprint and it's going to stuck in 2011 forever. Some people (Not me) may have purchased their EVO within the past 6 months and wouldn't be eligible for an upgrade until Android 5/6 is out. That's like a PR nightmare. Most people don't understand the "GeeBee's" or GHz concepts that we are familiar with, but what they will do is get bored after awhile of the same damn homescreen and want something with more piazza. People like new stuff! Especially when they don't have to pay for it. Even the technologically retarded see an update to (2.2/2.3) on their EVO and go, "Well this is cool!"
I don't really blame HTC, (Although I do wish the EVO had more internal storage) I blame Google. ICS is GPU intensive, which is nice and flashy, but that's a problem for older phones that can't process those fancy graphics. That's also going to be a drag for battery life, and I personally would rather have less swag and more function. They should of made a "light" version of ICS, or an option toggle-able on beefer handsets or "required" for older that lessens the graphics and RAM to both save battery life on high end phones and allows older handsets to upgrade to the new OS and still feel valid in this ever changing world of Moore's.
A light version would be nice. It's too bad the evo doesn't have better internals. If ics was to somehow get ported, the fancy graphics will lag like crazy.
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I'm sure they have tested it out. The Evo doesnt have a gpu, and doesnt have enough ram to run ics smoothly. I'm sure there will be roms available for it, but no official updates.
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The EVO, just like the Nexus One has an Adreno 200 GPU. It's pretty under powered compared to newer phones of course.
I have no doubt we'll see a few roms out for both the EVO and Nexus One, I'm sure they'll be broken at first but over time they'll become great.
We will get ICS ports no matter what. I'm not expecting an official OTA, but I would like to see some updated drivers and the newest kernel source (here the newest kernel has trickle charging!) from HTC
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The EVO, just like the Nexus One has an Adreno 200 GPU. It's pretty under powered compared to newer phones of course.
I have no doubt we'll see a few roms out for both the EVO and Nexus One, I'm sure they'll be broken at first but over time they'll become great.
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To be honest, all I'm interested in are the new Apps. I haven't used 4.0 on anything other than the SDK, but the new People (Contacts) App, the new Dialer, Gallery, Calendar and a few other miscs could be ported. The only problem is all the new API's wouldn't work. I honestly am too much of a LauncherPro lover to switch to the ICS launcher. (Give me a scrollable dock and I'll jump ship) And some apps like the Multitasking, keyboard and the new dictionary, may be baked too deeply into the OS to salvage as a a simple apk or install.
I'm sure the guys here at XDA will cook up something, I've already taken a few turns at butchering the Galaxy Nexus ROM that dropped a few days ago, but I'm sure there's a few more dedicated people really toying away getting stuff working on their "obsolete" device.
I just need to make it till August 2012, just gotta keep on telling myself that. Hello quad-core 2.0GHz EVO3! (That's a guess by the way.) Until then, CES is in two months, can't wait to go!
Yeah, I really want to wait for till next June at least too, though it'll be hard......but if we got a mostly stable version of ICS for our EVO's, it'd definitely be easier to wait.
The SGSII has been out for over 6 months now, and while it's still impressive, I feel like I'd be settling if I grabbed one or a phone like it.
Give me a 4.5-4.7 720p screen with no pentile, 1.5 or 2 gigs of ram and Cortex A-15 quad-core phone!
We'll have to wait till at least next June for something of the sort.
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Yeah, I really want to wait for till next June at least too, though it'll be hard......but if we got a mostly stable version of ICS for our EVO's, it'd definitely be easier to wait.
The SGSII has been out for over 6 months now, and while it's still impressive, I feel like I'd be settling if I grabbed one or a phone like it.
Give me a 4.5-4.7 720p screen with no pentile, 1.5 or 2 gigs of ram and Cortex A-15 quad-core phone!
We'll have to wait till at least next June for something of the sort.
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Yup, that's exactly what I'm looking forward to, you took the specs right out of my mouth. And to be honest, the community here for the original EVO is still superb 15 months after release.
The only things my phone can't do is play high-graphics games and NFC. The camera quality ticks me off sometimes and battery life can be a bummer, especially with an LCD screen. But the EVO is a solid device, I still get a few "What phone is that?" from people who are interested in the 4.3" display and my custom interface, most expect Sense.
Plus, kickstand. I mean come on guys... Kickstand.
We'll be booting* 4.0 within the next 3 months, I'm sure. Open source me some code Google. You already messed up with the minimum requirements, let us take it from here.
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Yeah, I really want to wait for till next June at least too, though it'll be hard......but if we got a mostly stable version of ICS for our EVO's, it'd definitely be easier to wait.
The SGSII has been out for over 6 months now, and while it's still impressive, I feel like I'd be settling if I grabbed one or a phone like it.
Give me a 4.5-4.7 720p screen with no pentile, 1.5 or 2 gigs of ram and Cortex A-15 quad-core phone!
We'll have to wait till at least next June for something of the sort.
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The sgsii not coming here for 6 months kind of makes it old already lol means Sammy has been updating it for half yr plus I mean that only leaves them with a yr required to update per the agreement they came to with Google. And doesn't the prime have a 200 gpu or some the same one as the nexus s just double the clock speed?
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I really wanted to get the Galaxy Nexus at first, but it has a pentile display, which isn't a total deal breaker, but LG has the Optimus LTE coming out soon to Europe with the same resolution and no pentile, so we should definitely see some phones with truly non-hampered HD screens soon enough.
The GPU in it is also the same as the one in the first iPad and first Galaxy S line of phones.......it's literally a GPU that's been around for years, which is very disappointing.
I know it'll still be admirable phone, and have great performance overall, but it's not the dream gadget everyone was hoping it would be.
Let me first say that we all know that the Desire Z is an amazing phone and still is. It's got a great camera, speed, screen, features, keyboard, sound, unlocked bootloader, etc. However at the current moment there isn't really a great successor to it in my opinion. And by successor I don't mean a true successor of course. Let's take a look at some QWERTY phones on the market:
MyTouch 4G Slide
http://www.gsmarena.com/t_mobile_mytouch_4g_slide-4018.php
It's basically a G2 with slightly better specs and a better camera. Not much of an upgrade.
Droid 3
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_droid_3-4036.php
Last time I heard it had a locked bootloader so it has very limited software support. Definitely not friendly in that department. Specs are better than the 4G Slide.
Captivate Glide
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i927_captivate_glide-4071.php
I had high hopes for this one. It has a lot of improvements such as a AMOLED screen, slightly bigger screen, and similar specs to the Galaxy S2. However, it is somewhat of a downgraded Galaxy S2 considering that it came out just recently as it lacks LTE support and it does not have a higher resolution than the G2. However Samsung is friendly to the open source community. Oh also no LED notification (Ahh!).
So if I had to pick now it would be the Captivate Glide but I am not going to. I am hoping that HTC will make the G3 and put all their top tier specs onto the QWERTY phone like they did with the G2, including a bigger and higher resolution screen, LTE support, quad core CPU, etc.
Long live the G2/Desire Z!
Oh and yes the Droid 4 is coming out. From the looks of it, it will be a Droid RAZR but in QWERTY.
Droid 4 sure looks interesting but will it make it to Europe ah probably will, under the name Milestone. I like the way the 4 basic android buttons are still present, hope ICS wont kill them in the future phones.
Not going to change my phone for a while tough DZ works great, had it for about a year now. And i suppose it depends also if these phones will get MIUI rom . But i'm interested to see HTC make G3, not just yet tough, next summer maybe. within a year i hope.
i was caught by this statement "However Samsung is friendly to the open source community. Oh also no LED notification (Ahh!)."
is HTC not dev friendly? me? yeah. sucks. they left Desire series. that includes our Z.
anyway going back to the topic. i prefer the Glide.
No offense but the g2's camera sucks. Video recording is like 20fps in areas slightly less than ideal lighting conditions and stills require a steady hand and ideal lighting.
The Captivate Glide sounded interesting at first. But the more I read, the more I'm disappointed.
http://techcrunch.com/2011/11/20/review-samsung-captivate-glide-att/
http://reviews.cnet.com/smartphones/samsung-captivate-glide-at/4505-6452_7-35033579.html?tag=mncol;rvwBody#reviewPage1
Sounds like crappy exterior build quality, and bad keyboard. And as the OP mentioned, no LTE. Really not much of an upgrade from the G2/DZ, IMO.
And the 1 GHz CPU on the Captivate Glide seems obsolete out of the box, as the high end smartphones are going to 1.2 GHz and higher nowadays.
Like everyone here mention Droid 4 is awesome I dont like sammy software as i myself had epic 4g it was buggy on input that physical keyboard wasnt even optimize for the software like on full touch screen galaxy line. As im more in love with stock aka pure google or vanilla phones. I would wait for htc to release the G3 before deciding to get another plus all the apps i want i can get. Their no point upgrading if android market is supporting our phones. I love droid when it was the first one because of vanilla experience unless moto change their way i wont get the droid 4. Droid 3 is awesome but i dislike both Motoblur and Sense ui referring to htc phone on that. I rather have touchwiz before both. But it your pick on what phone your getting.
i wouldn't go as far as to say the DZ has a great screen. it actually kinda sucks. so I think the next best thing will be ANY phone with a keyboard, better screen, better camera, will probably be HTC (or moto now that google is running things there) and at the very least just as fast (but faster probably and probably dual core). so..... the MT4GS? lol
Look like g1 got android 4.0 os lol wow not even the first iphone got 4.0 os apple is for losers .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19649295
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4A82ft5pw&feature=player_embedded#!
Dell Hancock. Nuffsaid.
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i wouldn't go as far as to say the DZ has a great screen. it actually kinda sucks. so I think the next best thing will be ANY phone with a keyboard, better screen, better camera, will probably be HTC (or moto now that google is running things there) and at the very least just as fast (but faster probably and probably dual core). so..... the MT4GS? lol
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It's better than the Super AMOLED-Pentile window screens they put on the Galaxy S phones.
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Dell Hancock. Nuffsaid.
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That one seems like vapourware. Wasn't it rumored like 1 year ago?
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Look like g1 got android 4.0 os lol wow not even the first iphone got 4.0 os apple is for losers .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=19649295
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ym4A82ft5pw&feature=player_embedded#!
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did you even watch the video?
ICS runs like **** in it
iOS 4 and 5 would like run like **** on the iPhone 1 Gen
You honestly want to talk about android fragmentation?
Sure looks like we are in for a long wait until the next Scandinavian QWERTY Android is here. My DZ is still great though.
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Sure looks like we are in for a long wait until the next Scandinavian QWERTY Android is here. My DZ is still great though.
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Yeah DZ rocks as long. Before i buy anything i probably wait for it to get MIUI. I don't like sense, not sure about motoblur/touchwiz, never used them. So i might even enjoy them.
Anyway i get the hardware i like and root it to get the firmware the way i like. I'd like to see G3 popping up in 9 months.
I honestly dont think the Htc g3 will appears for a while until t-mobile feel like making g2 users jump the wagon. Because mytouch slide 4g was the same screen size i didnt like that it had sense ui to be honest/.
Specs the mytouch 4g slide is better but i dont like sense ui, to me that not better in my opinion,if im going to root a phone i dont want to root it for Stock ui .
i want to have stock already just overclock it and use root explorer to delete the apps i dont like.
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Yeah DZ rocks as long. Before i buy anything i probably wait for it to get MIUI. I don't like sense, not sure about motoblur/touchwiz, never used them. So i might even enjoy them.
Anyway i get the hardware i like and root it to get the firmware the way i like. I'd like to see G3 popping up in 9 months.
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Dude this is in alpha it show that iphone that say android cant run higher then 1.6 to 2.1 is wrong?
Im just saying i had g1 when it was 1.0 and update 1.1 in march 2009, update 1.5 in late may to june 2009. update/upgrade 1.6 os in early october 2009.
Google g1 was best phone that run all version of all time.
I dont think the nexus one will past beyond Ice cream sandwich and if it do android 4.5 os or 5.0 jelly bean will be it last update.
Same with phone from late 2010 Either Ice cream sandwich or Jelly bean will be it last updates also.
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did you even watch the video?
ICS runs like **** in it
iOS 4 and 5 would like run like **** on the iPhone 1 Gen
You honestly want to talk about android fragmentation?
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If you don't like Sense, why buy HTC?
leobg said:
That one seems like vapourware. Wasn't it rumored like 1 year ago?
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the roadmap was leaked a year ago. the hancock was slated for Q4 2011, but no news of it
http://www.infosyncworld.com/review...d-hancock-bet-on-android-ice-cream/11801.html
p.s vaporware was duke nukem forever. You need several years of broken promises to be considered vaporware. in duke's case, something like a decade.
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If you don't like Sense, why buy HTC?
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because you can root the phone and put in CM/MIUI/insertROMhere? Most people simply like the build and spec that HTC offers.
Sorry for this gravedig, but are there any new possible successors? I don't think so right?
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Sorry for this gravedig, but are there any new possible successors? I don't think so right?
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I'm wondering the same thing, as one of my kids might be in the market for a new phone, and they like h/w keyboards.
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