ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?
When was the expected date for ginger, again?
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ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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you wanna put mulah on that one
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When was the expected date for ginger, again?
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obviously its all rumors until it happens (2.1 on the hero proved that) but everywhere i look i see mid-october
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
From what I've seen recently, Gingerbread will be 2.3, 2.4, or something like that. Honeycomb is now 3.0. Everything I've read says that Gingerbread won't be a huge change from Froyo and that Honeycomb will become available, first on tablets with phones to follow, early next year. All still just speculation though.
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Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.
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Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
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i call bs. thatd be the first article ive read that concludes with htc updating sense. i dont believe it, but maybe im biased since im a cyanwarrior. for the sake of the convo though, lets assume 3.0 is. already released..with no sense. do you stay at 2.2 for the weather animations, or move on up to the ranks of the GODS?
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Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I don't have a problem with sense but, as you can see in my avatar, Mine is heavily modified (Riptide8). If it's there, people will mod it. If it's not, people will still mod it.
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.
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I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.
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well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...
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well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...
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I don't get what you are trying to say.
he is saying that he buys in to the tech blogs (which have huge reputations for spreading many false or spun rumors) that gingerbread (or 3.0) will be so amazing that nothing done previously will compare and everyone will need to start developing mods based on this new version from scratch. Also that companies that have spent millions on there "us" will drop them completely even though they have promoted them as part of there brand and have many people who really like them.
Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.
You can rest assured that HTC will continue to put Sense on their phones - even after Gingerbread, Honeycomb, etc...
They just completely revamped Sense (Desire HD).
Blur, Touchwiz... I don't know - but I would put money on HTC Sense still being there in the future. I don't have a link but I thought that I read somewhere that HTC has already said as much.
Google stated its coming up with something state of the art that will make sense obsoleet. However, when HTC pushes its 3.0 Android's out the door it will have some sort of sense no doubt. Also try to read and understand what google is writing. They are saying current launchers/sense is obsoleet and that it wont be necessary for gingerbread. They arnt saying futur launchers wont come out and improve on what they are building. The article I read clearly can be missleading if you are just skimming through it but if you actually take the time to read it you will see the words they use discribe only current launchers and sense being not needed.
Oh and my wifes HERO has 2.2 thanks to CM6 It works just as well as the Evo version but its performance settings seriously need to remain untouched unless you are willing to do several test because things like JIT can actually slow that phoen down.
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Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.
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It depends on how you look at it. If you go by the rumors, Gingerbread isn't going to add/improve on the current API/functionality of Android if at all. Instead it'll be a major upgrade to the UI/UX. Up until now we've seen minor/gradual improvements, this release I believe, we'll be a major visual step.
So even though it'll internally be very similar to Froyo, the UI we'll be different enough for us to be wowed and feel like we're using something completely new.
Kinda funny you bring this up cause I just read another thread in Q/A where some guy was asking for 2.1 roms cause he didn't like 2.2 so he wanted to go back. Interesting reading day so far....
Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?
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Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?
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First of all... what? Half of that first sentance made no sense lol.
Secondly... dialer one. Try it. Its awesome.
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Thought this was insane!
"sprint Android update! Upgrades to 2.1 for Hero/Moment now expected early 2Q10. Currently working through options for upgrades w/ HTC and Samsung. "
Sorry for another thread, but the others are so long...
So we are looking at April or May.. nice althought most probably by that time we'll be sick of having it for a couple of months already.
I read that. Meh, What they are saying is, "HTC, Samsung : DO we have all of the bugs patched" and HTC and Samsung going...****....did we patch asroot2? Haha.
They can patch whatever they want, Ill be waiting for the DEVs here to make custom ROMs based on that update.
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Thought this was insane!
"sprint Android update! Upgrades to 2.1 for Hero/Moment now expected early 2Q10. Currently working through options for upgrades w/ HTC and Samsung. "
Sorry for another thread, but the others are so long...
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This may be obvious, but what is Sprints Official Twitter username? I would like to follow them.
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They can patch whatever they want, Ill be waiting for the DEVs here to make custom ROMs based on that update.
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+1 Same here
rockcrawler said:
This may be obvious, but what is Sprints Official Twitter username? I would like to follow them.
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@Sprint
Kcarpenter got schooled by @Sprint!
Originally Posted by twitter.com/sprint
@Kcarpenter5407 Have always said 1H2010, now we're saying early Q2.
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1H2010 is business-speak for 2Q2010, but with false optimism for 1Q2010. Coming from Sprint's mouth, 1H2010 probably means 3Q2010. They're not known for making their release deadlines.
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Kcarpenter got schooled by @Sprint!
1H2010 is business-speak for 2Q2010, but with false optimism for 1Q2010. Coming from Sprint's mouth, 1H2010 probably means 3Q2010. They're not known for making their release deadlines.
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ROFL i hadn't checked back! That is true, they did say 1H.
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Who knew they actually read that crap.
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@Sprint
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I knew I was going to feel special, but I asked anyway LOL
I wonder if they are going to be updating due to the fact that the Legend and Desire are both going to be release early next quarter? Hence, a new version of Sense will be on the market and they won't be able to use the 'it's not ready' yet excuse anymore.
if i were sprint, i would be PISSED after looking at forums like this. Not because people are modding the devices but because ppl who are doing this on their free time for next to nothing with none of the resources that the htc/sprint guys have are almost finished making this completely ready and stable, meanwhile the people they are PAYING to do this still arent done, with all the resources and source code in the world to work with
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if i were sprint, i would be PISSED after looking at forums like this. Not because people are modding the devices but because ppl who are doing this on their free time for next to nothing with none of the resources that the htc/sprint guys have are almost finished making this completely ready and stable, meanwhile the people they are PAYING to do this still arent done, with all the resources and source code in the world to work with
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No offense to the devs here, but what they do is really not in any way similar or comparable to what the HTC devs are doing.
Really? I thought the only difference was that guys at HTC have official kernels and the closed source part of the phone...
The "closed source part of the phone" is the vast majority of the code running on it, including most bundled apps and Sense UI. The bundled Google apps are also closed-source and non-distributable (and the new versions rock).
Exactly, DEVs over here still tinker with what they have and make amazing things with so little.
I'd imagine there's an UNGODLY big difference from editing code till it works or looks differently, icons, colors, bitmaps... and creating your own functioning code from scratch. This is what sprint is paying htc for.
I've been able to hack together programs to work a certain way I wanted, but if you told me... i want a program to do a new function... I would absolutely give the deer in the headlights look.
I'd imagine the majority of the DEV's here are able to fill the first type very nicely, only a select few are able to fill the second type, or are willing to code from scratch for free in their free time.
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I'd imagine there's an UNGODLY big difference from editing code till it works or looks differently, icons, colors, bitmaps... and creating your own functioning code from scratch. This is what sprint is paying htc for.
I've been able to hack together programs to work a certain way I wanted, but if you told me... i want a program to do a new function... I would absolutely give the deer in the headlights look.
I'd imagine the majority of the DEV's here are able to fill the first type very nicely, only a select few are able to fill the second type, or are willing to code from scratch for free in their free time.
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Sometimes writing from scratch is much easier that editing/fixing someone else's F*^ed code.
[rant]I worked as a Team lead and the company basically replaced most of my team with offshore (H1B's). I got stuck trying to support poorly written code. In my experience one good developer that writes well-documented code and properly tests his code is worth about 15-20 Offshore developers when you start factoring in bug fixing, code management, and support. The company saved $30,000 for each developer they replaced, but then had to hire 3 times the amount of personnel for support.
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Can anyone contest to the quality of htc's kernel source? is it poorly commented and hacky? My guess it would be pretty professional looking, could and probally am wrong, seeing how it's taking some time to twist the kernel into a fully functioning 2.1.
I haven't dove into htc's code just look around yet, I did with the palm pre a bit and saw some of their almost comical comments they made on some of their internal apps, very neatly commented just some of the stuff they said was kinda comical (talking bout sections of their code being rubish but working.. noting to clean it up later)... I liked the general mood the palm dev's had at the time of their first release (rushed but focused it seemed)
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Can anyone contest to the quality of htc's kernel source? is it poorly commented and hacky? My guess it would be pretty professional looking, could and probally am wrong, seeing how it's taking some time to twist the kernel into a fully functioning 2.1.
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see thats the thing, they have already shown off several phones running sense and 2.1
whats the holdup here?
if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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Well in my own opinion about this situation is that this should be in the general section
If this thread were a poll I'd probably vote that it should be in the general section also.
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if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one
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aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one
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with only two choices for sprint this was the best one don't like samsung and I definitly don't like the moment it's the size of a brick
Despite its hardware, I think this has been one of the best android phones out there. We have the largest dev community of any of the phones! We had most of the functions that 2.1 offers long before any other phones had 2.0.
I think that whether its through Sprint, or through the development community, we will have a 2.2 release for our phone sooner or later.
and yes, general section would have been the place for this.
I don't think Sprint will give us a FroYo release. Remember how they skipped over 1.6 and 2.0 entirely? I think that's whats going to happen here.
I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.
I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.
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I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.
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the hero is not dead and sprint will still carry it for sometime to come. the damn phone isn't even near a year old yet.
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and yet we see the g1 running 2.1
and even sense!
its gunna happen. sloppy and choppy no doubt, but it will happen
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If its sloppy and choppy...what the point?? I'd rather have smooth 2.1 than slow and choppy 2.2...but thats just me................
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I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.
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I read that 2.2 ran 300% or 400% ( don't quote me ) faster on the N1. I'd think the hardware requirements for 2.2 may be a little lower than most think.
Its supposed to be 450% faster, with full functioning... i forgot the name. Some new Dalvik system thats a lot more efficient.
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2.2 i really doubt will be choppy. I bet it will bring a huge increase in performance. It has a JIT enabled dalvik, all built into the whole thing. Im sure our phones will run 2.2 and everything we have from 2.1 and 1.5 like app related extremely fast.
What I dont think will ever run right is full flash 10 and maybe some of the newer apps that 2.2 will bring to the table.
But for what we do with our phones now, I think 2.2 will bring a huge speed increase to.
Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.
It took quite a while for sprint to even get the 2.1 update ready. I honestly think that after the evo is released they are going to focus on it. I think it will get the update but not the hero. There are some of the custom 2.1 roms that are running JIT right now and they seem to run it fine. Although they don't have the 300% performance increase. I think the only way the hero will see it will be if a developer can port it.
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Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.
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We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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I agree, even if it does take up a lot more room then use apps2sd and move cache to your sdcard.
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I think the hero may get another 6-8 months before they EOL it. Of course the evo is where they are gonna throw their attention. That and the new devices coming at the end of the 3rd quarter. It's just the name of the game. Also some new devices have been spotted already, like the moment 2. But as for the hero getting 2.2 from us the devs, I'm sure it will happen. This is aosp were talking about and 2.2 is just another platform. Our hardware is dated though, there is no denying that. They don't even make msm7k devices anymore. They have moved to the new ARCH. But aosp will still carry support for devices like ours for a while. In the end it'll always be how its always been. That's us getting what we put in out of it. Meaning as long as this device has good devs developing for it. It will get at least a few more OS upgrades. I'm getting an evo but will continue my work for the heroc as well. For me this device has challenged me from day one and was the underdog for a long time. But in the end together we surpassed a lot of the other devices because of mine and others pure determination. This device has fueled my adiction and pissed offmy wife more then any other device ive ever owned. for that ill stick aroubnd toill the thing burns up.
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We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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JIT is already on in the AOSP code base since end of 2009 and that is what you are using (it's not a hidden feature, you just need to compile the dalvik with the according flags). And IMO the AOSP source is some time behind the internal releases (at least in terms of JIT).
The question is not if it runs (yes, it runs - no doubt), but how well it will run. The JIT dalvik adds memory footprint and there will be some add on memory requirements as well as startup compilation/code analysis on top.
Since this is a COMPLETE roll out, I hope the Evo gets it this month but I don't know what to expect for sure.
http://phandroid.com/2010/07/06/htc-to-complete-android-2-2-roll-out-by-christmas/
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call me skeptical, but I'll believe it when I see it (fellow Hero owners know what I'm talking about!).
Evo should be towards the top of the list and with Sprint pushing on this, it has to be near. In truth, this gives them 6 months of wiggle room to make excuses.
This is my first Android phone but we should have the option of running vanilla or sense. Waiting for a huge performance update like this just for them to get sense built in is pathetic (I'm a fan of sense too). Love the phone but the wait for their update will determine if I buy an HTC phone again.
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By xmas seems likely. This month I highly doubt.
Read sprint baw thread. They have said numerous times they have not even tested 2.2 with sense
That is very unreasonable for nonrooting consumers. 6 months after 6 months and so on will lead to consumers going for vanilla android devices over sense. Once the general consumer realizes that they won't get a major upgrade such as gingerbread anytime soon they won't jump for a sense device bc they know they won't see an upgrade anytime soon. I hope my point isnt lost in translation, haha.
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That is very unreasonable for nonrooting consumers. 6 months after 6 months and so on will lead to consumers going for vanilla android devices over sense. Once the general consumer realizes that they won't get a major upgrade such as gingerbread anytime soon they won't jump for a sense device bc they know they won't see an upgrade anytime soon. I hope my point isnt lost in translation, haha.
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I'd love to agree with you. However most people aren't geeks like us. They would never notice the 30fps cap, they would not care about (or know about) rooting, they would probably think 'Sense' was different from Android...there are a LOT of people who think Android is unbearable without Sense. I think the Sense API's I a neet addition, though bloatware to me. I think the Sense UI is a gigantic hunk of ugly poorly coded memory hogging garbage.
However I do think Sense (and anything other than differing launchers) will fall by the wayside soon enough as carriers (and maybe even manufacturers) realize the added complexity and testing (read: delay) for Sense. Honestly, I don't think any other company does anything other than different launchers with themes...though I know nothing of motoblur.
I agree with the outcome you predict, I just don't think it will come about by the consumer.
Isn't Gingerbread supposed to arrive in Q1 of 2011? If that's the case, then Froyo on Sense would be outdated since by that time everyone would want Gingerbread.
I guess the best option is wait for one of the devs to forward port the kernel and build an AOSP Froyo
Ugh. A lot of people need bluetooth voice dial support which is only in 2.2.
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I'd love to agree with you. However most people aren't geeks like us. They would never notice the 30fps cap, they would not care about (or know about) rooting, they would probably think 'Sense' was different from Android...there are a LOT of people who think Android is unbearable without Sense. I think the Sense API's I a neet addition, though bloatware to me. I think the Sense UI is a gigantic hunk of ugly poorly coded memory hogging garbage.
However I do think Sense (and anything other than differing launchers) will fall by the wayside soon enough as carriers (and maybe even manufacturers) realize the added complexity and testing (read: delay) for Sense. Honestly, I don't think any other company does anything other than different launchers with themes...though I know nothing of motoblur.
I agree with the outcome you predict, I just don't think it will come about by the consumer.
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That's probably very true. The general consumer might not have any impact in the outcome of sense and the way HTC does things. I like sense but when gingerbread comes along it will be completely useless or so I hope. If HTC then continues to impose their Sense on android and delays huge upgrades half a year or more then I'll probably move on to another brand. Hopefully there will be many more brands of top Android phones on Sprint by then
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By xmas seems likely. This month I highly doubt.
Read sprint baw thread. They have said numerous times they have not even tested 2.2 with sense
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call me skeptical, but I'll believe it when I see it (fellow Hero owners know what I'm talking about!).
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Uhh yeah. I know exactly what you are talking about. I hope and hope, but if it was really coming out this month or next we would have probably seen an incredible or evo leak by now... my money goes on devs getting us a functioning 2.2 vanilla kernel. Just like 2.1 on the hero.
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Could someone educate me further? I've already skimmed through whats "new on 2.2" posts/blogs.
If you "skimmed" thru the changes then you would know what is "so good."
The most significant difference is the JIT compiler which makes the phone perform faster.
- Ability to use apps exclusive to Android 2.2 such as Flash, the new Gmail (introduced today), Chrome to Phone, and more.
- Browser performance is significantly increased with loading JavaScript.
... and more.
If all the Froyo ETA troll posts are any indication it will make your balls hang at least half a foot lower.
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If you "skimmed" thru the changes then you would know what is "so good."
The most significant difference is the JIT compiler which makes the phone perform faster.
- Ability to use apps exclusive to Android 2.2 such as Flash, the new Gmail (introduced today), Chrome to Phone, and more.
- Browser performance is significantly increased with loading JavaScript.
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Thanks, the phone is plenty fast for me as it is :S but if apps are exclusive to 2.2 then it would be worth it.
I think I read that the stock 2.1 kernal will only let us use about 300mb of ram. The 2.2 stock kernal will let us use the full 512mb of ram. Thats huge.
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Could someone educate me further? I've already skimmed through whats "new on 2.2" posts/blogs.
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While it does offer some speed increases there not much else. But if you listen to the whiny Froyo people on here it will change your life forever, cancer will be cured, peace in the middle east and it will give you a handy every time you ask.
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Thanks, the phone is plenty fast for me as it is :S but if apps are exclusive to 2.2 then it would be worth it.
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Well.. they are exclusive because they use new APIs or whatever. Can't complain if there are more performance boosts I'm sure it would improve battery life since it would apply less usage on the CPU.
I know this guy who just got Froyo.... Now he can shoot lasers from his eyes.
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I know this guy who just got Froyo.... Now he can shoot lasers from his eyes.
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This changes everything. Again.
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If all the Froyo ETA troll posts are any indication it will make your balls hang at least half a foot lower.
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This is included in Froyo. Google told me so.
Yeah, updates are overrated.... Google just puts them out to keep Page and Brin's cousins employed, you know....
It's a freaking maintenance release and it brings speed increases, fixes and a few extra goodies. What more do you expect?
And only a complete fanboy would defend Samsung for delaying the update, when the OS has been released for three months (and available to manufacturers a lot longer), and every other manufacturer has managed to put the update on their flagship phones.
no matter if you are using 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, or 128493.2, dumb people using smartphone is still dumb people
jayprime said:
I think I read that the stock 2.1 kernal will only let us use about 300mb of ram. The 2.2 stock kernal will let us use the full 512mb of ram. Thats huge.
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Yea, the himem kernel is really needed. I have 336mb of the 512 available to be used.
MacGuy2006 said:
And only a complete fanboy would defend Samsung for delaying the update, when the OS has been released for three months (and available to manufacturers a lot longer), and every other manufacturer has managed to put the update on their flagship phones.
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Am I really a fanboy if I speculate that either Samsung's coders are really slow or that maybe TouchWiz requires a LOT of debugging to work correctly with 2.2? Hell, maybe Google didn't even give Samsung the source till recently, you don't know anything about how or why it's delayed.
See how that makes you look like a complete ass?
raduque said:
Yea, the himem kernel is really needed. I have 336mb of the 512 available to be used.
Am I really a fanboy if I speculate that either Samsung's coders are really slow or that maybe TouchWiz requires a LOT of debugging to work correctly with 2.2? Hell, maybe Google didn't even give Samsung the source till recently, you don't know anything about how or why it's delayed.
See how that makes you look like a complete ass?
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Hence.. his name is MacGuy2006
raduque said:
Yea, the himem kernel is really needed. I have 336mb of the 512 available to be used.
Am I really a fanboy if I speculate that either Samsung's coders are really slow or that maybe TouchWiz requires a LOT of debugging to work correctly with 2.2? Hell, maybe Google didn't even give Samsung the source till recently, you don't know anything about how or why it's delayed.
See how that makes you look like a complete ass?
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If it is a case of TouchWiz they could easily release it without then work on TouchWiz as a download from the Market much like all the other third-party launchers. Samsung did this with the Home and Car apps, so it isn't out of the question.
Also, I highly doubt they would have gotten Froyo after the other manufacturers. Google isn't in the business of playing favorites. They want the best handsets with the most up todate software possible. That is why they are trying to get rid of these highly customized, hand-cuffed, versions starting with 3.0. Fragmentation hurts Google/Android.
Your best answer, is that Samsung's programmers suck. When you look at their file system method they implemented I'm thinking this may be very true.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4NqT6u_ODk
Any chance we will see this on our devices not in the near future but in the furure?
3.0 is intended for tablet use...there may be a port...but no intention for handset use.
General??????
mastibeta said:
3.0 is intended for tablet use...there may be a port...but no intention for handset use.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/28/android-3-0-honeycomb-emulator-has-traces-of-smartphone-support
supposed to have smart phone support
by the time 3.0 hits (if ever) the fascinate you and i both will be on a diff phone
just happy to have 2.2
Are you a developer? Are you releasing something? Are you requesting a feature for development?
No, no, and no. Go back to general. Your post is not only inflammatory by virtue of the fact that you're asking about something that's two releases away (and technically not even out yet!) but also in the wrong section.
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Honeycomb probably won't make it to devices, since it's intended for tablets.
Ice Cream is the version of Android we would want. It comes after Honeycomb (obviously..) and is the honeycomb UI intended for smart phones.
If anything, next up would be any version updates (2.2.1+) to Froyo. After that, it would probably be an excrutiatingly slow wait for 2.3.x (Gingerbread). The fact that modders keep pressing forward with ROMs & kernels does help considerably though.
Android continuously feels like the girl that is just out of my league, the next version is always everything that I wanted but it feels like ill never get it. Oh well, maybe next phone.
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Android continuously feels like the girl that is just out of my league, the next version is always everything that I wanted but it feels like ill never get it. Oh well, maybe next phone.
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I got that girl...now we live together, puppy...no ring yet. dreams can come true!
Mmmmm...Froyo!
Slow down chief. We just got Froyo We should be complaining about not having Gingerbread before we start discussing Honeycomb or Ice Cream... Also sentences with the words "near future" and "our devices" don't make sense.
Wow, I'm continually amazed at the lack of some to be content or understand the climate of the forums here.
There are threads saying stop posting where's the froyo... This doesn't mean post where's the honeycomb yo?
Please stop the madness...
As everyone has said, this question is ridiculously premature to say the least.
But that said, to those saying "Honeycomb isn't for phones!": That's simply not true. Google execs have said Honeycomb will run on phones in the past, and they talked about how apps will run on both Honeycomb phones and tablets during today's event.
http://pocketnow.com/android/matias-duarte-gives-glimpse-of-android-honeycomb-on-phones
http://news.cnet.com/8301-30684_3-20030465-265.html
Seriously, this thread did nothing to aid in development. This belongs in general.
It just makes it harder for members to sort through to actual roms and development.
Whether or not honeycomb will come to this phone is up to the developers who will have to port it for this phone. If they are willing, you will have it. But requesting this will get you nothing.
bycoo222 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/28/android-3-0-honeycomb-emulator-has-traces-of-smartphone-support
supposed to have smart phone support
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That's just an emulator. I would still think it's Tablet only. http://www.examiner.com/gadgets-in-san-jose/google-android-3-0-will-be-available-only-for-tablets
An emulator would have all possible options.