A week ago, I passed on to the XS from my good ol' x10 and think that opinionating would be useful for some of you that are in the decision process. Beware, this will be a long one:
Design: Looks is great. Holds firmly in the hand. Transparent bar is very distinguished. Capacitive dots might rarely be missed or rarely unresponsive though, but very rarely after you get used to. Phone seems a bit big in the beginning but you get used to that after a few days and start to enjoy the bigger screen and higher ppi. However, I don't think I would buy a phone that even is two millimeters longer.
Media: Screen and videos are gorgous and even 30% brightness is more than enough for me. If only it had in-house diverse video playing capabilities. Sound is quite good too. I will not even say a word about the camera quality but be aware that I'm neither an audiophile nor a videophile (is this even a word?). I'm personally against no-card-slot as migrating your files is as easy as inserting the card to another phone in case of phone failure. Anyway, I guess technology is trending toward no-slots, which is also in favour of speed.
Performance: Very fast, even as is (2.3.7?). Battery is better than x10 but could have been better with respect to the duration that passed between the two technologies. By the way, phone is very stable.
Usage experience: Like two different eras when compared to the x10. I had missed multitasking very much since it was almost impossible with x10 after the 2.3 upgrade. You can hear the ringtones from the speaker while headset connected. In-call screen looks better and optimized and smartsearch is very efficient as some of you might already know with x10. I liked the keyboard. One problem is igo fills only some of the screen at the moment due to incompatible resolution. Fast charging is not true as Sony have stated recently that they never said such a specification. Be also aware that your expensive headset might not work as Sony have shifted to another standard, which iphone also utilizes. Nonetheless, I read that some had problems with the bitten fruit headsets, too. But I guess x10'ers are accustomed to headset compatibility issues.
Price/perf.: I will not get into that old-cpu-discussion which is currently irrelevant (or for at least 1.5 years?). Other than gaming, which I don't do, what software would require that in the coming months? And no ics out of the box, is that even a con? How many phones currently officially have it? Is it stable, do all apps support it at the moment?
So, I think that, in current market conditions, it deserves well the money you pay (~€450).
Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
if i had the money i would buy it but the hardware seems to average, almost every dual core has the similar specs, and i think that the main disadvantage is to launch a dual core in the era of quad cores...
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zodiac100 said:
Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
While I'm prepared to accept the dual core cpu (not being a gammer myself).
The lack of ICS straight out of the box is a big failure for the phone. Gingerbread is yesterdays man and a phone that's intended as an upgrade should be just that..an upgrade.
We even have the funny situation where the 2011 phones from SE will even spot ICS b4 the 2012 phones. Strange indeed.
SE made a lot of noise last year about being on point with software versions but look a year later, they are back to the same old crap.
I've ordered one...yes...will I keep it....who knows. I'll play with it for a few days and if I notice any real weaknesses in it. It's going straight back.
I am very reluctant to give my money to a company that just seems to refuse to get it and by that I mean the fact that android sells these phones and that's that. These phone manufacturers have been making phones for years since the iPhone came out without making an impression until android came on the scene.
Samsung, htc and others seem to have got it but SE for some inexplicable reason
despite insisting on making android phones refuse to embrace the platform completely.
SE need to stop selling SE phones running android and start releasing android phones made by sony.( if u catch my drift)
Until they make that philosophical shift, they will continue to lag behind.
Xperia s...fantastic display(the best available), great camera, competent hardware specs. But once again released with dated software.
Its not so much gingerbread that I resent, it's the fact that the very same company considering all that happened with the x10, is back making the same stupid stupid mistake.
Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Agree about the ICS part, it's a shame that Xperia S doesn't come with ICS out of the box but still for a smartphone at least (not tech in general) I think style is very important too and don't forget its awesome camera so I still find the Xperia S to be a great choice & I disagree completely about it being history when SGS3 is released, There are still a lot of people (like me) who prefer to have a phone with great specs with enough perf & speed for their needs & awesome camera & display rathe than a super fast powerful piece of brick which they won't even need ever to use it to its full potential, and not a fair comparison anyway since sgs3 is a newer phone (relase time-wise)
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Sorry kiddo, even though I've just ordered one myself, I disagree with you analysis especially about ICS.
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Once the galaxy s3 gets released, that will be that for the xperia s. All quite on the western front will be the story that's told about it.
In technology sophistication will always win out over design and presentation. Only a small minority will choose style over substance as far as tech goes. They might do that with all else but they won't with tech....not ultimately any way.
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Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.
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Son, well, you are totally wrong there. How come iphone sells too many if not for design and presentation? How sophisticated is it?
You also are talking about a phone whose specs are not confirmed and yet to end XS at we-even-not-know-what-release date! Some sense pls. Of course, a few months are long enough for higher tech but then what. There will always be some model with better specs than the former.
XS is a good choice for its price.
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He might be talking about a phone that we dont really know about but considering the SGS2 is practically on par with the xperia S, its logical to asume the SGS3 is going to be a beast compared to both thus stomping them in the perf department
Love the Xperia S tough even if i dont have it i agree that the power it has is enough for most needs
But since the phone JUST released, it would have been a smart move to make it ICS ready but i guess theyre not done with their ics update(why do these companies take so long?)
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I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.
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I disagree with the notion that Sony hasn't learned anything. They even got to the extent of releasing official bootloader unlocking and support the Cyanogenmod community, if that is "refusing to embrace android" i really don't understand what is.
What phones in the market now are ICS out-of-the-box? besides the obvious answer Nexus S of course.
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All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does and on that front sony ericsson are very reluctant participants. It's always one excuse after another.
I've just received my xperia s but right now even though totally blow away by the display and the speed of the device, I am still minded to send it back because of gingerbread.
Unlike most of you, I find gingerbread on this phone just annoying..I mean common gingerbread in 2012?
And as for Apple. They got a head start and have a mass of mindless followers. Most people who I know who own iphones actually believe it to be the best and most sophisticated. They think android is a pale imitation. They are mostly noobs and remain so until they actually get to play with android and then slowly even if not totally their minds begin to change.
Apple as a company especially their iPhone brand is on the way down. The iPhone 4 was their last hoorah.
If you've got apple shares...pity you. I see another bubble exploding just as it did in the nineties against microsoft when apple sacked no other but their marketing man (and I stress marketing because that's what apple are in essence) Steve Jobs
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what nobel prize winning innovation you find in ics that is not there in gb?
i really wanna know what such feature in ics is there on which your oxygen supply is depending on?
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Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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Well if your waiting for Nobel prize winning innovation, then you m must be on some next ****.
Ics has a new task management system that allows you to control running applications almost as well as windows does. That's a big change. Even Sony describe it as a major overhaul.
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i have used the arc on gb and ics.both...
ics gives half the battery life of gb...
for me personally that's a downside
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if you ask me to point out a firmware flaw in xperia s, I'll say... its the absence of 3.0 kernel rather.than absence of ics
coz you'll get ics anyways later...but sony will never upgrade kernel (they never do)
and because.it.comes with gb and you get ics later as upgrade, means you have a choice betweem gb(battery life) and ics (performance)....
a phone that.comes with ics doesn't have that choice....
you'll say downgrading is insane....but i did downgrade from vista to xp after getting fed up with it in 2 months....
its not like new version is necessarily better than old version for all needs
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Comparing battery by a beta rom on arc doesn't mean that ics have inferior battery(and that to with sony bloat)
You are doing good dev work now a days but you don't know the benefit of ics over gb?
For me battery life is 2x
Being a daily ics user i can say that
xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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xperia s will get it in 2 months...so what's the difference....
i mean.... its not.like it'll never get ics...
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I am taking for ics in general, not xperia s
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btw all major tech website reviews of ics have noted greater resource usage....hopefuly they are not lying...lol
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I know but because of features added and some more apps to have a good experience out of the box and not download apps for this or that from market
battery is 2x for me
Self experience is much better than blogs
So am i lying?
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btw for arc ics will not be that beneficial even in final rom... coz its single core...
ics extracts power of dual core from your phone efficiently...lol that's why you are feeling the boost
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Again i am talking about ics, not any phones
and if we take xperia s(which is dual core) is missing that
And HW acceleration is also a much better feature
http://www.androidauthority.com/android-2-3-gingerbread-vs-android-4-0-ice-cream-sandwich-37742/
http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/mobile-ph...ce-cream-sandwich-beats-gingerbread-50006183/
http://www.myhtc.biz/2011/ice-cream-sandwich-android-4-0-features-benefits/
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All of the new phone from all manufactures even hauwei all spoting ICS. HTC, LG.
tHE XPERIA S is the only 2012 phone without ICS.
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XS is in the market since early march and, by the time, there were no official ics phones other than google's.
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Unlocking bootloader does not improve your phone...an OS UPGRADE does...
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Really? That's very new for me. Shame on htc desire developers who developed kernels and cooked roms and made the phone very usable even in 2012. One with open bootloader would not need the sole support of companies and may use whatever rom available by 3rd parties.
Anyway, I don't understand this ics-right-away fixation.
@sahib
well, i cant argue much coz you have more ics experience than me...
but its all like xp vs win 7 debate i guess....
i still have xp to play games on my laptop.... win7 cannot run games at full resolutions on my slow computer....but for everything else, win7 is better....
there is a post on sony mobile.website which outlines where gb is better and where ics is better... i would suggest everyone to look at that post... and then decide on whether to use gb or use ics...
its all about what you want from your phone and which software fulfills your needs most.
and lemme make it clear....I'm not an ics critic....
its great...and it has many awesome new features...but i just wanna say that ics is not that important to make a question of life and death....
(and yes...my personal opinion...everyone's might differ)
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I saw that post on phonearena but its for 2011 devices which have 512 mb ram which causes the problems(and you have sony bloadware like timescape which is huge ram consuming)
But we are in xperia s thread which have 2x ram capacity so no problems
and its not like windows 7 and xp
Ics adds features other than visual changes
like HW acceleration and optimized for dual core phones
The general user does not know or care if he has a S3 or S4/Exynos/A5/etc. To them, if it says dual core, its about the same. What they do care is the screen quality, styling, how it feels in their hands (Quality, shape), and maybe some technical terms/slogans that they feel means anything to them, like Bravia (SuperAMOLED, Retina display, etc). Also many if not most take opinions of peers, or even who is advertising for the phone as guides to their next device. To them, GB is the same as ICS, its Android. Just like iOS, do they really know whats different between iOS? Not really.
You guys are the minority that tweaks and mods their phones, not the majority. Most of my friends have no idea what a ROM is much less kernals and android versions. You saying the X S will fail just because of lack of ICS at launch? Wrong, its selling extremely well in Europe as well as Asia. I actually remember an article stating its mostly sold out in the UK due to its display and styling.
Hardware wise, its not the latest, but it doesn't have to be. Its fast enough, and the screen is good, which affects the user experience the most.
I'm not saying the X S is perfect, but its a good combination of hardware where it matters and software that works well for users. There isn't any ground breaking ICS feature that everyone absolutely needs to have. You are a power user, you might use the task manager more, but most people won't even touch it.
Several of my friends still used 1.6 on their X10s when 2.3 came out. Most people really don't bother with it. Likewise with other phones.
XP/Vista was due to widespread press release of how bad Vista was. To this date most people believe its a horrible OS even though by SP1~2 it was sorted out. Fully patched Vista is performance wise the same as 7, yet no one cares because the name is already bad, hence 7 was rushed out. Mass media and word of mouth = what consumers hear, not some tech forum or blogs. This is also why the iphone is successful. Good ad campaigns are game changers.
Experiences from..
using the X10, Ray, iPhone 4, and played awhile with a Sensation XE. Friends of all sort. Advertising class.
Xperia S came in market in early March so th eproduction of the phone started early this year,which phone had ICS at that time??? all the current XS are made in jan-feb...wait till april and there will be out of box ICS.
I remember wit X10 there was a big issue with the first slot,the USB was glues so breaking off was common,i myself got the phone replaced,lack of HD.but then the later version solved these issues,XS is good but i will wait for te next slot of XS which will have ICS,by that time all the issues regarding XS will also be solved
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I swear this is a serious question... I have posted here and not the Captivate forum because I really want thoughtful responses and not smart-ass answers.
After over a year's wait, the X10 is finally coming to AT&T tomorrow. I've had only Ericssons and Sony Ericssons since 1998. I have always been a fan of SE designs and loved having a unique phone. Perhaps earlier this year I would have immediately jumped on the X10. However, the Samsung Captivate has generally received higher scores, and on multiple reviews, has also been named the best Android phone on AT&T.
I am trying really hard to like the X10 more than the Captivate, but can any X10 owners offer compelling reasons to go with the X10? Please assume the 2.1 update arrives as planned. I understand this is objective, but I really just want the "best" AT&T phone.
So far, my main reasons to go with the X10 are:
1) I love SE phones.
2) I've loved SE cameras, and the X10's appears to perform better than the Captivate's.
3) The camera flash/bright LED light has saved me in more than one situation throughout the years.
4) Mediascape seems to be highly regarded in most of the reviews I have read, and I plan to upload music, pictures, and videos to this phone.
5) I personally like the X10 design more than the Captivate.
Also, a few questions before I play with both phones tomorrow:
1) Does the lack of multi-touch really make a difference?
2) Does the UXP act as clunky as reviews have said it does?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Christian
In my mind x10 is not the best smart phone out there.
It has a os version behind others and lack of mt
I not sure is 2.1 will improve the system as i never tried b4
but if u not a hardcore gamer den mt is not a problem for you.
Lack of mt mean can't play game like pspxdroid smootly
And Samsung Captivate is really a powerful mobile but the power usage is higher too.
X10 is the only phone i know that your phone can last u a day without much worry that your batt will run out till the end of the day if you control your batt usage well.
And i just love the design of the phone i think is the few design that score toe to toe with iphone 4g and that why i go for it. And the problem with all the older os compare to htc/samsumg cause x10 have a sony UI design where making it different. I love the background at the setting page compare to the normal black background (just make you think it not customize before)
But if you got the chances to hold both phone i believe x10 look really great especial the white phone=)
Note: Some other user said: Buying a smart phone is like getting a wife. =)
it never going to be prefect in any way. But if you love it? that good enough.
Hope you pick the right wife for you=)
You already put up 5 good reasons to get the X10 so it sounds to me like you already want it.
As to your questions:
1: Multi touch was impressive when I tried it other phones and was a big negative against me getting the X10, but now that I got the X10 anyway the controls work just fine for me.
2: I'm sure the user experience could be better, I don't like everything about this phone but it seems pretty good overall. I would say as just a phone, the X10 needs some improvement, but as a data device it does everything I need.
my opinion
hi im from australia,
we dont have the samsung captivate but we have the samsung galaxy s, and i curently own the SE X10 which i chose over the samsung galaxy s.
i work in a telco shop so i get to play with the galaxy all the time and ive compared it to my x10, and i chose the x10.
this is what ive notices about the 2 handsets.
X10:
the battery life in the start was really bad, but as about 2 weeks passed, the battery actually started lasting longer, must be just because it was new and just needed a few proper charges.
the original software that came on it was a bit laggy an had a few problems with it but im now on the (26) software and its working great
i personally dont care for multi touch and not so much about games either (i have ipod touch and i play all my games on that.
although i have quiet a lot of games on my x10 and they all play great,
i use vignette as my main camera app and the photos i get with it are spectacular you may check them here http://img375.imageshack.us/g/20100710160347439.jpg/
i prefer the screen of the x10, yes i know that the galaxy has a supper amoled, ive had the omnia II i8000 which had an amoled screen and really dont care for it.
with the update the phone will be even better and faster. at the same time as much as i hope we get 2.1 soon and 2.2 following i really dont think that numbers matter too much, i got the phone because it did what i wanted for me.
now on to the GALAXY S:
great supper amoled screen,
16gig internal memory
multi touch
2.1 and soon getting 2.2 which will make it as insane phone especially for games (if thats what you want)
but one thing ive noticed is that when ever i use our store demo which has the latest software and all the same apps as my x10 (i set it up in the same way)
the galaxy s seems to lag a fair bit over time and requires a reboot to fix that.
the only thing that the galaxy has that i really wanted was SWYPE KEYBOARD and i actually got it on my x10 and its working great.
at the same time i see a lot of people buying both these phones, and no one as of yet has come back with problems with them,
i dont know if ive helped much in your decision but i just say pick one that has what you want
To answer some of your questions:
UXP is quite good. That being said, Mediascape should make you change your mind. It's definitely good, but not good enough to die for. You will find better picture viewers (JustPictures) and media players (Rock Player) in the Android market for free.
Captivate has multi-touch, SAMOLED and newer Android. However, it's build quality is weaker.
Multitouch doesnt matter in most apps. Pinch and zoom isn't really a big deal. However, some of the games require multi-touch. Once again, it isn't a deal breaker, but it is important enough to be considered.
Btw, Amazon will be offering X10 with contract for 50 bucks. What is the best deal you can get on the Captivate?
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2) I've loved SE cameras, and the X10's appears to perform better than the Captivate's.
Christian
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Some of the images captured from stock camera, you will see lot of variance in quality due, reason being user.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724314
There's one reason I would not recommend buying a SE phone, cruddy customer support and a desire to have people update to latest phone rather then keep developing older models. They try to make the customers pay over and over for the same stuff, look at the way they treated PSP users who got the new model.
Sony doesn't get enthusiast smart phones, HTC and Apple do; they know that regular on time updates are important to us. That's who I'd be buying a smart phone from. Sony cater to the mass market uneducated customers who dont know how to upgrade their os or don't care.
Upshot, we will get 2.1 very late, we might get 2.2 when everyone is getting 3.0. I'll eat my hat if X10 will get 3.0, by then SE will see it as cannibalizing sales of their newest phone.
Also, x10 lacks the 512 ram that's talked about as likely prerequisite for 3.0. So, it's a well built phone with a limited lifespan. I'd go with an HTC phone for android, they get smartphones and have a prooven track record. Samsung are new at this game, so we will see. The Galaxy build quality is much poorer than SE, HTC or Apple.
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consolation said:
... look at the way they treated PSP users who got the new model.
Sony doesn't get enthusiast smart phones, HTC and Apple do; they know that regular on time updates are important to us. That's who I'd be buying a smart phone from. Sony cater to the mass market uneducated customers who dont know how to upgrade their os or don't care.
Also, x10 lacks the 512 ram that's talked about as likely prerequisite for 3.0. So, it's a well built phone with a limited lifespan. I'd go with an HTC phone for android, they get smartphones and have a prooven track record. Samsung are new at this game, so we will see. The Galaxy build quality is much poorer than SE, HTC or Apple.
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1st Sony and Sony Ericsson are two different companies.
2nd we have plenty of firmware updates but no OS updates. We will have one very soon now. HTC have made a lot more Android phones. This is SE's first and i think they did a pretty good job as well.
3rd there is no prerequisite for Android 3.0. Google haven't said anything about that.
I'd say go with what you really like in your hand and to your eyes. Both are great phones and you will get over many of the cons with either phones with help on several forums.
I owned several phones in the last 3 years and started to like to SE designs more ever since I owned W910. Recently, I owned Nexus One and iPhone 4 but settled with X10 mainly for how it feels in my hands and for the looks.
It has quite a few annoying functionality issues but I got around them after a week or two. I have the white X10a which makes it even more special.
99% of the time I use my phone to make calls, text, googleTalk, Maps, and Browsing. So, MT doesn't even come to my thoughts and 1.6 feels fine.
Some apps that makes X10 even better
1. ADW Launcher
2. CalWidget
3. Beautiful Widgets (Paid App)
4. Weather & Toggle Donate (paid). You don't need if u get Beautiful Widgets.
5. Switch Pro Widget (Paid app)
6. JustPictures (I use Smugmug so, it rocks)
7. MixZing Media Player
8. Data Counter widget (if you don't have unlimited data plan)
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1st Sony and Sony Ericsson are two different companies.
2nd we have plenty of firmware updates but no OS updates. We will have one very soon now. HTC have made a lot more Android phones. This is SE's first and i think they did a pretty good job as well.
3rd there is no prerequisite for Android 3.0. Google haven't said anything about that.
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1) SE is owned 50% by Sony and share lots of board members, marketing etc etc. It's for all intents and purposes a subsidiary company,
2) Yes, firmware updates that FAILED to address basic flaws in the phone, and would have been unnecessary if they rolled out 2.0, 2.1, and we should have 2.2 by now. Instead we are hoping that maybe we can get 2.1 - 6 months late. The phone is well made, no argument, not quite up to Apple standard, but definitely better built than other top tier androids.
SE won't learn if they treat customers like **** and we take it. I'm not sure that they can change their corporate mentality enough to make a difference. It's a massive multi-national, X10 is one of millions of other products ranging from bog rolls to rockets, they will never care as much about any individual product. HTC makes smart phones, they can't afford to get a bad rep, this is good for us, the customers. Even Apple have more at stake with the iPhone. I fear Samsung will head in SE's footsteps, but, I haven't heard much about them either way. Sony has a reputation for spreading their customers' butt cheeks and ramming **** in.
3) The 512MB RAM pre-req has been floated by a number of sources, it will give SE perfect excuse not to give us 3.0; almost like it's been planned...
Also, another reason to avoid SE, we had pretty little progress on hacking the bootloader. Sony are fanatically against modding communities on their products - I wouldn't be surprised if it's never broken.
All in all, if you've already got X10, and it's working fine for you - I wouldn't rush out and sell it. However, you can get better phones from more customer friendly manufacturers nowadays; I would NOT buy a new X10.
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Some apps that makes X10 even better
1. ADW Launcher
2. CalWidget
3. Beautiful Widgets (Paid App)
4. Weather & Toggle Donate (paid). You don't need if u get Beautiful Widgets.
5. Switch Pro Widget (Paid app)
6. JustPictures (I use Smugmug so, it rocks)
7. MixZing Media Player
8. Data Counter widget (if you don't have unlimited data plan)
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LOL, you've got pretty much same setup as me. I would just add
9)Penetrate 10)Wifi Analyzer 11)Handcent and replace 7) with bTunes
i think that you will have to choose between a good build quality and lack of software upgrades (SE) and moderate build quality but better software support (samsung). I would go with the first choice but there is little chance that the bootloader will be cracked so no custom ROM to compensate SE laziness.
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1) SE is owned 50% by Sony and share lots of board members, marketing etc etc. It's for all intents and purposes a subsidiary company,
2) Yes, firmware updates that FAILED to address basic flaws in the phone, and would have been unnecessary if they rolled out 2.0, 2.1, and we should have 2.2 by now. Instead we are hoping that maybe we can get 2.1 - 6 months late. The phone is well made, no argument, not quite up to Apple standard, but definitely better built than other top tier androids.
SE won't learn if they treat customers like **** and we take it. I'm not sure that they can change their corporate mentality enough to make a difference. It's a massive multi-national, X10 is one of millions of other products ranging from bog rolls to rockets, they will never care as much about any individual product. HTC makes smart phones, they can't afford to get a bad rep, this is good for us, the customers. Even Apple have more at stake with the iPhone. I fear Samsung will head in SE's footsteps, but, I haven't heard much about them either way. Sony has a reputation for spreading their customers' butt cheeks and ramming **** in.
3) The 512MB RAM pre-req has been floated by a number of sources, it will give SE perfect excuse not to give us 3.0; almost like it's been planned...
Also, another reason to avoid SE, we had pretty little progress on hacking the bootloader. Sony are fanatically against modding communities on their products - I wouldn't be surprised if it's never broken.
All in all, if you've already got X10, and it's working fine for you - I wouldn't rush out and sell it. However, you can get better phones from more customer friendly manufacturers nowadays; I would NOT buy a new X10.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Here's the 1.6 vs 2.1 difference:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.1.html
Although, I agree with you that SE have made 1.6 a LOT better than the stock version.
And I think we'll get 2.2 at least because of this:
http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/status/15260820648
But, when we'll get it, is the problem.
@CinCa0989
I would choose the Samsung Captivate if you want to play 3D games on your phone, due to its better gpu and multitouch capability.
I would also choose it if you want the latest software, whatever it is.
If you don't care about 3d games, multitouch or updates, get the X10.
Also, choose the X10, if you like taking pictures, and want better-looking videos. It will have 720p recording soon (by Q3 end), and an LED is better than no LED.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Don't apologise for SE, you sound like someone in an abusive relations who takes any scraps thrown at you as evidence of "love." He hits me 'cause he loves me... SE took people who paid for a premium phone for a ride, no excuses, premium products should come with premium support. I don't hate SE, they are big corp acting like big corps do, but I don't have to like getting shafted.
TBH, I got it for my GF who wanted a decent camera; she used it for a couple of weeks, said "what a piece of crap" and got an iPhone 4. Although her beef was more with the flea market, sorry, android marketplace and the OS rather than the hardware - well she had some pretty strong opinions on the lack of multitouch. Since I need an android phone for work, I ditched my MT3G and hanged on to the XPERIA. I actually think there's a great phone struggling to be set free in there; if we could get 2.2 & ditch all the Sony crapola we'd be rocking.
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TBH, I got it for my GF who wanted a decent camera; she used it for a couple of weeks, said "what a piece of crap" and got an iPhone 4. Although her beef was more with the flea market, sorry, android marketplace and the OS rather than the hardware - well she had some pretty strong opinions on the lack of multitouch. Since I need an android phone for work, I ditched my MT3G and hanged on to the XPERIA. I actually think there's a great phone struggling to be set free in there; if we could get 2.2 & ditch all the Sony crapola we'd be rocking.
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Hey guys no need to be rude. The OP asked for personal opinion and not smart-ass answers .As far as "what a piece of crap" goes did you mean the camera is crap or the phone? In my opinion X10 has one of the best camera if not the best available in Android phones.
Yes the camera is as good as they get. My only issue is lack of mic levels so it's hard to record gigs without clipping.
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I'll keep it short. I apologize for my previous post, not knowing another fellas background story. I'm just really tired of all the whining on pree release knowledge. I'm happy with my phone, prolly spent 15-20h gathering knowledge before purchase. Peace ppl, and i hope the OP will be happy with whatever choice he makes!
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LOL, you've got pretty much same setup as me. I would just add
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How did I forget Handcent? Maybe I use it so much that I feel it's the default Messaging app. Need to check out how the default one is .
feeling sad.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/28/sony-ericsson-xperia-x10-for-atandt-review/
Yup, i just read that and I feel sorry for our X10.but it's common from engadget.Hopefully the 2.1 update will do the X10 justice and bring it to the place it deserves
not until it can shoot laser beam or give us x-ray vision. I doubt 2.1 will even help.
Just wait until sony announce their secret project X.
SONY PSP 2 COMBINE with x10! to form ultimate PSP x10!
Wired's reviewer gives it "7 out of 10", even without Android 2.1
http://www.wired.com/reviews/product/pr_sony_x10
That's what happens when u release a phone in such a large market with so many problems....can't wait to buy the captivate and sell my x10 just not sure ill have any takers
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As good as the X10 is, they deserve all the flack they get for being so slow at releasing the 2.1 update.
I'd take an X10 over a Galaxy S any day but the polish that is lacking in 1.6 compared to 2.1 is quite evident and it can be quite frustrating considering the X10 has very capable hardware.
Every company is slow with major updates.
The UX for the X10 went pretty deep.
It took almost 2 months for an official release with froyo for the nexus one.
Be patient and enjoy a solid phone.
I understand feeling the need to defend the X10, but nothing Engadget said is necessarily wrong. It's no longer a great phone compared to the phones that are out today, and that's what reviews are all about.
When there's loads of phones out there running 2.1/2.2 with 4"+ screens, with multi-touch, and without a laggy skin, what advantage does the x10 really have? None. It may be very well built, and it may run what it does very well, but there are many phones that do all that and more.
Engadget has done nothing to blame....every word in the review is true..
i could not understand the customization being done Sony on 2.1 which is preventing them from releasing it early.
i still dont think that there is a phone out there today that i would choose over the x10. Galaxy, iphone etc... X10 is unique for me in many ways i really love the phone even with 1.6. this review is true but is misleading people towards not liking the phone, and really its one of the best phones out there. they can write the same review but put it in a different way and have people like it like i do. its weird why they do that.
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the review seems fair, when i bought my x10 6 months ago it was the best hardware on the market and that made up for older software.
Now there are quite a few 4"+ screens, 8mp camera's and most new phones have 2.1 or 2.2, the x10 is now in middle/lower half of the high end market.
I think buyers in the high end market expect their device to stay high end for more than 6 months and I personally think 2 years worth of device support is reasonable.
if it wasn't for XDA - i'd be changing my phone every 3 months( as opposed to every 6 - lol)
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As good as the X10 is, they deserve all the flack they get for being so slow at releasing the 2.1 update.
I'd take an X10 over a Galaxy S any day but the polish that is lacking in 1.6 compared to 2.1 is quite evident and it can be quite frustrating considering the X10 has very capable hardware.
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I just have my hands on Samsung Galaxy S and frankly, I don't like the build quality of the phone as it is like any Samsung phones with cheap plastics and the feel is not as great as X10.
Galaxy S do have front camera but it does not have rear LED flash which is always my concern when getting a Camera phone, I can live without the front camera but not without the LED Flash on the rear of the phone.
It does have the front 2 buttons, Menu and Go Back button based on touch sensor which is quite good but the build quality really makes me feel like not touching it for long period.
Till now, I still enjoy playing with my X10 and holding it on my hand to show off though it is still on Android 1.6.
I would get the Iphone for my gf, but not for myself. It's got a nice UI but I don't see what is better about the Iphone compared to the top android phones. The price is just too high.
SE is a good manufacturer, but I think they could use a fresh wind over their company. They make excellent pieces of hardware, but their software is usually not something to write home about.
The reason I chose the X10 over the other phones was because SE doesn't make so many variations of one phone. Just look at the Samsung Omnia. You have over 5 different versions of that one.
I just want a manufacturer to make one phone that does it all. Kind of like SE was claiming they did with the X10. Then they can make one downgraded lower budget version like the X10 mini pro. I think they should've only released the X10 mini pro but then call that one X10 mini.
My sis got the Omnia at that time, and within a short period the Omnia HD appeared. I don't know how she felt, but I would feel a bit scammed...
the review seems fair, when i bought my x10 6 months ago it was the best hardware on the market and that made up for older software.
Now there are quite a few 4"+ screens, 8mp camera's and most new phones have 2.1 or 2.2, the x10 is now in middle/lower half of the high end market.
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tbh, i don't think a lot has changed in the market over the last 6 months. there are no new phones that have say, 1.5/2ghz/tegra/tegra2 processors, 1gb or rom/ram. the x10 has the same specs as the phones that are still coming out now.
the only thing in that was the 2.1 and 2.2, and we're getting an update within a month with the promise of continued support. x10 is equally as high end as the nexus one, which is equally as high end as the captivate which is equally as high end as the droid X. the only real distinguishing features are in terms of aesthetic design, where the x10 clearly wins.
Samsung and Nokia does that, they'll make so many variation of the same model, so they can grab the whole range of buyer. Like for example, the Nokia 5800, they made so many variation of the same hardware specs that I lost count already, they will just change some little thing, remove something, change housing, and it's a different model already. Save them a lot of money on R&D, I guess...
Maybe SE should start doing that too...
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Samsung and Nokia does that, they'll make so many variation of the same model, so they can grab the whole range of buyer. Like for example, the Nokia 5800, they made so many variation of the same hardware specs that I lost count already, they will just change some little thing, remove something, change housing, and it's a different model already. Save them a lot of money on R&D, I guess...
Maybe SE should start doing that too...
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I think SE has made a good move by introducing X10 Mini Pro and X10 Mini to the X10 family as X10 as they are actually capturing different demands from end users as X10 Mini might be targeting at ladies as my sister also like the X10 Mini so much cos it is small and handy for their handbags.
As for the X10 Mini Pro targets to guys or ladies which prefer to have a keyboard but having the same size as the X10 Mini cos some might feel X10 a little bulky to them.
That is my opinion.
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tbh, i don't think a lot has changed in the market over the last 6 months. there are no new phones that have say, 1.5/2ghz/tegra/tegra2 processors, 1gb or rom/ram. the x10 has the same specs as the phones that are still coming out now.
the only thing in that was the 2.1 and 2.2, and we're getting an update within a month with the promise of continued support. x10 is equally as high end as the nexus one, which is equally as high end as the captivate which is equally as high end as the droid X. the only real distinguishing features are in terms of aesthetic design, where the x10 clearly wins.
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Okay, assuming all of that to be true. I could still go out today and buy a phone with the same or very similar specs that already has 2.2 on it, not a mere promise of 2.1.
SE made a mistake by releasing it to the American market before pushing out the 2.1 update. It's a six month old phone with a version of the OS that many (especially among tech journalists) consider antiquated. This might be fine for the X10 Mini's, but for their flagship smartphone? No, that's for a completely different market segment who tend to do a little more research before making a purchase.
Take a look at the X10 mini review on Engadget a couple of days back. It got an excellent review even though it's running 1.6 as well and has lower specifications than the X10 proper. The is because the Mini isn't meant to be a top of the line phone. It excels at what it is meant to do. The X10 proper is meant to be a top of the line Android phone. It does not excel at this, clearly.
dreckis604 said:
That's what happens when u release a phone in such a large market with so many problems....can't wait to buy the captivate and sell my x10 just not sure ill have any takers
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Good luck. I returned my Captivate to buy the X10. The Samsung is fantastic on paper and has a gorgeous screen. It's not as fantastic in everyday use, though. It's laggy and phone reception is poor. GPS is broken almost completely, but that should be resolved soon. I loved it for a week and then started getting annoyed at all of the little things.
btw, that Engadget review is a joke. Any phone that doesn't have an Apple on it can't get higher than an 8/10 as the iP4 got a 9/10 and nothing could ever top that phone in their minds.
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Okay, assuming all of that to be true. I could still go out today and buy a phone with the same or very similar specs that already has 2.2 on it, not a mere promise of 2.1.
SE made a mistake by releasing it to the American market before pushing out the 2.1 update. It's a six month old phone with a version of the OS that many (especially among tech journalists) consider antiquated. This might be fine for the X10 Mini's, but for their flagship smartphone? No, that's for a completely different market segment who tend to do a little more research before making a purchase.
Take a look at the X10 mini review on Engadget a couple of days back. It got an excellent review even though it's running 1.6 as well and has lower specifications than the X10 proper. The is because the Mini isn't meant to be a top of the line phone. It excels at what it is meant to do. The X10 proper is meant to be a top of the line Android phone. It does not excel at this, clearly.
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The mini off contract actually cost more than the X10 for AT&T that they were reviewing. It's only $350. So with the money being similar there's no way I would pick the mini over the X10.
Sony kinda deserved it. By the time they release the update in September all the other phones would already have 2.2 and perhaps looking into 3.0. Not that I don't like this phone, I love the design, camera, etc. But no MT and an old OS is definately a pulldown.
Gary~
we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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If they are updating the OS frequently it only shows how they care for their device and want it to be better in my opinion.
Why does it bother you if they are working on an update?
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Versus the non-update game SE typically does?
I'm fine with them improving our phones. Bring it on SE!
Btw there isn't an update in December....that was pushed to "early 2011" and my guess is that multitouch will be included in that update
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I think the update comming out to SEUS 31/03-11 (The day before the 4. Quarter)
Maybe Sony Ericsson dont have lots os programmers, and they are not good enough to do the things before the others, the Android 1.6 are ver good costumized by SE, but there are things that needs to be programmed, like:
- Multitouch (driver)
- 16M colors (driver)
- Audio (actual driver is very bad)
- Android 2.2 (costumize and optimize to X10)
I would rather say that they have very good cryptographic team, because that is from what I can see, the best they have on their hardware.
The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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Cool! Its been a while since we've heard from you
Any idea what the other features are? (*hint* - froyo ? )
Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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There's a lot of hate for SE, but as long as they try to improve the SE experience for those with SE phones, I'm happy. Could they be doing better? Just enabling MT for the X10 is so much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe it's because I had a Nokia as my last phone that I'm happy with any substantial improvement in the OS, haha.
I forgot where I read it, but the turnaround time from new OS to handset is roughly 4 months (it used to be nearly 12 months). Froyo (2.2) came out in May and it's only been in the last couple months where handsets have been getting 2.2. The exception is the N1, but then again, that was sold as a phone for enthusiasts (and pretty much what they're using to test it on). When Gingerbread (2.3) comes out, you can expect at least another 4 months before it gets pushed OTA (besides the N1 and the NS). As they learn Android, I'm sure they'll be faster in issuing updates. Motorola was (and sometimes is) pretty slow in pushing updates for their phones but now they're cranking it out.
In regards to multi-touch... Did they ever say resistive? They were up front when they said it wasn't going to have MT. Yeah, but I agree they should have had it on the X10 in the first place. The N1 didn't have MT at first and they were quick to add it. Nexus One's MT is the same as the future X10 MT. They both are designed for pinch to zoom applications, its a limitation found in the hardware. Games will work but it will have the same multi-touch limitations as the N1. And of course - phones that have just come out have better multitouch... they're newer phones based on newer chipsets which use newer technologies.
I dont get the big idea about MT, its not a big thing, hardly use it on my wildfire.
In regards to the x10 launched with 1.6 for me it was running better than any other device with 2.1 on there. Touch wood but ive never had any problems apart from the in ear volume. So what if the value has dropped. Its the sentimental value that counts.
I praise the devs for their hardwork. Also SE...however i will say Rikard and SE need to get off their fat arses and stop delaying everything.
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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i think ur taking it too far man...personally i think 1.6 was pretty good and after i updated to 2.1 i was very pleased. the updating was easy and i easily restored my contacts using the default backup and restore app
the battery life on the x10 is incredible, consitently get about 2 full days of regular usage(surfing net before classes, a little talking, some txting and listening to 1-2 hrs of music everyday). while my friend with the iphone 4 complains about terrible battery and dropped calls(he has a case too!)
the phone looks very nice and feels solid, the software isn't "buggy" i haven't had any problems with it at all(no root or anything btw). and the 2.1 version is soo smooth and looks very nice compared to say a stock android 2.1. people complain about mediascape and timescape, but personally i love them timescape doesn't use too much cpu if u disable the services (like txt, email, fb, etc) and mediascape is miles ahead of android in media playing ability.
and just to remind you, those engineers are working very hard, remember they have to develop the software for the phone from scratch and optimize every bit of it, and yes the developers here do a lot of work, but they just have to fix what the engineers messed up or modify some files, and with thousands of lines of code, its easy to mess up somewhere. im a chemical engineering major right now, and i dont know anything about computers, but in general engineers are very bright people and probably know what they are doing better than what we do.
though im not a se fanboy (this is my first se product and might be my last) some people need to tone it down. stop ranting against se like theyre the antichrist. this is my first android phone so i was still amazed with my phone even with 1.6. (android 1.6 is waaaaay better than ios 3.0) and after flashing to 2.1 my phone is enough to make my friends agree that my x10 is better than one of our friend's iphone 4 (i wouldnt be so sure of that but when they see me multitasking with widgets, live wallpaper, H connection what evr the hell that is, and removeable parts like batteries, memory, sim, etc. its hard to disagree) i will admit the x10 is nerfed by se but if you wanted a phone that focused more on android rather than custom software you should have done your research. i knew from the begining that my phone was an "android" but with se's "timescape and mediascape" ontop of "1.6" which is outdated. i also read that mt wasnt available and most likely wouldnt be. these are the things that piss people off yet these are the things you always see in online reviews, the research isnt hard. i knew what i was reading before i even knew what the terms fully meant. luckily we have devs to help fix these problems, but as i said earlier once i can upgrade i doubt ill get a se phone again (unless that psphone turns out to be real and stable, that thing looks sweet)
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one think we should thank to the updates is that the price of the device that had dropped very down, maybe getting up right now.
so we have:
android 2.1,
1ghz,
4 inches
and
MT coming soon.
Try to catch a phone with those features with less than 360 bucks on ebay, only the X10.
I was thinking to getting the droid 2 GSM when it comes out, but now I really like my phone with those new things.
And the upcoming android 2.2 will be very welcome among us
SE works hard to make their devices with a pleasant experience, just like apple do with their iphones that have the best out-of-the-box experience among smartphone. even if Sony doesn't have the best state of the art technology on the world of android, we cannot deny that the UI has been carefully finished.
and btw, the x10 with 2.1 is among the best battery life GSM android phones right now, just ask someone who owns a Evo 4G about battery life and you will get it
Note: the H up there means HSDPA, which is commonly known as 3.5G for internet access, sometimes it will go to 3G again because of low signal or very congested network
I love the update game and hope it continues since it feels like I have a new phone every time a big update comes out. I find it incredible that people complain about SE keeping the promise they made to support the phone for 2 years.
The new SE Xperia Arc looks good.
Opinions on which one you would choose...
Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.
They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.
Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think
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i got rid of my SEx10 for my DHD, now the wait for the 2.1 upgrade for my X10 was well worth it but , i think im going to stick to my DHD for the time being as the ARC would be good should you want an upgrade
Sony means good hardware and horrible software support. By the time Gingerbread was releasing they were finally getting around to updating the X10 to Eclair.
If you are ok with being stuck with the same software version for the next two years I'd say go Sony.
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The Arc looks like a great handset but Sony (along with Samsung and LG in my experience) seem to have a history of failing to support their phones as soon as new ones come out... so personally I'd rule it out because of that.
Still, who needs manufacturer support when we have XDA
I had to get rid of my X10 too, i would not recommend getting an SE phone, at least not at launch.
The x10 was a joke. (Although still the best looking phone ive seen to date)
i have to be honest the Arc was tempting me. It looks absolutely awesome, it has HDMI out which i really wish the DHD could have, and it has this really hyped up camera technology which is great for low light photos i hear (SE cameras are great in general). Also people are praising the screen which is using bravia technology.
But alas, sony's really poor support with software, and thir god aweful ui on their phones is keeping me from getting one. I hear the X10 still doesnt have custom roms on it yet. that's another major drawback for it imo.
I'll be sticking with HTC for now.
Having only just got rid of the x10, i feel sony was a really big let down....custom roms are only just turning up, unlocking the bootloader looks to be very long way away. and the kernel which at this mo can still not be flashed and is holding what could of been a great phone back.Not many Devs working on the handset so it will take longer.
Sony are ment to have good cameras but the x10 was ok ish..
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Personally I will never again buy a Sony Ericsson phone. Ever! Not after the debacle that was the X10.
They have a horrible habit of messing the software up in a big way and then taking ages - if at all - to fix it.
Nah, I'll definitely stick with my DHD I think
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Exactly what I was thinking.
I mean don't get me wrong the X12 looks amzing and feature packed but after what happened to the X10 I don't think I can trust SE again with software updates.
There have been a lot of cool phones been announced at CES but tbh no other manufacturer has made a phone that I personally would want to buy, i'm stuck on HTC! I am really happy with the desire HD!
The main reason for xda exsisted was HTC phones, no other phones gets as much support dev wise, that why I always buy HTC, of course they great hardware and experience. Samsung come a close 2nd these days.
But Sony Arc and even LG Star might look like great phones but with no community support, they are dead in my eyes.
The only other phone I'd consider which isn't HTC or Sammy would be Atrix the new moto phone, but then again moto in Europe has poor support, and they tend have stupid bootloader.
i have a contract up in april and i think i will get the LG star the screen looks so good and a good battery music to my ears
also just incase you think i am anti HTC i have DHD my wife has desire and my little girl has my old HD2 running cm7 gingerbread on nand.
i dumped my x10 after their growing debate on multi touch and its poor battery life
ever since i gotten my DHD i'm so pleased i finally got HTC sense + the HTC keyboard that i didn't need to hack to get
don't think i'll switch back unless the arc has a better battery, i'm not too pleased with my DHD's battery
My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).
I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.
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My wife will be getting the Arc on release as if she got a DHD she would always be confusing hers for mine (as she tends to lose hers a few times a day!).
I'm looking forward to having a play on it. I doubt very much it'd be worth an upgrade from a DHD, but for people on a Desire or below it might be worth a shout. Wife is still on a Hero, so should be a nice big upgrade for her.
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Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.
However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed. I for one am confident that we will get official Gingerbread with HTC sense this quarter and it wouldn't surprise me if the Desire got it in short order too.
As for X12 users they may well be stuck on Gingerbread forever. That wouldn't be a bad thing because its hard fault Gingerbread it feels like the coming of age for Android to me but when Honeycomb comes I will want it even if the new features don't change the way I use my phone on a daily basis, only because I am a geek and want new features to play with.
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Until Sony releasing an android walkman, am sticking to desire HD
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Especially true if she isn't an uber geek like most of us are. Normal people aren't overly concerned about being stuck on, say Eclair, if Eclair is providing for them the functionality they require.
However if you know about these forums and frequent them I will bet money you are not a normal user so in that case the X12 is still a bit of a gamble for reasons already discussed.
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Yeah, exactly. She won't even let me root her phone so I can put FroYo on it! She even refused to put the OTA to 2.1 on until I begged her as it would fix the things she was moaning about!
So I think the Arc will probably be ideal for her. I'm sticking to my S-OFF, Rooted DHD though
There is a video of the arcs UI in action in engadget and let's just say Sony is still bad with software it looks very slow and lags a bit in the video. I guess don't might work it out before release but the if the x10 is any thing to go buy then I would advise to stay away from the arc.
Imo Sony and any compact for that matter would sell loads more units if they would just put stock android builds on their devices as it stands only HTC sense seems decent and even then I'd prefer stock
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I will not buy a SonyEricsson any time soon again...
I have my X10 lying in a drawer only as a toy, and spare phone...
The fact that Sonyericsson is lightyears behind HTC with firmware and other software, and the fact that they abandon a device like the flagship x10 after only 8 month on the marked, speak for it self...
And when they say that the new ARC is 4 times faster than the old x10, they hide the fact that the x10 also could be more than 4 times faster with optimized and new firmware...! the xda devs have proved that already...
Sonyericsson say they never will update the x10 to android 2,3 or even to 2,2, as they say that the users will gain nothing from that...
So x10 will be stuck on android 2,1...
And ARC users need to expect the same will happen to them also, don't expect to get newer firmware than what you buy the phone with...
The ARC don't even have dualcore, that many other manufacturs are planning to send out now...
I will personal NOT buy it, I would look at the LG X2 or wait for HTC to send out new handsets...
Buy a Sonyericsson and expect to get ****ed by them...
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Never buy or wait for a smartphone from SE. it is simply not worth it.
they promise you whatever you want to hear/read but they fail to deliver in all categories. i bought a p990i and and xperia-x1 and the story is always the same: first they announce a model, then they move the release over and over again up to 6-12 months. they rarely make more then 1 update/hotfix. they fail to upgrade the OS in a reasonable time (if they even consider it). they drop support on phones pretty fast.
service, support and updates: FAIL
i did observe this on: p990i, p1, x1, x10 ...
they even released android 1.6 phones in the US after most other companys switched to frojo ...
-QuadWord
Dual cures core phones are not exciting me much at all. They are worthless until there is an Android os which is optimized for them, and apps won't benefit until they are optimized for dual core.
Just like when the first 64 bit desktop cpu came out. Most people were still using 32 bit os on them until very recently because most software was and still is 32 bit anyway.
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I am not bashing or being a fan boy etc. to anyone.. being a tech lover and loving the xda community, this thread is about being open minded and discussing past experiences and taking decisions accordingly, not burning our hands again..
Friends,
The idea of this thread is to outline significant practical reasons on why to move ahead with Sony Xperia Z rather than samsung devices..for a lot of the viewers who are waiting etc.
I have been seeing a lot of view points on why we should go for sony and not samsung anymore.. but personally.. I have used all samsung galaxy flagships over the years, and I keep getting dissapointed.. and this time I finally had a realization that its time to move to better companies who really are serious about what they are creating and who listen to their customers and the community. So I have outlined a few quotes and reasons from elite recognised devs to users with their experiences below. If you have any pointers you would like me to add, please feel free.
Entropy512 said:
It's sad how many sheep are falling for Samsung's misleading "Octa" marketing which (falsely) implies that the device has 8 cores of equal capability.
IT DOES NOT.
It is a quad core device, with four additional low-power cores. More proper marketing would be 4+4 (kind of like Nvidia's 4+1 marketing).
There's also no benefit to having four low-power cores... In any situation where you'd drop to the lowpower cores, you'll also be hotplugging out all of the extra cores. A single low-power core will provide nearly all of the power reduction benefits of a full set of low-power cores. Yes, it'll be easier to handle migration in software - but it's throwing a pile of hardware resources (hardware cost) at a software problem to make up for Samsung's utterly ****ty track record with regards to software integration and quality control. Heck, look at ICS on the I9100 - they couldn't even get basic cpufreq policy limit implementation right with that release!
Samsung's architecture doesn't handle asymmetric core loading well at all. If you have one core maxed out, and want to run some light tasks on a second core - guess what, you have to light up that second core and run it at full tilt. Samsung has a whitepaper that claims this is a good thing, but if you look at their architecture closely (check the cpuidle driver in arch/arm/mach-exynos of their kernels...) you'll notice a nasty flaw - All of the deeper cpuidle states are disabled if more than one core is active. This means that the second core is consuming almost as much power as if it were running at 100% load even if it might only be running at 10% load. Snapdragon can actually reduce the clock/voltage of additional cores that are active but lightly loaded.
Of course, the most important thing is software integration - absolutely awesome hardware means nothing if the software supporting it is ****. Look at the Galaxy Nexus - Thanks to Google and TI doing a great job of integrating the "Project Butter" capabilities of Jellybean, the Galaxy Nexus delivers smoother UI performance with a dual 1.2 GHz Cortex-A9 than the GS3 can with quad 1.4 GHz A9s...
That is what you will get with the Galaxy S4 - Awesome hardware paired with utterly crap software, leading to an overall crap experience. With the Xperia Z, you'll get great hardware paired with great software - for an overall great experience.
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If you love development and love open source, sony is the way to go, (also the chipset being similar to the nexus 4 ) not just amazing hardware but their developer relations team is amazing! they would be extending support to developer and community here at xda. Unlike samsung which uses cheap materials and does not have a real aesthetic taste with industrial design, their software department is really in a mess. They never releases driver binaries. Most of their code is outdated and has bugs. and lately each device software or upgrade comes with brickable bugs and security issues.
Those who are looking for hardware.. technology will keep becoming more compact and billion times powerful every month now, its exponential growth, so if we keep waiting for the next and the next, we will also be stuck in a loop of waiting. By the time s4 is announce, sony or htc would announce an even better phone.. so we would love to wait for that.. it is endless.
So the idea is to go for a device you instantly love, and not wait.. and go for a device where the OEM gives fantastic developer support!
how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?
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cloud9x said:
how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?
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Because Samsung didnt provide needed sources, same story was on SGS2 and is now on SGS3. Samsung promised them with deadline end of 2012, but as far as I know, sources wasnt released. Because of that, CM development on SGS3 has almost stopped and question is if SGS4 will get CM support. On other side, according to devs Sony support dev community, provide sources, so they can build more stable roms in much shorter time. That is a reason why I will try Xperia Z - hardware is good enough, looks very premium and I expect much better development on it.
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cloud9x said:
how does one make a topic like this when the s4 isn't even out
i don't understand it
like is the fanboyism and anti-fanboyism within android communities this bad? that we can't even talk about one new phone coming out without talking about another one that you have no idea about whatsoever?
like really. the topic is called 'top reasons to get the xperia z instead of s4'
the s4 doesn't exist yet, is a starter. you don't know anything about it, is another. you have not even the slightest semblance as to what it could be like is yet another. the rest of the list kind of goes on in the same fashion.
why not wait for the s4 to be announced before making a trollbait thread like this?
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I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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Absolutely mate. its not about being a fan boy or not liking a company or something. I use apple, windows and android products.. and i love all of them..
I love technology and I love android and its open source environment.
The idea is so educate and make others aware of my or our experiences with samsung.. and I don't want others to go through the same experiences and pain which we have gone through.
Samsung is really bad with its development friendliness.. they are highly closed sourced and even if they release any sources, are very "buggy". They don't care about the development community .. all they care is selling as much as possible..
a lot of the users here might not know the issues samsung has towards development.. they don't care about anything.. just releasing phones in quantity and not focusing on quality.
The idea is to just let others know about the cores, and development status of samsung, after all people spend money and get dissapointed instantly.
The reason im definitely going for sony is, that CM and aokp upbringing is so quick and sony developer relation team is very friendly and supportive.. http://developer.sonymobile.com/
dont we love having the latest and greatest of android?
its always an issue with samsung in that case.
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Because Samsung didnt provide needed sources, same story was on SGS2 and is now on SGS3. Samsung promised them with deadline end of 2012, but as far as I know, sources wasnt released. Because of that, CM development on SGS3 has almost stopped and question is if SGS4 will get CM support. On other side, according to devs Sony support dev community, provide sources, so they can build more stable roms in much shorter time. That is a reason why I will try Xperia Z - hardware is good enough, looks very premium and I expect much better development on it.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.
cloud9x said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.
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everything is opensource gralloc, hwcomposer etc.. it doesnt even have working butter and some things are not working well too
its the genius of devs like entropy and codeworkx which made that happen but they are tired and unhappy of samsung not supporting them..
AlainDee said:
I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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Totally!
Please elaborate
b00gieMan_droid said:
Will copy paste same reply that i just posted on Another thread..
1) Sony is pathetic when it comes to warranty and policies not just in the country i live but around the world
2) I laugh at people considering Sony as a company producing good looking phones.. May be u think so about samsung coz you're some designer or wannabe designer kissing ass looking looking for dream job.. Sony had some of the best designs only while it was Sony Ericsson.. But not after it became xperia.
3) Again, built quality of Sony isn't great either! May be their exterior phone housing is, but their components suck. Samsung is cheap plastic outside but solid quality components inside.. Which is what matters.
4) Stop being ridiculous and stop bashing samsung for not being developer friendly.. If you want that then go for nexus phone.. As simple as that.
Samsung is SLOW, yes.. BUT it's not impossible. Also one can't blame manufacturers for updates when Google is raining new os or updates. If u dont know why am saying this then you don't even deserve to use a non nexus device. I do blame samsung for being retard about their bugs and issues and what not...
Last but not the least.. Sony display suck a#& big time.. Their brava and bright engine is just cheap gimmick. I have xperia s with me right now. Their camera also suck specially while doing hd recording. Yet to see z in person, which should happen soon for me
Can't say much about Sgs4 coz its pointless to waste time on it atm.
Yes samsung was ridiculously cheap quality.. But their built on note2 is quite sturdy and strong. Have an s3 and note2 in the house next to mine and I've seen note 2 bashed by small kid while playing games on it and it's freaking rock solid.
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Not to mention the hardware features that samsung provides at the price which Sony fails big time. Same with other brands Other than Sony.
Am Here not a fan boy of samsung or any brand.
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Could you please elaborate on your past experiences with Sony mobile ? I have not owned a Sony mobile so I cant say anything. I am as much interested in this product as the next guy and I would not want to drop my hard-earned cash on something which is gonna conk in 1 year. Although, I own a Sony LED TV, PS3, PS2 among others and they have been pretty much solid.
There's already another thread talking about those 2 phones.
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I have a question for those who have had Sony devices in the past.
I have heard it is nice and easy to unlock the bootloader on Sony phones.
Now is this the HTC style of unlock where some things are unlocked but others are not?
Also is it easy to do on a branded phone? If I get this phone it will likely be Three branded.
Thanks
cloud9x said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1778270 - the 10k reply CM10-10.1 thread on d2att forums.
The I9300 might have stopped development (having been an Exynos phone) but CM development is very well and happy with the i747. Developer support all comes down to yes, the ease of development but also how popular the phone itself is.
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Your example was a Qualcomm-based device. The reason d2att is in good shape has NOTHING to do with Samsung and EVERYTHING to do with Qualcomm. Now that Qualcomm is selling baseband chips that don't require a Qualcomm host CPU, you're far less likely to ever see a Qualcomm-based Samsung flagship again.
Brac20 said:
I have a question for those who have had Sony devices in the past.
I have heard it is nice and easy to unlock the bootloader on Sony phones.
Now is this the HTC style of unlock where some things are unlocked but others are not?
Also is it easy to do on a branded phone? If I get this phone it will likely be Three branded.
Thanks
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If your device is SIM-locked, it will almost surely NOT have an unlockable bootloader.
If it is branded but not SIMlocked it might have an unlockable bootloader.
dreamerAxe said:
Could you please elaborate on your past experiences with Sony mobile ? I have not owned a Sony mobile so I cant say anything. I am as much interested in this product as the next guy and I would not want to drop my hard-earned cash on something which is gonna conk in 1 year. Although, I own a Sony LED TV, PS3, PS2 among others and they have been pretty much solid.
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I own an X8 which its still in good shape even after some serious drops. My father`s samsung galaxy s plus never dropped it on solid stuff ,only on carpet and that shiny cover around the phone scratches and sounds like s**t . Both phones bought new with warranty so no second hand
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I will more than likely buy both the Z (if its avail in Canada) and the S4 but if Sony locks the bootloader it will make me think twice. I bought an ION over Xmas to use a back up phone and have some fun with only to find out I cant unlock the bootloader..I havent even taken it out of the box yet..no point lol and I will probably just dump it for cheap.
Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.
AlainDee said:
I kind of agree with you but I also agree with androidindian... I am now about 2 and a half years with Android and had 2 Samsung phones... They just are bad: non quality materials, bad support for developers and they take too long to update and when they do its mostly bad aswell... I agree that we can't talk bad or good about a phone that isn't even out yet but I can imagine that Samsung will not do a better job it did before^^
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I agree with Alain, well I guess Samsung get's too overly populated since it's the world's widest company and they couldnt handle all of the costumer's feedback, updates etc but I think they're trying to cope up coz I can't wait for the S4. I think it's going to be a great catch. Sony is also good, especially it's now starting to have great features than before. Well, let's see what happens this year
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Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.
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samsung updated s2, note to jb but they have postponed the updates each month from november onwards.
plus their software quality is really full of bugs. brick bugs, security exploits etc. really bad quality
i would always prefer them taking more time and not have such serious bugs atleast, even after leaking roms beforehand..
sony might have taken time before, but their os quality is really good!
also.. their developer relations team and support for cm and xda devs is just too good!
samsung doesn't even want to listen to developers..
androidindian said:
samsung updated s2, note to jb but they have postponed the updates each month from november onwards.
plus their software quality is really full of bugs. brick bugs, security exploits etc. really bad quality
i would always prefer them taking more time and not have such serious bugs atleast, even after leaking roms beforehand..
sony might have taken time before, but their os quality is really good!
also.. their developer relations team and support for cm and xda devs is just too good!
samsung doesn't even want to listen to developers..
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Hmm... I once had a Xperia Neo, which I passed on to my little sis and which I still do the maintainance for...
I have no grim against Sony but I don't share your enthusiasm either. (0% Bug, one-click rooters based on exploids, locked boot loaders,...) .
Time will tell.... I'll wait until all major companys have presented their 2013 flagships.
Entropy512 said:
If your device is SIM-locked, it will almost surely NOT have an unlockable bootloader.
If it is branded but not SIMlocked it might have an unlockable bootloader.
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If I could just get some further clarification here.
If a phone is SIM-locked (as most branded devices are?) and I then pay the carrier to get SIM lock removed, will this free up the bootloader in the process?
harise100 said:
Samsung officially supports their 2011 flagship devices (S2, Note) with Jelly Bean. Sony is still struggling to support even their 2012 devices with Jelly Bean let alone the older ones.
All their support for CM / FXP is not worth a dime if the kernel / drivers don't support the features of the latest Android version. i.e. Project Butter.
So unless I see a drastic change in their firmware update policy, it will be the S4.
That's sad, because I think that the Z is one of the most beautiful phones I've ever seen with great hardware inside.
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Dude, I switched from s3 to TX and Sony's implementation of ics is 100x faster than Samsung's jelly bean. Samsung pushes for quick updates but very buggy and they haven't implemented buttery smooth on crapwiz.
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