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Sony Ericsson X10

http://www.letsgomobile.org/en/5545/sony-ericsson-x10/
This particularly caught my eye:
The intelligent face recognition features recognise up to five faces in any picture, automatically connecting them with your social phone book and all other related communications with that person.
That sounds impressive.

The phone looks fairly impressive, however I don't believe it can stand up again other available Android phones current and possible future ones. One big issue I have with some new smartphones is that they are so orientated around this whole facebook etc social networking lark which is so unimportant to me.

who cares. its android!
once u gain root access u can do pretty much whatever you want with it.
i personaly realy like it. its also big enuff to bage a onscreenkeyboard vaiable.

I like it too.
As for keyboard .. I like Xperia because it's really cool to send messages. But I hate it too. It's bulky, and the keyboard is a bit loose, it just don't feel like well built. With large display and capacitive touchscreen, I would try it.
I wonder if SE will support Android 2.0. It actually might be out before Rachael. And it has lots of new cool features.

achmed20 said:
who cares. its android!
once u gain root access u can do pretty much whatever you want with it.
i personaly realy like it. its also big enuff to bage a onscreenkeyboard vaiable.
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True...Hardware wise seems good. 4 inch OLED screen would sell it to me tbh not the fact its android.

that thing is huge! i will wait for something smaller. i know 4-inch screen is great, the problem is it makes the whole thing big.

Dr.Sid said:
I like it too.
As for keyboard .. I like Xperia because it's really cool to send messages. But I hate it too. It's bulky, and the keyboard is a bit loose, it just don't feel like well built. With large display and capacitive touchscreen, I would try it.
I wonder if SE will support Android 2.0. It actually might be out before Rachael. And it has lots of new cool features.
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Android 2.0 is already out (only device to use it so far is the Motorola Droid) and the HTC Hero I hear is getting an upgrade.

is i have read on a website, its going to be android 1.6 which sucks big time.
but its not released yet so maybe its getting 2.0. even if not, if the kernel stays the same, installing 2.0 on it shouldnt be to hard.
as for the screensize ... true that, its realy big. but on the other hand i hate the display of the X1 for beeing that small. sometime ****ting a icon is realy hard. x10 should have this problem
PS: video here!!! its still lags but regarding to atester this is cause the kernel wasnt originaly compiled for the snapdragon and thats why its lagging.

It'd better come with 2.0, given that it'll only be out in Q1 2010, which would make it so far behind the Droid.

ipporek said:
It'd better come with 2.0, given that it'll only be out in Q1 2010, which would make it so far behind the Droid.
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though it may not come out with 2.0, i'm sure an update will come soon afterwards. They're trying to fully optimize their UI on the 1.6 Donut, so that they can release it when they've specified.
I'm getting this instead of the X2

zannyboy said:
The phone looks fairly impressive, however I don't believe it can stand up again other available Android phones current and possible future ones. One big issue I have with some new smartphones is that they are so orientated around this whole facebook etc social networking lark which is so unimportant to me.
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You're not making any sense. You're saying you don't believe it will stand up again "other available Android phones current" (right, because X10 isn't even out yet but already beats ANY current phone - ouch!) "and possible future ones" (yeah, guess what: at some point in the future there will be a better phone - you're a ****in' genius!) because...
...because you don't like "social networking lark"...?
Or just WTF are you trying to say, seriously?

gundamboy said:
though it may not come out with 2.0, i'm sure an update will come soon afterwards. They're trying to fully optimize their UI on the 1.6 Donut, so that they can release it when they've specified.
I'm getting this instead of the X2
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Oh, you mean exactly like the X1 people who cannot get an offficial WinMo 6.5 upgrade?

szlevi said:
You're not making any sense. You're saying you don't believe it will stand up again "other available Android phones current" (right, because X10 isn't even out yet but already beats ANY current phone - ouch!) "and possible future ones" (yeah, guess what: at some point in the future there will be a better phone - you're a ****in' genius!) because...
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Or maybe he's trying to say that the X10 might beat any current phone now, but by the time it's released (given that it's still months away), there'd be better phones in the market already.

gundamboy said:
though it may not come out with 2.0, i'm sure an update will come soon afterwards. They're trying to fully optimize their UI on the 1.6 Donut, so that they can release it when they've specified.
I'm getting this instead of the X2
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Never going to get fixed, it is slow and will stay slow.

szlevi said:
You're not making any sense. You're saying you don't believe it will stand up again "other available Android phones current" (right, because X10 isn't even out yet but already beats ANY current phone - ouch!) "and possible future ones" (yeah, guess what: at some point in the future there will be a better phone - you're a ****in' genius!) because...
...because you don't like "social networking lark"...?
Or just WTF are you trying to say, seriously?
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...I think I love you...

drwho? said:
Never going to get fixed, it is slow and will stay slow.
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if you don't want it, don't hate it.
It's not like you're going to spend any money on it anyways.

steve-rsa said:
Oh, you mean exactly like the X1 people who cannot get an offficial WinMo 6.5 upgrade?
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Sure, whatever floats your boat.

X10 looks fairly impressive and beats all existing Androids
with UI, camera and of course - design,
since all other ones look like Frankenstein's sons.
But I don't really want Android = completely Google dependend,
and of course X10 is another device without any proper hardware keyb. and navigation..

Fact that WM is completely Microsoft dependent does not bother you ?
Android is in fact open and based on linux. It's quite possible that it would live on even if google dropped it.

X10 was supposed to have 32 GiB integrated storage, 4" OLED display and to be running Android Eclair. What we're getting is TFT screen, 1 GiB of storage, pathetic 256 MiB of RAM and Android Donut. As usual great job, SE.
I'd rather go for Motorola Milestone or will simply wait for the Q8250 HTC Android device.

disadvantages of x10 having only 384MB ram?

wht r da disadvantages of x10 having only 384MB ram?
if u compare to htc and samsung galaxy S..da ram in x10 is less. will it affect anything in performance or any limit in receiving updates?
sorry for asking a dumb Q but im curious to know..

vickysud said:
wht r da disadvantages of x10 having only 384MB ram?
if u compare to htc and samsung galaxy S..da ram in x10 is less. will it affect anything in performance or any limit in receiving updates?
sorry for asking a dumb Q but im curious to know..
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there is always ram reserved for the OS. so the performance shouldnt be slower. just see DROD motorolla. its 256 and its super fast.
also. always use programs like task managers, it free rams for you. as soon as you leave an application, it closes and free ram
besides. how does it everyone say its 384 ? when i downloaded programs from the market place on my x10. it told me the free ram is just a lil above 256 " 270 was it ? " or something like that.

from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.

metcard said:
from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.
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it probably make sense but thats weird. the 1.6 can only access 256....... f$$k you sony seriously :/ . what a waste. super device with amazing colors but we can only get 65k out of it only. and now out of 380 ram we can only get 256....

Do you really need to swear ?

metcard said:
from my understanding, the x10 has 384mb of ram. however, android 1.6 can only access about 256mb of ram.
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That is an interesting point. Sounds logical, but may I ask where you came across this little nugget of information?
Also, obviously like everyone else, I want more, more, and more. But I would really like to start on the X10 with the Android 2.3. As for the speed, sure I can see it, but how much of the slight lags here and there wouldn't be improved with a better OS version? Probably quite a few. Though I really do NOT understand how SE can propose an update so far down the line and than not provide their loyal customers with the latest version. I find having to wait nearly a year for the 2.2 a bit insulting. Than to not even offer more open and honest communications with x10 owners about OS revisions, plus patching it up like a mummy to make current owners feel even more like they have to buy the next model, well, doesn't anyone at SE think that they might be taking their greed a bit too far and, their customer base a bit for granted?
I've purchased the P900a, P910i, and the X1. I never waited before, and have always bought the phone right out of the gate. I understand that SE always release their phones with slight issues, but this is getting insulting. I have been using the X10 for a couple of weeks now. I think the world of this phone, but it should not have even been released with the 1.6. Even if that means waiting, that is what makes for good customer service. Now I have not yet decided to purchase the X10, even though my provider will give it too me for free. In fact, I have decided to wait from now on before I buy any SE. I am just a bit tired of being taken for granted. The P900 to the P910 left a slight bad taste in my mouth. I had to problem solve the X1 on my own, voiding my warranty, and auto updates. Now here SE are again pulling the same s**t they have on every other flag ship model. Do they really think their new update methods and promises of continued support fix the real issues?
So back to the question. Speed, this phone and this company have much bigger issues than speed.
This is a message to any SE reps that may actually follow what their customers are saying. I am going to buy the next SE flag ship device as long as it has 2.3. and doesn't have a bunch of problems. But I am telling you right now the next time you release a device that is not ready, hoping to get even more customers midterm by offering the same phone with more, I am done. Reward those that wait, and punishing those of us who have supported you. Keep it up and I am gone!

It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by giving us more than the shipping product could use because they planned to update it.
As we all know, the UXP update is coming with 2.1 (for now) which will take advantage of the extra memory in addition to taking advantage of the 16 million color screen. Also, the new OS is faster and has a lower memory footprint so we should still have a great performing device.
Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
EDIT: If you check out the Android 2.2 SDK documentation, it shows they added support for > 256MB. So, it looks like not even 2.1 has it unless companies are patching the kernel directly.

gr00vy0ne said:
Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
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newer models.. u mean newer Ver of X10 ? or phones like nexus/desire ?
as for x10 being really 384 vs 512, its no big deal really. no one will notice the difference.
much like how Desire has more ram than nexus

gr00vy0ne said:
It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by giving us more than the shipping product could use because they planned to update it.
As we all know, the UXP update is coming with 2.1 (for now) which will take advantage of the extra memory in addition to taking advantage of the 16 million color screen. Also, the new OS is faster and has a lower memory footprint so we should still have a great performing device.
Newer high-end models coming out now have 512MB of memory which is only 33% more.
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512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
Android 2.1 and 2.2 are already so yesterday, what a joke that they are even considering updating to either. I doubt very seriously the X10 will get the 2.3 or higher version before the next flag ship device is released. Other wise what will they have to sell next year? It is a timing game designed to make more money. And, I truly believe that SE would be so much more successful if they stopped this business practice.

fm1776 said:
512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
Android 2.1 and 2.2 are already so yesterday, what a joke that they are even considering updating to either. I doubt very seriously the X10 will get the 2.3 or higher version before the next flag ship device is released. Other wise what will they have to sell next year? It is a timing game designed to make more money. And, I truly believe that SE would be so much more successful if they stopped this business practice.
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yes but not even 2.2 takes the fall ram usage of the device :/

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
yes but not even 2.2 takes the fall ram usage of the device :/
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I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.

fm1776 said:
I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.
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man.. we are fighting to get 2.2 and ur thinking of 2.3 which probably didnt start development yet ?
lol @ this. i guess u will never buy a phone.

It really depends on how you look at it.
Android OS 1.6 is the limiting factor for the 256MB limit. So, Sony Ericsson actually did us a favor by g
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512mb sounds delicious! "only 33% more" is massive. Imagine if airplanes traveled 33% faster, what that would do to air travel.
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In this comparing it would more correct let the airplane carry 33% more passengers rather then making it faster.
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In this comparing it would more correct let the airplane carry 33% more passengers rather then making it faster.
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or maybe better making air travel 33% cheaper

fm1776 said:
I am not as concerned about the 512mb as I am about the 2.3. What is the point of having the latest and great hardware if it is being limited by the software. And, waiting nearly a year for a software revision that will still be behind other devices with lesser hardware make you wonder what is going on. And, since SE is being so tight lipped about the whole thing just adds insult to injury.
The 2.3 is a massive improvement from earlier releases. So right now who really cares if it gets updated to 2.1 ro 2.2. Both are a complete waste of time for those of us justifying buying any manufacturers flag ship devices. If this device does not get the 2.3 or better I would not waste my money on it.
The question is will I wait until November to find out that it wont be the 2.3 or do I just buy HTC or something else now? Do I take a lesser device that is at least being optimized to it's potential with the latest software? Based on SE's past models I think we can all assume that November will not be the 2.3
This is not the modus operandi of SE.
It is almost like SE is selling their devices spec sheet, and who cares about the rest. SE might be the only company on earth where the limits on their devices are not hardware related, but are software related. What a stupid business model.
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Go buy an HTC PLEASE!

bimmerboii said:
or maybe better making air travel 33% cheaper
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That sounds good too

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
man.. we are fighting to get 2.2 and ur thinking of 2.3 which probably didnt start development yet ?
lol @ this. i guess u will never buy a phone.
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Sure I will. One with 2.3

a question for everyone thinking about the version numbers......
what company has upgraded their OS right after google has released it??????
even motorola with vanilla OS phones(droid and milestone) couldnt do it till many months....
sure SE is little lagging but nothing to blame SE here .... thats how its working everywhere......

By the way the 2.3 is well into the development phase. It is scheduled to be released in Q4 which is exactly the same time the X10 is scheduled to be updated. How many phones do you think will carry the new 2.3 before years end?
A half of a year more is not that long. I will wait and see what the market has to offer come than. I only get one free phone per year and I wouldn't want to waste it on a device that is offering last years software.

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Well it terms of moving bits wouldn't moving 33% more be the same as 33% faster?

Sony Ericsson bats bravely for Android 1.6

It is not every day that a cellphone manufacturer sets out its stall to defend an older operating system. Well, that is exactly what Sony Ericsson did at a press briefing (or discussion, as they preferred to call it) in Delhi yesterday as it tried to explain to selected members of the press why Android 1.6 was not too far behind Android 2.1 and even 2.2. The reason for this faith in the older version of Android is simple – Sony Ericsson has no fewer than three devices (the Xperia X10, the X10 mini and the X10 mini pro) running on the platform.
Sony Ericsson’s argument was that while there was no doubting that the devices ran on an older version of Android, the company had company had done more than enough to include features in its UI (called UIX) to make it comparable with newer versions of the OS. Features like better camera controls, Timescape, Mediascape and improved media players, claimed the company brought the X10 range of devices very close to anything that Android 2.1 devices could deliver. With the exception of multi-touch, as one gentleman from the company added. What’s more, while a major update to the X10 would take it up to Android 2.1 later this year, there would also be a number of smaller tweaks that would continue improving the user experience (such as allowing them to use Timescape without going to the device’s browser, and improvements to the browser itself) on the device, beginning with an update coming in a couple of weeks.
For all the company’s claims, however, it was difficult not to feel a tinge of regret that all the hard work put into the interface layer had not gone into Android 2.1, which all said and done, is a few streets ahead of 1.6 in terms of appearance and performance. Especially when one considers the fact that the X10 was rolled out well after (almost four months after) the Motorola Droid/Milestone which was already running Android 2.0 (later updated to 2.1). Yes, there is no doubting that Sony Ericsson has done a lot with Android 1.6, more perhaps than any cellphone manufacturer, but there is also no doubting the fact that its decision to choose 1.6 rather than a newer version of Android on one of the most powerful configurations seen on a smartphone was more than a little befuddling. The company executives can rail on about the fact that “user experience is more important than the version of the OS” (yes, one of them actually said that) and the fact that the “X10 performs as well if not better than any device running Android 2.1, with the exception of multi-touch” (yes, that was said too), but these claims are undermined by the fact that a person who pays a premium price for a handset expects it to be running the latest software in town. And heck, if 1.6 was SO hot, why on earth is Sony Ericsson itself working on an update to 2.1?
It was a brave innings by Sony Ericsson for Android 1.6, but alas, it was in a losing cause. There is no doubt that the X10 is one of the best Android 1.6 devices in town, but it would have perhaps been the best smartphone in the world had it run 2.1. And by the time it does get down to running 2.1, the Android world would have perhaps moved on to 2.2 and beyond. Time and updates wait for no one in the tech world, not even Sony Ericsson.
This happened recently in india,Sony Ericsson organised a Round Table Android Meet where they were to discuss about there Android commitment.
Sony Ericsson India also said that , they are Committed to Providing Updates to Xperia X10 throughout it’s Lifecylce.
here is da link http://onlygizmos.com/sony-ericsson-bats-bravely-for-android-1-6/2010/06/

there would also be a number of smaller tweaks that would continue improving the user experience (such as allowing them to use Timescape without going to the device’s browser, and improvements to the browser itself) on the device, beginning with an update coming in a couple of weeks.
this really looks promising..i guess SE r really improving da overall UI..doing everything inside timescape looks very promising indeed...i hope dey roll da update soon

Look what froyo adds to the table for android. 2.1 update might be big for SE but the standard by then will be 2.2. Again with the catch up game.
Not a good sign at all from SE.
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Like da way dey did with 1.6 including some features of 2.1. i feel SE will include some features of 2.2 in 2.1 update

Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!

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Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Exactly!
How about getting the battery life to what was promised at time of sale? When to do we hear SE talk about this issue. And, since there is never any mention of what the planned life cycle is, it is like promising nothing! Political BS.
And, I would like to correct one other point someone mentioned. By the time the X10 gets 2.1, the standard will be 2.3 (not 2.2), and there is a massive difference.
And, how about the fact the flash 10.1 will only be compatible with 2.2 or higher?

Still hoping for 2.2 they should skip 2.1
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leobg said:
Judging from past exeprience (X1), I doubt X10 will ever see Froyo (unless rooted of course)... We'll be lucky if we get 2.1 this year, knowing SE software upgrade practices I won't be surprised if 2.1 gets pushed for Q1 then Q2... 2011
And before we know - ups "the lifespan" of the device will end "Come and by our new X100 (or whatever)". Welcome to the world of Sony Ericsson!
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Yeah, because HTC didn't just abandon the one year old HTC Magic, right?
Perspective people! It's not just SE... every company out there does this, and to think that some other company is going to be any better is deluding yourself.

Htc did a great job on the magic,with the sense ui ,i think they did a great job if you think of the hardware limitation this unit have.

i doubt X10 will sell much in India anyway.....the android platform hasnt taken over the apple market share yet.
much youngsters are still drawn to iphone 3gs.
anyway...i am waiting for updates.
main issues: Low in-call volume, poor battery life, limited functionality of timescape.

Yeah I had wanted to go to that round table conference. Take a bat and give some o the Sony execs a piece o my mind. How could the dev and execs of SE be.ok with releasing their flagship phone with an outdated OS. It's ridiculous! It's like putting ur ferrari in a race to be driven by your grandmother.
Man I hope root is achieved. I kinda like the stuff that SE has.done to make the phone different from the others. But I like better call.volume, flash support, better battery life, more RAM, auto flash, root requiring apps, etc more. So its going to be the vanilla froyo ftw for me.
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ashman84 said:
Yeah I had wanted to go to that round table conference. Take a bat and give some o the Sony execs a piece o my mind. How could the dev and execs of SE be.ok with releasing their flagship phone with an outdated OS. It's ridiculous! It's like putting ur ferrari in a race to be driven by your grandmother.
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You're so cute!
Hey, look at me, I'm a major international corporation! I have a product for sale! It has a slightly out of date operating system! Please don't buy our product! It's terrible that we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! We are a terrible company!
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Now, do you think Sony Ericsson is really going to come out and tell you "Yes, our phone sucks don't buy it"? Of course they're going to defend their choices, if they don't then it's called a marketing failure. No one's going to tell you their product sucks and still expect people to buy it.

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You're so cute!
Hey, look at me, I'm a major international corporation! I have a product for sale! It has a slightly out of date operating system! Please don't buy our product! It's terrible that we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! We are a terrible company!
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Now, do you think Sony Ericsson is really going to come out and tell you "Yes, our phone sucks don't buy it"? Of course they're going to defend their choices, if they don't then it's called a marketing failure. No one's going to tell you their product sucks and still expect people to buy it.
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First off, thanks for compliment. I hope ur a 22 year old, 5 8" smoking hot woman who didnt go dancing with her girlfriends tonight and instead sat her a** down in front of a computer to randomly comment on xda.
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
a grandmom on steriods is still a grandmom on steroids.

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First off, thanks for compliment. I hope ur a 22 year old, 5 8" smoking hot woman who didnt go dancing with her girlfriends tonight and instead sat her a** down in front of a computer to randomly comment on xda.
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
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First of all, you said you wanted to take a baseball bat to the Sony execs, so yes, you are taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. A pretty big, violent dig.
Second, I'm not just talking crap. Sony added a lot of stuff to 1.6 that didn't exist before, like the Camera app, Mediascape, and the custom dialer.
Third, and this is the biggest point of all, simply put, the phone was never, ever, ever, ever, ever advertised as having anything at all other than Android OS version 1.6. You can cry all you want about this point, but, if you bought this phone, you knew it coming in. If there's something you wanted that was 2.1 specific, you should have went for a phone that had 2.1 preinstalled. It was known for months that the phone would release with 1.6.
It's this last point that really just boggles my mind. I don't understand people who buy something, knowing 100% of it's capabilities, then ***** when it doesn't do something it wasn't advertised as being able to do. It's like buying a Toyota Prius, knowing it's a Toyota Prius, then complaining after you buy it that it doesn't perform like a Ferrari. If you wanted something that performed like a Ferrari, you should have bought the Ferrari.
The phone can be "better." Anything can be "better", but for what was advertised, it's as good as it was made out to be.
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1.6 is only "slightly" outdated. It was released September 16, 2009. In the time between then and now, only one update has been officially released. At the release of the phone, the 1.6 was only about 7 months old. It's not Sony's fault that Google pushes out new updates faster than manufacturers can handle them.

ashman84 said:
secondly, SE has historically always been flaky with providing upgrades for their phones. Although they say that they will support the x10, its almost a given that they wont stick to their timelines. Its been the case with every phone they've released.
thirdly, what are the functionalities that they've included in 1.6 that you speak of??? To have an OS that cannot support 16M colors when the hardware can? TO have an OS that cannot support more RAM than 256MB? To not have flash support for god knows how long considering we're only getting 2.1 in Q4 and we need 2.2 for flash support? To be left behind in Android market cause all new apps will be for 2.1 or 2.2? To not have auto flash on the camera which is supposedly a limitation of 1.6?
And lastly, I wasn't taking a dig at the marketers of the phone. its their job to sell the phone and from what I can gather, they seem to be doing a good job. What my peeve was about is that at the design and execution stage the devs and execs at SE should have made a conscious effort to put the best in their best phone. I dont care if the x10 had a marketing failure. Its specs are good enough for anyone to figure out the phone's brilliant. There was a strategy planning and execution failure for the x10 at SE and that's just not done when your company is worth 6.7 billion (at last count). It should've had 2.1 right from the get go considering other phones released before the x10 had 2.1 as stock.
So please, dont go running your mouth off if you dont know facts. Anyone who can see what the x10 is capable of will realize that its the OS thats keeping this phone back. I love the x series of SE. I've had them all. I just want my phone to be the best it can be, which it isn't right now.
and on side notes:
A) Android 1.6 isn't a SLIGHTLY outdated OS. Its outdated period. Especially since 2.2 is out and 2.3 at the end of the year.
B) "we included most of the functionality from the newer OS in our build of the older OS! "
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idiots will always be idiots, people like you would always complain and not think.
1) X10 was announced a month+ after Android 1.6 was released, 2.1 was released in january, X10 having the hardware better than the OS given shows that it's having the possibilities of having updates in the future.
Though they could have just scraped 1.6 and go for 2.1, but they wouldn't be able to keep what they promised for the consumers, namely the release date of X10, a near-somewhat stable version of UX adapted for 2.1 (tho it was still unstable for 1.6 but later on improved in minor updates) as well as timescape and mediascape, these might not be important to you but if they're not you might have gone for HTC instead (which makes me wonder why on earth you'd go for X10 if not for their unique UX and apps).
2) As big as a company can get, they wouldn't be able to have some of their resources to work only for constantly updating X10 for every new version of Android OS released by Google (1.6 - september, 2.1 - january, 2.2 - may) as SE has other phones to work on as well (for new, old, unannounced products etc)
before you go on talking about HTC manages to pull that off, answer me this, how many android phones were announced/released by HTC from early 2010 until now? at the rate they're in, do you think they'll support the old phones constantly with updates? I bet they'll keep on releasing android smartphones with the latest firmware and leave the old products to dry after an update or 2. SE on the other hand told us that they're trying to have X10 to have a long life-cycle (as late as the update may be)
as for your sidenote
A) 1.6 IS slightly outdated, it's been out since september 2009 and as I said, Android OS seems to have a life-expectancy of 4-5 months, majority of Android phones would be outdated every 4-5 months as well following your logic.

How about the Droid getting 2.2 today.

Sony ericsson likes the update game

we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game

ellokomen said:
we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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If they are updating the OS frequently it only shows how they care for their device and want it to be better in my opinion.
Why does it bother you if they are working on an update?
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Versus the non-update game SE typically does?
I'm fine with them improving our phones. Bring it on SE!

Btw there isn't an update in December....that was pushed to "early 2011" and my guess is that multitouch will be included in that update

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that was pushed to "early 2011"
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I think the update comming out to SEUS 31/03-11 (The day before the 4. Quarter)

Maybe Sony Ericsson dont have lots os programmers, and they are not good enough to do the things before the others, the Android 1.6 are ver good costumized by SE, but there are things that needs to be programmed, like:
- Multitouch (driver)
- 16M colors (driver)
- Audio (actual driver is very bad)
- Android 2.2 (costumize and optimize to X10)

I would rather say that they have very good cryptographic team, because that is from what I can see, the best they have on their hardware.

The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there

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The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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Cool! Its been a while since we've heard from you
Any idea what the other features are? (*hint* - froyo ? )

Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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Tjotte said:
I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".

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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.

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Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?

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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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There's a lot of hate for SE, but as long as they try to improve the SE experience for those with SE phones, I'm happy. Could they be doing better? Just enabling MT for the X10 is so much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe it's because I had a Nokia as my last phone that I'm happy with any substantial improvement in the OS, haha.
I forgot where I read it, but the turnaround time from new OS to handset is roughly 4 months (it used to be nearly 12 months). Froyo (2.2) came out in May and it's only been in the last couple months where handsets have been getting 2.2. The exception is the N1, but then again, that was sold as a phone for enthusiasts (and pretty much what they're using to test it on). When Gingerbread (2.3) comes out, you can expect at least another 4 months before it gets pushed OTA (besides the N1 and the NS). As they learn Android, I'm sure they'll be faster in issuing updates. Motorola was (and sometimes is) pretty slow in pushing updates for their phones but now they're cranking it out.
In regards to multi-touch... Did they ever say resistive? They were up front when they said it wasn't going to have MT. Yeah, but I agree they should have had it on the X10 in the first place. The N1 didn't have MT at first and they were quick to add it. Nexus One's MT is the same as the future X10 MT. They both are designed for pinch to zoom applications, its a limitation found in the hardware. Games will work but it will have the same multi-touch limitations as the N1. And of course - phones that have just come out have better multitouch... they're newer phones based on newer chipsets which use newer technologies.

I dont get the big idea about MT, its not a big thing, hardly use it on my wildfire.
In regards to the x10 launched with 1.6 for me it was running better than any other device with 2.1 on there. Touch wood but ive never had any problems apart from the in ear volume. So what if the value has dropped. Its the sentimental value that counts.
I praise the devs for their hardwork. Also SE...however i will say Rikard and SE need to get off their fat arses and stop delaying everything.
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rvictorg said:
Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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i think ur taking it too far man...personally i think 1.6 was pretty good and after i updated to 2.1 i was very pleased. the updating was easy and i easily restored my contacts using the default backup and restore app
the battery life on the x10 is incredible, consitently get about 2 full days of regular usage(surfing net before classes, a little talking, some txting and listening to 1-2 hrs of music everyday). while my friend with the iphone 4 complains about terrible battery and dropped calls(he has a case too!)
the phone looks very nice and feels solid, the software isn't "buggy" i haven't had any problems with it at all(no root or anything btw). and the 2.1 version is soo smooth and looks very nice compared to say a stock android 2.1. people complain about mediascape and timescape, but personally i love them timescape doesn't use too much cpu if u disable the services (like txt, email, fb, etc) and mediascape is miles ahead of android in media playing ability.
and just to remind you, those engineers are working very hard, remember they have to develop the software for the phone from scratch and optimize every bit of it, and yes the developers here do a lot of work, but they just have to fix what the engineers messed up or modify some files, and with thousands of lines of code, its easy to mess up somewhere. im a chemical engineering major right now, and i dont know anything about computers, but in general engineers are very bright people and probably know what they are doing better than what we do.

though im not a se fanboy (this is my first se product and might be my last) some people need to tone it down. stop ranting against se like theyre the antichrist. this is my first android phone so i was still amazed with my phone even with 1.6. (android 1.6 is waaaaay better than ios 3.0) and after flashing to 2.1 my phone is enough to make my friends agree that my x10 is better than one of our friend's iphone 4 (i wouldnt be so sure of that but when they see me multitasking with widgets, live wallpaper, H connection what evr the hell that is, and removeable parts like batteries, memory, sim, etc. its hard to disagree) i will admit the x10 is nerfed by se but if you wanted a phone that focused more on android rather than custom software you should have done your research. i knew from the begining that my phone was an "android" but with se's "timescape and mediascape" ontop of "1.6" which is outdated. i also read that mt wasnt available and most likely wouldnt be. these are the things that piss people off yet these are the things you always see in online reviews, the research isnt hard. i knew what i was reading before i even knew what the terms fully meant. luckily we have devs to help fix these problems, but as i said earlier once i can upgrade i doubt ill get a se phone again (unless that psphone turns out to be real and stable, that thing looks sweet)
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one think we should thank to the updates is that the price of the device that had dropped very down, maybe getting up right now.
so we have:
android 2.1,
1ghz,
4 inches
and
MT coming soon.
Try to catch a phone with those features with less than 360 bucks on ebay, only the X10.
I was thinking to getting the droid 2 GSM when it comes out, but now I really like my phone with those new things.
And the upcoming android 2.2 will be very welcome among us
SE works hard to make their devices with a pleasant experience, just like apple do with their iphones that have the best out-of-the-box experience among smartphone. even if Sony doesn't have the best state of the art technology on the world of android, we cannot deny that the UI has been carefully finished.
and btw, the x10 with 2.1 is among the best battery life GSM android phones right now, just ask someone who owns a Evo 4G about battery life and you will get it
Note: the H up there means HSDPA, which is commonly known as 3.5G for internet access, sometimes it will go to 3G again because of low signal or very congested network

I love the update game and hope it continues since it feels like I have a new phone every time a big update comes out. I find it incredible that people complain about SE keeping the promise they made to support the phone for 2 years.

Xperia S from an x10 user's perspective

A week ago, I passed on to the XS from my good ol' x10 and think that opinionating would be useful for some of you that are in the decision process. Beware, this will be a long one:
Design: Looks is great. Holds firmly in the hand. Transparent bar is very distinguished. Capacitive dots might rarely be missed or rarely unresponsive though, but very rarely after you get used to. Phone seems a bit big in the beginning but you get used to that after a few days and start to enjoy the bigger screen and higher ppi. However, I don't think I would buy a phone that even is two millimeters longer.
Media: Screen and videos are gorgous and even 30% brightness is more than enough for me. If only it had in-house diverse video playing capabilities. Sound is quite good too. I will not even say a word about the camera quality but be aware that I'm neither an audiophile nor a videophile (is this even a word?). I'm personally against no-card-slot as migrating your files is as easy as inserting the card to another phone in case of phone failure. Anyway, I guess technology is trending toward no-slots, which is also in favour of speed.
Performance: Very fast, even as is (2.3.7?). Battery is better than x10 but could have been better with respect to the duration that passed between the two technologies. By the way, phone is very stable.
Usage experience: Like two different eras when compared to the x10. I had missed multitasking very much since it was almost impossible with x10 after the 2.3 upgrade. You can hear the ringtones from the speaker while headset connected. In-call screen looks better and optimized and smartsearch is very efficient as some of you might already know with x10. I liked the keyboard. One problem is igo fills only some of the screen at the moment due to incompatible resolution. Fast charging is not true as Sony have stated recently that they never said such a specification. Be also aware that your expensive headset might not work as Sony have shifted to another standard, which iphone also utilizes. Nonetheless, I read that some had problems with the bitten fruit headsets, too. But I guess x10'ers are accustomed to headset compatibility issues.
Price/perf.: I will not get into that old-cpu-discussion which is currently irrelevant (or for at least 1.5 years?). Other than gaming, which I don't do, what software would require that in the coming months? And no ics out of the box, is that even a con? How many phones currently officially have it? Is it stable, do all apps support it at the moment?
So, I think that, in current market conditions, it deserves well the money you pay (~€450).

Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.

if i had the money i would buy it but the hardware seems to average, almost every dual core has the similar specs, and i think that the main disadvantage is to launch a dual core in the era of quad cores...
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Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Agree about the ICS part, it's a shame that Xperia S doesn't come with ICS out of the box but still for a smartphone at least (not tech in general) I think style is very important too and don't forget its awesome camera so I still find the Xperia S to be a great choice & I disagree completely about it being history when SGS3 is released, There are still a lot of people (like me) who prefer to have a phone with great specs with enough perf & speed for their needs & awesome camera & display rathe than a super fast powerful piece of brick which they won't even need ever to use it to its full potential, and not a fair comparison anyway since sgs3 is a newer phone (relase time-wise)

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Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
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Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.

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Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.
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He might be talking about a phone that we dont really know about but considering the SGS2 is practically on par with the xperia S, its logical to asume the SGS3 is going to be a beast compared to both thus stomping them in the perf department
Love the Xperia S tough even if i dont have it i agree that the power it has is enough for most needs
But since the phone JUST released, it would have been a smart move to make it ICS ready but i guess theyre not done with their ics update(why do these companies take so long?)
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I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.

a.monteiro said:
I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.
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All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does and on that front sony ericsson are very reluctant participants. It's always one excuse after another.
I've just received my xperia s but right now even though totally blow away by the display and the speed of the device, I am still minded to send it back because of gingerbread.
Unlike most of you, I find gingerbread on this phone just annoying..I mean common gingerbread in 2012?
And as for Apple. They got a head start and have a mass of mindless followers. Most people who I know who own iphones actually believe it to be the best and most sophisticated. They think android is a pale imitation. They are mostly noobs and remain so until they actually get to play with android and then slowly even if not totally their minds begin to change.
Apple as a company especially their iPhone brand is on the way down. The iPhone 4 was their last hoorah.
If you've got apple shares...pity you. I see another bubble exploding just as it did in the nineties against microsoft when apple sacked no other but their marketing man (and I stress marketing because that's what apple are in essence) Steve Jobs

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what nobel prize winning innovation you find in ics that is not there in gb?
i really wanna know what such feature in ics is there on which your oxygen supply is depending on?
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Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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zodiac100 said:
Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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i have used the arc on gb and ics.both...
ics gives half the battery life of gb...
for me personally that's a downside
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if you ask me to point out a firmware flaw in xperia s, I'll say... its the absence of 3.0 kernel rather.than absence of ics
coz you'll get ics anyways later...but sony will never upgrade kernel (they never do)
and because.it.comes with gb and you get ics later as upgrade, means you have a choice betweem gb(battery life) and ics (performance)....
a phone that.comes with ics doesn't have that choice....
you'll say downgrading is insane....but i did downgrade from vista to xp after getting fed up with it in 2 months....
its not like new version is necessarily better than old version for all needs
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Comparing battery by a beta rom on arc doesn't mean that ics have inferior battery(and that to with sony bloat)
You are doing good dev work now a days but you don't know the benefit of ics over gb?
For me battery life is 2x
Being a daily ics user i can say that

xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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championswimmer said:
xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
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I am taking for ics in general, not xperia s
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btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
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I know but because of features added and some more apps to have a good experience out of the box and not download apps for this or that from market
battery is 2x for me
Self experience is much better than blogs
So am i lying?
championswimmer said:
btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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Again i am talking about ics, not any phones
and if we take xperia s(which is dual core) is missing that
And HW acceleration is also a much better feature
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-ph...ce-cream-sandwich-beats-gingerbread-50006183/
http://www.myhtc.biz/2011/ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0-features-benefits/

zodiac100 said:
All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
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XS is in the market since early march and, by the time, there were no official ics phones other than google's.
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Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does...
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Really? That's very new for me. Shame on htc desire developers who developed kernels and cooked roms and made the phone very usable even in 2012. One with open bootloader would not need the sole support of companies and may use whatever rom available by 3rd parties.
Anyway, I don't understand this ics-right-away fixation.

@sahib
well, i cant argue much coz you have more ics experience than me...
but its all like xp vs win 7 debate i guess....
i still have xp to play games on my laptop.... win7 cannot run games at full resolutions on my slow computer....but for everything else, win7 is better....
there is a post on sony mobile.website which outlines where gb is better and where ics is better... i would suggest everyone to look at that post... and then decide on whether to use gb or use ics...
its all about what you want from your phone and which software fulfills your needs most.
and lemme make it clear....I'm not an ics critic....
its great...and it has many awesome new features...but i just wanna say that ics is not that important to make a question of life and death....
(and yes...my personal opinion...everyone's might differ)
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I saw that post on phonearena but its for 2011 devices which have 512 mb ram which causes the problems(and you have sony bloadware like timescape which is huge ram consuming)
But we are in xperia s thread which have 2x ram capacity so no problems
and its not like windows 7 and xp
Ics adds features other than visual changes
like HW acceleration and optimized for dual core phones

The general user does not know or care if he has a S3 or S4/Exynos/A5/etc. To them, if it says dual core, its about the same. What they do care is the screen quality, styling, how it feels in their hands (Quality, shape), and maybe some technical terms/slogans that they feel means anything to them, like Bravia (SuperAMOLED, Retina display, etc). Also many if not most take opinions of peers, or even who is advertising for the phone as guides to their next device. To them, GB is the same as ICS, its Android. Just like iOS, do they really know whats different between iOS? Not really.
You guys are the minority that tweaks and mods their phones, not the majority. Most of my friends have no idea what a ROM is much less kernals and android versions. You saying the X S will fail just because of lack of ICS at launch? Wrong, its selling extremely well in Europe as well as Asia. I actually remember an article stating its mostly sold out in the UK due to its display and styling.
Hardware wise, its not the latest, but it doesn't have to be. Its fast enough, and the screen is good, which affects the user experience the most.
I'm not saying the X S is perfect, but its a good combination of hardware where it matters and software that works well for users. There isn't any ground breaking ICS feature that everyone absolutely needs to have. You are a power user, you might use the task manager more, but most people won't even touch it.
Several of my friends still used 1.6 on their X10s when 2.3 came out. Most people really don't bother with it. Likewise with other phones.
XP/Vista was due to widespread press release of how bad Vista was. To this date most people believe its a horrible OS even though by SP1~2 it was sorted out. Fully patched Vista is performance wise the same as 7, yet no one cares because the name is already bad, hence 7 was rushed out. Mass media and word of mouth = what consumers hear, not some tech forum or blogs. This is also why the iphone is successful. Good ad campaigns are game changers.
Experiences from..
using the X10, Ray, iPhone 4, and played awhile with a Sensation XE. Friends of all sort. Advertising class.

Xperia S came in market in early March so th eproduction of the phone started early this year,which phone had ICS at that time??? all the current XS are made in jan-feb...wait till april and there will be out of box ICS.
I remember wit X10 there was a big issue with the first slot,the USB was glues so breaking off was common,i myself got the phone replaced,lack of HD.but then the later version solved these issues,XS is good but i will wait for te next slot of XS which will have ICS,by that time all the issues regarding XS will also be solved