if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
jeremysterling said:
if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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Well in my own opinion about this situation is that this should be in the general section
If this thread were a poll I'd probably vote that it should be in the general section also.
jeremysterling said:
if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one
Maikock said:
aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one
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with only two choices for sprint this was the best one don't like samsung and I definitly don't like the moment it's the size of a brick
Despite its hardware, I think this has been one of the best android phones out there. We have the largest dev community of any of the phones! We had most of the functions that 2.1 offers long before any other phones had 2.0.
I think that whether its through Sprint, or through the development community, we will have a 2.2 release for our phone sooner or later.
and yes, general section would have been the place for this.
I don't think Sprint will give us a FroYo release. Remember how they skipped over 1.6 and 2.0 entirely? I think that's whats going to happen here.
I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.
I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.
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I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.
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the hero is not dead and sprint will still carry it for sometime to come. the damn phone isn't even near a year old yet.
sandboxlove said:
and yet we see the g1 running 2.1
and even sense!
its gunna happen. sloppy and choppy no doubt, but it will happen
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If its sloppy and choppy...what the point?? I'd rather have smooth 2.1 than slow and choppy 2.2...but thats just me................
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I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.
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I read that 2.2 ran 300% or 400% ( don't quote me ) faster on the N1. I'd think the hardware requirements for 2.2 may be a little lower than most think.
Its supposed to be 450% faster, with full functioning... i forgot the name. Some new Dalvik system thats a lot more efficient.
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2.2 i really doubt will be choppy. I bet it will bring a huge increase in performance. It has a JIT enabled dalvik, all built into the whole thing. Im sure our phones will run 2.2 and everything we have from 2.1 and 1.5 like app related extremely fast.
What I dont think will ever run right is full flash 10 and maybe some of the newer apps that 2.2 will bring to the table.
But for what we do with our phones now, I think 2.2 will bring a huge speed increase to.
Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.
It took quite a while for sprint to even get the 2.1 update ready. I honestly think that after the evo is released they are going to focus on it. I think it will get the update but not the hero. There are some of the custom 2.1 roms that are running JIT right now and they seem to run it fine. Although they don't have the 300% performance increase. I think the only way the hero will see it will be if a developer can port it.
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Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.
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We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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I agree, even if it does take up a lot more room then use apps2sd and move cache to your sdcard.
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I think the hero may get another 6-8 months before they EOL it. Of course the evo is where they are gonna throw their attention. That and the new devices coming at the end of the 3rd quarter. It's just the name of the game. Also some new devices have been spotted already, like the moment 2. But as for the hero getting 2.2 from us the devs, I'm sure it will happen. This is aosp were talking about and 2.2 is just another platform. Our hardware is dated though, there is no denying that. They don't even make msm7k devices anymore. They have moved to the new ARCH. But aosp will still carry support for devices like ours for a while. In the end it'll always be how its always been. That's us getting what we put in out of it. Meaning as long as this device has good devs developing for it. It will get at least a few more OS upgrades. I'm getting an evo but will continue my work for the heroc as well. For me this device has challenged me from day one and was the underdog for a long time. But in the end together we surpassed a lot of the other devices because of mine and others pure determination. This device has fueled my adiction and pissed offmy wife more then any other device ive ever owned. for that ill stick aroubnd toill the thing burns up.
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We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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JIT is already on in the AOSP code base since end of 2009 and that is what you are using (it's not a hidden feature, you just need to compile the dalvik with the according flags). And IMO the AOSP source is some time behind the internal releases (at least in terms of JIT).
The question is not if it runs (yes, it runs - no doubt), but how well it will run. The JIT dalvik adds memory footprint and there will be some add on memory requirements as well as startup compilation/code analysis on top.
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Oh lordy lord! Happy feet! I can't post in the thread as I patiently await it's release, but I can't wait to give this a crack!
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Oh lordy lord! Happy feet! I can't post in the thread as I patiently await it's release, but I can't wait to give this a crack!
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I'm right behind you bro!
I'm slightly curious as to cyanogen's intention's for 2.0 as far. I know he said he's working on a eclair build, but my question is
Willl be still be pulling our proprietary apps from the 1.6 image? Even if it's just based on an upgrade from our current builds that already have them?
or
Will cyanogen be delaying his eclair roms till HTC puts out a 2.0 ADP image?
or
Will cyanogen just be backporting certain features from 2.0 into the current build?
or
Something else that I haven't thought of?
It sounds like, so far, they are focusing on making their own 2.0 using drivers from 1.6, thus some stuff is working, and other aspects are not. So the apps and framework sounds to be 2.0, but the bits and pieces behind the scenes are 1.6 modded to work with 2.0 framework.
I could be way off the mark, but that seems to be this dumb man's understanding of it.
2.0 is the real "hope and change" were all waiting for
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2.0 is the real "hope and change" were all waiting for :d
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yeah obama!!!!!!!! Changeeeeeeeeeeee
yes but has the G1 the proper hardware to run it smoothly?
I believe the G! does have the proper hardware... None of the new Android devices are really that far ahead of the G1 hardware wise... especialy CPU wise, they almost all have the same 7200 series chip. Only real difference, that matters, is RAM size, but we have overcome that with compcache and swap. As well, base Android is nowhere nearly too big to fit on these devices.
Hell, I was running Hero roms on my Kaiser, which is way behind the Dream hardware wise, and it was running better than WinMo, so I don't really see anyway 2.0 won't fly like a monkey with wings.
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I believe the G! does have the proper hardware... None of the new Android devices are really that far ahead of the G1 hardware wise... especialy CPU wise, they almost all have the same 7200 series chip. Only real difference, that matters, is RAM size, but we have overcome that with compcache and swap. As well, base Android is nowhere nearly too big to fit on these devices.
Hell, I was running Hero roms on my Kaiser, which is way behind the Dream hardware wise, and it was running better than WinMo, so I don't really see anyway 2.0 won't fly like a monkey with wings.
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the only problem is that all the other android have double or even more rom than the g1 so eventually google will have to leave us behind
with app2sd this is not a problem so far.
I am also excited and tingly about 2.0 on my ADP1
Too bad the ADP image is not out yet, given I have a fancy Developers model I was expecting the 2.0 ADP image to quickly follow the open-sourcing of eclair. :-\
Heres to hoping that either ADP eclair or Cyanogen eclair comes out before thanksgiving!
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yeah obama!!!!!!!! Changeeeeeeeeeeee
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Seriously...? Way to drag down xda with politics.
for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
Thanks,
-Grant
says the devs are working hard on support for 4g though. As much hype that it has generated already, I have no doubt that devs will have everything compatible within a very short time period.
I don't see it taking too long for Google to release an Android Froyo with built in WiMAX support, especially since it's coming out over the Summer. As far as how long it's going to take HTC/Sprint to release it... Well us Hero users can vouch for them not having very timely releases. (kernel source anyone?)
I'm sure sprint and google will have it working... no doubt... but making the same changes to what's out there right now... or what comes in the near future... might be a challange for xda developers not sprint ones.
i thin it will be fine. its advertised as the first 4g phone in america and its not coming out until summer. thats a long time in cell phone years
Agreed. I guess the hope is just that the 4G compatibility trickles in from Google and not from HTC.
johnsongrantr said:
for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
Thanks,
-Grant
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Mild fail, i'd say. You haven't even deterred me an ounce from not molesting this phone at launch. Nothing you mentioned is a potential downside when the fixes will be done by summer's launch. Why don't we actually get the device in hand first, start hacking away and then proclaim all the doom we want, eh?? It's still at least ~3 months away.
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Mild fail, i'd say. You haven't even deterred me an ounce from not molesting this phone at launch. Nothing you mentioned is a potential downside when the fixes will be done by summer's launch. Why don't we actually get the device in hand first, start hacking away and then proclaim all the doom we want, eh?? It's still at least ~3 months away.
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mild fail? I said I'm not trying to detour anyone. If you want to get one... then be my guest, in fact, it looks like the best android phone to date. *I* am just not getting one, and was letting whoever cared to know, why I wasn't.
I'm not sure how you are interpreting what I wrote, but I'm going to try to lay it as flat on the table as possible.
-All the roms floating around on xda right now may not be fully functional with the EVO.
-root may not be possible out of the box, or for a long time, or even at all.
-custom build for the wimax code may be proprietary and might not ever get merged with AOSP.
-updates to the next version of android will depend totally on sprint and htc.
-android, senceUI, and wimax will work fine right out of the box I am sure of it.
that is all I'm saying, you are acting like I'm attacking the EVO, I am absolutely not. I was probably going to get one until I read that article, and the points I made are why. These are my personal beliefs after seeing what has happened with sprint and android up until this point, take it however you want, but please take with a grain of salt, any one or all the points I made may not end up being true.
That is all.
Early adopters of any new technology will always face mild setbacks like these.
So long as someone can figure out stealth tethering, I don't think people will be going nuts having to wait for a custom rom.
I still really want one, but I'm going to use my TP2 on sprint for as long as I can until I get bored with it, and too upset with people stopping development on wm6+ apps simply because wm7 was announced.
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So long as someone can figure out stealth tethering, I don't think people will be going nuts having to wait for a custom rom.
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tethering is a native feature of the phone, and there's no limit on data usage... so i don't know what you're worried about.
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tethering is a native feature of the phone, and there's no limit on data usage... so i don't know what you're worried about.
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it comes on other sprint android phones out of the box as well, but you have to pay for the tethering access for it to work. There's actually 2 accounts in your radio programming on your phone, one for normal data, one for shared, the second doesn't work unless sprint enables it. The wifi tethering hack just pushes both accesses through the same account.
I can see why he would be concerned
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it comes on other sprint android phones out of the box as well, but you have to pay for the tethering access for it to work. There's actually 2 accounts in your radio programming on your phone, one for normal data, one for shared, the second doesn't work unless sprint enables it. The wifi tethering hack just pushes both accesses through the same account.
I can see why he would be concerned
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Thats a good point, but with them pushing that as such a large selling point of the phone i can't see them charging too much extra for it... *shrug*
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Thats a good point, but with them pushing that as such a large selling point of the phone i can't see them charging too much extra for it... *shrug*
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I'm definitely not going the *official* tethering route. It's data that i'm already paying for and shouldn't matter which pipe it's coming out of as long as i'm within my cap.
Case in point, on my Treo Pro, with all the tethering i do via wifirouter i still come out less than 5gb/month.
PDANet, i'm looking at you come summer time.
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I'm definitely not going the *official* tethering route. It's data that i'm already paying for and shouldn't matter which pipe it's coming out of as long as i'm within my cap.
Case in point, on my Treo Pro, with all the tethering i do via wifirouter i still come out less than 5gb/month.
PDANet, i'm looking at you come summer time.
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Not that the whole 5gb thing matters, as there isn't a cap on cell usage. Only airCards / the overdrive have a 5gb cap on them. The cell plans still don't.
The real question is, WHEN will it be available for T-Mobile???
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The real question is, WHEN will it be available for T-Mobile???
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Unless tmobile signs on to wimax it wont be
johnsongrantr said:
for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
Thanks,
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this might be a valid point if The evo 4g wasn't shipping with android 2.2 Froyo, which will most likely support these things *fingers crossed tho*
This is idiotic. There already is 4G support in android as evidenced by the EVO it's self and root will happen no matter what. I have no doubt that it will be running Froyo when it comes out so "other" roms won't really matter and who would want to run "other" roms when you have a Froyo base running the latest Sense UI on a HDMI streaming Snapdragon Beast. Maybe I missed the whole point of this thread but finding potential problems on a product thats not even going to be released for another couple months at the least is quite annoying. I'll be getting one if Sprint doesn't one up it's self with something better before then.
Oh by the way HTC broke compatibility with 2.1 Hero and AOSP with their 2.6.29 kernel by using their own non standard power management in kernel. This is the only flaw I can see that would validate this thread and thats if this new power management makes it into the EVO and if and when they release the kernel source. Time will tell. Not random guessing and random andorid "news".
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This is idiotic. There already is 4G support in android as evidenced by the EVO it's self and root will happen no matter what. I have no doubt that it will be running Froyo when it comes out so "other" roms won't really matter and who would want to run "other" roms when you have a Froyo base running the latest Sense UI on a HDMI streaming Snapdragon Beast. Maybe I missed the whole point of this thread but finding potential problems on a product thats not even going to be released for another couple months at the least is quite annoying. I'll be getting one if Sprint doesn't one up it's self with something better before then.
Oh by the way HTC broke compatibility with 2.1 Hero and AOSP with their 2.6.29 kernel by using their own non standard power management in kernel. This is the only flaw I can see that would validate this thread and thats if this new power management makes it into the EVO and if and when they release the kernel source. Time will tell. Not random guessing and random andorid "news".
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Thanks for your input, I disagree with everything you just said, but time will tell which one is right.
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Thanks for your input, I disagree with everything you just said, but time will tell which one is right.
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This is funny. The EVO is what it is, and will be what it will be, once it is released. Even at that time, it won't matter which one of you is right, simply because... well, it doesn't matter.
Could someone educate me further? I've already skimmed through whats "new on 2.2" posts/blogs.
If you "skimmed" thru the changes then you would know what is "so good."
The most significant difference is the JIT compiler which makes the phone perform faster.
- Ability to use apps exclusive to Android 2.2 such as Flash, the new Gmail (introduced today), Chrome to Phone, and more.
- Browser performance is significantly increased with loading JavaScript.
... and more.
If all the Froyo ETA troll posts are any indication it will make your balls hang at least half a foot lower.
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If you "skimmed" thru the changes then you would know what is "so good."
The most significant difference is the JIT compiler which makes the phone perform faster.
- Ability to use apps exclusive to Android 2.2 such as Flash, the new Gmail (introduced today), Chrome to Phone, and more.
- Browser performance is significantly increased with loading JavaScript.
... and more.
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Thanks, the phone is plenty fast for me as it is :S but if apps are exclusive to 2.2 then it would be worth it.
I think I read that the stock 2.1 kernal will only let us use about 300mb of ram. The 2.2 stock kernal will let us use the full 512mb of ram. Thats huge.
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Could someone educate me further? I've already skimmed through whats "new on 2.2" posts/blogs.
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While it does offer some speed increases there not much else. But if you listen to the whiny Froyo people on here it will change your life forever, cancer will be cured, peace in the middle east and it will give you a handy every time you ask.
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Thanks, the phone is plenty fast for me as it is :S but if apps are exclusive to 2.2 then it would be worth it.
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Well.. they are exclusive because they use new APIs or whatever. Can't complain if there are more performance boosts I'm sure it would improve battery life since it would apply less usage on the CPU.
I know this guy who just got Froyo.... Now he can shoot lasers from his eyes.
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I know this guy who just got Froyo.... Now he can shoot lasers from his eyes.
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This changes everything. Again.
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If all the Froyo ETA troll posts are any indication it will make your balls hang at least half a foot lower.
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This is included in Froyo. Google told me so.
Yeah, updates are overrated.... Google just puts them out to keep Page and Brin's cousins employed, you know....
It's a freaking maintenance release and it brings speed increases, fixes and a few extra goodies. What more do you expect?
And only a complete fanboy would defend Samsung for delaying the update, when the OS has been released for three months (and available to manufacturers a lot longer), and every other manufacturer has managed to put the update on their flagship phones.
no matter if you are using 1.5, 1.6, 2.0, 2.1, 2.2, or 128493.2, dumb people using smartphone is still dumb people
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I think I read that the stock 2.1 kernal will only let us use about 300mb of ram. The 2.2 stock kernal will let us use the full 512mb of ram. Thats huge.
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Yea, the himem kernel is really needed. I have 336mb of the 512 available to be used.
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And only a complete fanboy would defend Samsung for delaying the update, when the OS has been released for three months (and available to manufacturers a lot longer), and every other manufacturer has managed to put the update on their flagship phones.
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Am I really a fanboy if I speculate that either Samsung's coders are really slow or that maybe TouchWiz requires a LOT of debugging to work correctly with 2.2? Hell, maybe Google didn't even give Samsung the source till recently, you don't know anything about how or why it's delayed.
See how that makes you look like a complete ass?
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Yea, the himem kernel is really needed. I have 336mb of the 512 available to be used.
Am I really a fanboy if I speculate that either Samsung's coders are really slow or that maybe TouchWiz requires a LOT of debugging to work correctly with 2.2? Hell, maybe Google didn't even give Samsung the source till recently, you don't know anything about how or why it's delayed.
See how that makes you look like a complete ass?
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Hence.. his name is MacGuy2006
raduque said:
Yea, the himem kernel is really needed. I have 336mb of the 512 available to be used.
Am I really a fanboy if I speculate that either Samsung's coders are really slow or that maybe TouchWiz requires a LOT of debugging to work correctly with 2.2? Hell, maybe Google didn't even give Samsung the source till recently, you don't know anything about how or why it's delayed.
See how that makes you look like a complete ass?
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If it is a case of TouchWiz they could easily release it without then work on TouchWiz as a download from the Market much like all the other third-party launchers. Samsung did this with the Home and Car apps, so it isn't out of the question.
Also, I highly doubt they would have gotten Froyo after the other manufacturers. Google isn't in the business of playing favorites. They want the best handsets with the most up todate software possible. That is why they are trying to get rid of these highly customized, hand-cuffed, versions starting with 3.0. Fragmentation hurts Google/Android.
Your best answer, is that Samsung's programmers suck. When you look at their file system method they implemented I'm thinking this may be very true.
Let's poll!
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Let's poll!
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January!
We are talking about sprint and samsung here. Tha'ts like a double whammy!
If its not out by end of this month, my epic is going to be sold on craigslist, or ill ***** at sprint until they call the cops or switch the phone out. Samsung is really getting on my last nerve. I don't give a **** if its the fastest phone out if it doesn't have the os that is about to be old again in a month. Its like running windows xp on a bad ass computer when windows 7 is out, but you can't get the update, no direct x 10 for you.
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I have been hearing about this, but what makes this so great?
lol ive been through this before with sprint..took forever to release the 2.1 update for the hero..by the time the epic gets froyo the next version will probably be out..that really sucks to have such a high end device and always be one and two steps behind the lead os version
IN general no matter what OEM, it will take forever to get the update. Kind of the crappy thing about Android phones with so many consecutive releases. Google said they would slow down after this next release....
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IN general no matter what OEM, it will take forever to get the update. Kind of the crappy thing about Android phones with so many consecutive releases. Google said they would slow down after this next release....
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They better, this is getting out of hand.
I just wish Sprint/Verizon/etc all just used a standardized Android, that way Google could roll out updates like any other Linux distribution. But NO, that'd be WAY too easy, it'd put tons of programmers out of a job because of how simple it would be.
Its all google fault for being too fast trying to achieve the best OS in the world.
Shame on you google!!
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Honestly i dont really care, it will come when it comes. Im not really in need of it anyway i mean then ill have to wait for a new root for 2.2 and all my mods being able to work on 2.2 especially mobile ap. I mean all froyo is giving us is apps2sd and flash and i hardly use my phone for flash and apps2sd will be nice but not like im running out of room.
But i say late November.
mynewepic10 said:
I have been hearing about this, but what makes this so great?
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Maybe people missed this.
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I wouldn't expect it until December 1st at the earliest.
The November 11th is just the date it'll get released to carriers from Samsung.
Sprint still has to add their software, gimp it up, add a few bugs, and test it for weeks.
I like the Epic, but the 2.2 delay is a bit irritating.
Why is this so great?
mynewepic10 said:
Why is this so great?
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Reasons:
1. Android Market Applications - As applications begin to adopt 2.2-only features, and Devs don't support 2.1, applications won't show up on Epics anymore. The reason Android fragmentation is dreaded.
2. Apps2SD - The Epic only has 512Mb of app storage. My phone is getting full....
3. ROM ports - Most ROMs are developed on 2.2 in other platforms. With a 2.2-supported kernel, ROM ports from other phones will be easier to create (as well as CM ROM, since CM is 2.2).
4. Adobe Flash support.
5. YouTube HD (2.2 only)
6. Dalvik JIT Compiler (speeds up applications _a lot_... this probably belongs at #1). We had 2.2 on the HTC Touch xv6900 since about June, huge performance boost.
So far this poll has a very small sample return. Nevertheless it is disconcerting to see that, as of this writing, well over 50 percent think Froyo will be deployed on the Epic in November.
This is amazing, since Samsung has only promised that Froyo would come to U.S. Galaxy S variants in general sometime before the end of the year, and Sprint has made no more optimistic a prediction.
If this poll shows anything, it is that many or most readers here are setting themselves up for a bitter disappointment. Expect a lot of rants around Nov. 30, when we probably will still be waiting.
We will get it when other phones start getting 2.3
Froyo's going to slow the browser down, just wait!
On the other hand, I am looking forward to some of the other features it brings... but it's really not going to make that much difference in the performance of the device. It'll get here eventually. Just because it's taking a while is not an excuse to sell your phone.
Meh. I can wait.
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I have the YouTube from Froyo.. came with mah ROM. :shrug:
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With less and less devs working on the Evo 4G nowadays, I ask, is Evo 4G officially being forced to retire? I myself even went to check on upgrading to the 3VO. It's no fun without any new Roms to play with. Being a flashoholic, I'm suffering from withdrawal, and it's hard to deal with.
What exactly leads you to say that devs are no longer supporting the EVO 4G? The development forum seems as hopping as ever to me.
MaxCarnage said:
What exactly leads you to say that devs are no longer supporting the EVO 4G? The development forum seems as hopping as ever to me.
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Check out the latest updates. I've seen only two in the last few days. Look at the 3D forum, it's on fire.
JKDLBC said:
Check out the latest updates. I've seen only two in the last few days. Look at the 3D forum, it's on fire.
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Newer devices are going to have more support than older.
However, it's also true that the source code for Gingerbread for the Evo was only released a few days ago.
This Guy must have missed the development thread....
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I don’t know, it looks like we shall be set free, in good time but in a "registered" kind of way. At least that is what I am getting from 3D forums and the f+Bk page.
I could be wrong about all of this, but to me, the writing is on the wall. I really feel the demise of EVO 4G, as far as development standpoint. The latest talks is that most of the devs are jumping ship. I mean, can you really blame them. Great phone that has been improved. I've even seen what could be called a collection plates to get certain devs 3VOs. No disrespect to anyone doing. Hard/good work should not go without its just reward.
I think there just isn't anything new really other then kernels no new OS atm to play we have sense up to 3.0 and why port much much more? I do see improvments in each ROM though just slower EVO 3d is hoping cause they don't have anything
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ckoadiyn said:
I think there just isn't anything new really other then kernels no new OS atm to play we have sense up to 3.0 and why port much much more? I do see improvments in each ROM though just slower EVO 3d is hoping cause they don't have anything
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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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I have to agree here. I think a lot of people have gotten into the habit of changing ROMs on a way too frequent basis, to the point where they're switching weekly with 4-6 Nandroid backups of different ROMs so they can jump around as much as they want.
That list above is the true goal of Android development. If I find a good ROM, and there's relatively little bugs (especially less than stock), looks great, gives me something flashy (like Sense 3.0) I can be satisfied for months at a time, not even updating most of that time.
Unless there is something that has yet to be perfected on the EVO, development could halt right now and it wouldn't hurt what we already have. Look at all the things that's been done for the EVO since release:
Wireless N
HDMI-to-TV mirroring
Hacked hotspot
Notification bar power controls
4G on CM7
Hacked Hulu (which is now pointless, but eh)
...and more I just can't remember right now because I haven't had my morning coffee yet. The EVO has actually evolved (no pun intended) over the last year and 2 months, and like any piece of hardware, we're going to reach the limits. But the EVO has shaped the future of Android forever, and that's what we need to remember most.
Our community has created some of the most amazing pieces of code Android has ever seen, and that will only get better with the 3D. Time to move on...if I had the money, I'd get the 3D too, but that's just because I can't root my replacement EVO...
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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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That is my point. We have reached the pinnacle, when it comes to development for the EVO. As a dev, why wouldn't you feel it's time to move on? Their work here is done. The writing is on the wall guys. The most they can do is make minor mods here. The next challenge is 3VO or some other device. I will not mention those other devices by name, I am EVO.
I think there's a huge difference between "end of dev cycle" and "device is on last breath".
Is your evo having any problems running anything? Are you not on the latest android 2.3.5?
CM still has nightlies, miui still has weeklies, only thing really slower is sense and the only one to blame there is htc (and possibly yourself for wasting your time with sense).
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Justin.G11 said:
I think there's a huge difference between "end of dev cycle" and "device is on last breath".
Is your evo having any problems running anything? Are you not on the latest android 2.3.5?
CM still has nightlies, miui still has weeklies, only thing really slower is sense and the only one to blame there is htc (and possibly yourself for wasting your time with sense).
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I completely agree here. My EVO is doing everything I could possibly want! We "may" be seeing the end of OS development for this phone, but now their concentrating on kernels now that the source has been out for a couple of weeks.
I think saying last breath is alittle strong. As far as anything else that can be developed rom-wise maybe. This is still going to be a serviceable phone for quite some time. If you are a person with flash issues you might have a problem. To me once kernels get perfected you shouldn't have to flash like a maniac anyway. Honestly I think the only other thing to perfect now is hdmi and personally I could care less but that's just me. I'm going 3d later this month and the Mrs gets my OG EVO. For her this will be a beast of a phone. Writing on the wall yes, last breath, far from it.
Peace
djwalter said:
I think saying last breath is alittle strong. As far as anything else that can be developed rom-wise maybe. This is still going to be a serviceable phone for quite some time. If you are a person with flash issues you might have a problem. To me once kernels get perfected you shouldn't have to flash like a maniac anyway. Honestly I think the only other thing to perfect now is hdmi and personally I could care less but that's just me. I'm going 3d later this month and the Mrs gets my OG EVO. For her this will be a beast of a phone. Writing on the wall yes, last breath, far from it.
Peace
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I do not believe this statement is too strong at all. Technology moves at a very rapid pace. Once something hits the shelves it's already old technology. Lets take the iPad (yes, I dare to mention this) for example. This was once a revolutionary product, except now, we have the Tablet, the Eee Pad, the iPad2, etc. You yourself even call it by the name OG EVO, which usually signifies something old. So yes, SIR, I do dare say that the EVO is on its last breath.
P.S Trade-in your EVO for a $125 credit toward the 3VO
I guess we look at last breath differently. To me last breath means no more support. Apps no longer supported etc. But we are different people and view things differently.
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