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Next Android Phone w/ Physical Keyboard?

I had been under the impression that the Hero had a physical keyboard. Now that I know that it doesn't, has there been any word about a new Android phone with a physical keyboard?

ATT will be releasing the lancaster in the next few months.http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/

Deathwish238 said:
I had been under the impression that the Hero had a physical keyboard. Now that I know that it doesn't, has there been any word about a new Android phone with a physical keyboard?
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Samsung Bigfoot.

T-Mo needs another good HTC handset with a keyboard. The Dream is becoming old school more by the minute. I want something suitable to replace it once my contract's up, and I don't feel like hopping to AT&T. Not to mention that bordering keys on phones is bad for non-visual key identification, the Dream's separated keys help improve key identification without looking.

Well the G1 is turing into the Iphone. So I dont think it will be old school dead, just hope they keep upgrading it in a GOOD way. Adding a flash to the camera and keyboard support would be a good start... focusing on its linux backend is another, allowing for USB input devices would give it the win. Basic elements. Puddy to give it form, Duct Tape to bind it together, Caffinee to make it go. =)

ubernicholi said:
ATT will be releasing the lancaster in the next few months.http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/05/24/htc-lancaster-is-a-qwerty-slider-with-android-for-atandt/
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Based on the specs, it seems like a downgrade. 4 row keyboard vs 5 row, QVGA vs HVGA, fixed focus camera vs auto-focus..

aceo07 said:
Based on the specs, it seems like a downgrade. 4 row keyboard vs 5 row, QVGA vs HVGA, fixed focus camera vs auto-focus..
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Good to know. Heh Its been debated G1 beats G2, and if G1 beats the ATT one.. so far Im thinking wise investment so far.
I do wonder about that Samsung Android tho..

Samsung is going to be releasing the I7500 Galaxy with 8GB of internal memory and a 3.2 AMOLED 16M Color screen. 5MP autofocus camera with a flash.
Motorola will be releasing some phones as well. Nothing much about them yet.

I remember reading on TmoNews a while ago that there is supposed to be a G1 v.2 late this year, I beleive it is a physical redesign to help its' looks.

Basically has anyone noticed the G1 really was built to last? I havent anything that scream "OMG I GOTTA UPGRADE TO THIS MODEL!" yet. G1 so far has outlasted iphones launch.. I mean soon as they got it, they came out with a 3g model. Something we already have.
Only thing to make G1 perfect. Add flash camera, more internal memory and hell, why not a linux-swap partition built in. =p

We definitely don't want swap. Just more RAM.

The RAM is fine. I wish they rebuilt the browser with the Native Developement Kit. That would probably solve most of the problems. Getting more PoP RAM is just not possible because MICRON has to get their lard asses and do it.
But since ARM architecture isn't their prime investment it'll be a while before we see anything.
I heard a few IRC members were doing the initial looks at hardware hacking. I don't know all the details but if anything we could definetly add flash to the camera if the genius IRC guys figure it out.

You could easily add an external flash via the serial port. It would, however, be somewhat bulky. If you build it in, then you need to butcher it. Either way, it seems perfectly pointless... its not a camera, its a phone/pda.
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The RAM is fine. I wish they rebuilt the browser with the Native Developement Kit. That would probably solve most of the problems. Getting more PoP RAM is just not possible because MICRON has to get their lard asses and do it.
But since ARM architecture isn't their prime investment it'll be a while before we see anything.
I heard a few IRC members were doing the initial looks at hardware hacking. I don't know all the details but if anything we could definetly add flash to the camera if the genius IRC guys figure it out.
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Lancaster = Serious Fail. The chip it uses does not include the ATI 3D acceleration that all the other Android Phones have.
It's like AT&T purposly wants Android to fail instead of releasing a real device.
Maybe Hero.
Rogers Dream on AT&T 3G is great.
-James

The 256MB ROM / 192MB RAM of the G1 is inadequate.
If they bumped it up to at least the 512MB ROM / 288MB RAM of the Canadian Magic and the Hero, bumped the camera to 5MP w/ a flash, and added a slightly larger battery, the G1 would be good for another couple of years. Just about everything else can be addressed in software.

jmacdonald801 said:
Lancaster = Serious Fail. The chip it uses does not include the ATI 3D acceleration that all the other Android Phones have.
It's like AT&T purposly wants Android to fail instead of releasing a real device.
Maybe Hero.
Rogers Dream on AT&T 3G is great.
-James
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no sh!t they want it to fail, why would they want to sell something that will take away from there [email protected] 3gsucks? I haven't seen any ads for anything but that on att

ITs just the battery that should be improved in G1, everything else will do for now...

predo said:
ITs just the battery that should be improved in G1, everything else will do for now...
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its best to invest in a bigger battery. I would but I cannot find any in NYC

Mysticales said:
Basically has anyone noticed the G1 really was built to last? I havent anything that scream "OMG I GOTTA UPGRADE TO THIS MODEL!" yet. G1 so far has outlasted iphones launch.. I mean soon as they got it, they came out with a 3g model. Something we already have.
Only thing to make G1 perfect. Add flash camera, more internal memory and hell, why not a linux-swap partition built in. =p
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faster processor and larger internal memory would be good then we could run the hero roms more efficiently lol.

I would believe ATT and Apple BOTH want it to fail.. afterall that market is about iphones. So ever other GSM is countering iphone with a better android. And isnt he soooo cute. ^^

Possibility of Android 2.2 Froyo for HTC Hero

if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?

jeremysterling said:
if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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Well in my own opinion about this situation is that this should be in the general section

If this thread were a poll I'd probably vote that it should be in the general section also.

jeremysterling said:
if the huge delay of getting 2.1 (or any update for that matter) is a sign of HTC and/or Sprint's dedication to this phone, what do you guys think is the possibility of ever getting an official 2.2 release?
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aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one

Maikock said:
aside from general section, all i have to say about this is. im not getting another unpopular phone lol thats for sure... hopefully evo is not gonna be like this one
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with only two choices for sprint this was the best one don't like samsung and I definitly don't like the moment it's the size of a brick

Despite its hardware, I think this has been one of the best android phones out there. We have the largest dev community of any of the phones! We had most of the functions that 2.1 offers long before any other phones had 2.0.
I think that whether its through Sprint, or through the development community, we will have a 2.2 release for our phone sooner or later.
and yes, general section would have been the place for this.

I don't think Sprint will give us a FroYo release. Remember how they skipped over 1.6 and 2.0 entirely? I think that's whats going to happen here.

I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.

I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.

energizer1389 said:
I think the hero is dead in sprint after july 4.They will want everyone to upgrade to evo. They want those extra $10 a month from us.
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the hero is not dead and sprint will still carry it for sometime to come. the damn phone isn't even near a year old yet.

sandboxlove said:
and yet we see the g1 running 2.1
and even sense!
its gunna happen. sloppy and choppy no doubt, but it will happen
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If its sloppy and choppy...what the point?? I'd rather have smooth 2.1 than slow and choppy 2.2...but thats just me................

chfields said:
I doubt that by the time FROYO is released that the Hero will have the harware requirements to run it.
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I read that 2.2 ran 300% or 400% ( don't quote me ) faster on the N1. I'd think the hardware requirements for 2.2 may be a little lower than most think.

Its supposed to be 450% faster, with full functioning... i forgot the name. Some new Dalvik system thats a lot more efficient.
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2.2 i really doubt will be choppy. I bet it will bring a huge increase in performance. It has a JIT enabled dalvik, all built into the whole thing. Im sure our phones will run 2.2 and everything we have from 2.1 and 1.5 like app related extremely fast.
What I dont think will ever run right is full flash 10 and maybe some of the newer apps that 2.2 will bring to the table.
But for what we do with our phones now, I think 2.2 will bring a huge speed increase to.

Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.

It took quite a while for sprint to even get the 2.1 update ready. I honestly think that after the evo is released they are going to focus on it. I think it will get the update but not the hero. There are some of the custom 2.1 roms that are running JIT right now and they seem to run it fine. Although they don't have the 300% performance increase. I think the only way the hero will see it will be if a developer can port it.

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Nothing comes for free. JIT requires additional memory and the bytecode needs to be compiled before running natively. Depending on how they implemented it, it comes to different tradeoffs. Running a syntehtic benchmark is a bad example on the performance boost you can expect with JIT.
BTW, Google did at first leave out any JIT technology in the Dalvik on purpose, to allow the VM to scale to smaller devices as well.
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We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.

We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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I agree, even if it does take up a lot more room then use apps2sd and move cache to your sdcard.
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I think the hero may get another 6-8 months before they EOL it. Of course the evo is where they are gonna throw their attention. That and the new devices coming at the end of the 3rd quarter. It's just the name of the game. Also some new devices have been spotted already, like the moment 2. But as for the hero getting 2.2 from us the devs, I'm sure it will happen. This is aosp were talking about and 2.2 is just another platform. Our hardware is dated though, there is no denying that. They don't even make msm7k devices anymore. They have moved to the new ARCH. But aosp will still carry support for devices like ours for a while. In the end it'll always be how its always been. That's us getting what we put in out of it. Meaning as long as this device has good devs developing for it. It will get at least a few more OS upgrades. I'm getting an evo but will continue my work for the heroc as well. For me this device has challenged me from day one and was the underdog for a long time. But in the end together we surpassed a lot of the other devices because of mine and others pure determination. This device has fueled my adiction and pissed offmy wife more then any other device ive ever owned. for that ill stick aroubnd toill the thing burns up.

richse said:
We already have a makeshift JIT running on our Heros so I don't see why you would expect the google JIT to not work. If anything I would think they could make an even better implementation of it.
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JIT is already on in the AOSP code base since end of 2009 and that is what you are using (it's not a hidden feature, you just need to compile the dalvik with the according flags). And IMO the AOSP source is some time behind the internal releases (at least in terms of JIT).
The question is not if it runs (yes, it runs - no doubt), but how well it will run. The JIT dalvik adds memory footprint and there will be some add on memory requirements as well as startup compilation/code analysis on top.

Xperia Won't Get Gingerbread (Android 3.0)?

This is just a rumor, so don't chew off my ass if it doesn't pan out (I would really be delighted if I am wrong).
With Android 2.2 Froyo out of the way, Google has already begun developing the next generation Android OS dubbed Android 3.0 Gingerbread which is expected to be released in Q4 2010.
If you are excited about Gingerbread, here is a catch that might make older handset users cringe. According to a French website WebDevOnLinux, Google will be imposing a minimum configuration for running the next release of Android.
The minimum configuration will be a 1GHz processor, 512MB Ram and 3.5 inches or more screen size. This new requirements will mean that older Android handsets will not be able to use Gingerbread unless they root it.
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citsym said:
This is just a rumor, so don't chew off my ass if it doesn't pan out (I would really be delighted if I am wrong).
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How does it affects x10?

Don't think the x10 has the RAM requirements.

by the time SE get around to porting it I'd probably be looking for a replacement phone anyhow. I do only have a 2 year contract.

Yeah, it's a "little" disappointing but the X10 was designed before 3.0 specs ever existed so there's no way they could have known. And at the time, the X10 was one of the most powerful Android spec'd devices announced.
Other than the older Donut OS, I think the Xperia X10 still stands competitively against all these new devices that are being announced.
I think the X10 with 2.2 will be more than good enough and perhaps the next Xperia will be designed for 3.0 out of the box.

well i guess it's a good thing we have root then

Is it not possible that the X10 could in fact have more than 256mb ram? I heard the donut only recognises a maximum of 256mb. I could be very wrong. Also could it not be referring to the ROM of which Xperia X10 has 1Gb. You know, overhall of the OS could demand more storage of the permanent variety

Come on ! No one, including Google, has even discussed Android 3.0 so why push a rumour which has no basis infact ?
Get real...
Would you guys support Windows if Microsoft realeased a new version every 6 months which was not backwards compatible ? Google are falling into the same problems with Android that has dogged Linux for years.
Users just want an OS that works and is incrementally upgradable, we do not want brand new OS's every six months.

Can I also add that RAM has little relevance to the OS.. it is indeed the ROM which is most important.. and clearly the x10 has plenty.

I dont think this will be a burden for xda developers
they got eclair and modded versions of it running the G1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iam guessing even IF this is true it won't affect us that hard. Someone will probably find some sort of ram hack or something.

im_iceman said:
Can I also add that RAM has little relevance to the OS.. it is indeed the ROM which is most important.. and clearly the x10 has plenty.
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Also, Xperia X10 CAN get Gingerbread because it has around 400 MB of ram, and if there is more needed, it can use converted memory stick space like the G1 did.

That is what I thought

instigator008 said:
Don't think the x10 has the RAM requirements.
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Yeah. X10 has 384 MB RAM.
As everyone else said, the RAM requirement doesn't make much sense, even if Google is going to put on a heavy duty skin on Gingerbread (come on, UXP is already pretty heavy and X10 can handle that).

citsym said:
Yeah. X10 has 384 MB RAM.
As everyone else said, the RAM requirement doesn't make much sense, even if Google is going to put on a heavy duty skin on Gingerbread (come on, UXP is already pretty heavy and X10 can handle that).
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That is true - we'll I'm not counting on SE to release it, so we'll have to port the next version of Android to the X10.
But these are rumours, by the way, so we don't know what'll happen officially.

The x10 is getting 2.1, and thats good enough for me. And for all we know, 3.0 may be unstable when it comes out so another company can use it on their new phone first.
It will be fine for now, and in a year or so, SE will come out with another phone, the X15 or something with a similar name and it will be lots of money and we can buy that one too. Then rooting will start all over again, then SE will be slow at updating it to 3.5, and all this will go on and on. But in the end, we are happy with what we have now. And look, I just keep rambling so I'll stop now.

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The x10 is getting 2.1, and thats good enough for me. And for all we know, 3.0 may be unstable when it comes out so another company can use it on their new phone first.
It will be fine for now, and in a year or so, SE will come out with another phone, the X15 or something with a similar name and it will be lots of money and we can buy that one too. Then rooting will start all over again, then SE will be slow at updating it to 3.5, and all this will go on and on. But in the end, we are happy with what we have now. And look, I just keep rambling so I'll stop now.
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I think you are right! We have to accept that our phones won't be the best phone forever! However it's hard to accept that, we should be grateful of what our phone can!!

I've no doubt Gingerbread will boast many great features.
However Froyo would be enough for me on this thing. I really want flash capability on this device. It would have been really handy at work whilst the world cup matches were on.
The speed increase and tethering and hotspot abilities would be appreciated too (i am aware of the market apps for tethering).
I think by the time gingerbread rolls out and becomes the main player I'd be ready for a new handset anyway.

LOL its funny how the poster generalized the whole Xperia won't be getting 3.0. Do u not think SE will have something up for it the end of the year?

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LOL its funny how the poster generalized the whole Xperia won't be getting 3.0. Do u not think SE will have something up for it the end of the year?
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They'll just be gearing up to launch their latest range of android 2.2 devices!
These guys sound like there going to be at least 1 version behind each time for the sake of that UXP.

cashaw said:
Come on ! No one, including Google, has even discussed Android 3.0 so why push a rumour which has no basis infact ?
Get real...
Would you guys support Windows if Microsoft realeased a new version every 6 months which was not backwards compatible ? Google are falling into the same problems with Android that has dogged Linux for years.
Users just want an OS that works and is incrementally upgradable, we do not want brand new OS's every six months.
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Totally agree with you. Why do you guys buy Rachael when you know fully well it's 1.6?
I don't see why one would wanna buy 1.6 and whine about not having the latest OS.
It's bad enough alot of people are still having delusions about 2.2, despite Sony Ericsson announcing that 2.1 will be the next update.
Now 3.0 -__-
Some are even desperate enough to try hack it.
Seriously why not just get a Nexus One or something?

Android 3.0 Gingerbread not going to be on Aria?

Hello all, I've been lurking on the forums waiting for my Aria to get delivered but couldn't help and register to post this bit of information.
dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18897
Can't post links yet sorry, but from the looks of it, Aria's specs don't meet the requirements for Android 3.0. T_T
I know 2.2 hasn't been completely ported yet, but disappointing news nonetheless.
Hoping that information changes in the future.

I have faith that if it is physically possible the same good folks here who are working on getting us 2.2 will manage to get us 3.0 as well, I might be wrong but so far xda has only surprised me in good ways

So very true.

The devs here and at CyanogenMod will have Froyo working on the G1. I have no fear Gingerbread will be outstanding on the Aria due to their abilities and efforts.
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I personally would be extremely thankful for an OTA 2.2 update. Give me that and I'll be happy.

I'm happy with the way 2.1 looks and runs now, and when we get 2.2 I'll probably be even happier.
I don't think I will be craving some gingerbready goodness unless it has some really awesome features. And unless google pulls a miracle, I dont know how the interface can get any nicer than Sense.
And having both 2.2 and 3.0 on the market together is gonna cause some version fragmentation when it comes to apps.

My thought about Gingerbread is that many of the "wizbang features" seem to be processor hogs that'll chew battery life.
I'm not sure upgrading to Gingerbread on my Aria would be worth it. Plus, I actually like Sense and Android 3.0 will be Senseless.

A bit vague, but it it looks like the rumors may not be true (and 3.0 will come to sub-1ghz devices)
http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/01/android-teams-morrill-discounts-gingerbread-rumors/

with gingerbread right around the corner...

ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?

When was the expected date for ginger, again?

igotsthemagicinme said:
ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.

Award Tour said:
Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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you wanna put mulah on that one

werxen said:
When was the expected date for ginger, again?
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obviously its all rumors until it happens (2.1 on the hero proved that) but everywhere i look i see mid-october

Award Tour said:
Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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you wanna put mulah on that one
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Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
From what I've seen recently, Gingerbread will be 2.3, 2.4, or something like that. Honeycomb is now 3.0. Everything I've read says that Gingerbread won't be a huge change from Froyo and that Honeycomb will become available, first on tablets with phones to follow, early next year. All still just speculation though.

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Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.

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Still just rumors but here you go
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i call bs. thatd be the first article ive read that concludes with htc updating sense. i dont believe it, but maybe im biased since im a cyanwarrior. for the sake of the convo though, lets assume 3.0 is. already released..with no sense. do you stay at 2.2 for the weather animations, or move on up to the ranks of the GODS?

Award Tour said:
Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?

igotsthemagicinme said:
LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I don't have a problem with sense but, as you can see in my avatar, Mine is heavily modified (Riptide8). If it's there, people will mod it. If it's not, people will still mod it.

igotsthemagicinme said:
LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.

Award Tour said:
I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.
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well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...

igotsthemagicinme said:
well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...
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I don't get what you are trying to say.

he is saying that he buys in to the tech blogs (which have huge reputations for spreading many false or spun rumors) that gingerbread (or 3.0) will be so amazing that nothing done previously will compare and everyone will need to start developing mods based on this new version from scratch. Also that companies that have spent millions on there "us" will drop them completely even though they have promoted them as part of there brand and have many people who really like them.
Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.

You can rest assured that HTC will continue to put Sense on their phones - even after Gingerbread, Honeycomb, etc...
They just completely revamped Sense (Desire HD).
Blur, Touchwiz... I don't know - but I would put money on HTC Sense still being there in the future. I don't have a link but I thought that I read somewhere that HTC has already said as much.

Google stated its coming up with something state of the art that will make sense obsoleet. However, when HTC pushes its 3.0 Android's out the door it will have some sort of sense no doubt. Also try to read and understand what google is writing. They are saying current launchers/sense is obsoleet and that it wont be necessary for gingerbread. They arnt saying futur launchers wont come out and improve on what they are building. The article I read clearly can be missleading if you are just skimming through it but if you actually take the time to read it you will see the words they use discribe only current launchers and sense being not needed.
Oh and my wifes HERO has 2.2 thanks to CM6 It works just as well as the Evo version but its performance settings seriously need to remain untouched unless you are willing to do several test because things like JIT can actually slow that phoen down.

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Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.
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It depends on how you look at it. If you go by the rumors, Gingerbread isn't going to add/improve on the current API/functionality of Android if at all. Instead it'll be a major upgrade to the UI/UX. Up until now we've seen minor/gradual improvements, this release I believe, we'll be a major visual step.
So even though it'll internally be very similar to Froyo, the UI we'll be different enough for us to be wowed and feel like we're using something completely new.

Kinda funny you bring this up cause I just read another thread in Q/A where some guy was asking for 2.1 roms cause he didn't like 2.2 so he wanted to go back. Interesting reading day so far....

Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?

mikeDCMDVA said:
Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?
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First of all... what? Half of that first sentance made no sense lol.
Secondly... dialer one. Try it. Its awesome.