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Nexus One. We're being phased out, and quickly.

NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus

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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.

Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.

There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe

zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.

Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.

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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close

I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....

jasrups said:
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…

You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
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Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
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Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.

I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?

danguyf said:
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!

You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.

Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.

Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.

martin0285 said:
I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.

zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?

Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!

Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?

Sprint Speaks via Twitter on 2.1 Update

Might be the bearer of unhappy news here, but Sprint sent a couple of tweets out today concerning the update.
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553847246
"Android users:Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC on 2.1, on track to be avail Q2. Sprint had hoped to have this resolved by now."
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553862034
"Many thanks to our customers for your continued patience as we work to bring you a positive experience with the 2.1 upgrade."
I guess the fevor pitch got too high and they felt a need to defuse it. Was that a hint of frustration on Sprint's part there as well? ("...had hoped to have this resolved by now.")
Anyway, back to being satisfied with our ROMs for me. Sorry everyone.

least it's still a bit of hope for us not running 2.1 yet. It's a small step in the right direction. Sprint is finally communicating at least something.

How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.

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How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.

Kcarpenter said:
It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.

Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!

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Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!
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That pretty much said it perfectly ...

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How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.

lorsoblu said:
If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.
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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.

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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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Couldn't agree more.

Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo. This is like Deja Vu. The hero came out with old software that had been running on the g1 for a year. Then we sit and wait for 7 months for an update that will most likely be old by the time we get it. They are working on 2.2 and that is coming soon. Now people are going to jump on the same bandwagon for the evo which is the exact situation with the hero. They release the phone in june with software that is going to be considered old a few months later. Everyone that gets the evo will then complain that they are not on 2.2 and how sprint and htc dropped the ball again.
Me personally, I don't think I will get the evo just because of this fiasco. I have been using 2.1 for a while and it's great but is it worth all this headache.....NO. If android doesn't fix this fragmentation they will lose lots of customers. This will really be felt when the new iphone comes out. It's easy for them to play back and forth now but when the biggest competitor comes out, these problems will not be overlooked by most consumers.
I personally think that this update is being held back till the evo comes out so they can sway consumers to that product. Business isn't always about pleasing the consumer. Sprint has got your money and htc has got your money. They want you to buy a new phone and that's that. I wouldn't be suprised if the update drops the same exact week as the evo. They will say sorry for the delay and not meeting the Q2 but it's coming out soon. Nothing is etched in stone and we are just hanging on every word hoping something new will be released.
We have been dealing with broken youtube player and nothing has been done or mentioned to fix it. Do you really want to take the risk in doing this again. Everything is going to be put aside till the evo drops. That is the phone that is supposedly going to save sprint it's decline in customers. The eris is going to be discontinued by verizon this month. This should show everyone that htc is not interested in these products anymore. If they were we would have gotten 1.6 when it became available. The hero was made to open the eyes of cdma customers to android. It did just that and now it's time to get you to upgrade so they can continue to make money. Why does sprint care if you get 2.1. There not going to make any money in dropping the update, so why rush.

my point exactly

I am really curious to know what problems with 2.1 are causing the delay?? After all we have a decent working version now. If there really is some big issue wouldn't we have found it by now?

I don't think its "Android," its Sprint w/ HTC and Samsung implementing 2.1 to their devices. But that's just me.

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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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SMH........

My guess is that the problem lies with one of the POS sprint applications that are stripped out of almost all the custom ROMs since the problem is effecting both the Samsung and HTC updates. They have never worked right and in an application rich environment like Android, I don't think they are necessary. Nav was nice for 1.5, but no longer necessary. NFL is a decent application, but poorly implemented. You can't even let the screen turn off while streaming audio. Sprint TV is a cool idea, but again poorly implemented. It would always start up in the background for no reason. Many people have said it in defense of Sprint, sprint is not a software company... I know they outsource these applications, but it is to a company that has no apparent android experience.

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Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo.
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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?

Does it really matter? If someone is THAT hard up for the updated OS, they can get it without waiting for the official release. And if they're not that impatient, they're probably ok on what they're using.
The people that really want to upgrade their phone can and will do it. I see no reason to freak out about if/when Sprint will release their version of the upgrade.
And for what it's worth, Sprint has ALWAYS been behind in releasing OS updates. They were like that with WinMO as well. Hence one of the reasons people started hacking and developing ROMs to begin with.

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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?
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Isn't Sprint still on track to have the only phones in the US upgraded to 2.1? I mean they are at least going to be the first ones to do it. Not that there aren't companies with a 2.1 phone.
And about fragmentation...it affects EVERY software company, unless the supply exact hardware. FroYo will likely take care of most of it - they approached it with a very modular design. And Rumor has it Gingerbread+ will have more specific hardware requirements, thought still less restrictive than Iphone and WinMo.
We are in an interesting time in the Mobile World. A lot of innovation is happening VERY quickly. It's simply Moore's Law. The next generation of hardware coming down the pipe is just TOO different than what we are running now.

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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.
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When I posted this I looked through the first two pages to check if the info was already up, and to the best of my knowledge it wasn't. (After I posted I saw that the SprintGuy thread had just got updated with it as well, but it was practically at the same time)
Doesn't matter though, we will probably still have someone post this tomorrow morning.

Possibility of Android 2.2 Froyo for HTC Hero

if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?

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if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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Well in my own opinion about this situation is that this should be in the general section

If this thread were a poll I'd probably vote that it should be in the general section also.

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if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one

Maikock said:
aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one
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with only two choices for sprint this was the best one don't like samsung and I definitly don't like the moment it's the size of a brick

Despite its hardware, I think this has been one of the best android phones out there. We have the largest dev community of any of the phones! We had most of the functions that 2.1 offers long before any other phones had 2.0.
I think that whether its through Sprint, or through the development community, we will have a 2.2 release for our phone sooner or later.
and yes, general section would have been the place for this.

I don't think Sprint will give us a FroYo release. Remember how they skipped over 1.6 and 2.0 entirely? I think that's whats going to happen here.

I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.

I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.

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I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.
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the hero is not dead and sprint will still carry it for sometime to come. the damn phone isn't even near a year old yet.

sandboxlove said:
and yet we see the g1 running 2.1
and even sense!
its gunna happen. sloppy and choppy no doubt, but it will happen
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If its sloppy and choppy...what the point?? I'd rather have smooth 2.1 than slow and choppy 2.2...but thats just me................

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I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.
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I read that 2.2 ran 300% or 400% ( don't quote me ) faster on the N1. I'd think the hardware requirements for 2.2 may be a little lower than most think.

Its supposed to be 450% faster, with full functioning... i forgot the name. Some new Dalvik system thats a lot more efficient.
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2.2 i really doubt will be choppy. I bet it will bring a huge increase in performance. It has a JIT enabled dalvik, all built into the whole thing. Im sure our phones will run 2.2 and everything we have from 2.1 and 1.5 like app related extremely fast.
What I dont think will ever run right is full flash 10 and maybe some of the newer apps that 2.2 will bring to the table.
But for what we do with our phones now, I think 2.2 will bring a huge speed increase to.

Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.

It took quite a while for sprint to even get the 2.1 update ready. I honestly think that after the evo is released they are going to focus on it. I think it will get the update but not the hero. There are some of the custom 2.1 roms that are running JIT right now and they seem to run it fine. Although they don't have the 300% performance increase. I think the only way the hero will see it will be if a developer can port it.

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Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.
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We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.

We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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I agree, even if it does take up a lot more room then use apps2sd and move cache to your sdcard.
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I think the hero may get another 6-8 months before they EOL it. Of course the evo is where they are gonna throw their attention. That and the new devices coming at the end of the 3rd quarter. It's just the name of the game. Also some new devices have been spotted already, like the moment 2. But as for the hero getting 2.2 from us the devs, I'm sure it will happen. This is aosp were talking about and 2.2 is just another platform. Our hardware is dated though, there is no denying that. They don't even make msm7k devices anymore. They have moved to the new ARCH. But aosp will still carry support for devices like ours for a while. In the end it'll always be how its always been. That's us getting what we put in out of it. Meaning as long as this device has good devs developing for it. It will get at least a few more OS upgrades. I'm getting an evo but will continue my work for the heroc as well. For me this device has challenged me from day one and was the underdog for a long time. But in the end together we surpassed a lot of the other devices because of mine and others pure determination. This device has fueled my adiction and pissed offmy wife more then any other device ive ever owned. for that ill stick aroubnd toill the thing burns up.

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We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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JIT is already on in the AOSP code base since end of 2009 and that is what you are using (it's not a hidden feature, you just need to compile the dalvik with the according flags). And IMO the AOSP source is some time behind the internal releases (at least in terms of JIT).
The question is not if it runs (yes, it runs - no doubt), but how well it will run. The JIT dalvik adds memory footprint and there will be some add on memory requirements as well as startup compilation/code analysis on top.

[Q] Samsung confirms Gingerbread coming to Galaxy S in March

Just thought I would pass this along. So, does this mean the Epic will see it 3 months later like Froyo?
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186
[Update]
Looks like it's for real. It just leaked out for the SGS i9000 a couple of days ago.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/28/android-2-3-2-gingerbread-leaks-for-samsung-galaxy-s

As I've said in previous threads, if Gingerbread actually comes out for the Epic officially, I'll be completely satisfied and beyond happy with Samsung (I actually like TouchWiz, and would really like some of the performance enhancements Gingerbread brings). I'll even start recommending their phones again and forgive the whole Froyo debacle. Let's keep our fingers crossed!
PS: They didn't list a source, where and when did Samsung officially say this?
Edit: Silly me, I'm on my phone so I only saw the mobile page which doesn't link the source, looks like it was Samsung Germany - so I guess we'll see!
http://www.slashgear.com/gingerbread-for-galaxy-s-in-march-confirms-samsung-25136186/

If thats true..... then we should actually have a working version by... oh I don't know.. the end of summer
Based strictly on track record!

Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'

daddymikey1975 said:
Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Thread should be closed now as no one else can put it better than this. ;-)

March for Germany means maybe by December for the good ol USA market. They keep trying to get all the bugs out before they hit their biggest market. Well at least that's what they say, but I think they always manage to screw it up with all the time they got...something about idle hands?
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daddymikey1975 said:
Hopefully Sprint will be releasing new devices before then.
This way, if Gingerbread sucks ass like EB13, I'l get rid of this damn phone and get something else.
Here's to hoping though, not trying to be a hater, just sayin'
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Mines is working great. Much more stable and faster than d18 and ak28(?). Sorry I already forgot the build of the recent rom.

We will not see 2.3 for the epic. There I said it. There is no point in even keeping your hopes up, its clear samsung does not care about doing updates but only selling units. Nor do they have developers that can even code a update without being pulled days after release.
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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!

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Yeah wasn't it a post by Samsung UK that told us by end of 2010 for Froyo??? Whatever... once the few kinks are out on EB13 (it would be nice if sprintsung could fix it for the masses too) I will be content. I dont really see why they would, with the SGS2 coming out, I mean I guess if theyre already working on it, but its like we got the Beta of the hardware, with the supposed HDMI out on SGS2, etc... What I have learned, is not to NOT buy samsung, they make damn good hardware... its just not to jump the early adopter bandwagon unless they can put out a finished product at launch. Even if they are a few months behind, the others are just catching up hardware wise by then... theyre just catching up to the Epic with the spring phones coming out now Seriously, coming from my days in the high end home theater/distributed audio world, it would seem sammy operates their flagship phones like professional install A/V gear... expensive, and if youre an early adopter, youre paying for bragging rights, not a finished product... youre on the cutting edge. Its like buying a 3d TV right now... IF it gets beyond gimmick, you have what, a year or two before the standards are all set, and then your TV doesnt meet the standards... *cough HDCP* *cough HD-DVD*..... its a rich mans game...
HOWEVER: the dual core phones look to be so much of an advancement of their own, that they may sell just fine without neutering the SGS, etc... so they may just do it... it would be good to get every phone up to a certain point so that theres only a few versions of android out, keep it simple, and shut Jobs up... fragmentation... at least our radios work!
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Samsung UK did promise Froyo to SGS by end of 2010 and kept their promise...to the UK subscribers. Unfortunately the USA is a separate issue all together as we have the largest base of subscribers and afaik 5 different versions (Sprint, AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, and US Cellular). I would suspect maybe summertime by the time we get it, just in time when the new phones come out anyways.

The original galaxy s had hdmi out as well...sprint gimped the epic.
It was supposed to originally have 16gb ROM, 1gb RAM, sd card(I don't think the original galaxy s had an sd slot ..) fm radio, hdmi out, blah blah blah
This phone waslaunching too close to the evo which sprin spent a lot of money advertising, so they had to gimp the epic so that everyone still thinks the evo is better hardware wise.
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Yes, I know the hardware is there... or looks to be (epic), but HDMI, TV-Out, and a few other things (docks) were supposedly part of updates that would be with Froyo... or so says the sprint rep... obviously the docks were committed to, but not the others, and I doubt they will officially implement the HDMI at least, as they are putting in a new HDMI control standard on the SGS2, so if you have a compatible TV your phone can operate some functions of it (volume, power, etc)... so I doubt they will bother with it. Hopefully our geniuses here can pick up where they left off. I agree totally that the EVO was the problem, I dont know about the advertising dollars drying up, that seems to be a thing with Sprint, but I honestly think it was gimped to make the EVO have any leg to stand on, other than for those who dont like hardware keyboards. They could have just put it out properly, and ignored advertising it as they did, and it wouldnt affect the EVO anyways. Especially with the EVOs supposed short supply... really??? how long has it been out, and they cant keep sprint corp stores stocked?? Sounds like artificially inflated demand to me. Is there a shortage of other HTC phones??? Are the execs pocketing too much and not investing??? I call BS, I think Sprint is in bed with HTC... I wonder if the EVO is so cost ineffective, that they are really all preorders in a sense, dont build em till theyre already sold...

I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.

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I honestly don't see a reason for Gingerbread on the Epic. The only real main difference seems to be NFC support (which we don't have the hardware for), and green icons.
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Gingerbread brought a lot of other things that you didn't see (like how most of 2.2s advances weren't visible) including an improved jit compiler, copy paste in the gmail app and others I cannot think of at the moment.

Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.

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If the EVO 4G had a better screen, I would gladly trade down processor speed for software stability (and a phone that just works).
For now, it's a love-hate relationship with Samsuck.
However, I'll probably jump ship at the soonest chance I get.
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I disagree completely. The entire SoC that Samsung uses is FAR superior to the Snapdragon nonsense. The fact that our phones can play high profile h.264 natively without hiccuping at all is amazing. Even the Xoom with its new Tegra 2 Soc, which has a dual core processor and EIGHT core GPU mind you, stutters like a fool trying to do what our phone does. Its embarrassing. If we ever get this software crap straightened out, our phone will easily be competitive for another year until the quad cores start rolling out. The only way I would switch phones is if Sprint got something like the Optimus 3d which uses the new OMAP4430 with the same Powervr sgx540 that our phone has, except clocked 50% faster.
tl;dr - The hardware in our phone is amazing and I wouldn't trade it for anything right now. Also, the screen is not the Epic4g's only differentiator.

March of what year?

Enough said
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Not gonna matter much longer anyway. We are working hard on getting CM7 working on the epic. 4g is going to be a nightmare, but I'm 100% confident we can get everything else working
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Sent from my Evo Killer!!!

Is Evo 4g on its last breath?

With less and less devs working on the Evo 4G nowadays, I ask, is Evo 4G officially being forced to retire? I myself even went to check on upgrading to the 3VO. It's no fun without any new Roms to play with. Being a flashoholic, I'm suffering from withdrawal, and it's hard to deal with.

What exactly leads you to say that devs are no longer supporting the EVO 4G? The development forum seems as hopping as ever to me.

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What exactly leads you to say that devs are no longer supporting the EVO 4G? The development forum seems as hopping as ever to me.
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Check out the latest updates. I've seen only two in the last few days. Look at the 3D forum, it's on fire.

JKDLBC said:
Check out the latest updates. I've seen only two in the last few days. Look at the 3D forum, it's on fire.
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Newer devices are going to have more support than older.
However, it's also true that the source code for Gingerbread for the Evo was only released a few days ago.

This Guy must have missed the development thread....
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I don’t know, it looks like we shall be set free, in good time but in a "registered" kind of way. At least that is what I am getting from 3D forums and the f+Bk page.

I could be wrong about all of this, but to me, the writing is on the wall. I really feel the demise of EVO 4G, as far as development standpoint. The latest talks is that most of the devs are jumping ship. I mean, can you really blame them. Great phone that has been improved. I've even seen what could be called a collection plates to get certain devs 3VOs. No disrespect to anyone doing. Hard/good work should not go without its just reward.

I think there just isn't anything new really other then kernels no new OS atm to play we have sense up to 3.0 and why port much much more? I do see improvments in each ROM though just slower EVO 3d is hoping cause they don't have anything
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I think there just isn't anything new really other then kernels no new OS atm to play we have sense up to 3.0 and why port much much more? I do see improvments in each ROM though just slower EVO 3d is hoping cause they don't have anything
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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.

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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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I have to agree here. I think a lot of people have gotten into the habit of changing ROMs on a way too frequent basis, to the point where they're switching weekly with 4-6 Nandroid backups of different ROMs so they can jump around as much as they want.
That list above is the true goal of Android development. If I find a good ROM, and there's relatively little bugs (especially less than stock), looks great, gives me something flashy (like Sense 3.0) I can be satisfied for months at a time, not even updating most of that time.
Unless there is something that has yet to be perfected on the EVO, development could halt right now and it wouldn't hurt what we already have. Look at all the things that's been done for the EVO since release:
Wireless N
HDMI-to-TV mirroring
Hacked hotspot
Notification bar power controls
4G on CM7
Hacked Hulu (which is now pointless, but eh)
...and more I just can't remember right now because I haven't had my morning coffee yet. The EVO has actually evolved (no pun intended) over the last year and 2 months, and like any piece of hardware, we're going to reach the limits. But the EVO has shaped the future of Android forever, and that's what we need to remember most.
Our community has created some of the most amazing pieces of code Android has ever seen, and that will only get better with the 3D. Time to move on...if I had the money, I'd get the 3D too, but that's just because I can't root my replacement EVO...

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Yeah, it is important to understand that the big rush in the beginning is:
1) Get root
2) Wait for Source code
3) Fix **** ups from the manufacturer
4) Make modifications [possibly from other devices] to improve Android overall.
It's been over a year, all that's been done. While improvements are still coming constantly...the bulk of that work for the Evo is, well, done.
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That is my point. We have reached the pinnacle, when it comes to development for the EVO. As a dev, why wouldn't you feel it's time to move on? Their work here is done. The writing is on the wall guys. The most they can do is make minor mods here. The next challenge is 3VO or some other device. I will not mention those other devices by name, I am EVO.

I think there's a huge difference between "end of dev cycle" and "device is on last breath".
Is your evo having any problems running anything? Are you not on the latest android 2.3.5?
CM still has nightlies, miui still has weeklies, only thing really slower is sense and the only one to blame there is htc (and possibly yourself for wasting your time with sense).
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I think there's a huge difference between "end of dev cycle" and "device is on last breath".
Is your evo having any problems running anything? Are you not on the latest android 2.3.5?
CM still has nightlies, miui still has weeklies, only thing really slower is sense and the only one to blame there is htc (and possibly yourself for wasting your time with sense).
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I completely agree here. My EVO is doing everything I could possibly want! We "may" be seeing the end of OS development for this phone, but now their concentrating on kernels now that the source has been out for a couple of weeks.

I think saying last breath is alittle strong. As far as anything else that can be developed rom-wise maybe. This is still going to be a serviceable phone for quite some time. If you are a person with flash issues you might have a problem. To me once kernels get perfected you shouldn't have to flash like a maniac anyway. Honestly I think the only other thing to perfect now is hdmi and personally I could care less but that's just me. I'm going 3d later this month and the Mrs gets my OG EVO. For her this will be a beast of a phone. Writing on the wall yes, last breath, far from it.
Peace

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I think saying last breath is alittle strong. As far as anything else that can be developed rom-wise maybe. This is still going to be a serviceable phone for quite some time. If you are a person with flash issues you might have a problem. To me once kernels get perfected you shouldn't have to flash like a maniac anyway. Honestly I think the only other thing to perfect now is hdmi and personally I could care less but that's just me. I'm going 3d later this month and the Mrs gets my OG EVO. For her this will be a beast of a phone. Writing on the wall yes, last breath, far from it.
Peace
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I do not believe this statement is too strong at all. Technology moves at a very rapid pace. Once something hits the shelves it's already old technology. Lets take the iPad (yes, I dare to mention this) for example. This was once a revolutionary product, except now, we have the Tablet, the Eee Pad, the iPad2, etc. You yourself even call it by the name OG EVO, which usually signifies something old. So yes, SIR, I do dare say that the EVO is on its last breath.
P.S Trade-in your EVO for a $125 credit toward the 3VO

I guess we look at last breath differently. To me last breath means no more support. Apps no longer supported etc. But we are different people and view things differently.
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