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Why not just give it to hero and leave it at that?Now verizon got there gruubby little hands on sense but why have two androids released at the same time.Sprint has the hero but the the distinctive looking version the chinless one.The tmo Us got 3 android phones but they arent as good as the competition though.Now the hero is no longer uniquie since all these look alike are getting the touch up.
You do know that there are over 20 android phones slated to come out in the next 6-8 months, right? The hero isnt unique anyway. We've had hero roms running on the G1 since before the hero even had a US release.
yep its now just part of a series of clones..
Yeah I'm not really a fan of Sense UI, it has a couple of cool widgets but it's such a resource hog. Even if I had a Hero with the extra RAM I'd still use the regular launcher, but that's just me.
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Why not just give it to hero and leave it at that?Now verizon got there gruubby little hands on sense but why have two androids released at the same time.Sprint has the hero but the the distinctive looking version the chinless one.The tmo Us got 3 android phones but they arent as good as the competition though.Now the hero is no longer uniquie since all these look alike are getting the touch up.
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well sense ui is very visually appealing and adds function compared to phones running regular android. why keep sense ui only on hero...its htcs own custom ui so they should be able to do what they want.
plus the hero will just end up being a dud...a prototype for sense ui and see where they can improve upon..just like the g1...and the extra ram really does help with speed and multitasking.
and besides companies custom UIs is only included on phone without the 'with google" branding..(sprint hero is an exception)
Lol, that reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS7qVjr1Vps
OMG, why did HTC port sense to other Phones!, YOU WILL PAY HTC, whaaa, whaaa, I wanted exclusive!!!!
Dude, seriously...
Why do you care ?
Frankly I want to see Android do well. Why do I care if other Android phones get anothers UI ? All I care about is handset makers putting top grade hardware for these things.
In a forum much dedicated to importing UIs and Apps from other phones pretty damn ignorant to get upset about this.
i use sense on my g1 just wanted ur opinions since there are so many clones released now
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i use sense on my g1 just wanted ur opinions since there are so many clones released now
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they arent clones...tattoo has 1.6
even so, they arent clones..thats like saying two different dell laptops are clones because they both run windows 7
Sense is pretty much HTC's version or "Branch" of android much like Ubuntu is to
Debian (although not as different).
All HTC Phones with sense offer something different.
The Hero is an "All Rounder" (At the moment)
The Tattoo is a low cost budget phone with customisation aimed at the "less geeky" market.
The next "Major Release" they release with Sense UI will probably have the next version of Sense running on a 2.0 backbone and with a larger screen similar to the HD2.
did you guys forget, the UI is freaking great! Why wouldn't they put it on every phone if so many G1 owners are struggling for a decent version. I want that cliq tho...
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did you guys forget, the UI is freaking great! Why wouldn't they put it on every phone if so many G1 owners are struggling for a decent version. I want that cliq tho...
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Eh, I'm not really a fan. I found that I was just using the widgets for the hell of it. Don't need mail or SMS, music widget always lags, twitter one would never refresh ect. The only widgets I really like are global search, power control, music and flip clock. All of which you can get on 1.6+. I also love Advanced Launcher, which has faunctionality that TouchFlo doesn't. Not to mention it's a friggin' resource hog. So yeah, I'd rather have more RAM available to keep my phone running faster, even if it did have he extra RAM the Hero and 32 A Magic have.
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Eh, I'm not really a fan. I found that I was just using the widgets for the hell of it. Don't need mail or SMS, music widget always lags, twitter one would never refresh ect. The only widgets I really like are global search, power control, music and flip clock. All of which you can get on 1.6+. I also love Advanced Launcher, which has faunctionality that TouchFlo doesn't. Not to mention it's a friggin' resource hog. So yeah, I'd rather have more RAM available to keep my phone running faster, even if it did have he extra RAM the Hero and 32 A Magic have.
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I totally agree, I honestly don't know why people want sense so much, its just not very good in my opinion. You get very few usable upgrades in a trade off with it being much slower, I really don't see the point?
I'm due an upgrade soon and think I might get a hero, but if I do i'll probably root it and put a 2.0 stock based rom on it rather than sense!
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I totally agree, I honestly don't know why people want sense so much, its just not very good in my opinion. You get very few usable upgrades in a trade off with it being much slower, I really don't see the point?
I'm due an upgrade soon and think I might get a hero, but if I do i'll probably root it and put a 2.0 stock based rom on it rather than sense!
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To be honest, I only wanted sense for the widgets and the music app. That was about it, other than that, I could care less about the UI. At the growth rate of android I'm sure custom UIs will be a thing of the past sooner or later.
ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?
When was the expected date for ginger, again?
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ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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you wanna put mulah on that one
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When was the expected date for ginger, again?
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obviously its all rumors until it happens (2.1 on the hero proved that) but everywhere i look i see mid-october
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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you wanna put mulah on that one
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Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
From what I've seen recently, Gingerbread will be 2.3, 2.4, or something like that. Honeycomb is now 3.0. Everything I've read says that Gingerbread won't be a huge change from Froyo and that Honeycomb will become available, first on tablets with phones to follow, early next year. All still just speculation though.
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Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.
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Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
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i call bs. thatd be the first article ive read that concludes with htc updating sense. i dont believe it, but maybe im biased since im a cyanwarrior. for the sake of the convo though, lets assume 3.0 is. already released..with no sense. do you stay at 2.2 for the weather animations, or move on up to the ranks of the GODS?
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Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I don't have a problem with sense but, as you can see in my avatar, Mine is heavily modified (Riptide8). If it's there, people will mod it. If it's not, people will still mod it.
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.
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I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.
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well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...
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well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...
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I don't get what you are trying to say.
he is saying that he buys in to the tech blogs (which have huge reputations for spreading many false or spun rumors) that gingerbread (or 3.0) will be so amazing that nothing done previously will compare and everyone will need to start developing mods based on this new version from scratch. Also that companies that have spent millions on there "us" will drop them completely even though they have promoted them as part of there brand and have many people who really like them.
Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.
You can rest assured that HTC will continue to put Sense on their phones - even after Gingerbread, Honeycomb, etc...
They just completely revamped Sense (Desire HD).
Blur, Touchwiz... I don't know - but I would put money on HTC Sense still being there in the future. I don't have a link but I thought that I read somewhere that HTC has already said as much.
Google stated its coming up with something state of the art that will make sense obsoleet. However, when HTC pushes its 3.0 Android's out the door it will have some sort of sense no doubt. Also try to read and understand what google is writing. They are saying current launchers/sense is obsoleet and that it wont be necessary for gingerbread. They arnt saying futur launchers wont come out and improve on what they are building. The article I read clearly can be missleading if you are just skimming through it but if you actually take the time to read it you will see the words they use discribe only current launchers and sense being not needed.
Oh and my wifes HERO has 2.2 thanks to CM6 It works just as well as the Evo version but its performance settings seriously need to remain untouched unless you are willing to do several test because things like JIT can actually slow that phoen down.
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Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.
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It depends on how you look at it. If you go by the rumors, Gingerbread isn't going to add/improve on the current API/functionality of Android if at all. Instead it'll be a major upgrade to the UI/UX. Up until now we've seen minor/gradual improvements, this release I believe, we'll be a major visual step.
So even though it'll internally be very similar to Froyo, the UI we'll be different enough for us to be wowed and feel like we're using something completely new.
Kinda funny you bring this up cause I just read another thread in Q/A where some guy was asking for 2.1 roms cause he didn't like 2.2 so he wanted to go back. Interesting reading day so far....
Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?
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Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?
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First of all... what? Half of that first sentance made no sense lol.
Secondly... dialer one. Try it. Its awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuiJfEjY5Y0
Enjoy!
Im sorry but I Bought the G2 because it didn't have sense UI installed. I F***ing hate HTC for making a Sh*tty UI and making it have more Bloat-ware than the Atlantic Ocean. So porting sense IU yield no achievement in my book only a step back for stupidity. BTW I had an EVO and could not stand Sense so I paid $500+ just to get away from HTC Sense.. Just my Opinion...
Meh, I don't mind sense UI its pretty. Not everyone that uses Android is a power user and a lot of people care about how it looks with out doing any work to make it look like that.
For the rest of us we can just root install a new rom call it a day =P
GB + Sense 1.0 just makes me want to yawn my brains out. Does anyone know if anything in the new leaked ROM can help the devs work towards a Sense 2.1 ROM that is fully-functional? I can't figure out why HTC/Sprint would even bother developing a ROM with the original Sense in it.
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GB + Sense 1.0 just makes me want to yawn my brains out. Does anyone know if anything in the new leaked ROM can help the devs work towards a Sense 2.1 ROM that is fully-functional? I can't figure out why HTC/Sprint would even bother developing a ROM with the original Sense in it.
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its a test rom i would guess there will be a few more leaks before the final is officially OTA'd
Definitely would be nice--I don't see a point to all these GB Sense 1.0 ROMS out now.
Have you tried VirusRom GingerSense Rev?????
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Definitely would be nice--I don't see a point to all these GB Sense 1.0 ROMS out now.
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Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but I think you're kind of judging the book by its cover.
The leaked rom works and is fully functional (I've been running Misfit's themed version for about a day now). 4g works, gps works, everything works. It's a step forward in progress which makes most of us happy. Besides, it's probably easier upgrading sense from 1.0 to 2.1 when both are running Android 2.3 than it is to upgrade it AND the Android software all at once.
We may get 2.1 someday.
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Have you tried VirusRom GingerSense Rev?????
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this ROM has So much potential. watching it like a hawk, but...
sadly, I am cursed/blessed with living in an area with Excellent 4G, and after getting used to it, I simply can't use a ROM w/o it. ;-)
So many great ROMs right now that don't make the cut (for me), because of that. maybe silly, but...
Mikes Gingersense is a really good 2.1 ROM.
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Mikes Gingersense is a really good 2.1 ROM.
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yea once MMS is fixed ill be running this fully
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this ROM has So much potential. watching it like a hawk, but...
sadly, I am cursed/blessed with living in an area with Excellent 4G, and after getting used to it, I simply can't use a ROM w/o it. ;-)
So many great ROMs right now that don't make the cut (for me), because of that. maybe silly, but...
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That's not silly at all! I'm with you, I finally have 4G here in my area and it's nice to have. As much as I would like to run a GingerSense Rom, there's NO WAY I will run a Rom with no 4G! Not no but HELL NO!!! I need and use 4G and besides, I'm paying for it! 5 - 10mb downloads is hard to leave for crappy .30mbps 3G downloads!
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That's not silly at all! I'm with you, I finally have 4G here in my area and it's nice to have. As much as I would like to run a GingerSense Rom, there's NO WAY I will run a Rom with no 4G! Not no but HELL NO!!! I need and use 4G and besides, I'm paying for it! 5 - 10mb downloads is hard to leave for crappy .30mbps 3G downloads!
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As far as I know 4G is working on these roms. Unless I'm wrong?
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As far as I know 4G is working on these roms. Unless I'm wrong?
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4g works on the leaked rom, with sense 1.0. The gingersense roms (sense 2.1) are still ports from other devices, and do not have 4g.
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I guess the reason I am so disappointed is that I haven't even heard of another GB device running Sense 1.0... seems it would have been easier for them to just push 2.1
I sent HTC an email yesterday about the EVO receiving at least Sense 2.0 and they replied with...
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Wow... an intelligent and (at least somewhat) informative response from HTC, instead of a form letter. They actually acknowledge that they are working on a GB release for Sprint, and let us know that it's up to Sprint, not HTC, which version of the UI will be included (although, I think many of us already assumed this was the case).
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I don't see a point to sense.
LauncherPro>Sense
I personally don't think we will get the new sense only because the Evo 3D is coming. I know it will probably drop after the Evo 3D but it just wouldn't make sense on a business standpoint. Now I am not saying that HTC will make that call but Sprint may. There is no promise of the new Sense coming to the Evo anywhere or at least hear say. I love my Evo like everyone else but I am really getting bored with it. I find myself looking at the Nexus 4g and the Evo 3d. I like the new sense but other than themes and a few widgets, I don't see the big hype. I can't say it's not better because it is. More is always better but it's not a deal breaker.
I personally think the leak is exactly what we will be getting. It makes no sense for them to make a rom and add some features from the new sense like copy and paste, new font, and the newer browser. and keep everything else the same and then soon drop a rom with the newest sense. Don't be suprised if this is all we get. The EVO is going to be a....was a Flagship phone very soon.
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I personally don't think we will get the new sense only because the Evo 3D is coming. I know it will probably drop after the Evo 3D but it just wouldn't make sense on a business standpoint. Now I am not saying that HTC will make that call but Sprint may. There is no promise of the new Sense coming to the Evo anywhere or at least hear say. I love my Evo like everyone else but I am really getting bored with it. I find myself looking at the Nexus 4g and the Evo 3d. I like the new sense but other than themes and a few widgets, I don't see the big hype. I can't say it's not better because it is. More is always better but it's not a deal breaker.
I personally think the leak is exactly what we will be getting. It makes no sense for them to make a rom and add some features from the new sense like copy and paste, new font, and the newer browser. and keep everything else the same and then soon drop a rom with the newest sense. Don't be suprised if this is all we get. The EVO is going to be a....was a Flagship phone very soon.
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this is my thoughts exactly.
in a different thread I mentioned something similar...
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so, this Really isnt the thread for this, but yes, HTC is releasing an update this summer, and yes, a GB update. And like I said earlier, it's all speculation, some say one, some say the other (re: what Sense will be in it.)
Personally, the idea of getting GB to "work" with an old version of Sense, Then putting Sense 2.X on Top of that makes little to no sense to me (pun... intended?).
Sense is big, Sense runs deep. It's not "just a simple overlay". From a software testing standpoint, it makes no sense to test an OS with an extensive older software set integrated, then retest (this close to release) with a completely new software system later.
Perhaps the leak is what we are getting (likely), or perhaps it's an early test build that has been abandoned...? (if we're lucky)
(i'm not saying anything more on this, there are a billionionion other threads re: this... )
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imho, a fully (meaning 4g) functioning gb/sense2 rom for our evos is a long shot, and even less likely an official one.
please, devs, prove me wrong.
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Sense 2.1 would be nice on the Evo, but as it stands now i would like a Gingerbread ROM with 4G functionality with sense 2.1. Other than that, form a marketing standpoint it would make sense for sprint to either hold off on then update or remove it to entice people to buy phones with the newer software. It is a logical business move.
i love how everybody has to use the phrases 'what makes sense' and 'what doesnt make sense', in a thread about Sense
I thought it was posted that 2.3 (and whatever version sense HTC will put in) is supposed to push late June? Was that information innacurate?
So a lot of ROMS are now offering sense 3.0, but is this the real sense 3.0 or is it just the widgets from it and the on-screen? I amusing synergy right now and it says under HTC Sense 2.1, so I'm kinda confused. Is it just this Rom that doesn't have the full sense 3.0 or is it standard that the ROMS only have the sense 3.0 widgets? Thanks
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So a lot of ROMS are now offering sense 3.0, but is this the real sense 3.0 or is it just the widgets from it and the on-screen? I amusing synergy right now and it says under HTC Sense 2.1, so I'm kinda confused. Is it just this Rom that doesn't have the full sense 3.0 or is it standard that the ROMS only have the sense 3.0 widgets? Thanks
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Because the newer Sense versions take up more system resources and space people have made hybrids.
So basically, if sense 3.0 would be ported in its entirety it would bog down our phones? That doesnt sound good on HTC's part...
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So basically, if sense 3.0 would be ported in its entirety it would bog down our phones? That doesnt sound good on HTC's part...
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You wouldn't be able to fit many apps due to its size and yeah, it really wouldn't run very well without tweaking.
Not really "HTC's fault" as much as it is just progression of software.
The Evo is "old" technologically speaking.
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So basically, if sense 3.0 would be ported in its entirety it would bog down our phones? That doesnt sound good on HTC's part...
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That's why HTC hasn't released it for our phone. How is it their fault if the ports don't run as well on older hardware?
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You wouldn't be able to fit many apps due to its size and yeah, it really wouldn't run very well without tweaking.
Not really "HTC's fault" as much as it is just progression of software.
The Evo is "old" technologically speaking.
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this is true but it isnt even so much htc as it is sprint sprint and htc decided to not even give us official 2.1 sense which was pretty ****ing pathetic on their part lol
There are, from what some of the thread titles say, some pure 3.0 ROMs. Not sure how well they work or if they are %100 3.0. But like others said Synergy and MikG are 2.1 + 3.0 hybrid apparently based off the Evo Shift releases.