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Dream development near the end?Is G1 still a good purchase?

Hello i''m interested in one between MAGIC and DREAM,but i'm more interested in Dream for its price in primis and also for the qwerty..
I can buy it without great sacrifice but i read around and discovered that because of its poor rom memory it is not going to have future upgrade by android like next "donut" and "eclair"
What do you suggest?Should i make a sacrifice and spend all my budget for a Magic with 512 rom and 282 ram (magic tim) or doesn't worth the difference?
Do you think Magic will have a good donut-clair expirience while Dream is going to die alone with its 1.5 version of android??
I already see it a little tired with swappnes and overclock to run Hero..what do you think?What should i buy?
Thanks!
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I'm speaking about a suggestion concerning developement..hope the development section is the right one becouse i'm not interested in general suggestion just a specific one refering the future G1 developement prospect..

Deadstar said:
Hello i''m interested in one between MAGIC and DREAM,but i'm more interested in Dream for its price in primis and also for the qwerty..
I can buy it without great sacrifice but i read around and discovered that because of its poor rom memory it is not going to have future upgrade by android like next "donut" and "eclair"
What do you suggest?Should i make a sacrifice and spend all my budget for a Magic with 512 rom and 282 ram (magic tim) or doesn't worth the difference?
Do you think Magic will have a good donut-clair expirience while Dream is going to die alone with its 1.5 version of android??
I already see it a little tired with swappnes and overclock to run Hero..what do you think?What should i buy?
Thanks!
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Buy the Magic!!! just Trust!!! upgrading is always good!!!
first make sure you paid all your bills lol!!!

Its not like Hero isnt sluggish on its own..
I just got the G1 around 2 weeks ago and I love it. It has pretty much everything (and then some) and costs so little in comparison with the more "updated" models.. I dont see anyone stopping development for G1 anytime soon either..
If you need a phone right now, I'd get the g1. If you can wait, I'd skip on the Magic and wait a month or 2, there are quite a few Android phones coming in before Christmas, it might be interesting to check them out.

you need to think long-term and get the htc Magic, much better investment. if you are interested in a keyboard, then consider one of the future android devices that are coming out. there are several with keybaords like motorola or samsung.
the g1 is limited now on space and memory and should be at an end soon. although i am sure development will still continue, you will be limited with what you can actually do.

I'd go with the Samsung Galaxy because 10 GB of storage sound great. The Dream is a dying phone. You can still get donut or eclair possibly if your phone is rooted because of dev's efforts, but it's also frustratingly underpowered.

If I could have any android phone I'd get a Magic, just because the G1 is a brick, and I never use the keyboard so it would be nice to have something a little slimmer.
The 32A Magics with 288mb RAM seem to be imposible to find outside of canada, and I'm sure of you could get hold of one it would be very expensive. Extra space on the ROM doesn't interest me, as we can store pretty much anything we need on our sdcards.

Get the Magic 32A.

Deadstar said:
I'm speaking about a suggestion concerning developement..hope the development section is the right one becouse i'm not interested in general suggestion just a specific one refering the future G1 developement prospect..
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No, its probably not the right section. Q&A would be more appropriate.
In any case, pretty much all commercially mass produced Android phones are using MSM720X processors. There is not much difference between Dream and Magic, save the keyboard and in some cases more ram. If you want a better device you will have to wait.
As for whether the Dream will get future development and updates, that's really all up to the Dream development community. I think the current userbase of MSM720X Android devices is broad enough that there should be atleast a few developers sticking around. All the talk of future versions of Android not being provided as carrier updates is way overblown. I mean heck, of the people who do care about that matter, how many actually still run carrier builds anyway?
Bottom line: if you can afford a Dream or Magic, it's still a good time to buy in.

If Motorola doesn't scrw up, the Sholes would probably be the best choice. Slide out QWERTY and an OMAP 3430 Processor = Yey

I don't post much here but if I was going to upgrade or purchase a HTC TATTOO
Code:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/tattoo/specification.html

mattlewis77 said:
I don't post much here but if I was going to upgrade or purchase a HTC TATTOO
Code:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/tattoo/specification.html
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I wouldn't go for the TATTOO, it lacks a capacitive display.

it also lacks the hvga screen, it has a qvga

This is DEVELOPMENT section.

Wait for the new phones, the storage limitations can be patched with reformatting and external flash, but the raw CPU power difference will be vital for future updates.

This should not be in this section. Thats why God invented the general section

I probably wouldn't buy a G1 right now
I love my G1 and wouldn't trade it for anything currently available (because of the keyboard) but I think the Nand and RAM limitations are genuine concerns going forward. If I HAD to purchase a new phone right now, I'd still get the G1, but otherwise I'd wait a few months and check out the other qwerty options available.

RaiderX303 said:
it also lacks the hvga screen, it has a qvga
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The lack of capacitive isn't necessarily a bad thing (in fact stylus input for entering Chinese characters is a big reason why resistive touchscreens are still prevalent, especially in Asia). However, the downgrade to QVGA is a real bummer. Not just that it's a cost cutting issue, but that HVGA is (rightfully or otherwise) assumed resolution for the currently available applications.
Bottom line is for HTC enthusiasts, the rightful successor to the Dream has not been announced or previewed yet.

ei8htohms said:
I love my G1 and wouldn't trade it for anything currently available (because of the keyboard) but I think the Nand and RAM limitations are genuine concerns going forward. If I HAD to purchase a new phone right now, I'd still get the G1, but otherwise I'd wait a few months and check out the other qwerty options available.
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That's pretty much my philosophy - I wouldn't buy any phone right now as a "future proof" purchase. Every phone out has its limitations: the Dream's being memory and the Magic being the lack of hard keys. As a purchase TODAY, I'd probably get the G1 again, but either is gonna offer a nice experience. If I could wait a few months, I would definitely do that - there's several nice Android options in the pipeline.

mattlewis77 said:
I don't post much here but if I was going to upgrade or purchase a HTC TATTOO
Code:
http://www.htc.com/www/product/tattoo/specification.html
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tattoo is an entry level android phone with a resistive touchscreen. smaller screen.

Drizzy Drake Rogers said:
Buy the Magic!!! just Trust!!! upgrading is always good!!!
first make sure you paid all your bills lol!!!
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words from a developer. he suggested the magic. u should take his words since he does makes roms and see's what our dreams/g1s can and cannot do.

MyTouch Slide????

so the mytouch slide is coming out in may, think anybody will get it if it has the 1ghz processor in it?

NO 1 GHz for we
MyTouch2 / MyTouch Silde
1300mAHr Battery * MicroSD memory cardslot is accessible without battery removal. It is a push to insert and push to remove design. * Optical trackpad with an integrated push button. * Camera with LED flash. * 3.5 mm Headset Jack * Slide-out 4 row QWERTY keyboard * 320×48o screen resolution. * ARM11 processor
Source TMoNews.com

thanks turtleman, but i said what if it comes with it, those arent the definite specs
Sent from my T-Mobile G1 using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

For the ones interested here are the photos caught recently:
http://www.tmonews.com/2010/04/mytouch-images-in-the-wild-part-two/
Personally I do not like the keybaord layout

From what I read its going to be pretty hard for them to push out a 1ghz processor on the mytouch slide as well.

It is going to be the 528mhz and 5 mp camera w/flash.

im mad all these new phones keep coming out, I had the G1 and I loved it, then the mytouch came out and I got that..THEN they basically said **** YOU and brought out another mytouch with a headphone jack! FML FML FML!

4 row keyboard = fail

There will ALWAYS be another phone. Just like mom said, "there are more fish in the sea". Be patient and buy a new phone for the features, not because it's the new one. If you don't like this one, just wait a few months and there will be another one.

I think a lot of rumors and speculations are being tossed around here.
After using the White myTouch Slide for a good bit I can confirm that it is most likely not using the same 528mhz processor as previously used in the myTouch 3G. Running 2.1 and HTC Sense UI alone can be a chore on the first myTouch and G1 but on this phone it ran like a dream (no pun intended). Tried to see if I could find lag within the launcher and had widgets on ALL home screens with no problems at all jumping from app to app or opening the app drawer. Speeds were comparable to the N1 although I doubt it has a 1ghz. Although the whole time I was playing with it I didn't think to confirm the processor speeds with any apps so I'll have to do that Monday or something.
Beautiful phone though and the 4 row keyboard is one of the nicest I've seen. The spacing on keys makes it so nice for texting/emailing. It will take some adjustments as do all new phones.
Definitely going to be my next purchase moving from the G1. Glad I held off on the HD2 and N1 as I enjoy the luxury of CHOOSING my keyboard preference.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=665097
here you go. I posted the full specs. In the myTouch section since it is the myTouch slide!

This was taken from someone who posted on another site but seems legit:
I work for T-Mobile and am supposed to be getting one of these soon as part of a MyTouch Champion promotion. I was also a a meeting this evening a rep had already received his, and from everything I see, it flat out flies! I know the processor isnt much of an increase, but HTC has done something right because the multitouch seemed really responsive and the new Sense looks clean. I was also told at the meeting that the processor is actually 700 MHz, not 600, so take it for what it’s worth, but I’ll be more than happy to post again once I receive mine.

legend221 said:
This was taken from someone who posted on another site but seems legit:
I work for T-Mobile and am supposed to be getting one of these soon as part of a MyTouch Champion promotion. I was also a a meeting this evening a rep had already received his, and from everything I see, it flat out flies! I know the processor isnt much of an increase, but HTC has done something right because the multitouch seemed really responsive and the new Sense looks clean. I was also told at the meeting that the processor is actually 700 MHz, not 600, so take it for what it’s worth, but I’ll be more than happy to post again once I receive mine.
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They've already sent them out to employees in Las Vegas. Maybe even as long as a week ago. I read it somewhere not too long ago. They said they were impressed - but most of those gadget sites always rate something "good." It may look pretty, but that doesn't mean its a good phone. I'll be waiting for Google's next phone. Or another good HTC phone. No more in store phones for me. MyTouch/G1 was good - but they don't carry the actual GOOD phones. As I've said before (somewhere, lol): If HTC had the best phone on the market and released it to T-Mobile and T-Mobile locks it to their network only... well, thats just bad business. Think about how many more G1s would have sold if they released it for EVERY carrier.
P.S.: Is that keyboard italic? That's just tacky.

Liked it till I saw the keyboard. Too much going on. And what's with the funky g button?
I'll pass thank you...

philosophics said:
Liked it till I saw the keyboard. Too much going on. And what's with the funky g button?
I'll pass thank you...
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The G button is for Genius search

legend221 said:
Personally I do not like the keybaord layout
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Why not?
The layout is *correct*, which is NOT the case on ANY OTHER android phone except the DREAM.
You will note that the typical INCORRECT layout has the Q button directly above the A button, which is directly over the Z button. This INCORRECT layout is virtually useless since the buttons are in the WRONG PLACES!!!
The lack of the 5th row does not make the layout bad. The layout can be either correct or incorrect, and in this case, it is correct.

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Think about how many more G1s would have sold if they released it for EVERY carrier.
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You may be confused by the fact that "G1" is ***NOT THE PRODUCT'S REAL NAME***, but they are MOST DEFINITELY available for ALL carriers with compatible frequencies. *** The one sold as ANDROID DEVELOPER PHONE 1 *** is NOT bootloader or sim locked, or, for that matter, even sold via carriers. Good for EVERY carrier!

lbcoder said:
You may be confused by the fact that "G1" is ***NOT THE PRODUCT'S REAL NAME***, but they are MOST DEFINITELY available for ALL carriers with compatible frequencies. *** The one sold as ANDROID DEVELOPER PHONE 1 *** is NOT bootloader or sim locked, or, for that matter, even sold via carriers. Good for EVERY carrier!
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Yes, yes. It's the dream. Sorry, I've read it a million times and I still forget - its a Dream. In the U.S., though, if you walk up to most people and say, "Nice Dream." they're going to be like wtf? I've never even heard of one called an Android Developer Phone One.

What's the HD2 Equiv from android hardware wise?

I'm wanting a phone that's got the power (if not more) than the HD2 had but using the Android OS. I've had two of these phones so far and the mms issue is really, really annoying amongst other things people have already mentioned but I'm not going to do that.
Aesthetically speaking the phone was phenomenal as well as its hardware, software wise it just felt on its face for me.
Anyhow any suggestions for things that are coming out that a tmobile USA customer could use I would appreciate it or something that's sort of identical to the HD2 just in android form.

Closest non HTC I have seen running Android hardware wise, is the Sony Ericsson Xperia X10.
Same Snapdragon 1ghz and similar ram setup. Also very sleek and similar design.
I have one of them too, tbh I do prefer the HD2. winmo 6 isnt as bad as previous versions and the HD2 comes with sense. With a few tweaks its doing far more than my X10.
Anyhow, not sure if its available in the US, but I cant see why not.
Hope this helps,
Sp4wn

uh the evo on sprint ius nearly identical hardware with android...how are you on xda and don't know this?

Evo 4G is pretty much identical to the HD2 and it runs Android with sense(has 8mp camera in the back, front facing camera, and hdmi mini out). It's coming out this summer (June i think), but it's for sprint so you'd have to change carriers.
At this time, you're not going to find anything more powerful than HD2, since all it's components are max of what's out there atm.

tbonezx11 said:
uh the evo on sprint ius nearly identical hardware with android...how are you on xda and don't know this?
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I don't make it a habit of frequenting all the other boards all the time and I'm with tmobile USA so I get even more limited with what phones they have to offer and I'm not a huge fan of spending 500+ for a phone if I can help it..
As for the evo, thank you very much - that sounds like something I would be completely interested in going for.
If the Hd2 ends up getting some updates that make sense stop crashing I'd be all over it.

Nexus S - Disappointment?

Anyone else think that the Nexus S is kind of a disappointment?
There's nothing revolutionary or really exciting about it. It's specs sound like it's just another Galaxy S device. No dual core, no HSDPA+, nada.
Now, to be clear, I'm talking just about the device itself. Not Gingerbread. Gingerbread looks hot. Curious to hear what you folks think about the device.

No sd card slot but has a 16 gig storage. I guessing Google corrected the available memory issue with 2. 3
I think it to early to draw up any conclusions with what we have on hand.
Sent from my HTC Vision using XDA App

It's a Samsung which for me, after my experience with the Vibrant, equals 'never again'.
If anything I do hope that the Nexus S, by extension, will provide some much needed relief to those who are sticking it out with their Vibrants, etc.
Just my take, I'm not a phone buff or geek, I just want my device to work properly, which is why I switched to the G2.

I've had a vibrant. Felt too cheap to me. Sad part it wasn't cheap. Paid 500 for it. The lack of support and gps issue is what turned me away. It was a nice phone. Just not my style. As I'm sure just by looking at the nexsus s, they will have the same issues. But I could be wrong. Maybe google will put a flame under samsungs butt and make them correct their errors in a fast manner.
[G2/HTC Vision]

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It's a Samsung
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That simple little statement is what made me turn my head. I love Google, and I think them working to make a phone with a company means it will be a good phone. I believe Samsung will get more respect from this phone, but Samsung's plastic has always stood out and this phone looks like it has just as much as any other Samsung phone. It has decent specs, nothing groundbreaking by any means, but just as nice as any other smart phone out now.
Remind me, wasn't the N1 the first phone to have a 1GHz processor? At least one of the first? I figured Google's second phone would be VERY top of the line instead of average.

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Remind me, wasn't the N1 the first phone to have a 1GHz processor? At least one of the first? I figured Google's second phone would be VERY top of the line instead of average.
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Yeeeep. It was the very first. Big reason I dumped my Droid for the Nexus One way back when. That and I didn't like Verizon's service.
That's part of the reason I was so disappointed with the specs on the Nexus S. Nothing revolutionary again. Just another Galaxy S.

If I were holding out for the Nexus S, then yes, I would be disappointed. But I wasn't since I'm still in love with my G2. Can't believe Google would let this thing go to T-Mobile USA with those specs. Not dual core, no HSPA+, less ram than the MyTouch, less screen than the HD7, no hdmi out, not even a kickstand? Can a brother get a kickstand? And this is supposed to be the flagship Android phone? Ha, it won't even be the best phone at T-Mobile.

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If I were holding out for the Nexus S, then yes, I would be disappointed. But I wasn't since I'm still in love with my G2. Can't believe Google would let this thing go to T-Mobile USA with those specs. Not dual core, no HSPA+, less ram than the MyTouch, less screen than the HD7, no hdmi out, not even a kickstand? Can a brother get a kickstand? And this is supposed to be the flagship Android phone? Ha, it won't even be the best phone at T-Mobile.
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*golf clap*
+1

I have already heard it reviewed as Nexus 1.5, not 2.0 !

Umm, isn't this is a bit off-topic ?
*runs and hides*

unremarked said:
Nothing revolutionary again. Just another Galaxy S.
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exactly wut i was thinking. oh and wuts your avatar? isnt that the symbol from reboot?

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oh and wuts your avatar? isnt that the symbol from reboot?
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Indeed. Great show. Kids these days don't know what they're missing.

long story short, its a disappointment.

TBH, the only thing I am actually DISAPOINTED with is the lack of an Orion processor... rumor had it that it was delayed because of that issue! What is gonna happen is in 2 months all the tegra 2 devices are gonna start showing up and your "Flagship" device is already sub-par/obsolete

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TBH, the only thing I am actually DISAPOINTED with is the lack of an Orion processor... rumor had it that it was delayed because of that issue! What is gonna happen is in 2 months all the tegra 2 devices are gonna start showing up and your "Flagship" device is already sub-par/obsolete
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just in time for a Nexus 2 ...
new **** happens. there's money to be made beforehand.

Sooo disappointed
First of all, I love my N1 and sorry for the long post but i have to vent.
I bought a Nexus One in February when it came for T-mobile only and then gave it away to my brother in law who had T-Mobile when the AT&T N1 came out and bought that. My contract with AT&T has been up for a couple of months now and i was really hoping for a device (from google) that would be better than the N1 (for future proofing for at least 6 months).
Well this device is better than the N1 but not enough to ditch the N1 and get this. Here are the reasons:
Biggest disappointment: Only a 5 MP camera still? Come on Google? The EVO has an 8MP camera and has been out for months. I know phone cameras really aren't meant to replace traditional digital cameras but my sisters EVO takes pictures that are great (in the correct light) and if i had that i wouldn't even buy a new digital camera.
Second biggest disappointment: Not CDMA. I want to switch to sprint or verizon. If Google/ Samsung comes out with a CDMA version i might overlook the other disappointments and ditch the N1.
Now other reasons why Nexus S is not really that much better than the N1 to warrant another $529.
Processor: I don't know too much about the speed difference in the processors but i'm assuming they will roughly perform the same. However, i think within next couple of months new Android / Non-Android phones will come out with better processors and this will be outdated. I must add though, i haven't really seen any lag on the 1 ghz.
Video: I'm guessing the Nexus S will record 720p video, but so does my N1 (with cyanogen) and so does the EVO and many many other devices. 1080 would have been the next step and another reason i might have upgraded. Not on my top priority list though.
I don't really care that much about that NFC thing. I am curious to try it, but not enough to shell out $529 (i don't want contracts). Once more vendors support this it will become more important but not at this point.
Nexus S will probably be better for 3D gaming as the GPU on N1 supposedly sucks. I'm assuming the gingerbread advantage for 3d gaming will also be applicable to N1 but Nexus S will probably have a better GPU. I don't care about this too much because i don't play much 3d games on phones anyway but other people might weigh this more.

Yes to me its a Flopfor the the simple fact its just a google version of Galaxy S. BUT then again, after my experiance with my behold II, i will NEVER buy a samsung phone again, thats just me though... Besides my G2 is great been a while since i had a phone i was happy with.

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First of all, I love my N1 and sorry for the long post but i have to vent.
I bought a Nexus One in February when it came for T-mobile only and then gave it away to my brother in law who had T-Mobile when the AT&T N1 came out and bought that. My contract with AT&T has been up for a couple of months now and i was really hoping for a device (from google) that would be better than the N1 (for future proofing for at least 6 months).
Well this device is better than the N1 but not enough to ditch the N1 and get this. Here are the reasons:
Biggest disappointment: Only a 5 MP camera still? Come on Google? The EVO has an 8MP camera and has been out for months. I know phone cameras really aren't meant to replace traditional digital cameras but my sisters EVO takes pictures that are great (in the correct light) and if i had that i wouldn't even buy a new digital camera.
Second biggest disappointment: Not CDMA. I want to switch to sprint or verizon. If Google/ Samsung comes out with a CDMA version i might overlook the other disappointments and ditch the N1.
Now other reasons why Nexus S is not really that much better than the N1 to warrant another $529.
Processor: I don't know too much about the speed difference in the processors but i'm assuming they will roughly perform the same. However, i think within next couple of months new Android / Non-Android phones will come out with better processors and this will be outdated. I must add though, i haven't really seen any lag on the 1 ghz.
Video: I'm guessing the Nexus S will record 720p video, but so does my N1 (with cyanogen) and so does the EVO and many many other devices. 1080 would have been the next step and another reason i might have upgraded. Not on my top priority list though.
I don't really care that much about that NFC thing. I am curious to try it, but not enough to shell out $529 (i don't want contracts). Once more vendors support this it will become more important but not at this point.
Nexus S will probably be better for 3D gaming as the GPU on N1 supposedly sucks. I'm assuming the gingerbread advantage for 3d gaming will also be applicable to N1 but Nexus S will probably have a better GPU. I don't care about this too much because i don't play much 3d games on phones anyway but other people might weigh this more.
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Agreed. I'll be sticking with my overclocked G2 until we see 1.5ghz Dual Core chips with all of the bells and whistles these companies are cooking up.

CDMA blows

Anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is just the Vibrant with updated radio and FFC?

Hey guys, does anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is the exact same hardware as the Vibrant but with an updated Radio software to enable HSPA+ and FFC considering the spot was left open for the FFC in current Vibrants?
If this is the case then this will be awesome. A simple rom flash and FFC (without banding) and HSPA+ working on all Vibrants.

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Hey guys, does anyone think that the Vibrant 4g is the exact same hardware as the Vibrant but with an updated Radio software to enable HSPA+ and FFC considering the spot was left open for the FFC in current Vibrants?
If this is the case then this will be awesome. A simple rom flash and FFC (without banding) and HSPA+ working on all Vibrants.
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Yes. Now the question is, will we be able to get the HSPA+ antenna and the Vibrant 4G FFC from http://globaldirectparts.com/ and just flash the ROM over?

I doubt the radio, but I'm giddy like a schoolgirl if the FFC works. Not like I'll really use it, but itl be fun to add.
on second thought.... it may even be the same radio, just locked out at first to give the + more "features". or maybe slight design/performance issues they corrected for the "+".

Highly doubt it - an HSPA+ 21 radio in the new Vibrant means that there's a different chipset embedded - you can't simply add 14Mbps to the radio cap from strictly a software standpoint.

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Highly doubt it - an HSPA+ 21 radio in the new Vibrant means that there's a different chipset embedded - you can't simply add 14Mbps to the radio cap from strictly a software standpoint.
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I agree with him.
I've disassembled and inspected my vibrant just for the curiousity of it, and i compared majority of the parts to the I9000, and some are totally different specs, but definetly compatible.
With that said, i'm not surprised if they did change the chipset/radio to get the so called, "HSPA+" speed.
Sent from the helm of the Vibrant Galaxy!

Gps hardware changed also probably.
My vote goes to different hardware, and I can almost certainly bet the GPS hardware will be changed too.

Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!

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Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Don't know that it's been officially announced but 2/23 is the rumor I keep seeing.

No, what makes you think that? "This Changes Everything. Again."
-Steve Jobs

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Does anyone know when the Vibrant 4g will be released? Right now, I am contemplating the T-Mo G2; but would really be interested in the Vibrant 4g!
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Did you learn nothing from people's experience with the Vibrant?
It took 3 months for Samsung to release a software fix that didn't fix most of the disfunctional GPSs. A month or so later they release a patch that finally fixed them, except for the ones with a hardware problem. It took them 6 months to release Froyo, long after Gingerbread is old news. And that was probably the result, at least in part, of the #NeverAgain campaign.
And I'm glad that Eugene is doing something with the Behold, because Samsung sure couldn't care less. But even a good dev like Eugene can't fix the hardware issues that plague the Behold.
So if you want to get fleeced by a company that wants your money but doesn't want to give you support after they have your money, feel free to deal with Samsung.
Personally, I'd get the G2. HTC, while not perfect, has shown a LOT more inclination to comply with the spirit of the Apache license and the OHSA charter.
And while, as someone commented, you may not care if Samsung ever updates your TV or not, there are other options out there with just as high a contrast ratio and from companies that has shown that they are willing to support their customers in the past (LG and ViewSonic).
Frankly, I'm pretty pissed off at the mod who locked the "Do you still hate Samsung?" thread, categorizing it as "whining". For consumer activism to be effective, people must remember. Samsung and their ilk count on people forgetting that they are a bunch of ripoff artists.
My wife has a G2, it's a very fine phone. My advice is to get it. I wish I had waited for a G2 rather than buying a Vibrant at launch.

Whether or not the old Vibrant can do HSPA+ depends on the chips inside the phone.
Its not uncommon for two tiers of products (like computer processors) to ship with the same hardware, but different settings/firmware to enable or lock out certain features.
Keeps manufacturing costs down to do it that way because you can use the same assembly line and parts for all of your products.

Col.Kernel said:
Did you learn nothing from people's experience with the Vibrant?
I've had a wonderful time with my vibrant and thanks to Samsung and the devs on this site, I have had froyo for months now.
Although there has been no "official" froyo update until now it's incorrect to say Samsung has been doing nothing for the Vibrant. It seems to me they have been working towards a release pretty consistantly. Since November there has been at least 8 leaked builds of froyo that Samsung has put together.
JK2, JK6, JL1, JL4, JL5 KA5, KA6, KA7. That's a lot of work.
I'm luckily one who has always had a working GPS so I haven't had to deal with that problem but I still test every modem to see which one I like best. I mixed and matched so many roms, kernels, modems, it's been a blast.
Using apps like launcher pro, desktop visualizer, widgetlocker I've been able to make my phone unique to me.
I wouldn't know what to do with a stock ota release.
And talking about Gingerbread, how many other phones have it now?
With the Nexus S so close to the Vibrant and such a good group of devs working on the Vibrant, I'd wager we get a working Gingerbread rom before most other phones out there.
P.S. I'm an old fart, have been a software project manager for decades, I live my life in the BETA zone.
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If they wanted to really make it a killer device and not just the most infinitesimal incremental upgrade to the Vibrant, they would start with 2 things: 1) Up the RAM to 1 GB (maybe 768 MB) as Android is a RAM hog, well really Java is a RAM hog. 2) Use higher bin'd CPUs and include a "turbo" throttle mode to go to 1.2~1.3 GHz for short bursts (since most of us can and more with SetCPU and a O/C kernel).
I'd love to see a version with a slide out keyboard similar to the G2 or TP2 and bigger battery. A truly brilliant engineer would make a keyboard/extended battery a snap on add-in module that replaced the back cover and existing battery without a ton of extra bulk (The camera is offset enough to just leave an slot at one end of the slide out tray). Make it an option package under $50-70 and I would be in line to toss in some extra cash.
Another odd niggle of the Vibrant is the lack of hardware camera button. I am willing to bet they took it out because of complaints regarding previous hardware camera button implementations. All the Behold/Instinct/Solstice/Highlight/etc phones the camera button a) stuck out further than all other buttons b) if held for a few seconds would break any screen lock and start taking pictures while in your pocket.