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More reason to hold off on Nexus S purchase?

Promise of something better from Samsung in Feb?
Could it be the Galaxy S2?
Thoughts?

There will always be something bigger and better on the horizon in the world of cell phones. But no expandable memory and 3g on tmobile only? I'll be waiting for something else.

I talk about why I feel Google/Sammy partnership was a last minute idea, and that they both tried to get dual-core into the Nexus S but couldn't do it in time to launch with Gingerbread. In other words, the Nexus S was a rushed device, and maybe we should reconsider before buying them and allowing them to "get away," so to speak, with providing us a Nexus branded phone that doesn't live up to what the Nexus name entails.
The Nexus S Story Doesn't Add Up

I am with you completely. The lack of expandable memory reminds me of the iphone, and the xmas release timing would fit into your theory of a rushed device. To me a phone meant to follow nexus one should blow everyone's socks off and this (while I'm sure it is a nice phone) isn't even close. In fact I would go so far to say that other than gingerbread, it seems a slight improvement at best.

also keep in mind that the Galaxy 2, no matter how good the specs, is going to be running touchwiz and not stock android.
if you want a stock android device, the nexus s is the way to go right now, or the G2 if you want a keyboard.

dude.. im waiting for the EVO 5 ...**** gonna fly... lol if u think like that stay away from technology

neok44 said:
also keep in mind that the Galaxy 2, no matter how good the specs, is going to be running touchwiz and not stock android.
if you want a stock android device, the nexus s is the way to go right now, or the G2 if you want a keyboard.
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Exactly. I'm getting the Nexus S because it's a Google phone. Samsung makes very good hardware, but they are lousy progammers. What good is great hardware when it's let down by crappy drivers? Google, on the other hand, specialize in software, and they're very good at it.
Samsung hardware and Google software, that should be an awesome combination.

onthecouchagain said:
I talk about why I feel Google/Sammy partnership was a last minute idea, and that they both tried to get dual-core into the Nexus S but couldn't do it in time to launch with Gingerbread. In other words, the Nexus S was a rushed device, and maybe we should reconsider before buying them and allowing them to "get away," so to speak, with providing us a Nexus branded phone that doesn't live up to what the Nexus name entails.
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Nexus S has always been a single-core product. I've read lots of entertaining rumors about multicore, though. The belief that we changed SoCs from Orion to Hummingbird (or were going to change the other way around) at the last moment is fascinating, but completely out of touch with the realities of developing these devices.

swetland said:
The belief that we changed SoCs from Orion to Hummingbird (or were going to change the other way around) at the last moment is fascinating, but completely out of touch with the realities of developing these devices.
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Of course you'd say that, it's all part of the Great Google Nexus Conspiracy
The quad-core Nexus 3 is probably being developed at Area 51 at this very moment! I'm thinking virtual screen and keyboard, holographic, of course.

Nothing is going to hold me back from buying this. By the time dual core comes. They would be talking about quad cores
And I m getting everything I need from the current generation phones. Will upgrade later if they really have something good on the table to offer

My disappointment doesn't come so much from the lack of dual-core, but more from the lack of HSPA+ support. It's baffling (but not really baffling considering I feel Google/Sammy's partnership came mid-year during or after the Galaxy S success, and they both rushed to get the Nexus S out with Gingerbread before Xmas) that they would not include support for 4G when you start to consider the Nexus S into the year 2011 (it's coming in approximately 3 weeks). All carriers are pushing toward "4G" and even some handsets already support it. Yes, it's not prominent now, but this is the future of 2011, and for a Nexus branded phone to not be future-proof makes it difficult to drop $529 dollars on - especially when you factor in the other baffling decisions (lack of SD expansion, 480p HD recording, dropping LED).

Okay let's get this clear...
HSPA+ isn't a big factor. Yet.
Why?
My Vibrant has pulled down 7.2mbps. My G2 pulled down 10mbps.
Big upgrade? Not really.
Vibrant (and Nexus S) are both capped at 7.2 (device)
G2 is capped at 14.4. The G2 however is very unlikely to go over 10 until late next year, if that.
an extra 3mbps doesn't matter much if you're already pulling down 5+. On your... Cell Phone.
However! Most people pull less than 5mbps period. If this is true, HSPA+ doesn't even matter for you.

Nexus S Love

I'm been really annoyed with all the hate being spewed about the Nexus S over the last several days. I've been meaning to post why I think most of the hate is seriously misinformed or not fully thought out, but I came across this post on Android and Me and it sums up almost exactly how I feel.
Credit to jivemaster and Android and Me:
I am first in line for a Nexus S. I’m not sure what people are waiting for. This is Google’s phone for the next 11-12 months like the N1 was. Great support, great features. It uses the top tier hardware available to date. Best screen in the industry, best CPU, best GPU in a phone. Sure it’s no dual-core, but that disappointment is purely a consequence of the stupid rumours that have plagued this device since its conception.
This will be what the Galaxy S should have been. Great hardware fully controlled by Google.
For heavens sake, the SGX540 is a truly epic GPU, and vastly more powerful than the 535 found in the iphone and ipad. Apple’s devices run great games, and the Nexus S trumps both devices with its power. Sure we’ve seen it before in the Galaxy S, but the Galaxy S is a pure Samsung phone, crippled by it’s unoptimised OS, practically no support is given to it, the poor thing is still waiting for froyo in most of America. Because of this, we have not seen the true power of the hummingbird. That is until now. And it will be glorious.
The Nexus S is not last gen. It’s current gen. It just missed the dual-core boat. And people are fixated on it.
This very website said it was hard to believe that the Nexus S could be released with a dual-core, but plenty of other websites/blogs went nuts reporting the release setback was due to a dual-core upgrade. Everyone got set on the rumours and when this was released there was nothing but disappointment.
People are too busy thinking what the Nexus S could have been.
It’s silly really. Dual core is not ready. Dual core is not supported in any android revision to date, honeycomb may change this, but I highly doubt the upcoming tegra phones will sport honeycomb on release, or anytime soon after release. That’s being delusional. Manufacturers have taken so long to release these tegra phones, and these manufacturers are catastrophically slow with updates. I’ll be surprised frankly if they ship with gingerbread.
Good luck getting your updates on these tegra phones in a timely manner.
Tegra is unbelievably powerful, no question, but in the hands of device manufacturers I think performance will vary greatly – device manufacturers tend to throw in great hardware and then cripple it with absolutely shocking OS revisions and software optimisation.
You’re guaranteed a lot of great optimisation with the Nexus S, but not with other products.
You really only have the LG Star and Motorola Olympus to choose from if you want tegra, and they were running froyo when we last saw them. The LG Star just looks horrible as far as build quality is concerned and video demo’s show it lag, and the Olympus is a AT&T phone, so if you hate that network you’re screwed on that front.
Plus remember both with be nowhere as hackable as the Nexus S, which will see huge dev support just as the N1 before it. You’ll be lucky if these tegra phones get any decent root access. Motorola loves the efuse concept. It’s crackable but it will never have the simplicity of the Nexus S.
And lastly, who doesn’t want the phone that developers are developing their stuff on? The Nexus S is THE benchmark for all future android phone applications. You’re guaranteed that apps will run as the developer intended on the Nexus S over any other phone in the Android ecosystem.
Embrace this phone and give it a damn chance. Google deserves that much.

Amen to that ^^^^ . For a moment I thought I was the only one getting a Nexus S.

I agree in spirit. I'm just salty about the lack of any notification LED and dock contact points. I want a device with polish... the N1's docking and notifications are still unrivaled, but they could at least have put those into their device.
I'll still probably get the phone and hope that some nice docks are in the pipeline so I can sell my N1 and the docks.

irishrally said:
I'm been really annoyed with all the hate being spewed about the Nexus S over the last several days. I've been meaning to post why I think most of the hate is seriously misinformed or not fully thought out, but I came across this post on Android and Me and it sums up almost exactly how I feel.
Credit to jivemaster and Android and Me:
I am first in line for a Nexus S. I’m not sure what people are waiting for. This is Google’s phone for the next 11-12 months like the N1 was. Great support, great features. It uses the top tier hardware available to date. Best screen in the industry, best CPU, best GPU in a phone. Sure it’s no dual-core, but that disappointment is purely a consequence of the stupid rumours that have plagued this device since its conception.
This will be what the Galaxy S should have been. Great hardware fully controlled by Google.
For heavens sake, the SGX540 is a truly epic GPU, and vastly more powerful than the 535 found in the iphone and ipad. Apple’s devices run great games, and the Nexus S trumps both devices with its power. Sure we’ve seen it before in the Galaxy S, but the Galaxy S is a pure Samsung phone, crippled by it’s unoptimised OS, practically no support is given to it, the poor thing is still waiting for froyo in most of America. Because of this, we have not seen the true power of the hummingbird. That is until now. And it will be glorious.
The Nexus S is not last gen. It’s current gen. It just missed the dual-core boat. And people are fixated on it.
This very website said it was hard to believe that the Nexus S could be released with a dual-core, but plenty of other websites/blogs went nuts reporting the release setback was due to a dual-core upgrade. Everyone got set on the rumours and when this was released there was nothing but disappointment.
People are too busy thinking what the Nexus S could have been.
It’s silly really. Dual core is not ready. Dual core is not supported in any android revision to date, honeycomb may change this, but I highly doubt the upcoming tegra phones will sport honeycomb on release, or anytime soon after release. That’s being delusional. Manufacturers have taken so long to release these tegra phones, and these manufacturers are catastrophically slow with updates. I’ll be surprised frankly if they ship with gingerbread.
Good luck getting your updates on these tegra phones in a timely manner.
Tegra is unbelievably powerful, no question, but in the hands of device manufacturers I think performance will vary greatly – device manufacturers tend to throw in great hardware and then cripple it with absolutely shocking OS revisions and software optimisation.
You’re guaranteed a lot of great optimisation with the Nexus S, but not with other products.
You really only have the LG Star and Motorola Olympus to choose from if you want tegra, and they were running froyo when we last saw them. The LG Star just looks horrible as far as build quality is concerned and video demo’s show it lag, and the Olympus is a AT&T phone, so if you hate that network you’re screwed on that front.
Plus remember both with be nowhere as hackable as the Nexus S, which will see huge dev support just as the N1 before it. You’ll be lucky if these tegra phones get any decent root access. Motorola loves the efuse concept. It’s crackable but it will never have the simplicity of the Nexus S.
And lastly, who doesn’t want the phone that developers are developing their stuff on? The Nexus S is THE benchmark for all future android phone applications. You’re guaranteed that apps will run as the developer intended on the Nexus S over any other phone in the Android ecosystem.
Embrace this phone and give it a damn chance. Google deserves that much.
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+1
I remember how pissed everyone was when Google closed the web store thinking they caved into the carriers demands and there would never be a pure android phone again.
So now that Google actually comes out with an even better phone everyone wants to complain? I could care less if its a dual core or doesn't have an SD card or wasn't as game changing as the Nexus One.
All I care about is the concept:
- Google phone with pure android
- Better specs than Nexus One
- Can be used w/ t-zones
People complaining it wasn't a game changer need to be happy there at least is an option now in case our Nexus One is lost. I know I sure am

You sure it's going to be the benchmark for the entire next year?
Sure it'll be the benchmark for next 6 months i'd say but heck, neither LG Star nor Motorola Olympus is ready yet and why they were running 2.2? Because they were made before Gingerbread was even ready for the Nexus S. They were built from scratch not from an existing product. My opinion, I love my Nexus One. It was the true innovation the time it came out. Who had AMOLED screen and snapdragon processor on one phone back in June? except for HD2, nobody really did. It set the benchmark for every android device to beat until now. I'm not saying the Nexus S don't deserve the Nexus name or anything. It's just isn't worth the $529 for what it's lacking. not the dual core processor either.

There is a Nexus S forum now

The Nexus S is a fine phone. As a developer, I'll probably get one in the next six months or so. But I am annoyed by the lack of a microSD slot and LED notifications. I have a 32GB microSD in my N1 right now and have it nearly filled with music. I also have come to depend on being able to glance across the room and see my N1's trackball flashing brightly in a color that tells me just what kind of communication my phone received.
So I'm not at all a hater of the NS, but I am sad that it drops some really nifty features.

Amen.
I shall be getting this phone within the next 3-4 months even after my disappointment with the lack of an SD card slot, LED, and trackball.

Ita a beautiful powerful phone.
But again I cant see why anyone would "love" it coming from N1.
Id consider it but only because Tmo seems to get cute phones instead of the big screen full featured Evos/Droid Xs of the android world.
The decision making behind the phone is just odd. People are calling it out justifiably. If this was anything but "the next google phone" its be another blip on the radar.

I'm not feeling it because there's no Micro SD card support, no LED notifications, and that crappy-feeling build quality. I HATE the Galaxy S line of phones because they feel cheap. I love how my N1 is made of real metal, and feels solid and has some heft to it.
Now, would I love a Nexus S? Sure. Would I want to dish out $529 for one to replace my awesome N1? No way in hell.

wang1404 said:
You sure it's going to be the benchmark for the entire next year?
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LOL
wang1404 said:
Sure it'll be the benchmark for next 6 months i'd say
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You're being generous, IMO.
wang1404 said:
but heck, neither LG Star nor Motorola Olympus is ready yet and why they were running 2.2? Because they were made before Gingerbread was even ready for the Nexus S. They were built from scratch not from an existing product.
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Spot on, Wang.
wang1404 said:
My opinion, I love my Nexus One. It was the true innovation the time it came out. Who had AMOLED screen and snapdragon processor on one phone back in June? except for HD2, nobody really did. It set the benchmark for every android device to beat until now.
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Agreed.
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I'm not saying the Nexus S don't deserve the Nexus name or anything.
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Fine, I'll say it. The S isn't today's version of the 1, and shouldn't have received a Nexus name.
wang1404 said:
It's just isn't worth the $529 for what it's lacking. not the dual core processor either.
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The S has some advantages over the 1. Let's all just admit that now. Wang and I are in agreement here over this point: Those advantages, to us, are minor and are not worth ditching the N1. Wang and I will be waiting to see what drops in Q1, early Q2 at the latest.
The S isn't anywhere near the "superphone" that the 1 was when it dropped. Nice? Sure. Decent specs? Sure. The N1 raised the bar SUBSTANTIALLY. The S only raises it incrementally.
My .02.

highvista said:
I also have come to depend on being able to glance across the room and see my N1's trackball flashing brightly in a color that tells me just what kind of communication my phone received.
So I'm not at all a hater of the NS, but I am sad that it drops some really nifty features.
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1. AMEN...I just dont think alot of people understand just how invaluable this is. Its ridiculously easy to prioritize messages and hands down the easiest way to get notified. Plus for those that are hearing impaired its the only way to get differentiated notifications ((since obviously they cant do ring tones)). Evo/DroidX/MT4G/G2...do any of these phones have it ?
2. Thats all it is in a nutshell. You take the N2 give it hummingbird ,4" SAMOLED, the new form factor ,FF camera ,GB ,NFC we'd all be standing online for it.
But you add only a few things but take away some very important features to many ??
Three steps forward two steps back isnt a good way to make a mark.

The Nexus S will get love, it deserves love, but won't be getting any from me (that does NOT mean I'm a hater, just that I won't be getting one).
* As Schmidtty said, the N1 was meant to push the hardware platform, by using ahead-of-its'-time specs and it did. The Nexus S has nice specs to be sure, but it isn't running way ahead of the pack challenging others to catch-up like the N1 did. The Nexus S is the next "step", the N1 was a big "leap".
* No microSD slot?
* Funky SD/Internal/External partitioning?
Anyway, I'll be keeping my N1 until Uncle Schmidtty comes out with the Nexus Whatever that's got multi-cores, monster GPU, a 5" screen with zillion-point multi-touch and "retina" destroying image density and 16gb /system and microSD slot for whatever I want.

I think it's logical to omit the trackpad, HTC used to say that they still have it on phones to make it easy to navigate and select text. If they already solved that ( as Google says) with the Gingerbread easy text selection and editing then the only reason to have the trackpad is to wake up the phone, at least this is the way I use it.

The loss of trackball notifications has 0 effect.
Check out backlight notifications for the Galaxy S phones.
Works just the same.

Paul22000 said:
The loss of trackball notifications has 0 effect.
Check out backlight notifications for the Galaxy S phones.
Works just the same.
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Hey Paul since your one of the guys on Xda whose opinion I respect alot, what are your thoughts on the Nexus S? Do you plan on getting one?

Namuna said:
The Nexus S will get love, it deserves love, but won't be getting any from me (that does NOT mean I'm a hater, just that I won't be getting one).
* As Schmidtty said, the N1 was meant to push the hardware platform, by using ahead-of-its'-time specs and it did. The Nexus S has nice specs to be sure, but it isn't running way ahead of the pack challenging others to catch-up like the N1 did. The Nexus S is the next "step", the N1 was a big "leap".
* No microSD slot?
* Funky SD/Internal/External partitioning?
Anyway, I'll be keeping my N1 until Uncle Schmidtty comes out with the Nexus Whatever that's got multi-cores, monster GPU, a 5" screen with zillion-point multi-touch and "retina" destroying image density and 16gb /system and microSD slot for whatever I want.
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push hardware platform ahead of its time???? if i am not mistaken, at the time of its release, the nexus one was the third phone released with the snapdragon. first one being toshiba g01 and then the hd2. like 2 months later , the n1 came out. so i dont think this was a revolutionary step.

deeren said:
push hardware platform ahead of its time???? if i am not mistaken, at the time of its release, the nexus one was the third phone released with the snapdragon. first one being toshiba g01 and then the hd2. like 2 months later , the n1 came out. so i dont think this was a revolutionary step.
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I know he didn't mean it, but he should've said Android phones. I don't believe any Android phones were out with the Snapdragon at the time of the N1's release. I also don't believe there were any phones (Android phones) with AMOLED screens at the time.
The NS has it's contour display, NFC, and Google's support behind it.
But it isn't amazing. It doesn't blow anything out the water. Not much to "oooo, ahhh" about..

Eclair~ said:
I know he didn't mean it, but he should've said Android phones. I don't believe any Android phones were out with the Snapdragon at the time of the N1's release. I also don't believe there were any phones (Android phones) with AMOLED screens at the time.
The NS has it's contour display, NFC, and Google's support behind it.
But it isn't amazing. It doesn't blow anything out the water. Not much to "oooo, ahhh" about..
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The only innovative thing n1 came with at that time was the amoled screen. you're right.
About android phones, the first snapdragon on android was by the Liquid a1.

deeren said:
The only innovative thing n1 came with at that time was the amoled screen. you're right.
About android phones, the first snapdragon on android was by the Liquid a1.
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Can't believe I didn't hear of the Liquid at the time, it doesn't even seem anyone even compared the Nexus to the Liquid..

Nexus One: End of Life (what are you gonna do)

I love my nexus one and yes I was tempted by the nexus s but as we all know internally its just another random device out there. My question is when dual cores come out what are you going to do with your Nexus One?
My plan is to keep my Nexus One at home in the box as my back up phone. Ever so often take it out boot it up and flash it to the lastest version of Android it can handle.

Well I think the n1 is far from its end of life. The only disadvantage it will have over the dual cores is ability to run advanced games. Unless google makes major ui changes like how running live wallpapers made the g1 look more like a last gen device, then we are good
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I don't understand, how much money do people spend on phones in this forum?
I'm hoping to use my Nexus for at least 2 more years. There is absolutely nothing out or coming out soon that seems like a large enough jump for me to justify buying another phone.

Clarkster said:
I don't understand, how much money do people spend on phones in this forum?
I'm hoping to use my Nexus for at least 2 more years. There is absolutely nothing out or coming out soon that seems like a large enough jump for me to justify buying another phone.
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same here...
i'm actually just waiting on purolator to come to my door to give me my nexus one...
if i want to play games, i'll use my xbox... haha.
or i'll get a tablet.
i'm interested in seeing what motorola is going to show us... definitely putting off on buying a tablet until then.

Imperial.mack said:
Well I think the n1 is far from its end of life. The only disadvantage it will have over the dual cores is ability to run advanced games. Unless google makes major ui changes like how running live wallpapers made the g1 look more like a last gen device, then we are good
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That just might be what Honeycomb is. Speculation but we all pretty much know that it will bring a huge change to how the UI works.
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I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.

Jep4444 said:
I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.
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Same. Unless something awesome comes out on a really good contract. I do like the look of that LG Star/2X, and I imagine 'better' manufacturers will come out with their similar spec'd offerings shortly, which is why I have no real interest in the Nexus S.
At that point, the N1 will be sold for whatever I can get for it

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I plan to keep my Nexus One until early 2012 because frankly, I can't afford to replace my phone every time something faster comes out.
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See I can afford to replace my phone with the latest and greatest the thing is there isn't anything worth buying. I play games on my computer, not my phone so the Nexus S doesn't benefit me in any way.
I'll dump my N1 when something ground breaking comes out (dual core might be it but would need support for it) or when my N1 feels slow like my sons G1 does compared to my N1.

I'll upgrade to a Nexus S once they're free (or $50) on contract, and a decent car dock is shipping. The N1 car dock leaves a lot to be desired, but I wouldn't be without it.
I bought my wife a NS to replace her broken G1, and frankly I'm amazed at how much I like it over the N1. It's ridiculously fast and the 4" screen is a lot better for my middle-aged eyes. My N1 gets so laggy at times I just want to smash it, and I've never had that happen with the NS.
It baffles me why they can't release accessories like car and desk docks when these phones come out, instead of waiting 3-6 months.
I might give some thought to running an AOSP ROM on a Galaxy S, but with the G1 and N1 I've really preferred the bugs in Google's official releases over the bugs in the other ROMs I've tried. Right now my N1 has FRG83D+root and I'm looking forward to the official 2.3 update.

Bicster_ said:
I bought my wife a NS to replace her broken G1, and frankly I'm amazed at how much I like it over the N1. It's ridiculously fast and the 4" screen is a lot better for my middle-aged eyes. My N1 gets so laggy at times I just want to smash it, and I've never had that happen with the NS.
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The irony is, that NS CPU performance-wise is about equal to N1. Hence it must be the difference between 2.2 and 2.3. Or you have some funny background tasks on your N1.

I dont plan on upgrading until something that's clearly a generation leap comes out. Im used to upgrading every year but haven't found anything worth upgrading to yet
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futuregerald said:
I dont plan on upgrading until something that's clearly a generation leap comes out. Im used to upgrading every year but haven't found anything worth upgrading to yet
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I had the same problem with my N95

I dont upgrade every time something new comes out my upgrade was there for the g1 when it came out Oct two years ago. My contract went up in Oct of this year currently out of contract. I bought my N1 off of someone from Clist for 320 back in May. I figured since I have the upgrade why not use it and put my N1 in a safe place where it wont get hurt

In the current scenario , there's absolutely no reason to justify an upgrade . Gingerbread based ROMs will appear soon & I am absolutely clear in my mind that even honeycomb can be modified to run smoothly on our N1's albeit some overclocking might be necessary with higher versions of android . But thats not the case with gingerbread & Nexus S is a complete failure from my point of view as a Google Developer / Flagship device.
I am not willing to upgrade for atleast one more year .

Can I have one fact about NS CPU being faster than N1's?
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I am eyeing the Motorola Olympus because of build quality and tegra dual core. But I would have gladly bought the Nexus S if it had two mics and AT&T 3g bands. I can't figure out why these GSM phones aren't all pentaband these days. The antenna chips are usually capable but they leave out key parts like certain cheap amplifiers that keep the capability off. It's really annoying.

draugaz said:
The irony is, that NS CPU performance-wise is about equal to N1. Hence it must be the difference between 2.2 and 2.3. Or you have some funny background tasks on your N1.
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the 1ghz hummingbird is similar to the 1ghz snapdragon in the n1, however the GPU is many times faster... for anything that involves graphics, the GPU will help out immensely.

drive2droad said:
In the current scenario , there's absolutely no reason to justify an upgrade . Gingerbread based ROMs will appear soon & I am absolutely clear in my mind that even honeycomb can be modified to run smoothly on our N1's albeit some overclocking might be necessary with higher versions of android.
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N1 performance-wise is still on the very top of the smartphones. Yes, the touch screen digitizer is not perfect and the GPU is not the quickest in the world, but for the OS itself it is pretty much a non issue.
If N1 is not powerful enough to run the honeycomb, then very little of todays phones are (in fact none). Instantly making all of them obsolete.
Of course it is entirely another thing if goog will want to invest into N1 development.

No intentions of upgrading until maybe this time next year. Right now it meets everyone of my needs. Still having fun with it. The flaws most folks point out generally either don't bother me or I don't notice them on a day to day use. The only phone I was torn on getting was a G2 even that was more because I had a G1 and loved that phone. I rode that one into the ground. 4-5 warranty trade outs. Still have it rooted running CM as a protable game system for my 3 year old son.
Every phone that has come out so far has been slightly better. When it is time to retire the N1 it will be for something 1-2 generations better than what's available now.

I've always said my nexus one is worthy of a permanent collection device since It's nicer than most phones. Besides I don't have any backup emergency device so I'm gonna keep it in case of emergency backup device.
Normally I sell my device after 6 months for 50% of what I paid and use that cash for my next device.

Nexus One, still worth it?

Hey guys,
need a bit help, well technically my friend does. hes on the market for a new phone and hes quite in love with my nexus one (im def not gonna sell it though! haha). The only concern is whether the nexus one is too old now. He loves the build quality of the nexus one but is worried if its money well spent. He found a mint tmo version for about 320, but at the same time hes wondering if he should just wait and jump to att to buy a atrix or even an iphone 4. So bias aside, is the nexus one still worthy of a 300+ price tag? honestly?
i know its googles baby but what if google does what apple did with their 1st gen iphone. what if 2.3 will be the last upgrade available before google end of lifes the n1.

honestly does your friend give two craps if the nexus one gets an update or not? prob not. anyway my frient recently asked me the same thing, he loved my nexus one and was gonna buy one. he ended up not gettting anything but he was about to do it and found one near him on craigslist and all.
i dont think its a bad idea, i still think its the best phone out there i cant find one i like better yet which is why i keep mine. great build, awesome looking, color trackball, where else can that be found?

I wouldn't sell my phone or recommend a Nexus One to a friend knowing that the power button would certainly fail and the touchscreen will give them issues.
For those reasons i couldn't recommend this phone to anybody!

I switched phones every month for a year, everything having some flaw. I've had this thing since June. No touchscreen issue, no power button issue. Pure Google, piece of art. Get it, keep it, love it.

I just bought my 2nd one (the At&t version). I first bought one on the first day they released the ATT version, but then I sold it to switch carriers. I've been back on ATT for about 6 months now and I've missed my N1, so I just ordered another one from eBay.
I've had the Captivate and the Surround and I still want my N1 back.
It should be here today

DirkGently1: if it was how you're saying, the N1 should have been dropped out the market long ago. I've got mine and got not a single problem (but the touch axis problem, which is not felt not playing on my phone).
I'd suggest the N1, because it doesn't cost like the Nexus S, but still is Google Experience. If only the Nexus S had been pumped up a little more, I'd think about it as my next phone, but dual cores are behind the corner, Nexus S will be overtaken very soon... but still I'd prefere a Nexus S 'cause it's GE.

The N1 is a great phone and I still love mine BUT if I were in the market for a new phone right now I would wait till the dual cores comes out which should be very soon.

RogerPodacter said:
honestly does your friend give two craps if the nexus one gets an update or not?
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its not high on his list but he would prefer something that isn't going to be neglected on updates.
like you guys stated, the dual cores is what hes worried about. with it being so close around the corner, would it be smart investing in year old (while advanced, its still a year old) tech? he just loves the design and quality of the nexus one but hes not sure if that is worth sacrificing the processer and other upgrades in different departments.
im just stuck on whether i should encourage him getting this phone, which is no doubt awesome but old, or wait it out.

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its not high on his list but he would prefer something that isn't going to be neglected on updates.
like you guys stated, the dual cores is what hes worried about. with it being so close around the corner, would it be smart investing in year old (while advanced, its still a year old) tech? he just loves the design and quality of the nexus one but hes not sure if that is worth sacrificing the processer and other upgrades in different departments.
im just stuck on whether i should encourage him getting this phone, which is no doubt awesome but old, or wait it out.
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If he really likes the design and there's nothing else out there he wants, then I would say go for it for that price.
The way I look at it is if he can get a year out of it and be happy with it, then there will be better things out there a year from now anyway.

I've had my N1 since day-2 (had to wait for overnight shipping! ). It's more integrated into my life now, then when I first got it.
...But, I'm definitely starting to keep my eye out for the next thing. The N1 is already starting to show signs of being passed on from Google (ie the current delay on getting official Gingerbread to us!), whereas the Nexus S is the current poster-boy.
If your friend requires no-contract phone and ~$300 is his budget? Well, that's just about a no-brainer that the N1 is recommended.
Other than that, I'd tell them to hold until the Duals become a little more prevalent and then start looking... Who knows, maybe the Nexus Two with Dual-Core (get it, it's a Nexus TWO and it has TWO cores! ) will come out

I love my N1, but wouldn't pay $300 for it right now. It's nice to hear that the resale value is still up there (speaks volumes for HTC's build quality) but honestly, there are much better options out there right now.
If your friend is out of contract, he can pick up a G2 for free from T-Mobile with a 2-year contract. Other than the flimsy keyboard hinge, it beats the Nexus One in almost every category spec-wise. If you're worried about updates - G2 is just as unlockable and rootable as N1, with support from custom ROMs nowhere near stopping.
If your friend doesn't want a carrier-subsidized phone, then his best bet would be waiting a few months until the next generation of dual-core handsets start showing up en masse. Yes, they will be almost twice the price of a used N1 at that point, but that would be money well spent.

Dual cores are fine and dandy, but I would not jump on the first available models.
Nobody knows how is the battery usage or is there are any other esotheric bugs introduced by the new SMP platform.

draugaz said:
Dual cores are fine and dandy, but I would not jump on the first available models.
Nobody knows how is the battery usage or is there are any other esotheric bugs introduced by the new SMP platform.
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Good point. It's always a good idea to wait until the early adopters report in with issues. Power savings of dual-core processors is a fact on laptops and nettops, but yet remains to be proven on the mobile chip architectures. It's good to see manufacturers shipping larger batteries too (1930 mAh on Atrix), but only time will tell.

I bought a N1 right when it came out and loved it, then I got an hd2 and its the best phone I've ever had period, but the nexus one is definitely one amazing phone

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Good point. It's always a good idea to wait until the early adopters report in with issues. Power savings of dual-core processors is a fact on laptops and nettops, but yet remains to be proven on the mobile chip architectures. It's good to see manufacturers shipping larger batteries too (1930 mAh on Atrix), but only time will tell.
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Well, there is a concept of saving power by going multi-core and undervoting/underclocking at the same time. In theory you get more mips per watt.
But it has several relatively major ifs and buts.
First, you need to have something significant to process. The smartphone apps ten to be quite lean on processing anyway. Nobody uses their phones for prolonged number crunching sessions, the processing demand comes in short "spikes".
Second, those spikes should be parallelizable. Which is far from granted.
Third, you need to save more power than you burn on second chip. It is not only CPU itself, but also all this common glue logic around it which gets more complicated than in single core case.
Which altogether does not look like a sure deal to me. It can easily happen, that such dualcore device will greatly improve on video decoding battery life, but get even more miserable than usual standby times. Huge Attrix battery somehow does not look like a good sign to me.
In my opinion the hottest candidate for the second core would be a garbage collector. Which (if properly implemented) could dramatically improve the overall "smoothness" of the phone.
But something similar to the hyperthreading would do the trick too.

As of N1: I bought it when my Magic was starting going slooooow on recent versions of Android. My Nexus One is still highly responsive, and this is what I personally need for my daily usage. And I love to program tools on it: the screen is not small nor too big, it's just "perfect".

I think it depends on what you really want. In fact, I also thought the price of N1 is a little expense. But I still bought it since I really like it, no matter the appearance or the hardware configuration. For me, it's not too old, but your friend need make the decision by himself~~~

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Well, there is a concept of saving power by going multi-core and undervoting/underclocking at the same time. In theory you get more mips per watt.
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There is another feature of these new dual-core chips, is that one of the cores can be toggled on demand. No sense in burning both cores if you're just checking e-mail or syncing calendars/social statuses, but a resource-hungry media app or a 3D game for example would spin up that 2nd core.
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Huge Attrix battery somehow does not look like a good sign to me.
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I'm feeling the exact opposite. Manufacturers are starting to realize that people actually use their phones for longer periods of time, and no matter how power-efficient you make them, a larger battery is always a good idea.

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I love my N1, but wouldn't pay $300 for it right now. It's nice to hear that the resale value is still up there (speaks volumes for HTC's build quality) but honestly, there are much better options out there right now.
If your friend is out of contract, he can pick up a G2 for free from T-Mobile with a 2-year contract. Other than the flimsy keyboard hinge, it beats the Nexus One in almost every category spec-wise. If you're worried about updates - G2 is just as unlockable and rootable as N1, with support from custom ROMs nowhere near stopping.
If your friend doesn't want a carrier-subsidized phone, then his best bet would be waiting a few months until the next generation of dual-core handsets start showing up en masse. Yes, they will be almost twice the price of a used N1 at that point, but that would be money well spent.
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i dunno nexus vs g2 i take the nexus still, g2 is bulky and laggy compared to N1 plus with tzones/web2go its a no brainer... N1 son!

Bought the desire hd a few months back but still im on my n1... dhd cant match the speed n pure google experience... luv the n1 sooo much i'll go so far as to say its the best phone i have ever owned...

All the new phones announced yet I still want the Nexus S.

After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?

Alopez_45 said:
After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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I watched all of CES and I've been following MWC a bit more loosely but not a single one of them makes me want to give up my Nexus S. If you could keep my SNS I'd love to have an HTC Pyramid on top of it but just for poops and giggles. The SNS is the best phone I've owned and I love it.

I feel the same way as you do, but you can also run stock on a Galaxy S II or Motorola Atrix, with Custom ROMs. Of course, it won't be the same as with the Nexus S.
I just like the Nexus s as a whole. What I mean to say with that is that stock Android and updates from Google isn't the only thing I like about the Nexus.

I feel the same. I haven't seen anything that I would want instead of my Nexus S. Vanilla Android beats all

I feel the same..

while i like direct upgrades from Google in the SNS
i really like the hardware codec support for all the media files from the SGS2, and the dual core, and 1GB RAM, and the larger 1650mAh battery, and the 8 mpix camera with the flash, and the microSD support, and NFC, and BT3.0, and...
it's a really hard decision to make, forfeit direct upgrades to get all the goodies vs. keep direct upgrades, and have no goodies
the moment of truth will come when the AWS t-mobile model 1700+2100 hit the runway then i'll let me greed decide

None of these new phones are appealing to me at all.
I'll only buy into the Nexus brand from now on. This phone has been everything I've ever wanted from an Android device.

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while i like direct upgrades from Google in the SNS
i really like the hardware codec support for all the media files from the SGS2, and the dual core, and 1GB RAM, and the larger 1650mAh battery, and the 8 mpix camera with the flash, and the microSD support, and NFC, and BT3.0, and...
it's a really hard decision to make, forfeit direct upgrades to get all the goodies vs. keep direct upgrades, and have no goodies
the moment of truth will come when the AWS t-mobile model 1700+2100 hit the runway then i'll let me greed decide
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and super amoled+. I'm looking forward to a 4" variant, if they make one.

Love my Nexus S. The hardware, the fact that is supported straight from Google, everything about it.
I'm not saying i'm not curious about the new dual core devices, but think about that for a minute: our single core phones go through a day - day and half with a 1540mA battery. Imagine the talk/standby time of those new phones with only 1650 and 1900 mA batteries. When sth just comes out, usually needs work. Like Win7, dual core phones, the android when it ws first launched.
So, i think i'm gonna wait a while before trying a new device.
Google Nexus S rules...

For the most part, I agree. There's nothing so appealing to make me want to ditch my current Nexus S, however, understand what "stock Android" means.
Yes, you get the latest Google updates, and you get the unhampered Android experience, but just be aware that Android is riddled with glitches ranging from minor annoyances to some pretty major issues. (Just to name a few off my head: keyboard issues, home screen icon and swiping issues, gallery issues, rebooting issues, SMS and MMS issues...)
As long as you understand that being on the Nexus line means you're essentially the "beta tester" for Google's Android iterations, then you shouldn't be disappointed. I'm just sharing my personal experience. I found many things critical about the Android experience on previous phones, but always had OEM skins to blame. On the NS, that excuse is invalid.

I too am fairly disappointed with all of the new phones (including the NS to an extent).
Atrix = Plastic, and has Moto's locked down bootloader (major negative, and if it wasn't so locked down, I may have made an exception for its cheaper build quality).
Inspire 4G = Nothing too impressive, still has HTCs horrible mic and speaker quality and probably a ****ty digitizer/touch screen.
HTCs entire new lineup: No dual core? No gingerbread for the Incredible? Minimal upgrades at best.
SGSII = Plastic.
Nexus S = Plastic.
I may be old fashioned, but can anyone other than HTC make a $600+ Android phone that isn't plastic? Or what? Combine HTCs metal build, Moto's excellent speaker quality, Samsung's sensitive touchscreen, and then tack on the true Google experience -- and there you have it, the perfect Android device.
Until then, the iPhone still has an edge over Android with their polished build quality. I'm probably going to get attacked with fanboi'ism (even though I've owned 3 Android devices in the last 2 years), but whatever... it's true... There always seems to be trade offs with Android devices, whether it's build, or OS fragmentation - it drives me crazy.
I'm going to be picking up an Android fun to bum around with, and it's most likely going to be the Nexus S when and if it arrives to Rogers, just because it's the next iteration of the Nexus One. I'll put up with the cheap build quality (I'll try really hard not to drop it) and call it a day.

Ill stay with my Nexy Sexy

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Combine HTCs metal build, Moto's excellent speaker quality, Samsung's sensitive touchscreen, and then tack on the true Google experience -- and there you have it, the perfect Android device.
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I 100% completely agree in that point
why it is so hard for all the manufacture to put all the best stuff together and make a perfect phone?
seems like every manufacture only specializes in 1 thing, but not the rest of the phone.
personally i wanted a phone for work and fun, so the Nexus S fit the profile, just a bit disappointing in the reception area, and speaker, it serves better as a PDA than a phone
for my girl i got her a Moto because it's radio and speaker perfect, it will always get a signal, it was designed as a phone, and it works as a phone

I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
P.S. Atrix might have a lot of things going for it, but the most major innovation I find in the Atrix is the huge battery and great battery life, without sacrificing phone size (in regards to thickness).

I'm sold on the idea of a google backed phone. Now I just need to save up for one of these and find a way out of my contract with sprint. I am just tired of the run around with updates between carrier/mfg. I think I am over the need for having the latest and greatest and can settle down with one device for a while until the newest nexus comes around. A small trade off in my opinion as I will still have the latest OS and support from great devs and plenty of time to save for the next one. Last plus for me is being able to get on a month to month service and no more contracts. I'm on my way over guys, just saving up some cash then its on ;-)
sent by an Epic4g through the cosmos

Have you seen the LG Optimus 2X reviews? Force closes and crashes left and right... talk about half baked.
DarkAgent said:
I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
P.S. Atrix might have a lot of things going for it, but the most major innovation I find in the Atrix is the huge battery and great battery life, without sacrificing phone size (in regards to thickness).
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So far none of these new phones make me want to give up my NS either.
Atrix - locked bootloader
SGS2 - too big, not a fan of the design - I want a search button!
LG 2x - its an LG lol
I may change my mind once I get to play with these phones

Alopez_45 said:
After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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+1
I have a Nexus S and it's awesome. Stock Android is the only way to go.

I'm not gonna lie. I'm still thinking of getting one, even with all the phones on the horizon. My upgrade from T-Mobile isn't until July. Tax return is burning a hole in my pocket... If only they had a car dock like the Nexus One...

DarkAgent said:
I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
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Would it be dumb to get a dual core phone with QUAD CORE phones right around the corner?
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