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Motorola Cliq

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB4k9EqiWe4
T-Mobile is calling it the "first phone with social skills" because of it's facebook, twitter, and flicker integration. I guess the HTC Hero doesn't count.
But damn, the graphics on Motorola's flavor of Android are effing ugly. Not looking forward to this at all. Makes me appreciate Hero all that much more.

I actually really like the design, colors, and everything about it.
But the real question is, would all the available "Android Development" roms/rooting/themes...etc still work on the Motorola Cliq? Or do we have to wait until someone else makes it possible to root etc. the phone

Wouldn't work, the ways that we have now are htc based and with each new device there would have to be a different way of rooting based on the nature of the beast

Yeah but if you look at the hardware specs of the Cliq arent they practically the same as the HTC android phones...processor wise and what not?

saw this hours ago and im rly rly rly happy i've been a huge fan of motorola, first phone that i have was a c650 and i flashed it 'till it died ( joking ) but then i got a v360 and v3i and they were rly rly nice phones i still got 'em and now a moto v8 and all of this devices are good, not great but good and im rly happy that motorola has finally showed a great phone, with android, his own special ui ( motoblur ) and some really nice specs and im gonna get one of these cliq phones .
btw, sry if i misspelled something u.u or say something in the wrong ways, its just that im from argentina and well i do not speak english every day i speak spanish .

I can't believe you guys like this thing. The widgets look insanely cheeseball compared to the Hero. It's just a standard looking Android OS with some horrible looking widgets.
There is no trackball or call button either, and in the video, it doesn't even appear to run all that fast.
I don't see why this is a "next great move" in Android phones, I'm really disappointed, I expected something so much bigger as Android matures.

gigagrunt said:
Yeah but if you look at the hardware specs of the Cliq arent they practically the same as the HTC android phones...processor wise and what not?
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/10/android-battle-cliq-edition/

vr24 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB4k9EqiWe4
T-Mobile is calling it the "first phone with social skills" because of it's facebook, twitter, and flicker integration. I guess the HTC Hero doesn't count.
But damn, the graphics on Motorola's flavor of Android are effing ugly. Not looking forward to this at all. Makes me appreciate Hero all that much more.
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its the first phone with social skills for tmobile US

be nice to see some of these things incorporated into cyna

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its the first phone with social skills for tmobile US
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While that may be technically true, T-Mobile UK has the Hero.
It's still just kind of lame, overall. It's not faster, still has almost no built in storage, it seems to bring almost nothing to the table other than some poorly designed widgets.
However, I think the real test will be how much it sells for. If T-Mobile gets this in at a $49.99 or less price point, then it's not really that bad. Ultimately I think I'd just like to see a lot more Android phones hitting the hands of users.

trevordbs said:
be nice to see some of these things incorporated into cyna
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Most likely cyan or another dev will port the entire thing over. We won't know until they get their hands on it.
For instance, Cyan can't add the HTC widgets and specific features to the Hero, as they rely on the HTC Framework, which can't be ported to another ROM.
We won't know if Motorola's is as locked down until we have it.
However, the good news is, the specs for the device are the same as the G1 - so it should run perfectly fine on the G1 hardware. Which I guess is kind of nice that we can continue to use our phones for a long time with the latest Android releases

Engadget hands on
I really like how Motorola has gone even further than HTC with social network integration (universal inbox, contact list, etc.). The widgets do look a little disappointing though.
Unfortunately, it looks like it runs a little slow (aren't some hero builds running faster on G1's right now?) but hopefully the software will be optimized when it's actually released.
Now for someone to get a system dump and port to the Dream...

I think this OS is sweet, a nice break from the same things weve been staring at for the past 8 months.
And despite the hate for the widgets, I think they're pretty damn sweet. Whoever was stating that the Hero had issues with its widgets running smoothly with the same specs has to realize that its probably because of how the software was written.
I'm pretty sure Motorola took that into account after hearing the horror stories about HTC.

vr24 said:
While that may be technically true, T-Mobile UK has the Hero.
It's still just kind of lame, overall. It's not faster, still has almost no built in storage, it seems to bring almost nothing to the table other than some poorly designed widgets.
However, I think the real test will be how much it sells for. If T-Mobile gets this in at a $49.99 or less price point, then it's not really that bad. Ultimately I think I'd just like to see a lot more Android phones hitting the hands of users.
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They run as 2 completely separate companies though. (T-Mobile US and T-Mobile UK). Nothing that TMUS does effects the UK and vice versa.
T-Mobile UK is soon to merge with Orange UK... Both of which provide the Hero lol.

Senorkabob said:
I think this OS is sweet, a nice break from the same things weve been staring at for the past 8 months.
And despite the hate for the widgets, I think they're pretty damn sweet. Whoever was stating that the Hero had issues with its widgets running smoothly with the same specs has to realize that its probably because of how the software was written.
I'm pretty sure Motorola took that into account after hearing the horror stories about HTC.
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I agree and it's great that we are finally seeing some different flavours or android... something which makes android so unique, you can pick something different yet experience the same apps etc as everyone else.
I can't wait to see more of Sony Ericsson's interface and no doubt Samsung and LG will be working on their own aswell. I really wish Nokia would get on board though!

brummiesteven said:
I agree and it's great that we are finally seeing some different flavours or android... something which makes android so unique, you can pick something different yet experience the same apps etc as everyone else.
I can't wait to see more of Sony Ericsson's interface and no doubt Samsung and LG will be working on their own aswell. I really wish Nokia would get on board though!
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Nokia's putting out their N900 with Maemo 5 interface. It's coming to T-mo US, and I have to admit... I'm VERY interested! That being said, I love Android and it's a key time for the OS right now. Any broadening of the foundation of the Android footprint is good. Higher end phones will build on that foundation.

Gross! The widgets are ugly and rely on the use of outside sources (facebook, twitter, MYSPACE) who even uses Myspace these days?
This is a good addition if you're interested in being even more creepy with up to the second information about your "friends".
I'm dissapointed.

Nokia's putting out their N900 with Maemo 5 interface. It's coming to T-mo US, and I have to admit... I'm VERY interested! That being said, I love Android and it's a key time for the OS right now. Any broadening of the foundation of the Android footprint is good. Higher end phones will build on that foundation.
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The N900 looks sick... but expect it to be 50000000% more than the Cliq lol

i agree that the widgets look kind of boring but having them up there is up to you.
im getting this phone thought because i got my mytouch for free so i have nothing to lose.

vr24 said:
While that may be technically true, T-Mobile UK has the Hero.
It's still just kind of lame, overall. It's not faster, still has almost no built in storage, it seems to bring almost nothing to the table other than some poorly designed widgets.
However, I think the real test will be how much it sells for. If T-Mobile gets this in at a $49.99 or less price point, then it's not really that bad. Ultimately I think I'd just like to see a lot more Android phones hitting the hands of users.
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actually it is true... tmobile US and tmobile UK are different companies with different plans and offerings. i.e. a lot of tmobile UK smartphones are free under certain circumstances.
and plus the moto cliq supposed to be priced around $99.

Xperia Won't Get Gingerbread (Android 3.0)?

This is just a rumor, so don't chew off my ass if it doesn't pan out (I would really be delighted if I am wrong).
With Android 2.2 Froyo out of the way, Google has already begun developing the next generation Android OS dubbed Android 3.0 Gingerbread which is expected to be released in Q4 2010.
If you are excited about Gingerbread, here is a catch that might make older handset users cringe. According to a French website WebDevOnLinux, Google will be imposing a minimum configuration for running the next release of Android.
The minimum configuration will be a 1GHz processor, 512MB Ram and 3.5 inches or more screen size. This new requirements will mean that older Android handsets will not be able to use Gingerbread unless they root it.
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citsym said:
This is just a rumor, so don't chew off my ass if it doesn't pan out (I would really be delighted if I am wrong).
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How does it affects x10?

Don't think the x10 has the RAM requirements.

by the time SE get around to porting it I'd probably be looking for a replacement phone anyhow. I do only have a 2 year contract.

Yeah, it's a "little" disappointing but the X10 was designed before 3.0 specs ever existed so there's no way they could have known. And at the time, the X10 was one of the most powerful Android spec'd devices announced.
Other than the older Donut OS, I think the Xperia X10 still stands competitively against all these new devices that are being announced.
I think the X10 with 2.2 will be more than good enough and perhaps the next Xperia will be designed for 3.0 out of the box.

well i guess it's a good thing we have root then

Is it not possible that the X10 could in fact have more than 256mb ram? I heard the donut only recognises a maximum of 256mb. I could be very wrong. Also could it not be referring to the ROM of which Xperia X10 has 1Gb. You know, overhall of the OS could demand more storage of the permanent variety

Come on ! No one, including Google, has even discussed Android 3.0 so why push a rumour which has no basis infact ?
Get real...
Would you guys support Windows if Microsoft realeased a new version every 6 months which was not backwards compatible ? Google are falling into the same problems with Android that has dogged Linux for years.
Users just want an OS that works and is incrementally upgradable, we do not want brand new OS's every six months.

Can I also add that RAM has little relevance to the OS.. it is indeed the ROM which is most important.. and clearly the x10 has plenty.

I dont think this will be a burden for xda developers
they got eclair and modded versions of it running the G1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iam guessing even IF this is true it won't affect us that hard. Someone will probably find some sort of ram hack or something.

im_iceman said:
Can I also add that RAM has little relevance to the OS.. it is indeed the ROM which is most important.. and clearly the x10 has plenty.
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Also, Xperia X10 CAN get Gingerbread because it has around 400 MB of ram, and if there is more needed, it can use converted memory stick space like the G1 did.

That is what I thought

instigator008 said:
Don't think the x10 has the RAM requirements.
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Yeah. X10 has 384 MB RAM.
As everyone else said, the RAM requirement doesn't make much sense, even if Google is going to put on a heavy duty skin on Gingerbread (come on, UXP is already pretty heavy and X10 can handle that).

citsym said:
Yeah. X10 has 384 MB RAM.
As everyone else said, the RAM requirement doesn't make much sense, even if Google is going to put on a heavy duty skin on Gingerbread (come on, UXP is already pretty heavy and X10 can handle that).
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That is true - we'll I'm not counting on SE to release it, so we'll have to port the next version of Android to the X10.
But these are rumours, by the way, so we don't know what'll happen officially.

The x10 is getting 2.1, and thats good enough for me. And for all we know, 3.0 may be unstable when it comes out so another company can use it on their new phone first.
It will be fine for now, and in a year or so, SE will come out with another phone, the X15 or something with a similar name and it will be lots of money and we can buy that one too. Then rooting will start all over again, then SE will be slow at updating it to 3.5, and all this will go on and on. But in the end, we are happy with what we have now. And look, I just keep rambling so I'll stop now.

Darthhister said:
The x10 is getting 2.1, and thats good enough for me. And for all we know, 3.0 may be unstable when it comes out so another company can use it on their new phone first.
It will be fine for now, and in a year or so, SE will come out with another phone, the X15 or something with a similar name and it will be lots of money and we can buy that one too. Then rooting will start all over again, then SE will be slow at updating it to 3.5, and all this will go on and on. But in the end, we are happy with what we have now. And look, I just keep rambling so I'll stop now.
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I think you are right! We have to accept that our phones won't be the best phone forever! However it's hard to accept that, we should be grateful of what our phone can!!

I've no doubt Gingerbread will boast many great features.
However Froyo would be enough for me on this thing. I really want flash capability on this device. It would have been really handy at work whilst the world cup matches were on.
The speed increase and tethering and hotspot abilities would be appreciated too (i am aware of the market apps for tethering).
I think by the time gingerbread rolls out and becomes the main player I'd be ready for a new handset anyway.

LOL its funny how the poster generalized the whole Xperia won't be getting 3.0. Do u not think SE will have something up for it the end of the year?

unknown13x said:
LOL its funny how the poster generalized the whole Xperia won't be getting 3.0. Do u not think SE will have something up for it the end of the year?
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They'll just be gearing up to launch their latest range of android 2.2 devices!
These guys sound like there going to be at least 1 version behind each time for the sake of that UXP.

cashaw said:
Come on ! No one, including Google, has even discussed Android 3.0 so why push a rumour which has no basis infact ?
Get real...
Would you guys support Windows if Microsoft realeased a new version every 6 months which was not backwards compatible ? Google are falling into the same problems with Android that has dogged Linux for years.
Users just want an OS that works and is incrementally upgradable, we do not want brand new OS's every six months.
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Totally agree with you. Why do you guys buy Rachael when you know fully well it's 1.6?
I don't see why one would wanna buy 1.6 and whine about not having the latest OS.
It's bad enough alot of people are still having delusions about 2.2, despite Sony Ericsson announcing that 2.1 will be the next update.
Now 3.0 -__-
Some are even desperate enough to try hack it.
Seriously why not just get a Nexus One or something?

Keep it or Switch it.

Hey Guys.
Might be flamed for this, but at this point in time I don´t really care.
Im SO tired of this 1.6 even after the small update and the rooting, im tired of not being able to install programs not supporting 1.6 anymore, tired of not being able to update programs for the same reason.
Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
When is the 2.1 update comming, and why is it not 2.1, SE is so slow.
The X10 is probarbly the only phone on the marked STILL running 1.6 i mean WTF.
im selling my X10 and getting the HTC Desire, will throw the 2.2 on it, and im sure it will make me more happy
How is it with other X10 users ?

just go ahead. im happy with X10 and waiting for upgrade to 2.1 in my opinion, Desire is too ugly to hold. everyone has different perception of a cellphone. so it is meaningless to ask for others' comment.
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I wish you all the best and hope you find true happiness.

I guess you haven't been watching the dev forum soooo peace.

You should own what makes you happy. I am frustrated too for SE slowness with updating but nothing out there is as sweet as X10 in looks, comfort, and sexiness to my taste. Not even close. So, I am happy to be stuck with this beast.
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well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.

iom_jack said:
well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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I Can´t agree with you more m8, the X10 is by far one of the best looking phones out there.
I think the saying goes, Newer Judge A Book By It´s Cover

torzo said:
Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
When is the 2.1 update comming, and why is it not 2.1, SE is so slow.
The X10 is probarbly the only phone on the marked STILL running 1.6 i mean WTF.
How is it with other X10 users ?
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I can't be bothered to look it up, but...
1) Live wallpaper? Really? That's what you're upset about?
2) I don't think SE has announced several times, on multiple websites and press releases that 2.1 is coming Q3 (around September). They haven't announced it at all.
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
As for me? Best phone I've ever used. Every time I use my friend's iPhone 4, I get happy once I grab my X10. My Blackberry never was this nice. Even my insane high-end Japanese cell phone that I could use as a credit card, train ticket, and television with a 10MP camera, true flash, and HD recording isn't as nice as the X10. I'm happy, and I can certainly wait a month or two for 2.1.

iom_jack said:
well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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+ Desire is not useable in sunlight

iead1 said:
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
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Haha well said and 2.1 update was to come in Q4, BUT now it's coming in Q3.

Oh great another whaaaaaaaaaaaaa thread!
Good luck with that OP.

Are You Mental...........
Well thats an interesting question, of course its a choice of personal preferance, but just look at the X10...............damn good looking handset, but if superficial attraction isnt your thing then i suggest trying it out, mine does everything i ask of it, used to have battery issues but since i updated to RB020 it isnt a problem, hit the 90 hour mark before needing to plug in for a recharge and that was with moderate usage calls and text and some facebucket, most are complaining about the 3g sucking the battery but i believe they are forgetting that these mobiles arent designed for web fanatics and their social websites, if you want to sit allday on your web get a laptop, as far as on the go communication goes its perfect, and with the update fast approahing it will only get better, the camera is sweet as it gives clear and detailed images, ok the call volume sucks if you are in a noisy enviroment but ive been using my handsfree so no problem, sensititvity is spot on, and of course it looks excellent............

+1 on that Andiiboy

1. Im SO tired of this 1.6 even after the small update and the rooting,
2.im tired of not being able to install programs not supporting 1.6 anymore,
3.tired of not being able to update programs for the same reason.
4.Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
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1.Learn java/android and help the dev team with the 2.1/2.2 FW
2.Learn java/android and make the app compatible with your version
3.Learn java/android and write your own programs, or better yet wait for app inventor.
4.OMG I to want to sit and watch live wallpaper!!
X10 definetely has the potential to be great and the true fans will stick it out. So if your looking for reasons to stay you will not get one from me. I think you have already made up your mind so I think the saying goes "Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya"

Just wait once 2.1 comes out its going to be one of the best 2.1 android out there.....
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iead1 said:
I can't be bothered to look it up, but...
1) Live wallpaper? Really? That's what you're upset about?
2) I don't think SE has announced several times, on multiple websites and press releases that 2.1 is coming Q3 (around September). They haven't announced it at all.
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
As for me? Best phone I've ever used. Every time I use my friend's iPhone 4, I get happy once I grab my X10. My Blackberry never was this nice. Even my insane high-end Japanese cell phone that I could use as a credit card, train ticket, and television with a 10MP camera, true flash, and HD recording isn't as nice as the X10. I'm happy, and I can certainly wait a month or two for 2.1.
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mind show me how yours insane high end cell phone look like?
Anyhow, why get a desire. Isn;t Evo 4g the highest tier of HTC that is out in he market.
for OP: Just don't come back crying to us when our x10 can shoot laser beams and call in Godzilla to step on those Iphone users and use the "FORCE".

If you get a new iphone 4 you will get a free case/bumper.....

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If you get a new iphone 4 you will get a free case/bumper.....
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But there is no reception problem with the phone, it's just a software error. If Jobs said so then it must be true.
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heeelllooooo
Iphone 4 not a hardware problem but software......................well apparently, and im quoting the guys at apple, its not just a software problem but a hardware problem, they have admitted that the phone is beset with problems and has been since its conception, do yourself a favour dont waste your money, get an X10 and have the sweetest looking handset out, forget about the bad press as all these little foibles that the buyers have been grumbling about (you cant please *****es) as these will be sorted and a good few of them have been already, pretty soon we will be getting Android 2.1 (with a few added pleasures curtesy of SE, as Android 1.6 isnt a standard Android 1.6, its a customized SE version of Android so im speculating that when 2.1 comes it too will have that extra SE vava voom) and lets not forget the added bazinga bonus of having HD photo and video capture (a real bonus for all the homemade porn directors muhahahaha) so stop the grumbling pleeeeeaaaase, Iphone sux and X10 rocks, just hold on for a little while (and since most of you have waited longer for some action from your girlfriends) it will be over in a flash but worth the wait!!!!! muhahahahaha

Sony ericsson likes the update game

we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game

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we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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If they are updating the OS frequently it only shows how they care for their device and want it to be better in my opinion.
Why does it bother you if they are working on an update?
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Versus the non-update game SE typically does?
I'm fine with them improving our phones. Bring it on SE!

Btw there isn't an update in December....that was pushed to "early 2011" and my guess is that multitouch will be included in that update

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that was pushed to "early 2011"
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I think the update comming out to SEUS 31/03-11 (The day before the 4. Quarter)

Maybe Sony Ericsson dont have lots os programmers, and they are not good enough to do the things before the others, the Android 1.6 are ver good costumized by SE, but there are things that needs to be programmed, like:
- Multitouch (driver)
- 16M colors (driver)
- Audio (actual driver is very bad)
- Android 2.2 (costumize and optimize to X10)

I would rather say that they have very good cryptographic team, because that is from what I can see, the best they have on their hardware.

The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there

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The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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Cool! Its been a while since we've heard from you
Any idea what the other features are? (*hint* - froyo ? )

Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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Tjotte said:
I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".

jayluke said:
The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.

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Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?

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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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There's a lot of hate for SE, but as long as they try to improve the SE experience for those with SE phones, I'm happy. Could they be doing better? Just enabling MT for the X10 is so much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe it's because I had a Nokia as my last phone that I'm happy with any substantial improvement in the OS, haha.
I forgot where I read it, but the turnaround time from new OS to handset is roughly 4 months (it used to be nearly 12 months). Froyo (2.2) came out in May and it's only been in the last couple months where handsets have been getting 2.2. The exception is the N1, but then again, that was sold as a phone for enthusiasts (and pretty much what they're using to test it on). When Gingerbread (2.3) comes out, you can expect at least another 4 months before it gets pushed OTA (besides the N1 and the NS). As they learn Android, I'm sure they'll be faster in issuing updates. Motorola was (and sometimes is) pretty slow in pushing updates for their phones but now they're cranking it out.
In regards to multi-touch... Did they ever say resistive? They were up front when they said it wasn't going to have MT. Yeah, but I agree they should have had it on the X10 in the first place. The N1 didn't have MT at first and they were quick to add it. Nexus One's MT is the same as the future X10 MT. They both are designed for pinch to zoom applications, its a limitation found in the hardware. Games will work but it will have the same multi-touch limitations as the N1. And of course - phones that have just come out have better multitouch... they're newer phones based on newer chipsets which use newer technologies.

I dont get the big idea about MT, its not a big thing, hardly use it on my wildfire.
In regards to the x10 launched with 1.6 for me it was running better than any other device with 2.1 on there. Touch wood but ive never had any problems apart from the in ear volume. So what if the value has dropped. Its the sentimental value that counts.
I praise the devs for their hardwork. Also SE...however i will say Rikard and SE need to get off their fat arses and stop delaying everything.
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rvictorg said:
Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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i think ur taking it too far man...personally i think 1.6 was pretty good and after i updated to 2.1 i was very pleased. the updating was easy and i easily restored my contacts using the default backup and restore app
the battery life on the x10 is incredible, consitently get about 2 full days of regular usage(surfing net before classes, a little talking, some txting and listening to 1-2 hrs of music everyday). while my friend with the iphone 4 complains about terrible battery and dropped calls(he has a case too!)
the phone looks very nice and feels solid, the software isn't "buggy" i haven't had any problems with it at all(no root or anything btw). and the 2.1 version is soo smooth and looks very nice compared to say a stock android 2.1. people complain about mediascape and timescape, but personally i love them timescape doesn't use too much cpu if u disable the services (like txt, email, fb, etc) and mediascape is miles ahead of android in media playing ability.
and just to remind you, those engineers are working very hard, remember they have to develop the software for the phone from scratch and optimize every bit of it, and yes the developers here do a lot of work, but they just have to fix what the engineers messed up or modify some files, and with thousands of lines of code, its easy to mess up somewhere. im a chemical engineering major right now, and i dont know anything about computers, but in general engineers are very bright people and probably know what they are doing better than what we do.

though im not a se fanboy (this is my first se product and might be my last) some people need to tone it down. stop ranting against se like theyre the antichrist. this is my first android phone so i was still amazed with my phone even with 1.6. (android 1.6 is waaaaay better than ios 3.0) and after flashing to 2.1 my phone is enough to make my friends agree that my x10 is better than one of our friend's iphone 4 (i wouldnt be so sure of that but when they see me multitasking with widgets, live wallpaper, H connection what evr the hell that is, and removeable parts like batteries, memory, sim, etc. its hard to disagree) i will admit the x10 is nerfed by se but if you wanted a phone that focused more on android rather than custom software you should have done your research. i knew from the begining that my phone was an "android" but with se's "timescape and mediascape" ontop of "1.6" which is outdated. i also read that mt wasnt available and most likely wouldnt be. these are the things that piss people off yet these are the things you always see in online reviews, the research isnt hard. i knew what i was reading before i even knew what the terms fully meant. luckily we have devs to help fix these problems, but as i said earlier once i can upgrade i doubt ill get a se phone again (unless that psphone turns out to be real and stable, that thing looks sweet)
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one think we should thank to the updates is that the price of the device that had dropped very down, maybe getting up right now.
so we have:
android 2.1,
1ghz,
4 inches
and
MT coming soon.
Try to catch a phone with those features with less than 360 bucks on ebay, only the X10.
I was thinking to getting the droid 2 GSM when it comes out, but now I really like my phone with those new things.
And the upcoming android 2.2 will be very welcome among us
SE works hard to make their devices with a pleasant experience, just like apple do with their iphones that have the best out-of-the-box experience among smartphone. even if Sony doesn't have the best state of the art technology on the world of android, we cannot deny that the UI has been carefully finished.
and btw, the x10 with 2.1 is among the best battery life GSM android phones right now, just ask someone who owns a Evo 4G about battery life and you will get it
Note: the H up there means HSDPA, which is commonly known as 3.5G for internet access, sometimes it will go to 3G again because of low signal or very congested network

I love the update game and hope it continues since it feels like I have a new phone every time a big update comes out. I find it incredible that people complain about SE keeping the promise they made to support the phone for 2 years.

2.3 on Archos Gen8

Possible or not possible ?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=931857

Maybe with UrukDroid
I think it would be better to ask UrukDroid's developers if they could implement Gingerbread... Do we have all the drivers for the Gen8's hardware?

Moved to general as not android development

Gah, I want Gingerbread so bad I'm almost tempted to try and run that but I know it probably won't work at all, I haven't seen much talk about the Gen8's with Cyanogen.

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Gah, I want Gingerbread so bad I'm almost tempted to try and run that but I know it probably won't work at all, I haven't seen much talk about the Gen8's with Cyanogen.[/QUOTE
Any reason why? I didn't think it offered anything particularly groundbreaking. Certainly a lot less than 2.1 > 2.2 was
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I agree...why do you want it so bad? Personally, I'm fine with Froyo, but would love a Honeycomb upgrade (if it would even run on these things).

ExploreMN said:
I agree...why do you want it so bad? Personally, I'm fine with Froyo, but would love a Honeycomb upgrade (if it would even run on these things).
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The thing I like the most with 2.3 is that it in the future will get sony playstation game application. But since it havn't hit the market jet, I am very pleased with 2.2. And by the time sony releases it, we will probably have 2.3 in some way.

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Any reason why? I didn't think it offered anything particularly groundbreaking. Certainly a lot less than 2.1 > 2.2 was
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Honestly I'm just the type of person that likes to always have the latest software. Any bug fix and any new feature is better having than not having, even if I won't use it. Just personal choice. Also as mentioned earlier too the Playstation thing would rock ;P

PotentChili said:
Honestly I'm just the type of person that likes to always have the latest software. Any bug fix and any new feature is better having than not having, even if I won't use it. Just personal choice. Also as mentioned earlier too the Playstation thing would rock ;P
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I doubt a port from the playstation phone to other Android phones would work due to the amount of physical buttons available on the PSPhone.
However, always happy to be proven wrong (especially in this case )
EDIT: I would like to see 2.3 on the Archos, just installed in on my phone, and it is pretty nice. As others have said there are not many new bits available, mostly cosmetic, but always nice to be up-to-date.
As others have said too, I would prefer Honeycomb instead, as that is designed for tablets, or at least with tablets in mind.

thefunkaygibbon said:
I doubt a port from the playstation phone to other Android phones would work due to the amount of physical buttons available on the PSPhone.
However, always happy to be proven wrong (especially in this case )
EDIT: I would like to see 2.3 on the Archos, just installed in on my phone, and it is pretty nice. As others have said there are not many new bits available, mostly cosmetic, but always nice to be up-to-date.
As others have said too, I would prefer Honeycomb instead, as that is designed for tablets, or at least with tablets in mind.
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The WiiMote classic controller has just as many buttons as the Playstation, just saying
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=672884

You know we will get it. I have faith in Archos.
Look how many updates they have pushed out since initial release. (just too many to list out)
As long as they continue to sell Gen8, we will get our updates. Be it Gingerbread or HoneyComb.
Honeycomb seems to be most interesting on Gen8 as it goes with Soft Button, same implement as Archos did to Gen8. I was so happy to hear Andy from Google announce that they are finished with buttons as he previewed the Xoom (unannounced then)
Unless.... they start selling Gen9. (which is very unlikely due to such a high success of Gen8)
So we will have a year of updates coming to Gen8

Platform
The most important problem is the platform I think, bus there aren'r a lot of changes from API 8 to 9