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Nexus One. We're being phased out, and quickly.

NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore. Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis. I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that, and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users. Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special. I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
Simply, I absolutely LOVE my Nexus One, but i feel like it is not getting the support it deserves, and i DO NOT want this beautiful piece of technology to be obsolete by september. i hope you guys are with me on this, because i think we all know that this phone could easily be something BETTER than what it is now. and it SHOULD be able to compete with any phone within a year from now because it's Google's baby. GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money. Because, even though i feel like this is the best phone i've ever had, 1) i feel like it'll be obsolete in a few months and 2) im starting to feel like i wasted my money.
long live nexus

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The Nexus one will be the standard by which all android phones are measured for at-least another year.
Keeping everything pure AOSP is a huge plus IMO.
Official updates are slow, but code is being committed to the repository regularly and makes it on to the custom ROMS very quickly.
There is no phone out there with better features and community support than the one you have
There is no other phone on google.com/phone... so we are still the only child.

Google is trying to catch up the rest of the android world to 2.1
VZ cut them off it seems from the N1 and instead VZ gets another great Android handset.
Froyo has some much needed upgrades and will help (in theory) android solidify itself by stabilizing the platform for devs.
JIT/Flash/Market /Open GL / market upgrades are on there way if you believe the rumors.
What is it you feel is being phased out ?
Only about 500k users have an N1. Thats a miniscule amount.
Even with that we have two great devs putting out some very stable ROMS. Unlike the past N1 came with so many damn features out of box that we didnt need ROMs and Apps to add the 101 missing features.
Listen I am still up in Googles rectum about alot of features that need to be fixed/enhanced on Android. We all knew N1 was the first of the snapdragons. The others are storming in blasting taking attention away from us...but theyre all on the same team....they all bleed green =-)
Sure Id love to be slapping on Sense widgets , Moto Blur social network apps , etc...but thats up to us as a community to do it (if ever technically possible).
Anyways feel good about your purchase. You still have the best available phone on the market and will until the EVO/Iphone4G drop. And even then..youd still be top 3 at worst.

There isn't much development because there isn't much to do. The Nexus has the latest firmware and top specs. Of announced phones only the Evo and Galaxy S have significantly better specs everything else is just a SLIGHTLY upgraded Nexus. No porting apps or firmwares are needed. The only thing to really do is optimize what we have (cyanogen is doing that) and port sense UI (Paul is doing that). I'm happy with my Nexus .....for now hehe

zach I can understand the complaints about some of the nagging issues the phone has had (3G, purple tint etc.) but two things we have to realize: A majority of the users don't experience these problems, and in no way is our phone going to be obsolete anytime soon.
Here is a post I made regarding the Incredible screen, I think it's relevant here:
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Here's my take:
Would I like to have this screen in my Nexus? Yea it would have been a nice feature. Do I need this screen? No, not in the slightest.. Not yet anyways. The only apps that would require a screen like that are games, and I don't play the type of games on my phone that would require axis-crossing multitouch. I know some people do, and I can respect that but I don't, hence why I don't care about this right now.
Frankly, if you're playing those kinds of games anyways, just get an iPhone (and I'm not saying that in a bad way). iPhone is unmatched when it comes to gameplay and plus you can get them all for free if you jailbreak. Yea The Incredible has a capable screen, but do you know long it's going to take Android to catch up to Apple when it comes to game quality?? Android just got games like Racing Thunder 2 and Homerun Battle 3D while you can play Street Fighter 4 and freaking Grand Theft Auto on the iPhone! It's no competition.. if you want to game, you don't have the right phone.
By the time Android actually starts developing games and apps that can take advantage of the axis crossing MT, The Incredible will be "obsolete" (as some of you like to put it) so no need for everyone to get their panties in a bunch
With most things I normally have a realist perspective and am usually the first to 'hate' on something when its deserved, but alot of you guys are just a bunch of downers. The Incredible is a great phone as is the Nexus, everyone should just appreciate what they have! If you keep chasing the newest technology (no matter how impractical it is) you will never be satisfied!
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
Regarding the selection of ROMS.. Guys, right now we have the top of the line OS on our phones.. 2.1 is the standard, most of the G1/Magic ROMS are trying to replicate what we already have stock. Believe me, once Froyo and Android 3.0 come out the devs will be right on it and we'll get awesome ports. We have great developers who will make sure our phones have the newest software on our devices.
And if worst comes to worst and some of you decide to sell your Nexus this summer, it will have excellent resale value.

Don't worry, This is the phone Google are actively giving to developers. We'll be here for a while to come yet.

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I most definetely do not believe the nexus one will be phased out anytime soon, actually i will be ordering one tonight as a matter of fact. yes we may not have the best touch screens or the greatest rom develipment, but that is because we are still number one There are no other builds to even create until phones of this caliber runnng other os are on the scene. And for the touch screen issue, whe the time comes to where we truely need multitouch for games on the market out nexus's WILL be outdated, or there WILL be a fix for this, i mean geez Cyanogen has nearly finished a fully working Eclair for the g1 already, all i see is hope and excitment for the future of this device, the market also needs some serious time to catch up to apples games (please dont get upset with this, its true) The only thing i can see actually outdating our phones are dual processors capable of OVER 1.5 otherwise i dont believe they will be extinct, not even the 1.3 samsung will hurt the nexus i think considering we can be oc'ed to 1.3 anyways i do believe, or at least close

I don't think that we're being phased out, not until another year. Each phone that comes in the market gets compared to Nexus One.
As far as the development is concerned, its very satisfactory. Comparing the development scene between N1 an iPhone, iPhone sold nearly 50x the units of N1 sold. So most app developers have their focus on iPhone as it stands them a better chance of making more money..... But still development on N1 is much better.....

jasrups said:
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There will always be new technology coming out faster than we can keep up with, the important thing is to not prematurely write one product off as soon as a newer one becomes available. People will be saying the same thing about the Incredible/4G Evo etc in a few months from now. That's just the ways things are. If you have that mentality you will want a new phone every few months regardless of how good it is.
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I’m beginning to think some people have never bought a phone before, or a computer for that matter.
Did people expect the N1 to the absolute top spec phone forever? Seriously its still amazing compared to most, and measures up nicely in all significant ways to these new phones it keeps getting compared to. Stop trying to bury it before its even close to dead.
There is always something newer coming. No exceptions. There are phones in development now that will top the Evo and Incredible. At some point you have to buy something or you’ll wait forever.
The N1 is Google’s flag ship phone. I bought it for that reason. If Google is developing something cool (like FroYo!) its pretty much guaranteed to come to us first. Its not being phased out. I think there are exciting things to come…

You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete. I agree with this theory
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How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
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in the fact that we aren't getting any love/support anymore.
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THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
zachthemaster said:
Granted, i know that Froyo is on the way, but i feel as though our hardware could have been better from the get-go, and that now (starting to become the long run since launch) it will be the death of this phone on a large basis.
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As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
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I feel as though Google has left us behind with some major issues, and has crippled the Nexus One name, purely because they seem like they don't want to deal with it anymore. Support is limited at that
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Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
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and updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
zachthemaster said:
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly. We have a small selections of stable roms and thats about it. Nothing super fantastic (granted CyanogenMod and Modaco's ROMS are great, but not legendary), nothing special.
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If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
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I feel like there was more support for the (i hate to bring it in) iPhone in terms of the community and the modding experience.
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Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.

I don't buy it. I don't like the multitouch sensor they used for the phone, and I think the scrolling could be smoother, but what do you really expect from Google? Short of them sending out free hardware upgrades, what are you really looking for to not feel phased out?
The Nexus One is a great phone, at least for me. Even with the multitouch issues, I'm able to pull off running jumps when I play Super Mario World and the like. And that issue is allegedly being worked on with 2.2. If they flat out said the Nexus One wasn't getting 2.2 then you could make the claim of the Nexus One being phased out.
As far as network issues go, I have zero problems with my AT&T Nexus One and 3G. I live in the DC Metro area, for what it's worth. Most problems I've heard from people are all on T-Mobile. Who's to say the problem isn't on T-Mobile's side instead of Google's? Everyone blames AT&T's network for the iPhone's network issues, but it's pretty clear that the radio in the iPhone is garbage.
We live in a time where there are 1ghz processors in handheld devices. Technology is advancing so fast. It's always going to hurt when your $500+ dollar device isn't the best around anymore, but do you really want forward progress to slow down so you feel like you have the best phone longer?
I think you're being overly paranoid, if you ask me. So long as you love the phone, what do you care?

danguyf said:
You have got to be kidding. Seriously?
How does the best Android phone currently on the market obsolete? You must be working from a totally different definition of "obsolete".
THAT must be why Google is giving Nexus Ones out to so many developers! Because they don't love it anymore and want to get rid of it!
As if Froyo isn't a major undertaking.
In what way could the hardware have been better, without delaying the release of the phone?
Are we talking about the same phone? In what way is it crippled?
Google has upped its support, hired more support personnel, and continues to present the N1 as its flagship phone. How does that equate to "they don't want to deal with it anymore"?
How long has the N1 been out? Just how often did you expect an update? I think your expectations might be wildly unrealistic.
And "even for non-root users"!?! WTF does that mean? If anything, non-root users have far fewer updates -- rooted users are getting the updates from CM as soon as Google commits them to the source repository, whereas "even" implies that you expect non-root users to receive more updates, which is completely backwards.
If you don't think CM is "super fantasic" then I invite you to go back to the stock N1 rom. Installing CM for the first time is like getting a whole new phone.
Somebody call the waaaaaaaaaahmbulance.
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I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!

You can't compare the modding/dev community of the N1 to the iPhone anyways.
The iphone has FAR more units out there, and the Apple cult is still buying. The iPhone also has more that is needed as far as mods to make it a nice OS.
The iPhone also runs native binaries, so there seem to be a lot more standard systems written for it, or so I was told in my Q&A thread. The iPhone has full apt packaging system, full set of GNU tools, full OpenSSH suite, etc.
The iPhone also has a lot more core teams of dedicated modders, while Android seems to have 1-2, at least for the N1. This is, again, I think due to the fact that the iPhone needs more mods to make it a good OS.

Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.

Not even boobs can rescue the OP's post.

martin0285 said:
I didn't wanna quote the whole thing (sorry everyone) but this is the post of the year IMO!!!! Every counter argument you made is perfect.....This thread is BOGUS!!!!!!
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Without boobs, this thread is a waste of time.
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I agree wholeheartedly with both of you.

zachthemaster said:
NOW! I know it is possibly too early to jump to conclusions, but I have recently been reading through some posts about how our Nexus One's are slowly, sadly and surely becoming obsolete.
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Can you link these posts?
How is the N1 becoming obsolete? What are your reasons? I have yet to see any indication of this.
updates are scarce (one update to be exact, and even that OTA had problems), even for non-root users.
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What kind of crap is this? Yes, the N1 has received 1 update. Which is 1 more than MANY other Android phones in YEARS.
Development, even though sometimes a tedious task, is moving slowly.
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Here's the Android source code:
http://android.git.kernel.org/
Get to work!
GOOGLE: GIVE US MORE for our phones and for our money
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Give more WHAT?

Enjoy the wave for as long as it lasts... which will be a long time
Tech wise phones go obsolete much faster than a PC ever would for the simple fact that you are in a closed environment. You can't upgrade the RAM, graphics or CPU on one of these things so shelf life is in terms of months not years. But that's not to say that support will go away for the N1 any time soon. OP is just acknowledging/exhibiting the mid-life crisis that the N1 is in currently. It's still the flagship product and a benchmark for every phone slated to be released this year. Next year may be different--hell I'm sure it will be--but for now, we're good and there's enough power that it'll still be viable 2 years from now. If you need a current tangible example, just look at how many G1's there are out there and how long that phone has been out.
I came from the dismally dysfunctional land of the Epix from Samsung where between them and AT&T, they couldn't figure out who was suppose to be doing the obligatory reach-around. With the N1 there are no more worries about the carrier holding up the updates for a fix to a major problem introduced by another fix almost a year prior for an infantile notification issue., there are no more issues with contractual obilgations to corporate partnerships (Yahoo) with draconian imposed restrictions to enforce it(backflip) and mostly there's no more waiting for the mfg to finally update their license to a newer version OS if they even bother going that route to begin with. Open architecture, open software and an infinite amount of potential for old and new phones is why I'm here and I'm sure a bunch of others are too.
So to anyone else reading this and especially to Sprint customers that are waiting for the N1, catch the wave however you want(N1, Evo, etc) but enjoy it for what it is--a long great ride and loads of fun--cowabunga!

Did somebody say boobs? Er, was I supposed to get something else out of this?

Schmidt: Nexus One so successful we dont need a Nexus Two

Eric Schmidt's words concerning why the Nexus One was created and how we dont need number Two.
Initially, Google felt that they needed to build a device to help Android along so they worked with HTC to create the Nexus One handset. Schmidt says: “The idea a year and a half ago was to do the Nexus One to try to move the phone platform hardware business forward. It clearly did. It was so successful, we didn't have to do a second one. We would view that as positive but people criticised us heavily for that. I called up the board and said: 'Ok, it worked. Congratulations - we're stopping'. We like that flexibility, we think that flexibility is characteristic of nimbleness at our scale."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-Schmidt-You-can-trust-us-with-your-data.html

Heh, google is the inverse of apple

...I would like a Nexus Two though?
What about a 1280x720 4" IPS screen, sub-10mm thickness, aluminum/carbon fiber construction, HDMI port, front-facing camera, Tegra 2 SoC, battery life that is amazing, and capacitive touch buttons that are actually silk screened right?
And of course, a unicorn detector

oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.

i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.

I thought the title was a joke. lol
Wow, damage control ahoy.

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i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
I don't know what happened in SE HQ when they moved onto touchscreen phones and the like. They were ahead of the curve back in the day but maybe their UI let them down?
Samsung are another company who made good hardware but ****ed it up with their clunky software.
I'm not sure how these guys turn the ship around but HTC came from nowhere and are one of the biggest mobile phone manufacturers about now. Surely SE and Samsung can make a cracking phone again and win some of the market share back.
Another issue might be locking down access to root or bastardising Android with a clunky shell. HTC avoided that with a pretty nice UI in Sense.

britoso said:
Heh, google is the inverse of apple
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That's why I love em.

Knew it and have been saying it all along.
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.

markouk said:
+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
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I don't know about you, but that's what I dislike about SE. Why couldn't they just combine the best walkman and camera in one phone? Instead, they made two phones out of almost the same hardware and charge a high price for each of them...

RogerPodacter said:
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.

Namuna said:
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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Amen!
I love the N1, and can't wait for a future device done the same way (without any branding). I seriously hope HTC is the manufacturer. Can't see myself using a phone not made by them.

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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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Since android's beginning, there has always been Google's developer phone, the one that Google uses to write the android OS on. First was the g1, now its nexus. It will always be a vanilla android version, not HTC sense or MOTOblur or whatever. Perhaps the next one will be sold thru a carrier, but I think they will ensure it can be purchased unlocked too. We don't know, this is new territory, and The nexus kinda set the standard. So I'm anticipating Google will make sure the next phone can be had without the carrier influence as well.

I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.

I'm done with SE, myself. I followed them for a little while with a P990i, then Xperia X1 and was going to get an X10... but glad I got a Nexus One instead.
High-priced pieces of trash, they are. I know the X1 was HTC built and rebranded, but WinMo was so laggy on it and SE slapped an $800 price tag on it. Enough to wake you up.

So there won't be a N1 successor ??

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I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
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Sure is nice having Google dictate what goes on the phone and not T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. I think I'd opt for a slightly weaker phone over one with Sense UI and branding all over it.
I guess I'll be buying whichever dev phone is popular at the time, or making damn sure the phone has Cyanogen et al behind it and that it is vanilla.

No N2?!? Oh come on! It's not like they have to do much. Just make it a 4" screen, swap in a better 3D co-processor, slap a real keyboard on it and call it a day. I'd buy that off-contract any day!

I would agree that the N1 put android on the map, at the centre. They have multiple partners now SPAMMING rediculously good phones for android, the consumers know about it and WANT it, theyve done their task. Let them get back to making the OS orgasmic, and let HTC etc make phones that can vibrate

Like a guy said eariler this is whats called damage control. The N1 didn't start anything with Android OS, it was the Droid that did that. The N1 is a tiny blip on the radar of Android sales. The N1 failed and this is an arrogant look at the N1. The fact of the matter is HTC was planning 1ghz phones regardless of the N1 existance or not, remeber that phone list that was leaked last year of all the phones coming out this year? I love my N1 but lets face it google dropped the ball on it.
1. restrictions on the subdizing
2. restrictions on the type of plan
3. No dummy phones for TMO stores
IMO if they would have stuck the N1 in stores made it easy like Droid, Samsung Vibrant, and EVO, then N1 at the time would have been a mega hit. It was the first phone (that I can remember) with a ghz processor ppl would have went nuts for it because of the speed and its a really sexy looking phone.

[CLOSED/DZ] Stock Android > All

Hardware aside, I'm willing to sell my Vibrant for this phone for the simple fact the G2 will have stock android. I'm getting very close to the point where I will not support phones that do not ship with stock android. Seeing motoblur or touchwiz makes me sick. The manufacturers might as well design their own OS because that IS NOT ANDROID.
Only T-Mobile has released stock android devices to this day (in the US). This could set T-Mobile higher than the competition if they would just release more stock phones. The first MyTouch ran on vanilla android so why can't the new one do the same?
I'm really looking forward to the G2. Looks like a great business phone. The keyboard looks great (could be better with a 5th row) and the z-hinge will be a cool addition. This thing is going to have incredible developer support just like the G1. Why do you think so many G1 owners still use that phone? The dev community kept it alive. All of the stock android phones have huge dev support. This one will be no different.
Still disappointed that it only ships with a 1300mAh battery. Even if you can overclock the phone it would be smart not to as it would drain hella fast. Hopefully they will sell 1500-1700mAh batteries that don't make the phone too much thicker.
Can't wait to see actual footage of the phone. Hopefully tomorrow at the HTC event they show it off. I've heard T-Mobile employees who have seen the phone saw its amazingly fast. It better live up to the hype, although for practical use I don't think HSPA+ will be much faster than 3G at this point.

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Hardware aside, I'm willing to sell my Vibrant for this phone for the simple fact the G2 will have stock android. I'm getting very close to the point where I will not support phones that do not ship with stock android. Seeing motoblur or touchwiz makes me sick. The manufacturers might as well design their own OS because that IS NOT ANDROID.
Only T-Mobile has released stock android devices to this day (in the US). This could set T-Mobile higher than the competition if they would just release more stock phones. The first MyTouch ran on vanilla android so why can't the new one do the same?
I'm really looking forward to the G2. Looks like a great business phone. The keyboard looks great (could be better with a 5th row) and the z-hinge will be a cool addition. This thing is going to have incredible developer support just like the G1. Why do you think so many G1 owners still use that phone? The dev community kept it alive. All of the stock android phones have huge dev support. This one will be no different.
Still disappointed that it only ships with a 1300mAh battery. Even if you can overclock the phone it would be smart not to as it would drain hella fast. Hopefully they will sell 1500-1700mAh batteries that don't make the phone too much thicker.
Can't wait to see actual footage of the phone. Hopefully tomorrow at the HTC event they show it off. I've heard T-Mobile employees who have seen the phone saw its amazingly fast. It better live up to the hype, although for practical use I don't think HSPA+ will be much faster than 3G at this point.
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I agree. I cant wait for the G2. Ive been a G1 owner the past 2 yrs. Cant wait to upgrade. Oh by the way, the Droid 1 had stock android.

actually i can vouch for the HSPA+ speeds, on 3G my mytouch slide was getting just under 1Mbps and when they flipped on the towers around me i started pulling 4-5 Mbps so with the limit of the device set at 14.4 Mbps then i am sure we can get at least 8 possibly more than that(of course it will diminish once more people are on the network just like anything else

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The manufacturers might as well design their own OS because that IS NOT ANDROID.
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That's actually the entire idea behind android.

JCopernicus said:
That's actually the entire idea behind android.
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If that is the Idea then there is no room to ***** about the fragmentation of the OS itself by Google. I for one like the idea of a vanilla platform. As many have stated, this allows for quicker updates of the software, where all the tightly integrated crap like motobelch either causes huge delays, or the updates never come due to development costs. Hats off to t-mobile for this phone and I'm glad I did not jump on the Vibrant even though its a great device.
I just hope I can get it on our corporate plan.

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That's actually the entire idea behind android.
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agree. people should be able to do whatever they want with android. I don't have the expertise to know about licensing and when you can legally profit off of customizing someone else's work, but I think there should be a free market so people can choose what they want. personally, I prefer stock. I'll continue to support handsets that come with stock. but I like how there are other versions. I mean... the same principle that allows android to be modded into sense and touchwiz is the same one that allows Cyanogen to legally release his mods.

stock is awesome cause froyo has built in tethering and hotspot support also allows for faster updates and better compatibility with custom roms.

G2 having vanilla android was the nail in my nexus coffin to Oklahoma thank you ebay.
The G2 is going to be friggin awesome. I cant stay off the computer waiting for the email from T-Mobile.
Edit: sold that baby for 480 buckaroos, had to do it while the gettin's good.

navillos said:
G2 having vanilla android was the nail in my nexus coffin to Oklahoma thank you ebay.
The G2 is going to be friggin awesome. I cant stay off the computer waiting for the email from T-Mobile.
Edit: sold that baby for 480 buckaroos, had to do it while the gettin's good.
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Haha. Sold my Vibrant today for $450!

Actually, the Verizon Motorola Droid 1, and LG Ally run stock android
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Actually, the Verizon Motorola Droid 1, and LG Ally run stock android
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except the original droid was pretty slow and the ally had some proprietary apps and themes on it.

My buddy that has used both phones said the N1 was snappier than the G2 in OS performance. Kind of bummed, they keyboard alone isn't enough for me since I've gotten used to SlideIt but maybe the hspa+ will be enough. I'll be keeping both phones just in case.

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My buddy that has used both phones said the N1 was snappier than the G2 in OS performance. Kind of bummed, they keyboard alone isn't enough for me since I've gotten used to SlideIt but maybe the hspa+ will be enough. I'll be keeping both phones just in case.
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could have been an early version and i find that odd since every other report says its supposed to be as fast or faster. its best to just wait and see for yourself. such as with more ram the phone will stay faster longer and multitask better then the n1 also more internal memory so you can have more apps without having to use aps2ext. plus a hardware keyboard is a must for some people though maybe not to you. the point is the nexus is dated in many ways so the g2 will outperform it in the long run. its better to wait until everything is finalized and the product is released then phonescoop and phonearena can do the comparisons with actual video and show which is faster.

agh. just want it to come out so we can run linpack on it and compare it with other phones

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Here in lies the problem with calling the G2's Android 2.2 "stock" Android.
TMO has removed the wifi hotspot option from the OS.
Can it really be called stock then ?
Seems to me it cant be.
I have 2.2.1 on my Nexus and it has the wifi hotspot.
And its faster than tethering.
So TMO is in my estimation ripping people off calling it stock or vanilla.
Just saying.

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Here in lies the problem with calling the G2's Android 2.2 "stock" Android.
TMO has removed the wifi hotspot option from the OS.
Can it really be called stock then ?
Seems to me it cant be.
I have 2.2.1 on my Nexus and it has the wifi hotspot.
And its faster than tethering.
So TMO is in my estimation ripping people off calling it stock or vanilla.
Just saying.
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Yeah, I don't like that they removed the hotspot in their flagship HSPA+ phone. That is insult to injury. I am not even getting > 1MB and am squarely in a HSPA+ area - that, my friends, is the injury.

Anyone else sad that RIM bought TAT?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/02/rim-buys-tat-blackberry-ui-in-danger-of-becoming-awesome/
So, is anyone else sad that RIM bought TAT? Those of you that don't know, TAT helped with and polished the original Android interface for the G1 and helped us get to what we all know and love today in Android. Not to mention they have 3 awesome live wallpapers on the market, plus they have that awesome TAT Home homescreen replacement that never got to see the light of day... yes, it was supposed to be an OEM homescreen replacement, but it would have been nice to see it released sometime. *sigh* I'm actually surprised Google didn't purchase them first, given what they've put into Android in the past and what they can obviously do with it now.

I am very surprised that a buttoned up, un innovative company like RIM snatched them up. They must be terrified of iOS and Android (rightly so) to step so far out of their comfort zone.

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I am very surprised that a buttoned up, un innovative company like RIM snatched them up. They must be terrified of iOS and Android (rightly so) to step so far out of their comfort zone.
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I think after their current os overhaul sort of fell flat they are desperate for something to keep people interested. Something more than color and icon changes.

I'm not really sad, I really want RIM to get back in the game, since it's a Canadian company and I'm proud of having technology companies in here...I wouldn't like if it RIM died out just like Nortel did, would suck badly to get overhauled by American companies only...
Although, RIM really has to work its ass off to make better stuff...I mean, the torch has a suckier cpu and same camera as the Nexus which came out almost a year ago...they really need to get some exclusive things...now, they even lost what was pretty much the only "exclusive" feature, being the BlackBerry Messenger...they are now in court with Kik just for that matter

It'd pretty easy to make some sparkly beautiful UI . Its another to make it work properly with available hardware.
G1 won my heart but the ui is the reason sense and others came about.
Unless there's something I'm missing ...big whoop. BB needs a big overhaul lets see what they can do with that OS.

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It'd pretty easy to make some sparkly beautiful UI . Its another to make it work properly with available hardware.
G1 won my heart but the ui is the reason sense and others came about.
Unless there's something I'm missing ...big whoop. BB needs a big overhaul lets see what they can do with that OS.
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Check out tat home, the 2d-3d list and map Apps as well as their XML based interfaces. Tat is good at what they do when they are given free reign. IMO they could have done great things for android, I think Google restricts to keep things simple rather than flashy as android is supposed to be able to operate on devices of different power.

You know to tell you the truth: competition is always good for us the customer. Apple vs. Android isn't enough and even Google can get lazy. Hopefully RIM will FINALLY help push the industry forward.
Also, I'm looking at getting a Playbook to connect to my Nexus One via free wifi hotspot. Maybe this will make the Playbook a better product in the future, which again, helps all of us at the end of the day.
Apple and Google don't need TAT...RIM certainly does. They finally have shown some life with this acquisition.

as a former RIM developer I'm couldn't sign the statement "RIM is innovative".
The hardware is very powerfull, but the OS is way behind, OS6 is nothing but a polished GUI on top of OS5. BES the core strength of RIM is losing ground, just as RIM did within 1 year dropping stocks approx. 50%.
If a little theme with a few SVG lines can bend down a 1ghz device, there's nothing to feel sad, but for the customer wasting a lot of money. Not intended to get into a flame, but since the question popped up, here's my 2 cents.

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as a former RIM developer I'm couldn't sign the statement "RIM is innovative".
The hardware is very powerfull, but the OS is way behind, OS6 is nothing but a polished GUI on top of OS5. BES the core strength of RIM is losing ground, just as RIM did within 1 year dropping stocks approx. 50%.
If a little theme with a few SVG lines can bend down a 1ghz device, there's nothing to feel sad, but for the customer wasting a lot of money. Not intended to get into a flame, but since the question popped up, here's my 2 cents.
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The hardware itself is indeed very "solid' and extremely reliable, thus the incredible business use of BlackBerry. The specs, though, fall short in today's standards!
Hopefully, they will come up with something nice soon, before they get forgotten in oblivion

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Check out tat home, the 2d-3d list and map Apps as well as their XML based interfaces. Tat is good at what they do when they are given free reign. IMO they could have done great things for android, I think Google restricts to keep things simple rather than flashy as android is supposed to be able to operate on devices of different power.
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I have. Theyre beautiful. But so was Xperias Android UI.
Concept designs for Android have been gorgeous and "futuristic" but they all flop if they even bother seeing light of day.
If you want to say its Google restricting I wont argue. Im sure they refuse to add anything that hampers there backbone. But seeing how cooliris got free reign and we ended up with a slow , low res Gallery app im more prone to thinking HW simply is not up to the point to handle these interfaces.
At the end of the day its another case of a looming update with no sign of UI overhaul. I dont have "major" issues with current UI. But its clear that these big leaps being shown just arent happening. I cant fathom why Google would simply say no. There has to be another reason. Maybe the Sidekick/Palm guy wasnt to keen on them ?
WebOS UI > Android/Ios/BB anyways.

Haha, good point about the gallery. Cooliris really did fail on that one. I hope it either gets better or gets replaced in future versions of android.

All of their products are so surperfulous and gaudy.
At least rim products won't be called boring anymore.

Its sad that all that android code is going to waste without it being released.
Since they did not give anything to the community, and decided to abandon android, I wish them all the best with RIM...good riddance.

New Verizon and the Fascinate...my thoughts!

Ok so i have had the fascinate for a while. I switched to Verizon because they have the best service in my area. I was on ATT with Iphone before.
The phone feels cheap but a great screen
It feels smooth when useing the apps but horribly slow when using the UI itself.
99% of the market is themes and ringtones.
No new games all are ports and old games that I had on the iphone a year ago.
The UI is ugly to me unless I use Launcherpro then it gets Nice. There are no Good scrollable widgets in the market at all. So far without Launcherpro widgets would be pointless!
The GPS lock time is horrible (Yes I know theres a fix coming, which some say realy does nothing)
Ive used some of the roms with kernels in clockwork mod... honestly I see no Improvment compared to Launcherpro... touchwiz sux.
I love the hardware of this phone...except the plastic feel. But coming from a Iphone i can say It just doesnt compare. Push notification apps are rare on android.
I know this is the best option ...only option on Verizon. But I do miss my JAILBROKEN IPHONE. With a jailbroken iphone I was able to do so much more. better theming, skins , even widgets.
Just my thoughts. I expected so much more from Google.

That phone sucks get the dinc
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That phone sucks get the dinc
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^^Lulz....
Please go get Another Iphone

If you don't like it, I saw that the iPhone is on sale, you could probably get a new one. GPS is fixed, just not in an official update, but it most certainly is working. And games will come, it will just take some time. Gingerbread should help significantly, as well as the growth that the Android platform has experienced the past year.
Sent from my StupidFast Voodoo Fascinate

You are completely entitled to your own opinion. I just wish people didn't share them on a development site. Go to cnet or something.
good day.

I'm starting to not like this thing either. As a phone with it's basic functions, it does fine, but dammit, there is an almost TOTAL lack of attention to this thing from the dev community, which tells ME no geeks bought it.
Back when I had my TP2, there was a ton of custom roms, and constant development that made that thing very capable.
I think you can even run Froyo on a TP2 now.
F*ck me this thing sucks.

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You are completely entitled to your own opinion. I just wish people didn't share them on a development site. Go to cnet or something.
good day.
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chronster said:
I'm starting to not like this thing either. As a phone with it's basic functions, it does fine, but dammit, there is an almost TOTAL lack of attention to this thing from the dev community, which tells ME no geeks bought it.
Back when I had my TP2, there was a ton of custom roms, and constant development that made that thing very capable.
I think you can even run Froyo on a TP2 now.
F*ck me this thing sucks.
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there is plenty of development going on for this phone..however its not currently here on xda

Atleast im not the only that feel this way. I thought I was missing something. I played with my friends Incredible .. I liked the UI almost the same as my Launcherpro add on.... but it looked better with a few more options....but it was slower than launcherpro.
As far as Apps well I think its going to be like that Untill Google stops the fragmentation. They should force Manufactures to update All phones in a timely manner atleast for 1 year
Ill give it till January and see if any other options are available. I love GOOGLE but Im not loving Android anymore. I think the thought of openess was a great idea. But Its lacking with developers wanting to make cool apps.
Like I said in January Ill see where Android is at. If its not moving foward in the DEV/MARKET area ill get a windows mobile or Iphone.
Thanks guys!!

Android is the platform that recent surveys have shown will receive the most new development. More so than iPhone/iPad and Windows Phone. I don't think it has to do with fragmentation so much as it takes time to realize where the market is going.
Just 6 months ago, there were only a handful of Android devices out there, and most weren't exactly powerful devices that could do gaming and many other things. Because of that, software companies put their money and time into making games for the iPhone as it could handle games better than the Android phones of the time. Given the lead time in creating a game or some of the complex apps out there, places probably only started on them recently.
Android didn't really take off until this past summer, at least not in a mass market way. There were rumored updates to devices, but no one knew how they would do where the iOS platform had a 3+ year history. Now that Android has taken off, companies are playing catch up.

I just decided to return the phone. Ill wait it out till january and see what is announced.
Just not enough good Applications to warrant being stuck on this OS. If things change maybe ill revisit it again.
Thanks guys and Goodluck.