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Keep it or Switch it. - XPERIA X10 General

Hey Guys.
Might be flamed for this, but at this point in time I don´t really care.
Im SO tired of this 1.6 even after the small update and the rooting, im tired of not being able to install programs not supporting 1.6 anymore, tired of not being able to update programs for the same reason.
Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
When is the 2.1 update comming, and why is it not 2.1, SE is so slow.
The X10 is probarbly the only phone on the marked STILL running 1.6 i mean WTF.
im selling my X10 and getting the HTC Desire, will throw the 2.2 on it, and im sure it will make me more happy
How is it with other X10 users ?

just go ahead. im happy with X10 and waiting for upgrade to 2.1 in my opinion, Desire is too ugly to hold. everyone has different perception of a cellphone. so it is meaningless to ask for others' comment.
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I wish you all the best and hope you find true happiness.

I guess you haven't been watching the dev forum soooo peace.

You should own what makes you happy. I am frustrated too for SE slowness with updating but nothing out there is as sweet as X10 in looks, comfort, and sexiness to my taste. Not even close. So, I am happy to be stuck with this beast.
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well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.

iom_jack said:
well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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I Can´t agree with you more m8, the X10 is by far one of the best looking phones out there.
I think the saying goes, Newer Judge A Book By It´s Cover

torzo said:
Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
When is the 2.1 update comming, and why is it not 2.1, SE is so slow.
The X10 is probarbly the only phone on the marked STILL running 1.6 i mean WTF.
How is it with other X10 users ?
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I can't be bothered to look it up, but...
1) Live wallpaper? Really? That's what you're upset about?
2) I don't think SE has announced several times, on multiple websites and press releases that 2.1 is coming Q3 (around September). They haven't announced it at all.
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
As for me? Best phone I've ever used. Every time I use my friend's iPhone 4, I get happy once I grab my X10. My Blackberry never was this nice. Even my insane high-end Japanese cell phone that I could use as a credit card, train ticket, and television with a 10MP camera, true flash, and HD recording isn't as nice as the X10. I'm happy, and I can certainly wait a month or two for 2.1.

iom_jack said:
well, in my opinion, somehow it will be your loss.
1.surely, you'll be missing some features of x10 like the 4" screen that SE have and the 8MP camera.
2. Not all likes to have a live wallpaper (put your picture as a wallpaper they'll know and wonder why you're still aLIVE. KIDDING)
3. there's still loads of good apps that you can download for SE (1.6).
I'm telling you aside from being much faster due to rom (and update available if you want to include) SE looks better.
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+ Desire is not useable in sunlight

iead1 said:
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
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Haha well said and 2.1 update was to come in Q4, BUT now it's coming in Q3.

Oh great another whaaaaaaaaaaaaa thread!
Good luck with that OP.

Are You Mental...........
Well thats an interesting question, of course its a choice of personal preferance, but just look at the X10...............damn good looking handset, but if superficial attraction isnt your thing then i suggest trying it out, mine does everything i ask of it, used to have battery issues but since i updated to RB020 it isnt a problem, hit the 90 hour mark before needing to plug in for a recharge and that was with moderate usage calls and text and some facebucket, most are complaining about the 3g sucking the battery but i believe they are forgetting that these mobiles arent designed for web fanatics and their social websites, if you want to sit allday on your web get a laptop, as far as on the go communication goes its perfect, and with the update fast approahing it will only get better, the camera is sweet as it gives clear and detailed images, ok the call volume sucks if you are in a noisy enviroment but ive been using my handsfree so no problem, sensititvity is spot on, and of course it looks excellent............

+1 on that Andiiboy

1. Im SO tired of this 1.6 even after the small update and the rooting,
2.im tired of not being able to install programs not supporting 1.6 anymore,
3.tired of not being able to update programs for the same reason.
4.Tired of not having things like Live wallpaper etc.
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1.Learn java/android and help the dev team with the 2.1/2.2 FW
2.Learn java/android and make the app compatible with your version
3.Learn java/android and write your own programs, or better yet wait for app inventor.
4.OMG I to want to sit and watch live wallpaper!!
X10 definetely has the potential to be great and the true fans will stick it out. So if your looking for reasons to stay you will not get one from me. I think you have already made up your mind so I think the saying goes "Dont let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya"

Just wait once 2.1 comes out its going to be one of the best 2.1 android out there.....
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iead1 said:
I can't be bothered to look it up, but...
1) Live wallpaper? Really? That's what you're upset about?
2) I don't think SE has announced several times, on multiple websites and press releases that 2.1 is coming Q3 (around September). They haven't announced it at all.
3) When the X10 was released, several phones were on the market with 2.1. Yet, you knowingly purchased a phone with 1.6. Who is to blame? The company for clearly marketing the phone as 1.6 or the customer who purchased the 1.6 phone, just to ***** about it having 1.6? I'll let you decide that one.
As for me? Best phone I've ever used. Every time I use my friend's iPhone 4, I get happy once I grab my X10. My Blackberry never was this nice. Even my insane high-end Japanese cell phone that I could use as a credit card, train ticket, and television with a 10MP camera, true flash, and HD recording isn't as nice as the X10. I'm happy, and I can certainly wait a month or two for 2.1.
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mind show me how yours insane high end cell phone look like?
Anyhow, why get a desire. Isn;t Evo 4g the highest tier of HTC that is out in he market.
for OP: Just don't come back crying to us when our x10 can shoot laser beams and call in Godzilla to step on those Iphone users and use the "FORCE".

If you get a new iphone 4 you will get a free case/bumper.....

devilleather said:
If you get a new iphone 4 you will get a free case/bumper.....
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But there is no reception problem with the phone, it's just a software error. If Jobs said so then it must be true.
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heeelllooooo
Iphone 4 not a hardware problem but software......................well apparently, and im quoting the guys at apple, its not just a software problem but a hardware problem, they have admitted that the phone is beset with problems and has been since its conception, do yourself a favour dont waste your money, get an X10 and have the sweetest looking handset out, forget about the bad press as all these little foibles that the buyers have been grumbling about (you cant please *****es) as these will be sorted and a good few of them have been already, pretty soon we will be getting Android 2.1 (with a few added pleasures curtesy of SE, as Android 1.6 isnt a standard Android 1.6, its a customized SE version of Android so im speculating that when 2.1 comes it too will have that extra SE vava voom) and lets not forget the added bazinga bonus of having HD photo and video capture (a real bonus for all the homemade porn directors muhahahaha) so stop the grumbling pleeeeeaaaase, Iphone sux and X10 rocks, just hold on for a little while (and since most of you have waited longer for some action from your girlfriends) it will be over in a flash but worth the wait!!!!! muhahahahaha

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i really love the hardware design of the X10. the white one is a chick magnet. **** i even got 2 girls phone numbers because of the phone. its that good.... till i get home.. and HOLA slow phone. even the unlock is laggy :/
i got to ask a friend who works for Sony and he only knew one thing. we will get the xperia update on week 44.
thats in Nov. for %$%^ sake . this long to get 2.1 ? and nexus boys are on 2.2 already with flash support and 300% faster than 2.1 " which is already much faster than 1.6 "
this is too much. why they are ****ing this up ? they have a great phone. and its super phone just like the desire and nexus .
give me a break already. i am serisously considering selling it to nexus one. just to get greated with pink screen like most of the poor mfers here got on desire/nexus . sigh.
i am seriously pissed.
WHY ON EARTH THERE IS NO ROOTING YETTTTTTTTTTTT :/

Rooting wil come, you need to wait some dude!
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My guess is this poster is like four years old and should be worrying about more important things.

hey, bro. you are saying what I wanna say... this is really annoying no root...
ll_l_x_l_ll said:
i really love the hardware design of the X10. the white one is a it's a chick magnet. **** i even got 2 girls phone numbers because of the phone. its that good.... till i get home.. and HOLA slow phone. even the unlock is laggy :/
i got to ask a friend who works for Sony and he only knew one thing. we will get the xperia update on week 44.
thats in Nov. for %$%^ sake . this long to get 2.1 ? and nexus boys are on 2.2 already with flash support and 300% faster than 2.1 " which is already much faster than 1.6 "
this is too much. why they are ****ing this up ? they have a great phone. and its super phone just like the desire and nexus .
give me a break already. i am serisously considering selling it to nexus one. just to get greated with pink screen like most of the poor mfers here got on desire/nexus . sigh.
i am seriously pissed.
WHY ON EARTH THERE IS NO ROOTING YETTTTTTTTTTTT :/
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I'm hoping you didn't buy the phone with a superficial mindset... seems like you did. Lol @ superficial skanks giving out numbers because of some guy's phone.
You knew what you were getting into when you bought the phone... no update for a long time and no root available.
Just be patient. A root will come. They're trying to make progress.
I had a Nexus One. It was a great device but didn't impress me like I wanted it to. Would I recommend it to others? Definitely! Does 2.2 make me regret returning the N1? No.... though the speed and flash is nice. The speed of the phone was the one thing that I enjoyed on 2.1 so I'm sure 2.2 is even faster... and I hate laggy phones so I hope I don't get upset once my x10 comes in... but l know what I'm getting into and I need to deal with it.

+1000
SE is really pissing me off w this crap.... pls someone get rooot !

Aside from some unrooted Nexus Ones no one has 2.2 yet, and although I see little differance between 2.1 and 1.6 so I don't care about that upgrade much. Getting 2.2 by the end of the year should be SE's goal.

guys.... i have nexus one from past one month and today i got SE EX10 also...
got 2.2 on my unlocked Nexus and i must admit its amazing speed...i dont even think we would need to customize it anymore.......
and on X10, i like the hardware and the scapes.....but only thing i am looking for is root....i dont want even roms as SE itself gave nice skin to it......
so u cant compare nexus with 2.2 and X10.. until X10 gets 2.2 ...
for now we do need root........

Bialynia said:
I see little differance between 2.1 and 1.6
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Hmm i see more Huge differences. 1.6 always was buggy and had Issues , aside from speed. 2.1 would bring a immense speed advantage + the screen could use more then 65k colors as 1.6 is limited to this. Shipping the device with 1.6 was such dumb**** from SE. But it ever was that SE doesn't care about their Customers.

Yes we already know that x10 is coming with 1.6 but consider this:
Many of x10 user including me never use an Android phone before
When we do our research knowing that x10 is coming with 1.6 and most of the review tell that "1.6 is not much diff with 2.1", somemore SE promised give us update further that make us took the phone.
BUT now we are already Android user with some relative knowledge and now we knew how important 2.2 is.
So don't you SE bring us into Android and leave us in the middle of no where.

blackwindexe said:
I'm hoping you didn't buy the phone with a superficial mindset... seems like you did. Lol @ superficial skanks giving out numbers because of some guy's phone.
You knew what you were getting into when you bought the phone... no update for a long time and no root available.
Just be patient. A root will come. They're trying to make progress.
I had a Nexus One. It was a great device but didn't impress me like I wanted it to. Would I recommend it to others? Definitely! Does 2.2 make me regret returning the N1? No.... though the speed and flash is nice. The speed of the phone was the one thing that I enjoyed on 2.1 so I'm sure 2.2 is even faster... and I hate laggy phones so I hope I don't get upset once my x10 comes in... but l know what I'm getting into and I need to deal with it.
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no i didnt buy a phone to get some girls numbers. thats kinda stupid dont you think ? it just happened that i wanted a white color phone since i am sick of dark gray / or black colored phones.
also. i am sorry dude. but the X10 is laggy. its not a hardware problem. its the figgin software SE added. F##k even the unlock arrow sometimes lags. and if you think i am full of ****, your phone is coming. you tell me then what you feel.
i wouldn't be half pissed if i was on 1.6 but at least a fast software. this **** is really laggy. i use the task manager all the time just to free memory. and it still lags.
it cant be because of RAM is 256. i have tested the DROID, its also 256 and its not half as laggy as X10.
and for the other poster who think i am 4 years old with nothing else more important.. nice reply dude. shows how smart you are ... oh wait.
because i give a **** about my phone and don't pretend its cool to be outdated makes me a 4 years old ? ok there. you stay cool and stay out of my thread. maybe you will be cooler

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
no i didnt buy a phone to get some girls numbers. thats kinda stupid dont you think ? it just happened tht i wanted a white color phone since i am sick of dark gray / or black colored phones.
also. i am sorry dude. but the X10 is laggy. its not hardware problem. its the figgin software SE added. F##k even the unlock arrow sometimes lags. and if you think i am full of ****, your phone is coming. you tell me then what you feel.
i wouldnt be half pissed if i am on 1.6 but at least a fast software. this **** is really laggy. i use the task manager all the time just to free memory. and it still lags.
it cant be because of RAM is 256. i have tested the DROID, its also 256 and its not half as laggy and X10.
and for the other poster who think i am 4 years old with nothing else more important.. nice reply dude. shows how smart you are ... oh wait.
because i give a **** about my phone and don't pretend its cool to be outdate makes me 4 years old ? ok there. you stay cool and stay out of my thread. maybe you will be cooler
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you are right in every thing you said ,people here takes years to understand the big problem they fall into ,x10 is dead at only 2 monthes age

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
no i didnt buy a phone to get some girls numbers. thats kinda stupid dont you think ? it just happened that i wanted a white color phone since i am sick of dark gray / or black colored phones.
also. i am sorry dude. but the X10 is laggy. its not a hardware problem. its the figgin software SE added. F##k even the unlock arrow sometimes lags. and if you think i am full of ****, your phone is coming. you tell me then what you feel.
i wouldn't be half pissed if i was on 1.6 but at least a fast software. this **** is really laggy. i use the task manager all the time just to free memory. and it still lags.
it cant be because of RAM is 256. i have tested the DROID, its also 256 and its not half as laggy as X10.
and for the other poster who think i am 4 years old with nothing else more important.. nice reply dude. shows how smart you are ... oh wait.
because i give a **** about my phone and don't pretend its cool to be outdated makes me a 4 years old ? ok there. you stay cool and stay out of my thread. maybe you will be cooler
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RAM is actually around 384MB - I calculated more than 256MB in a test and someone else looked at a log and got more than 256Mb too.
Lagginess is down to SE's optimisation and bad firmware decision - even Android 2.0 (Original Eclair) was out months before the X10's release. (Widget list is even laggy - my pulse with a 2.1 BETA, with a 528MHz processor is smoother!

Higgins12 said:
Hmm i see more Huge differences. 1.6 always was buggy and had Issues , aside from speed. 2.1 would bring a immense speed advantage + the screen could use more then 65k colors as 1.6 is limited to this. Shipping the device with 1.6 was such dumb**** from SE. But it ever was that SE doesn't care about their Customers.
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I have not heard of a huge performance bump from 1.6 to 2.1, most of the advances in 2.1 were addressed by SE in 1.6 (bluetooth, file sharing etc) I could care less about the number of colors, they're not nearly as important as the quality of the screen and X10 trumps the Nexus Ones. The speed advantage will be in 2.2, and it's why while I didn't care that X10 shipped with 1.6 instead of 2.1, I do care whether they upgrade to 2.2 or not. They stated this is a phone that would get continuous support, I expect 2.2 on our X10's.

SE needs to just give out the 2.1 update right now! and release the 2.2 update in Q3-Q4.. This is ridiculous!! I haven't used any other android phone b4 I purchased the X10 and have nothing to base comparison of 1.6 & 2.1 based phones. What i do know is like others said on this thread Hardware isn't holding back the device, the damn laggy software is! SE please stop being stuck up snobs (AKA Apple) and listen to your customers.. I love this phone and hate to see it handicapped by the stubbornness of the manufacturer..

ll_l_x_l_ll said:
no i didnt buy a phone to get some girls numbers. thats kinda stupid dont you think ? it just happened that i wanted a white color phone since i am sick of dark gray / or black colored phones.
also. i am sorry dude. but the X10 is laggy. its not a hardware problem. its the figgin software SE added. F##k even the unlock arrow sometimes lags. and if you think i am full of ****, your phone is coming. you tell me then what you feel.
i wouldn't be half pissed if i was on 1.6 but at least a fast software. this **** is really laggy. i use the task manager all the time just to free memory. and it still lags.
it cant be because of RAM is 256. i have tested the DROID, its also 256 and its not half as laggy as X10.
and for the other poster who think i am 4 years old with nothing else more important.. nice reply dude. shows how smart you are ... oh wait.
because i give a **** about my phone and don't pretend its cool to be outdated makes me a 4 years old ? ok there. you stay cool and stay out of my thread. maybe you will be cooler
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I won't argue with the speed and I hate slow phones. And judging from pre-release software (even though they supposedly fixed it) I can tell that lag will be apparent in the x10 especially without a simple post-release update to fix common bugs. It's annoying that SE won't fix it so soon but apparently an update is coming within the next few weeks. Seems like some people's phones don't lag and some have very laggy ones so it could just be some people got the short end of the stick... either way... it needs an update.
I always wanted the x10 and backed away once I realized it was still launching with 1.6... but when I used the N1 the whole 2.0 issue wasn't a big deal for me.
My argument is that you can't have an issue with 1.6... because it's your fault for buying the phone knowing that it came with it. However, the bugs and laggy software... that's a good enough reason to be upset. The bugs on the N1 annoyed me just enough to make me feel ok getting rid of it... and it was still a great device that I wouldn't mind keeping.
If you really want to... get rid of the x10 now while you can still salvage some money from it. By the end of the summer the price will drop.
And yeah, people need to stop praising the x10 like it's the greatest android phone ever... because it's not. It's a good device though but it needs an update.
Also, I only buy the white version of phones whenever possible as well, just because they are less common.

I came to this forum looking for mature discussion about phones, instead, there's just a bunch of whiners who buy things with their parents money and then complain when the phone doesn't give them a blow job.
It's a phone for crying out loud. It does everything it's supposed to, as advertised. Updates are coming. If you're so immature that you can't wait a few months, do everyone a favor, go get some other phone, and go away.

iead1 said:
It's a phone for crying out loud. It does everything it's supposed to, as advertised. Updates are coming. If you're so immature that you can't wait a few months, do everyone a favor, go get some other phone, and go away.
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Funny that you should say that mate, but when I got mine the week it was released in the UK, I struggled to text and make calls!
The SE keyboard was not registering Key presses e.g "A".
During a call the volume was far too quiet and I struggled to hear the person on the other end (even at max volume). The screen wouldn't always wake either for me to be able to end the call.
I guess you can argue that it still did everything, but just not very well!
TimeScape make the UI really sluggish set as home and MediaScape cannot create playlists and misses key presses.
Facial recognition is hit and miss and has a habit of losing its entire memory.
I had to debrand and upgrade the firmware to make it pass as useable and replace the keyboard with HTC one.
I was aware of the phones shortcomings when I purchased so I know that it is my own fault.
However reason I still went ahead with the purchase was because SE reps and reviews told me 2 things.
1. The delayed release was to fix the major issues with UX integration
2. It wouldn't be long before it would be upgraded to 2.1
So I personally can understand why some people are moaning.

ok honestly, i gave this alot of thoughts yesterday and i made up my mind. i am going to sell my xperia x10 today in the phone market.
i will try to find a used nexus 1 in a good condition. if i cant, then i will buy new one today anyway since i don't have a second phone.
i am just hoping for used one so i dont pay much extra.
**** this really. let them shove that pretty white phone up their ass. i was stupid for buying one.
i hope you guys have fun with your phone, and i hope you will be able to get it rooted very soon. by the time they do som the new iphone will probably be out in few months and even the EVO 4g World wide " **** this CDMA **** too " but yeah.
maybe the other guys who were bashing in this thread will shut up and be happy.
peace

blackwindexe said:
I had a Nexus One. It was a great device but didn't impress me like I wanted it to. Would I recommend it to others? Definitely! Does 2.2 make me regret returning the N1? No.... though the speed and flash is nice. The speed of the phone was the one thing that I enjoyed on 2.1 so I'm sure 2.2 is even faster... and I hate laggy phones so I hope I don't get upset once my x10 comes in... but l know what I'm getting into and I need to deal with it.
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Serious mistake returning the N1, 2.2 is amazing. Speed of it unreal, browser is almost as fast as a desktop browser. Flash, wireless tethering, chrome to phone is amazing.
How can you go backwards to 1.6?!?!!

Who is with me?
With all the gripes that we have with this phone right now, including no 2.1 for a 8 months (by which time SE will launch a newer Android device and pay no attention to X10 owners) as well as multitouch, live wallpapers, hundreds of apps that dont run on anything less than 2.1 etc etc, I think its high time we hit SE where it hurts.
Bring on AMOLED, 512 MB RAM, native flash and 2.2 around the corner.
Who needs a 8MP camera. Seriously, all cameras on mobile phones are **** anyways.
The screen size is a tad smaller, but so is the phone (which is better in my books).
Any other reasons anyone can think of apart from the obvious?
Just about to flog it on fleebay/gumtree

You sound horribly insecure. Its just a phone. Relax for god sake.

thats because i probably am... or perhaps just enlightened...
more fits of insecurity coming your way

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You sound horribly insecure. Its just a phone. Relax for god sake.
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Exactly its phone nothing more. Jheeze what a pointless thread.

I sincerly hope you are satisfied once you switch.
The X10 is as advertised and I am happy with it as is.

Im sure you are all very happy with the device at hand and this is probably not the best forum for this topic, although I know of a lot of users here who feel the same way about the X10 and would be willing to move away.
If not now, than a couple of months down the line, you will all be singing the same tune when most of the apps stop offering upgrades on the 1.6 platform.

Everyone's opinion is welcome and a forum (any) is the perfect place to express it.
I respect your opinion and your reasoning as it does have merit.
For me, this is my first run on Android.
I like the SE UI and the apps are secondary to me.

i'm with you. but i'm going for the nexus one. receiving that piece of sexy tomorrow.

I will wait another month or so, to see if we get it rooted. If not, ill be getting a 4G when available in the UK

boring htc phones
To be very honest i think Desire and Nexus are both boring not so well designed phones. They´re geek phones with no aesthetics. X10 it´s way more sleek, elegant and big! Froyo will come as well to the X10... just patience my friends. Who know we get the phone rooted pretty soon...

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

seriously im getting tired of these "omg ive had it with this x10 gotta sell it" go ahead , no one really cares. coming from 2.1, i still dont care if the x10 is still 1.6, its fast,sexy and its just a phone! im all for root, and itll come. for now though people who dont sit at home all day in mommys basement are enjoying the x10.
i certainly hope puberty doesnt confuse you as much as your x10 dilemma.
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anyone who is happy with the way the x10 is right now is seriously either super retard OR cant/doesnt have the money/whatever reason to switch to another phone. "ofcourse i am talking software wise " not the phone it self in general as i used to have X10 and i love the design of the phone more than my new nexus 1
anyway OP. i did the same yesterday, i bought the Nexus 1 tho. mainly because i never like the HTC interface and i figure that phones like nexus and motorolla droid are always faster to get updates " since i wont wait for htc to implement their software into the phone before updating.
the guy at the store promised me not to sell my x10 for a week " he is a friend " if SE annouce 2.2 by then or the phone get rooted " haha wtf i am thinking " then great i will get it back. if not, then the hell with SE. let them shove the phone up their @$$. or some unlucky mfer buy it

let us know if it hurts when yours drop too...wait there should be a thread for prepubescent b00ns...
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Seriously just keep the x10 for now. Root will come sooner or later. You knew the x10 would come with 1. 6 then why did you buy it in the first place? If I have the patience to wait for 2. 1 or root then so does everyone else, unless you don't have a life and loaft around xda starting useless threads saying ur gonna sell your x10 for another phone. If so go ahead no one is stopping you. We don't need to know anything else. As far as I know this is the xperia x10 thread.
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i'm going to be keeping the x10 for a while even after my nexus one gets here today.
i have faith in x10. but the phone seriously is limited by the OS. the nexus one's looks are a matter of opinion and mostly on taste. i love the way it looks but all the good features are on newer OS.
we all knew Android would be updated. but i don't think people expected the phone to have such a long wait for an update with an outdated OS. you get an android phone these days for the reason that the OS will only get better with updates. everyone sees the petition thread, right?
if OS didn't mean a thing and that it didn't have any issues for the X10, no one would be complaining.

Moving to another phone in the future?
Maybe.
HTC? No way ..
What else?
A new iteration of Nexus, maybe a better Galaxy S (one with flash for camera) or a Motorola Motoroi if they decide to sell it in US/Canada.
But really... HTC?
I'm sorry to say but you are crazy
Giving your X10 for HTC Desire/Legend or Nexus One is pointless.
None of them is as good as X10.

tuxStyle said:
But really... HTC?
I'm sorry to say but you are crazy
Giving your X10 for HTC Desire/Legend or Nexus One is pointless.
None of them is as good as X10.
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pointless ? ..... what planet are you from ?

I agree with miguelsantos1979.
1st Gen AMLOED screens are not overly impressive, my friend has the Desire and he struggles to see the screen in direct sun light.
If you want to change the handset, change it rather then write a post like a spoilt child

Well, assuming that people don't have the cash to switch to another phone when they are having a X10 is the most useless comment I read here since I became a member, it's not about having cash my friend, it's about what you expect from something you bought and if the product suits you or not.
Fortunately everyone is different, I like my X10 eventhough on my X1 I was able to make my own themes and tweaked whatever I wanted. Ashame some games can't be installed because of the fact it is still running on 1.6, but that's not worth getting another phone for me personally. I will wait for the updates, and as soon as SE comes with the update, there will be something new to complain about. That is how it works in this fastgrowing technology world we live in.
Another point can be not everyone goes so deep in their phones as we do, and for "normal" people the X10 is fantastic as it is. SE want to sell big with this phone, so making it to complicated scares of the average customer who just buys a phone based on the looks of it, and you have to admit, the first time you had the X10 in your hand, it was looking good
Just relax and take a beer after you bought yourself another phone
Cheers,
Arnold

I swear this is a serious question... I have posted here and not the Captivate forum because I really want thoughtful responses and not smart-ass answers.
After over a year's wait, the X10 is finally coming to AT&T tomorrow. I've had only Ericssons and Sony Ericssons since 1998. I have always been a fan of SE designs and loved having a unique phone. Perhaps earlier this year I would have immediately jumped on the X10. However, the Samsung Captivate has generally received higher scores, and on multiple reviews, has also been named the best Android phone on AT&T.
I am trying really hard to like the X10 more than the Captivate, but can any X10 owners offer compelling reasons to go with the X10? Please assume the 2.1 update arrives as planned. I understand this is objective, but I really just want the "best" AT&T phone.
So far, my main reasons to go with the X10 are:
1) I love SE phones.
2) I've loved SE cameras, and the X10's appears to perform better than the Captivate's.
3) The camera flash/bright LED light has saved me in more than one situation throughout the years.
4) Mediascape seems to be highly regarded in most of the reviews I have read, and I plan to upload music, pictures, and videos to this phone.
5) I personally like the X10 design more than the Captivate.
Also, a few questions before I play with both phones tomorrow:
1) Does the lack of multi-touch really make a difference?
2) Does the UXP act as clunky as reviews have said it does?
Thanks in advance for your thoughts!
Christian

In my mind x10 is not the best smart phone out there.
It has a os version behind others and lack of mt
I not sure is 2.1 will improve the system as i never tried b4
but if u not a hardcore gamer den mt is not a problem for you.
Lack of mt mean can't play game like pspxdroid smootly
And Samsung Captivate is really a powerful mobile but the power usage is higher too.
X10 is the only phone i know that your phone can last u a day without much worry that your batt will run out till the end of the day if you control your batt usage well.
And i just love the design of the phone i think is the few design that score toe to toe with iphone 4g and that why i go for it. And the problem with all the older os compare to htc/samsumg cause x10 have a sony UI design where making it different. I love the background at the setting page compare to the normal black background (just make you think it not customize before)
But if you got the chances to hold both phone i believe x10 look really great especial the white phone=)
Note: Some other user said: Buying a smart phone is like getting a wife. =)
it never going to be prefect in any way. But if you love it? that good enough.
Hope you pick the right wife for you=)

You already put up 5 good reasons to get the X10 so it sounds to me like you already want it.
As to your questions:
1: Multi touch was impressive when I tried it other phones and was a big negative against me getting the X10, but now that I got the X10 anyway the controls work just fine for me.
2: I'm sure the user experience could be better, I don't like everything about this phone but it seems pretty good overall. I would say as just a phone, the X10 needs some improvement, but as a data device it does everything I need.

my opinion
hi im from australia,
we dont have the samsung captivate but we have the samsung galaxy s, and i curently own the SE X10 which i chose over the samsung galaxy s.
i work in a telco shop so i get to play with the galaxy all the time and ive compared it to my x10, and i chose the x10.
this is what ive notices about the 2 handsets.
X10:
the battery life in the start was really bad, but as about 2 weeks passed, the battery actually started lasting longer, must be just because it was new and just needed a few proper charges.
the original software that came on it was a bit laggy an had a few problems with it but im now on the (26) software and its working great
i personally dont care for multi touch and not so much about games either (i have ipod touch and i play all my games on that.
although i have quiet a lot of games on my x10 and they all play great,
i use vignette as my main camera app and the photos i get with it are spectacular you may check them here http://img375.imageshack.us/g/20100710160347439.jpg/
i prefer the screen of the x10, yes i know that the galaxy has a supper amoled, ive had the omnia II i8000 which had an amoled screen and really dont care for it.
with the update the phone will be even better and faster. at the same time as much as i hope we get 2.1 soon and 2.2 following i really dont think that numbers matter too much, i got the phone because it did what i wanted for me.
now on to the GALAXY S:
great supper amoled screen,
16gig internal memory
multi touch
2.1 and soon getting 2.2 which will make it as insane phone especially for games (if thats what you want)
but one thing ive noticed is that when ever i use our store demo which has the latest software and all the same apps as my x10 (i set it up in the same way)
the galaxy s seems to lag a fair bit over time and requires a reboot to fix that.
the only thing that the galaxy has that i really wanted was SWYPE KEYBOARD and i actually got it on my x10 and its working great.
at the same time i see a lot of people buying both these phones, and no one as of yet has come back with problems with them,
i dont know if ive helped much in your decision but i just say pick one that has what you want

To answer some of your questions:
UXP is quite good. That being said, Mediascape should make you change your mind. It's definitely good, but not good enough to die for. You will find better picture viewers (JustPictures) and media players (Rock Player) in the Android market for free.
Captivate has multi-touch, SAMOLED and newer Android. However, it's build quality is weaker.
Multitouch doesnt matter in most apps. Pinch and zoom isn't really a big deal. However, some of the games require multi-touch. Once again, it isn't a deal breaker, but it is important enough to be considered.
Btw, Amazon will be offering X10 with contract for 50 bucks. What is the best deal you can get on the Captivate?

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2) I've loved SE cameras, and the X10's appears to perform better than the Captivate's.
Christian
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Some of the images captured from stock camera, you will see lot of variance in quality due, reason being user.....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724314

There's one reason I would not recommend buying a SE phone, cruddy customer support and a desire to have people update to latest phone rather then keep developing older models. They try to make the customers pay over and over for the same stuff, look at the way they treated PSP users who got the new model.
Sony doesn't get enthusiast smart phones, HTC and Apple do; they know that regular on time updates are important to us. That's who I'd be buying a smart phone from. Sony cater to the mass market uneducated customers who dont know how to upgrade their os or don't care.
Upshot, we will get 2.1 very late, we might get 2.2 when everyone is getting 3.0. I'll eat my hat if X10 will get 3.0, by then SE will see it as cannibalizing sales of their newest phone.
Also, x10 lacks the 512 ram that's talked about as likely prerequisite for 3.0. So, it's a well built phone with a limited lifespan. I'd go with an HTC phone for android, they get smartphones and have a prooven track record. Samsung are new at this game, so we will see. The Galaxy build quality is much poorer than SE, HTC or Apple.
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... look at the way they treated PSP users who got the new model.
Sony doesn't get enthusiast smart phones, HTC and Apple do; they know that regular on time updates are important to us. That's who I'd be buying a smart phone from. Sony cater to the mass market uneducated customers who dont know how to upgrade their os or don't care.
Also, x10 lacks the 512 ram that's talked about as likely prerequisite for 3.0. So, it's a well built phone with a limited lifespan. I'd go with an HTC phone for android, they get smartphones and have a prooven track record. Samsung are new at this game, so we will see. The Galaxy build quality is much poorer than SE, HTC or Apple.
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1st Sony and Sony Ericsson are two different companies.
2nd we have plenty of firmware updates but no OS updates. We will have one very soon now. HTC have made a lot more Android phones. This is SE's first and i think they did a pretty good job as well.
3rd there is no prerequisite for Android 3.0. Google haven't said anything about that.

I'd say go with what you really like in your hand and to your eyes. Both are great phones and you will get over many of the cons with either phones with help on several forums.
I owned several phones in the last 3 years and started to like to SE designs more ever since I owned W910. Recently, I owned Nexus One and iPhone 4 but settled with X10 mainly for how it feels in my hands and for the looks.
It has quite a few annoying functionality issues but I got around them after a week or two. I have the white X10a which makes it even more special.
99% of the time I use my phone to make calls, text, googleTalk, Maps, and Browsing. So, MT doesn't even come to my thoughts and 1.6 feels fine.
Some apps that makes X10 even better
1. ADW Launcher
2. CalWidget
3. Beautiful Widgets (Paid App)
4. Weather & Toggle Donate (paid). You don't need if u get Beautiful Widgets.
5. Switch Pro Widget (Paid app)
6. JustPictures (I use Smugmug so, it rocks)
7. MixZing Media Player
8. Data Counter widget (if you don't have unlimited data plan)

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1st Sony and Sony Ericsson are two different companies.
2nd we have plenty of firmware updates but no OS updates. We will have one very soon now. HTC have made a lot more Android phones. This is SE's first and i think they did a pretty good job as well.
3rd there is no prerequisite for Android 3.0. Google haven't said anything about that.
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1) SE is owned 50% by Sony and share lots of board members, marketing etc etc. It's for all intents and purposes a subsidiary company,
2) Yes, firmware updates that FAILED to address basic flaws in the phone, and would have been unnecessary if they rolled out 2.0, 2.1, and we should have 2.2 by now. Instead we are hoping that maybe we can get 2.1 - 6 months late. The phone is well made, no argument, not quite up to Apple standard, but definitely better built than other top tier androids.
SE won't learn if they treat customers like **** and we take it. I'm not sure that they can change their corporate mentality enough to make a difference. It's a massive multi-national, X10 is one of millions of other products ranging from bog rolls to rockets, they will never care as much about any individual product. HTC makes smart phones, they can't afford to get a bad rep, this is good for us, the customers. Even Apple have more at stake with the iPhone. I fear Samsung will head in SE's footsteps, but, I haven't heard much about them either way. Sony has a reputation for spreading their customers' butt cheeks and ramming **** in.
3) The 512MB RAM pre-req has been floated by a number of sources, it will give SE perfect excuse not to give us 3.0; almost like it's been planned...
Also, another reason to avoid SE, we had pretty little progress on hacking the bootloader. Sony are fanatically against modding communities on their products - I wouldn't be surprised if it's never broken.
All in all, if you've already got X10, and it's working fine for you - I wouldn't rush out and sell it. However, you can get better phones from more customer friendly manufacturers nowadays; I would NOT buy a new X10.

kitsVA said:
Some apps that makes X10 even better
1. ADW Launcher
2. CalWidget
3. Beautiful Widgets (Paid App)
4. Weather & Toggle Donate (paid). You don't need if u get Beautiful Widgets.
5. Switch Pro Widget (Paid app)
6. JustPictures (I use Smugmug so, it rocks)
7. MixZing Media Player
8. Data Counter widget (if you don't have unlimited data plan)
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LOL, you've got pretty much same setup as me. I would just add
9)Penetrate 10)Wifi Analyzer 11)Handcent and replace 7) with bTunes

i think that you will have to choose between a good build quality and lack of software upgrades (SE) and moderate build quality but better software support (samsung). I would go with the first choice but there is little chance that the bootloader will be cracked so no custom ROM to compensate SE laziness.

consolation said:
1) SE is owned 50% by Sony and share lots of board members, marketing etc etc. It's for all intents and purposes a subsidiary company,
2) Yes, firmware updates that FAILED to address basic flaws in the phone, and would have been unnecessary if they rolled out 2.0, 2.1, and we should have 2.2 by now. Instead we are hoping that maybe we can get 2.1 - 6 months late. The phone is well made, no argument, not quite up to Apple standard, but definitely better built than other top tier androids.
SE won't learn if they treat customers like **** and we take it. I'm not sure that they can change their corporate mentality enough to make a difference. It's a massive multi-national, X10 is one of millions of other products ranging from bog rolls to rockets, they will never care as much about any individual product. HTC makes smart phones, they can't afford to get a bad rep, this is good for us, the customers. Even Apple have more at stake with the iPhone. I fear Samsung will head in SE's footsteps, but, I haven't heard much about them either way. Sony has a reputation for spreading their customers' butt cheeks and ramming **** in.
3) The 512MB RAM pre-req has been floated by a number of sources, it will give SE perfect excuse not to give us 3.0; almost like it's been planned...
Also, another reason to avoid SE, we had pretty little progress on hacking the bootloader. Sony are fanatically against modding communities on their products - I wouldn't be surprised if it's never broken.
All in all, if you've already got X10, and it's working fine for you - I wouldn't rush out and sell it. However, you can get better phones from more customer friendly manufacturers nowadays; I would NOT buy a new X10.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Here's the 1.6 vs 2.1 difference:
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.0-highlights.html
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.1.html
Although, I agree with you that SE have made 1.6 a LOT better than the stock version.
And I think we'll get 2.2 at least because of this:
http://twitter.com/SonyEricssonUK/status/15260820648
But, when we'll get it, is the problem.

@CinCa0989
I would choose the Samsung Captivate if you want to play 3D games on your phone, due to its better gpu and multitouch capability.
I would also choose it if you want the latest software, whatever it is.
If you don't care about 3d games, multitouch or updates, get the X10.
Also, choose the X10, if you like taking pictures, and want better-looking videos. It will have 720p recording soon (by Q3 end), and an LED is better than no LED.

Tjotte said:
I'm sorry but why the **** did you get a SE phone for in the first place? You seem to really hate SE down to the core and yet you support them by buying their products, seems very strange to me. And SE has been totally open from the beginning with the OS issue and you should very well have known what you purchased, if not, the only failer here is you and not SE. And just look at the magics they have worked on 1.6! The only real difference from 2.1 is a tidy bit slower kernel and no live wallpapers, appart from that SE really did transform 1.6 in a fantastic way and i high hopes for further releases.
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Don't apologise for SE, you sound like someone in an abusive relations who takes any scraps thrown at you as evidence of "love." He hits me 'cause he loves me... SE took people who paid for a premium phone for a ride, no excuses, premium products should come with premium support. I don't hate SE, they are big corp acting like big corps do, but I don't have to like getting shafted.
TBH, I got it for my GF who wanted a decent camera; she used it for a couple of weeks, said "what a piece of crap" and got an iPhone 4. Although her beef was more with the flea market, sorry, android marketplace and the OS rather than the hardware - well she had some pretty strong opinions on the lack of multitouch. Since I need an android phone for work, I ditched my MT3G and hanged on to the XPERIA. I actually think there's a great phone struggling to be set free in there; if we could get 2.2 & ditch all the Sony crapola we'd be rocking.

consolation said:
TBH, I got it for my GF who wanted a decent camera; she used it for a couple of weeks, said "what a piece of crap" and got an iPhone 4. Although her beef was more with the flea market, sorry, android marketplace and the OS rather than the hardware - well she had some pretty strong opinions on the lack of multitouch. Since I need an android phone for work, I ditched my MT3G and hanged on to the XPERIA. I actually think there's a great phone struggling to be set free in there; if we could get 2.2 & ditch all the Sony crapola we'd be rocking.
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Hey guys no need to be rude. The OP asked for personal opinion and not smart-ass answers .As far as "what a piece of crap" goes did you mean the camera is crap or the phone? In my opinion X10 has one of the best camera if not the best available in Android phones.

Yes the camera is as good as they get. My only issue is lack of mic levels so it's hard to record gigs without clipping.
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I'll keep it short. I apologize for my previous post, not knowing another fellas background story. I'm just really tired of all the whining on pree release knowledge. I'm happy with my phone, prolly spent 15-20h gathering knowledge before purchase. Peace ppl, and i hope the OP will be happy with whatever choice he makes!
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consolation said:
LOL, you've got pretty much same setup as me. I would just add
9)Penetrate 10)Wifi Analyzer 11)Handcent and replace 7) with bTunes
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How did I forget Handcent? Maybe I use it so much that I feel it's the default Messaging app. Need to check out how the default one is .

we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game

ellokomen said:
we have been through a very harsh process of finally getting the 2.1 update on our phones, SE said to have another update on the UIX by december and now I have seen the multi touch working officialy by Rikard on the SE Blog, said by him to have it enabled by the next year Q1 with another update.
This looks like the guys over SE likes to keep their users kind of frustrated with future hopes of getting the phone better with updates, I'm starting to think that they see this like a game
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If they are updating the OS frequently it only shows how they care for their device and want it to be better in my opinion.
Why does it bother you if they are working on an update?
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Versus the non-update game SE typically does?
I'm fine with them improving our phones. Bring it on SE!

Btw there isn't an update in December....that was pushed to "early 2011" and my guess is that multitouch will be included in that update

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that was pushed to "early 2011"
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I think the update comming out to SEUS 31/03-11 (The day before the 4. Quarter)

Maybe Sony Ericsson dont have lots os programmers, and they are not good enough to do the things before the others, the Android 1.6 are ver good costumized by SE, but there are things that needs to be programmed, like:
- Multitouch (driver)
- 16M colors (driver)
- Audio (actual driver is very bad)
- Android 2.2 (costumize and optimize to X10)

I would rather say that they have very good cryptographic team, because that is from what I can see, the best they have on their hardware.

The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there

unknown13x said:
The update in December is delayed to Q1, its the same as the one Rikard mentioned. However this will be another big update, not just enabling partial MT. Though the FW is set to launch in early January, so we should see alot of these new FW stuff at CES which I'll also be there
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Cool! Its been a while since we've heard from you
Any idea what the other features are? (*hint* - froyo ? )

Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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Tjotte said:
I can't help but laugh at all the haters who already sold their phones after reading this, i knew about the update but not that it would bring MT.
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The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".

jayluke said:
The X10 was, up to just recently, an incredibly crippled phone. Officially running 1.6 into the tenth month of 2010 is an embarrassment. I wouldn't laugh at anyone who decided to cut their losses and look for a better alternative.
The devs on XDA deserve a lot of credit for their perseverance. It is them that made this phone relevant again. Not SE's "brilliant engineers".
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Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.

Mr Patchy Patch said:
Update game or not, im personally fine with it and I think it only shows SE cares about us and the device. They weren't going to implement multi touch but I think they chose to do so because of us the users. If you ask me I say bravo to SE and this might restore some faith into the SE bashers.....it could be a possible sign for froyo.
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They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?

Udonitron said:
They LIED about the MT since the beginning man. They said the screen was resistive and not capacitive and now they say "oh...we didn't realize it was capacitive. sorry!" Right they didn't...they do not know their own hardware they are developing for?
They do not care...they launched a phone with an outdated OS when 2.1 was already out and it took them 6 months to skin it and add in their branded goods. Now the X12 is going to be launched with 2.1 when 3.0 will be out upon its launch...see a trend here? I personally do not think they care and will never buy another SE phone. Pretty sure many feel the same...see the value of the X10's on eBay now? Dirt and yet the Nexus, older, is selling for $500+ still with the vanilla OS on it. What does that tell you? Function over fashion. Bring on the 2.2 ROM from Jerpelea & Z That will be the saving grace for me and allow me to keep this phone a bit longer. Pretty much every other newer Android phone out there has MT so this phone getting MT after almost a year really is not something to be excited over. Especially when it will only be enabled for surfing and Google maps!?
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There's a lot of hate for SE, but as long as they try to improve the SE experience for those with SE phones, I'm happy. Could they be doing better? Just enabling MT for the X10 is so much more than what they have done in the past. Maybe it's because I had a Nokia as my last phone that I'm happy with any substantial improvement in the OS, haha.
I forgot where I read it, but the turnaround time from new OS to handset is roughly 4 months (it used to be nearly 12 months). Froyo (2.2) came out in May and it's only been in the last couple months where handsets have been getting 2.2. The exception is the N1, but then again, that was sold as a phone for enthusiasts (and pretty much what they're using to test it on). When Gingerbread (2.3) comes out, you can expect at least another 4 months before it gets pushed OTA (besides the N1 and the NS). As they learn Android, I'm sure they'll be faster in issuing updates. Motorola was (and sometimes is) pretty slow in pushing updates for their phones but now they're cranking it out.
In regards to multi-touch... Did they ever say resistive? They were up front when they said it wasn't going to have MT. Yeah, but I agree they should have had it on the X10 in the first place. The N1 didn't have MT at first and they were quick to add it. Nexus One's MT is the same as the future X10 MT. They both are designed for pinch to zoom applications, its a limitation found in the hardware. Games will work but it will have the same multi-touch limitations as the N1. And of course - phones that have just come out have better multitouch... they're newer phones based on newer chipsets which use newer technologies.

I dont get the big idea about MT, its not a big thing, hardly use it on my wildfire.
In regards to the x10 launched with 1.6 for me it was running better than any other device with 2.1 on there. Touch wood but ive never had any problems apart from the in ear volume. So what if the value has dropped. Its the sentimental value that counts.
I praise the devs for their hardwork. Also SE...however i will say Rikard and SE need to get off their fat arses and stop delaying everything.
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rvictorg said:
Couldn't agree more about both points.
Personally I'm still very resentful towards SE and will not buy nor recommend any of their products for a least a couple years. The whole talking up THEIR "brilliant engineers" is just more bull**** and pisses me off, is that supposed to be a slap in the face to all the devs out there working to fix their mistakes? Why not tell us the truth about the hardware all along? Why cripple your phone with outdated buggy software and program it not to have multi-touch? What is the incentive there?
At least they're finally listening to all the negative feedback they've been getting, but still...a big part of me wanted to see the devs accomplish multi-touch and Froyo before SE.
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i think ur taking it too far man...personally i think 1.6 was pretty good and after i updated to 2.1 i was very pleased. the updating was easy and i easily restored my contacts using the default backup and restore app
the battery life on the x10 is incredible, consitently get about 2 full days of regular usage(surfing net before classes, a little talking, some txting and listening to 1-2 hrs of music everyday). while my friend with the iphone 4 complains about terrible battery and dropped calls(he has a case too!)
the phone looks very nice and feels solid, the software isn't "buggy" i haven't had any problems with it at all(no root or anything btw). and the 2.1 version is soo smooth and looks very nice compared to say a stock android 2.1. people complain about mediascape and timescape, but personally i love them timescape doesn't use too much cpu if u disable the services (like txt, email, fb, etc) and mediascape is miles ahead of android in media playing ability.
and just to remind you, those engineers are working very hard, remember they have to develop the software for the phone from scratch and optimize every bit of it, and yes the developers here do a lot of work, but they just have to fix what the engineers messed up or modify some files, and with thousands of lines of code, its easy to mess up somewhere. im a chemical engineering major right now, and i dont know anything about computers, but in general engineers are very bright people and probably know what they are doing better than what we do.

though im not a se fanboy (this is my first se product and might be my last) some people need to tone it down. stop ranting against se like theyre the antichrist. this is my first android phone so i was still amazed with my phone even with 1.6. (android 1.6 is waaaaay better than ios 3.0) and after flashing to 2.1 my phone is enough to make my friends agree that my x10 is better than one of our friend's iphone 4 (i wouldnt be so sure of that but when they see me multitasking with widgets, live wallpaper, H connection what evr the hell that is, and removeable parts like batteries, memory, sim, etc. its hard to disagree) i will admit the x10 is nerfed by se but if you wanted a phone that focused more on android rather than custom software you should have done your research. i knew from the begining that my phone was an "android" but with se's "timescape and mediascape" ontop of "1.6" which is outdated. i also read that mt wasnt available and most likely wouldnt be. these are the things that piss people off yet these are the things you always see in online reviews, the research isnt hard. i knew what i was reading before i even knew what the terms fully meant. luckily we have devs to help fix these problems, but as i said earlier once i can upgrade i doubt ill get a se phone again (unless that psphone turns out to be real and stable, that thing looks sweet)
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one think we should thank to the updates is that the price of the device that had dropped very down, maybe getting up right now.
so we have:
android 2.1,
1ghz,
4 inches
and
MT coming soon.
Try to catch a phone with those features with less than 360 bucks on ebay, only the X10.
I was thinking to getting the droid 2 GSM when it comes out, but now I really like my phone with those new things.
And the upcoming android 2.2 will be very welcome among us
SE works hard to make their devices with a pleasant experience, just like apple do with their iphones that have the best out-of-the-box experience among smartphone. even if Sony doesn't have the best state of the art technology on the world of android, we cannot deny that the UI has been carefully finished.
and btw, the x10 with 2.1 is among the best battery life GSM android phones right now, just ask someone who owns a Evo 4G about battery life and you will get it
Note: the H up there means HSDPA, which is commonly known as 3.5G for internet access, sometimes it will go to 3G again because of low signal or very congested network

I love the update game and hope it continues since it feels like I have a new phone every time a big update comes out. I find it incredible that people complain about SE keeping the promise they made to support the phone for 2 years.

i found this on facebook if it has been posted befor then sorry
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=283958346371&topic=16031
and
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=283958346371&topic=15977
they tell us why the wont update past 2.1

they're not supporting customers, and they're not supporting supporters who supports customers..

So Aimee is basically saying 2.1 kernel + 2.2/2.3 firmware = good but 2.2/2.3 kernel + 2.2/2.3 firmware = crap. How can that possibly be right when the newer kernels are supposed to be more optimised. Derp.

The sad thing is, some people will believe Aimee's bull about how the x10 doesn't run froyo well.
And people who know better will feel insulted.
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Their generic responses are both hilarious and frustrating... I can't believe they actually expect people to buy that.

Looks like Aimee is "programmed" to repeat and repeat the same answer. And she doesn't answer when ppl talk about benchmark scores.
That only proves one thing, SE didn't update X10 for just one reason: they didn't want to.

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Their generic responses are both hilarious and frustrating... I can't believe they actually expect people to buy that.
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Yeah, they could have at least tried a bit harder to come up with a better excuse.

Their stupid excuses aren't fooling anyone. It's fascinating that a company like Sony Ericsson knows less about their own products and the os than the devs here do. They admit making mistakes on the X10 (it doesn't mean they should stop supporting it) but instead, they release a whole bunch of new phones with nearly all the same hardware and capabilities as the X10, wow.

one person hit the nail on the head when they said "y dont you give us stock android for the x10 instead of the sony ui timescape and media scape are not needed if your devs tested stock android then it would run fast we dont need the sony crap " thank god for xda

Love to be a fly on the wall of the SE boardroom when they discover we're all flashing our X10s with their ARC firmware (which will be today hopefully). I swear they live in their own little reality that bears no resemblance to the world the rest of us live in. They've been shown to be incompetent then try to cover their asses with glaringly obvious lies. SE reminds me of a child who thinks if they cover their eyes they become invisible.

trips at it again
have a look at this
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All apps work, sensors work, lights work, vibrator works, etc etc etc soon will be a release.
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he's testing his arc rom on the x10
more info here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=11743300#post11743300

IF s/e did release a 2.2 or 2.3 update, the X10 would actually run so fast that the ARC loose it's news value...
The ONLY thing the ARC has to show is increased speed...
They say that ARC run about 4 times faster than the X10, but already the devs here has proved that the X10 can also run 4 times faster with custom firmware...
So why should S/E loose those potential ARC-speed craving customers in the process...
IF S/E WAS fair, they would support the X10 with the latest firmware for at least 2 years, but we all know their history, they DON'T care about the customers at all...
They only care about sell as low support and crappy product as possible...
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pshdo said:
IF s/e did release a 2.2 or 2.3 update, the X10 would actually run so fast that the ARC loose it's news value...
The ONLY thing the ARC has to show is increased speed...
They say that ARC run about 4 times faster than the X10, but already the devs here has proved that the X10 can also run 4 times faster with custom firmware...
So why should S/E loose those potential ARC-speed craving customers in the process...
IF S/E WAS fair, they would support the X10 with the latest firmware for at least 2 years, but we all know their history, they DON'T care about the customers at all...
They only care about sell as low support and crappy product as possible...
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Htc manages to do it with their older phones and still sell plenty so even if they were to try and use that argument it would fail.
If anything people would respect them more and would come back to buy another SE phone for their next phone.
P.S.- I like the "Lost" reference

Could anyone explain how this phone with an inferior processor than X10's is upgradable to Gingerbread?
Looks like not only Arc is capable to run A2.3, as SE tries to convince us...

First, I have been running 2.2 without APPS2SD on my X10a for about a week, and I have to tell you that I completely understand SE's statement regarding the unique x10 2.1 user experience being a fair / equal alternative to vanilla / generic 2.2 Froyo. To be fair, my 2.1 experience is with JIT enabled and junk apps removed. My quadrant score is significantly higher on 2.2 and the browser is faster, but that is where it ends. To be honest, does anyone even know what these scores mean?
I think it boils down to the "feel", and I like customized 2.1 feel and use better. Especially the messenger and phonebook. The home screen lags like I have never seen before on beta4 2.2. The scrolling app tray is unresponsive and cave man slow. Apps don't open up immediately no matter if I use stock or ADW. It goes back to the home screen, then takes a couple seconds for the app to open. Adding widgets or shortcuts to the homescreen takes minutes and multiple attempts. Dualtouch/touchscreen is terrible. Force close apps frequently.
I also have heard from other members, including a couple advanced users, that they too prefer the X10 2.1 optimized experience over generic 2.2 and have gone to a modified stock 2.1 Rom found on xda, that has all the cool optimizations including zip aligned apps for even faster performance.
Yes, there are a few apps that need 2.2, but I don't use them (yet). The main one I was looking at using was voice actions by Google. However, I like Vlingo app just as much.
Edit: If the Arc ROM is that portable to the x10, you know for sure that SE has known this all along. They couldn't say it publicly and expect to sell new Arcs, so all you whiners and SE bashers can shut up if this is true. Insert foot in mouth.

^^hahahahahahhaa that definitely gets the "retarded post of the day award"
What version of 2.2 did you use that was slow? Mine is lightning fast!
Some people will force themselves to believe anything

agentJBM said:
First, I have been running 2.2 without APPS2SD on my X10a for about a week, and I have to tell you that I completely understand SE's statement regarding the unique x10 2.1 user experience being a fair / equal alternative to vanilla / generic 2.2 Froyo. To be fair, my 2.1 experience is with JIT enabled and junk apps removed. My quadrant score is significantly higher on 2.2 and the browser is faster, but that is where it ends. To be honest, does anyone even know what these scores mean?
I think it boils down to the "feel", and I like customized 2.1 feel and use better. Especially the messenger and phonebook. The home screen lags like I have never seen before on beta4 2.2. The scrolling app tray is unresponsive and cave man slow. Apps don't open up immediately no matter if I use stock or ADW. It goes back to the home screen, then takes a couple seconds for the app to open. Adding widgets or shortcuts to the homescreen takes minutes and multiple attempts. Dualtouch/touchscreen is terrible. Force close apps frequently.
I also have heard from other members, including a couple advanced users, that they too prefer the X10 2.1 optimized experience over generic 2.2 and have gone to a modified stock 2.1 Rom found on xda, that has all the cool optimizations including zip aligned apps for even faster performance.
Yes, there are a few apps that need 2.2, but I don't use them (yet). The main one I was looking at using was voice actions by Google. However, I like Vlingo app just as much.
Edit: If the Arc ROM is that portable to the x10, you know for sure that SE has known this all along. They couldn't say it publicly and expect to sell new Arcs, so all you whiners and SE bashers can shut up if this is true. Insert foot in mouth.
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The point here is, one more time: if X10 is already good with stock Eclair (I know 'cause Im using it right now, I haven't tried any custom A2.2 ROM... yet, so I can't talk about it), why not delivering at least stock A2.2 if X10 could run it very well? Some call that "strategy", but hey, Im pretty sure not all of us are gonna run to buy Arc as soon as is available just to have stock Gingerbread... I personally won't do it. So, I can't see any good strategy in that... But well, I will want to see SE's financial reports at the end of 2011, if they success they could shut us up and I'll accept they were right. But if not... Ups.
We got this debate before, and the arguments that you, SE defenders used were: X10 isn't getting A2.2 'cause time consuming, testing, etc. etc. But at my point of view, releasing little updates (.24, .435, etc. build ROMs) and developing useless apps like Timescape is a waste of time, time that could be used to deliver a proper A2.2 stock 'system' (as Aimee in Facebook calls it).
And you can't criticize a custom ROM in that way, thanks to the bootloader the devs can't deliver a full working Android version. SE has a big advantage in this game, but they should know that they aren't selling only software, is the piece of hardware that matters.

caifanX10 said:
The point here is, one more time: if X10 is already good with stock Eclair (I know 'cause Im using it right now, I haven't tried any custom A2.2 ROM... yet, so I can't talk about it), why not delivering at least stock A2.2 if X10 could run it very well? Some call that "strategy", but hey, Im pretty sure not all of us are gonna run to buy Arc as soon as is available just to have stock Gingerbread... I personally won't do it. So, I can't see any good strategy in that... But well, I will want to see SE's financial reports at the end of 2011, if they success they could shut us up and I'll accept they were right. But if not... Ups.
We got this debate before, and the arguments that you, SE defenders used were: X10 isn't getting A2.2 'cause time consuming, testing, etc. etc. But at my point of view, releasing little updates (.24, .435, etc. build ROMs) and developing useless apps like Timescape is a waste of time, time that could be used to deliver a proper A2.2 stock 'system' (as Aimee in Facebook calls it).
And you can't criticize a custom ROM in that way, thanks to the bootloader the devs can't deliver a full working Android version. SE has a big advantage in this game, but they should know that they aren't selling only software, is the piece of hardware that matters.
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Dude, you are still so far off base. It's not that SE couldn't. They decided to go a certain direction with the X10 from the beginning, and they are following through with that vision. Generic/vanilla Android is not X10. It never was.
I am not trashing anyone's custom ROMs. In all actuality, it's not their custom ROM. It is base model, generic Android. Do you understand what that means? Go to the grocery store, and look at the cereal ilse. The generic/store brand in the plain white box, with no toy surprise inside, that doesn't have quite the same amount of flavor or marshmellow treats inside
is Generic/Vanilla.
Maybe you kids will understand this... It's like you booked a vacation to California to go to Disneyland, but then you heard half way through your vacation that DisneyWorld in Orlando, Florida has a new ride so you expect Disneyland to build the same ride or to fly you to Orlando for free. How about NO! Disneyland has stuff that DisneyWorld doesn't, so go to DisneyWorld on your next vacation.
Lastly, you obviously don't know much about business cycles. IF, and I mean IF, SE was going to feel any financial backlash for not updating the X10 to 2.2, it would take a year or more to show up on their financials. They already got your money. The only way you can get back at SE is the next time you buy a phone in a year by going with another company. I bet even then, you would buy SE again if they had the right device.

fiscidtox said:
^^hahahahahahhaa that definitely gets the "retarded post of the day award"
What version of 2.2 did you use that was slow? Mine is lightning fast!
Some people will force themselves to believe anything
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Beta 4. Now what?
Didn't say it wasnt fast. Said my 2.1 optimized is just as fast and I like the UI customizations including the phonebook and messenger. I did say the homescreen was slow, which the devs probably agree with because they are all using third party apps.
How do you enjoy having to scroll down through your entire phonebook to find a name? Do you like not being able to access your contacts list in the messenger? Or do you not have these problems with only 10 contacts?
How about the 3d app tray that snaps back only allowing you to scroll down a couple rows at a time? Do you like swiping your finger 10 times to get to the bottom of the list where your xda app is? Or do you only have a few apps?
My X10 was already fast, so vanilla 2.2 didn't do much for me. I can see it being a big difference for those who never tried to tweak or optimize 2.1. Now I don't use APPS2SD, so that could be a completely different story.

Bsbs. If it works better on 2. 1 kernel how come they don't just developed a 2. 3 with the old kernel
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