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HTC Evo 4G to get Froyo next?

As previously reported, we all know that the Google Nexus One will be the first to get the Android 2.2 update OTA. Our guess was that Motorola Droid and HTC Incredible would be next but now new information has come to light that shows another contender.Bill from Android Forum has just informed us that his contact at Sprint has revealed that the HTC Evo 4G will be second to receive the Android 2.2 update. So basically Sprint will be rolling out the update in the same month of the Evo 4G's release ( release date rumored to be Labor day or after speculations that the HTC Evo 4G will come with 5GB to 8GB ROM OZCAR will be attending the Google I/O event this year and will report back on Android 2.2's ong list of goodies. At the moment, we know that it includes Flash support and will free up additional RAM. Furthermore there is now news that since Google bought BumpTop, Android 2.2 could even bring your phone a 3D home screen!
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http://www.ozcarguide.com/technology/cellphone-pda/2961-htc-evo-4g-android-22-nexus-one
Credible source, or random speculation?
What do Nexus owner's have now? Sexiness, developer support? We still get Froyo first - but not as "first" as people thought.

I'm trying to figure out why you're upset? Because EVO is going to get 2.2?
Exactly what OS would you propose the EVO get? Are all devices supposed to sit at 2.1 and the Nexus only get upgrades?
The Nexus gets it first, I'm thrilled, and it's all a Nexus owner can hope for.
I'm glad the EVO will launch with 2.2. I want to see Android do well, HTC too.
Oh, and what do I have now? The best mobile device I've ever owned, that's what.

Old MuckenMire said:
I'm trying to figure out why you're upset? Because EVO is going to get 2.2?
Exactly what OS would you propose the EVO get? Are all devices supposed to sit at 2.1 and the Nexus only get upgrades?
The Nexus gets it first, I'm thrilled, and it's all a Nexus owner can hope for.
I'm glad the EVO will launch with 2.2. I want to see Android do well, HTC too.
Oh, and what do I have now? The best mobile device I've ever owned, that's what.
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I'm not upset lol, I included the last part in order to cause frustration among people who thought the Nexus was going to get updated months before the Incredible, Evo, and other Android devices. Google is slowly stopping fragmentation though, and we only know that the Evo is possibly getting it so soon.
In order to start conversation, you must include controversial, irritable, or suspicious questions. People start to talk then..
People were using Froyo coming to us quickly as an excuse to not get the Incredible, or Evo - that can't be used for long.

very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol

xzr3b0rnzx said:
very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol
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dont be sad because even though you wont get the actual OTA someone who did might be kind enough to post it. root or not rooted users will both end up with the update. the only difference will be how you get it.

Nah, the stock 2.2 rom may very well be available to flash before the unmodded guys get the ota. You're not going to miss out on anything so no worries.

XDA will see it before EVO

A) No, ozcarguide is NOT a credible source. I have my news Widget set to check for "Android" and ozcarguide often pops up with news posts that are totally garbage.
Basic rule of thumb: don't trust lesser-known websites that post articles and don't have comments. If they don't have comments, that means the site isn't popular enough and may just be filled with BS in order to get page views. Also, don't trust news "articles" that are 2-3 paragraphs long.
B) I too don't understand why you're upset. Android has been absolutely blasted by every news source on the internet for fragmentation issues.
Google's goal is now (or should be to quiet people down) to have every SINGLE device running 2.2 the day it's released.
C) Stock Android devices will get 2.2 working MUCH earlier than Sense UI devices. Even if the article is true (which I'm betting it's not), it only says the Evo 4G will receive 2.2 "second". Nowhere does it give a specific time frame aside from "the same month" it's released.
2.2 could come out June 1st for the N1 and hit the Evo on June 30th. And remember, the June release for the Evo is still rumor at best.
D) Like galaxys posted, the N1 will be running 2.2 within minutes of it being released (or leaked)

Paul22000 said:
A) No, ozcarguide is NOT a credible source. I have my news Widget set to check for "Android" and ozcarguide often pops up with news posts that are totally garbage.
Basic rule of thumb: don't trust lesser-known websites that post articles and don't have comments. If they don't have comments, that means the site isn't popular enough and may just be filled with BS in order to get page views. Also, don't trust news "articles" that are 2-3 paragraphs long.
B) I too don't understand why you're upset. Android has been absolutely blasted by every news source on the internet for fragmentation issues.
Google's goal is now (or should be to quiet people down) to have every SINGLE device running 2.2 the day it's released.
C) Stock Android devices will get 2.2 working MUCH earlier than Sense UI devices. Even if the article is true (which I'm betting it's not), it only says the Evo 4G will receive 2.2 "second". Nowhere does it give a specific time frame aside from "the same month" it's released.
2.2 could come out June 1st for the N1 and hit the Evo on June 30th. And remember, the June release for the Evo is still rumor at best.
D) Like galaxys posted, the N1 will be running 2.2 within minutes of it being released (or leaked)
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You did notice I said I wasn't upset it like the third post?
I know that Stock Google Experience devices (as I have started calling then instead of Vanilla) will get Android first, that is obvious.. it kinda irritates me when people explain things that are already blatantly obvious to me in the first place, I honestly don't know why I posted this myself considering how sad the site looks.
Though, if it was true (which I think was my point), then the Nexus having Froyo quicker than other devices won't matter regardless since they will be getting it hypothetically in the same time frame. Even if we get it a few weeks earlier than everyone else, I wanted to make it known that the Nexus will not be necessarily the only "next gen" Android device that will feature Froyo in a timely manner. Putting statements such as "I will be laughing at you as you're waiting months for the Incredible to be finally updated" to shame. Which I have heard, here as well, trying to make it as if he Nexus is better the other Android devices because it can get updates more quickly. This is all hypothetical of course.

xzr3b0rnzx said:
very sad.... rooted nexus one can't get update for froyo even if u revert back to original stock rom ... right ?? i am very sad lol
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guys, cant believe you never checked this Sticky Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=614850

I don't understand why people get upset when more devices come out. my nexus is just as solidly built and beautiful looking no matter what comes out next. incredible? looks worse, same specs. this is Google's phone until Google releases the next "Google phone", and that isn't the evo or incredible or desire. nexus one is the top dog, flagship phone until the nexus 2 is released. so enjoy your phone in the present!

Its an operating system update on a mobile phone. No one is getting laid because they got froyo first. Supermodels will not fall all over themselves when you show them your about screen. If others else gets it soon or at the same time, I say more power to them.

Eclair~ said:
In order to start conversation, you must include controversial, irritable, or suspicious questions. People start to talk then..
People were using Froyo coming to us quickly as an excuse to not get the Incredible, or Evo - that can't be used for long.
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No, sweetie, that's called trolling. Adults don't start discussions that way.

Not a reliable source and just speculation. I would say Droid gets 2.2 same time as N1 since Google is using both as dev phones and they both run stock.

I was confused as to why you said that in the OP, and then later on said otherwise.
grainysand said:
No, sweetie, that's called trolling. Adults don't start discussions that way.
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I tend to agree...

krabman said:
No one is getting laid because they got froyo first.
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That's not true. My wife gets all hot and bothered when I geek out on her.

Labor day is sept isnt ?
That evo is taking that long to launch ?? Good lord.
Im glad Android experiences will be similar across all devices. Stupid sense UI slowing things down for other phones.
Only thing to be excited about is flash though. Ram and Colorballs etc is already on custom ROMS. I did like the "always update" on market apps.

xManMythLegend said:
Only thing to be excited about is flash though. Ram and Colorballs etc is already on custom ROMS. I did like the "always update" on market apps.
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Yeah but those of us who haven't rooted yet get lots of goodies. Colorball will be new for me
I personally will not use the always update option. Some of my apps work perfect and I've been burned before by updating and it either breaking the app, or it takes a feature I love away. Now I backup using astro and wait to see what the update entails.

with gingerbread right around the corner...

ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?

When was the expected date for ginger, again?

igotsthemagicinme said:
ive been practicing moving away from sense. i suppose even cyanogen doesnt even come close, but i got to wondering...is there anyone in the world who would stay at 2.2 just for the sake of sense?
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Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.

Award Tour said:
Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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you wanna put mulah on that one

werxen said:
When was the expected date for ginger, again?
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obviously its all rumors until it happens (2.1 on the hero proved that) but everywhere i look i see mid-october

Award Tour said:
Sense will be in Gingerbread, I guarantee it.
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igotsthemagicinme said:
you wanna put mulah on that one
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Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
From what I've seen recently, Gingerbread will be 2.3, 2.4, or something like that. Honeycomb is now 3.0. Everything I've read says that Gingerbread won't be a huge change from Froyo and that Honeycomb will become available, first on tablets with phones to follow, early next year. All still just speculation though.

igotsthemagicinme said:
you wanna put mulah on that one
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Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.

ausch30 said:
Still just rumors but here you go
http://nexus404.com/Blog/2010/07/23...oid-3-0-gingerbread-won’t-support-custom-uis/
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i call bs. thatd be the first article ive read that concludes with htc updating sense. i dont believe it, but maybe im biased since im a cyanwarrior. for the sake of the convo though, lets assume 3.0 is. already released..with no sense. do you stay at 2.2 for the weather animations, or move on up to the ranks of the GODS?

Award Tour said:
Not really but a lot of Gingerbread rumors were spun to hell.
1) Techcrunch was the originator of the no skin rumor. All they said was that a couple of sources close to the Android team told them that Gingerbread's UI/UX aims to be so good that skins would become obsolete. They never said that skins were banned. In fact, banning skins would completely break the open source nature of the AOSP. But of course a couple of blogs spun this as meaning that Sense/Touchwiz/etc was dead.
2) The Gingerbread minimum required specs - like it requiring a 1GHz CPU, etc. They were deemed false by Google. Of course you still have idiots claiming that the G2 w/ it's faster 800 MHz CPU is ineligible for Gingerbread.
I believe that Gingerbread will be amazing and will finally surpass iOS in UI/UX. But I also believe that HTC's software/design team is lead by a bunch of idiots that think they can out perform Google's team. Hence why I think Sense wont die.
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LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?

igotsthemagicinme said:
LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I don't have a problem with sense but, as you can see in my avatar, Mine is heavily modified (Riptide8). If it's there, people will mod it. If it's not, people will still mod it.

igotsthemagicinme said:
LMAO i like your logic but for the sake of the convo, 3.0 has no sense, what do you do?
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I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.

Award Tour said:
I already use CM. I refuse to use any Sense ROM. I've said this before but I was just about ready to return my EVO because of Sense.
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well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...

igotsthemagicinme said:
well according to the rumors we're pretending are real, even cm doesnt come close. in fact, all devs will literally have to start from scratch, hypothetically speaking...
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I don't get what you are trying to say.

he is saying that he buys in to the tech blogs (which have huge reputations for spreading many false or spun rumors) that gingerbread (or 3.0) will be so amazing that nothing done previously will compare and everyone will need to start developing mods based on this new version from scratch. Also that companies that have spent millions on there "us" will drop them completely even though they have promoted them as part of there brand and have many people who really like them.
Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.

You can rest assured that HTC will continue to put Sense on their phones - even after Gingerbread, Honeycomb, etc...
They just completely revamped Sense (Desire HD).
Blur, Touchwiz... I don't know - but I would put money on HTC Sense still being there in the future. I don't have a link but I thought that I read somewhere that HTC has already said as much.

Google stated its coming up with something state of the art that will make sense obsoleet. However, when HTC pushes its 3.0 Android's out the door it will have some sort of sense no doubt. Also try to read and understand what google is writing. They are saying current launchers/sense is obsoleet and that it wont be necessary for gingerbread. They arnt saying futur launchers wont come out and improve on what they are building. The article I read clearly can be missleading if you are just skimming through it but if you actually take the time to read it you will see the words they use discribe only current launchers and sense being not needed.
Oh and my wifes HERO has 2.2 thanks to CM6 It works just as well as the Evo version but its performance settings seriously need to remain untouched unless you are willing to do several test because things like JIT can actually slow that phoen down.

omegasun18 said:
Personally i don't see it happening a lot of the same hype came while waiting for froyo. I wouldn't call it on the level of the "GODS" compared to 2.1. I personally remove as much of sense as possible from roms as is so for me it would just make my job easier however i dont see it happening logically speaking.
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It depends on how you look at it. If you go by the rumors, Gingerbread isn't going to add/improve on the current API/functionality of Android if at all. Instead it'll be a major upgrade to the UI/UX. Up until now we've seen minor/gradual improvements, this release I believe, we'll be a major visual step.
So even though it'll internally be very similar to Froyo, the UI we'll be different enough for us to be wowed and feel like we're using something completely new.

Kinda funny you bring this up cause I just read another thread in Q/A where some guy was asking for 2.1 roms cause he didn't like 2.2 so he wanted to go back. Interesting reading day so far....

Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?

mikeDCMDVA said:
Sense is horrible I'm about to get rid of myns warm twopointtwo rom to rid sense from my evo, good rom though but just cant stand sense
BUT what i do like about sense is how you can open the phone and start typing the letters with the dialpad and retrieving contacts on the fly...can non sense do this?
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First of all... what? Half of that first sentance made no sense lol.
Secondly... dialer one. Try it. Its awesome.

Interesting honeycomb news!?

http://androidandme.com/2010/11/news/verizon-motopad-first-to-launch-with-honeycomb-android-3-0/
Freaking gingerbread isn't out yet and there are rumors already on honeycomb, just thought I'd share
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Kind of reminds me of the NBA and free agent signings. Even if there isn't a story at all the writers just make up some stupid idea w/ some fake sources and post it as something concrete. Don't feed the lies brotha' stay strong and resist even acknowledging the honeycomb lies no matter how stupid they may be.

Correct me if I'm wrong but inst 3.0 (honeycomb) specifically for Tablets while 2.3 (gingerbread) is specifically for smaller screens such as phones and they are being worked on simultaneously thats why they are coming back to back?

i actually feel the same way, honey comb wasn't announced till the sudden spike of interest in pushing tablets, and they drop the build version of gingerbread from 3.0 to 2.3

So what I am understanding is that honeycomb will be for tablets only?
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I think Honeycomb is going to be tailored for tablets as well but I doub't they'll split it off 100%. Kinda how iOS 4.2 is going to be for both the iPad and the iPhone/iPod Touch but the versions for each type of device differenciate at some level to provide a better experience for each.

There is nothing different happening here than what has happened with each release of android.
When one release is cut (Froyo), the line is moved into open development (AOSP), and the next line (Gingerbread) begins development behind closed doors and is considered "experimental" line. Things that don't make the cut for Gingerbread release stay "live" in the experimental line.
This happens for EVERY RELEASE CUT. Development for android has always happened in two iterations. Some features developed for the second iteration sometimes make their way into the first iteration.
Current android works on tablets, but because there is very little tablets out it's not focused on, this is nothing like the iOS situation of having two versions of the OS.
The reason apps don't "work" properly on tablets is that developers simply haven't bothered to creat tablet sized layouts (LARGE/MDPI and Large/LDPI).

onesavior said:
So what I am understanding is that honeycomb will be for tablets only?
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yup unless some ports it for smaller screens

Diamond_dawg said:
yup unless some ports it for smaller screens
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Speculation only either way.

knightnz said:
Speculation only either way.
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True that.....

Just in case anyone was wondering, Honeycomb = phones too

About 11:00 into the video interview:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/exclusive-interview-googles-matias-duarte-talks-honeycomb-tab/
"What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for Android."
- Matias Duarte, Director of Android User Experience

I wasn't expecting that Honeycomb would be tablet only. Thnx for sharing

commodoor said:
I wasn't expecting that Honeycomb would be tablet only. Thnx for sharing
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Yeah, a lot of people were thinking it was, which is understandable considering Google had never confirmed it either way until now.

Paul22000 said:
About 11:00 into the video interview:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/07/exclusive-interview-googles-matias-duarte-talks-honeycomb-tab/
"What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for Android."
- Matias Duarte, Director of Android User Experience
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Thanks for posting the Paul
I wonder if the future of Android phones, post Honeycomb, is to stop making phones with the capacitive buttons (back, menu, home, search) and instead just have purely a screen relying upon Honeycomb's virtual buttons instead?
Probably wont happen but just a thought...

ap3604 said:
Thanks for posting the Paul
I wonder if the future of Android phones, post Honeycomb, is to stop making phones with the capacitive buttons (back, menu, home, search) and instead just have purely a screen relying upon Honeycomb's virtual buttons instead?
Probably wont happen but just a thought...
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He actually goes into it in the interview about "reducing Android's hardware requirements" and that most likely yes, phones and tablets won't need physical or capacitive buttons. But he says they are leaving it open to the manufacturer; if someone wants or needs those buttons, then they can do it. (I suspect Honeycomb phones won't have the traditional 4 hardware buttons.)
Anyway, it's a great interview and highly recommend it; I'm still listening to it on and off.

Just finished that interview. It really puts a lot of things into perspective and gets me excited for the future of Android.
300,000 new activations per day now too. And as was confirmed before, these aren't new rom installs or upgrades, they are new devices.

Ok so
-honeycomb is for phones too
-honeycomb can support hardware buttons
-honeycomb has no minimum hardware requirements
Sooo why didn'they develop honeycomb for nexus one too? Why put efforts developing a 2.3 (maybe even a 2.4) release then?
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elmerendeiro said:
Sooo why didn'they develop honeycomb for nexus one too? Why put efforts developing a 2.3 (maybe even a 2.4) release then?
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Gingerbread is not wasted effort, much of work done there will carry over to Honeycomb. The keyboard for instance, and the kernel changes such as the new garbage collector.
If they wanted to get tablets out the door it makes sense to focus on that initially. They say the new interface scales down to phones too, but I'm sure it will take some extra time.

my dream/wish is something very to what motorola has done with astrix.. but better
Honeycomb phone.... looks like and works like a phone...
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A dock.. looks like a tablet.. but is essentially just a screen with a battery like compartment in the back.
Put the the phone in the compartment..the interface changes to tablet GUI
It will be an irresistible combo!

How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview so he might explained it further there, but the sentence you specifically highlighted out does not mean Honeycomb is guaranteed to come to mobile phones.
Yes, you could interpret it as honeycomb is the direction for android, and since mobile phones run android, we're going to get it for mobile phones right? But it could also mean the honeycomb ui is the direction for mobile phones but we're not going to implement it on mobile phone right now as we're focusing on tablets and we hope to make the ui on both mobile phones and tablets the same in Ice cream(or whatever they end up calling it).
Like I said, haven't watch the vid, but this is my take on the one sentence op took out to state his point.

More video evidence (from last month) that Honeycomb will work on phones:
youtube.com/watch?v=koIzhLaRJJo
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Interviewer: Is Honeycomb just a version of Android that happens to work well on tablets or is it a tablet version of Android?
Andy Rubin: It's both.
Later at 6:10 Andy Rubin elaborates further by mentioning a Honeycomb "Fragments API" which allows developers to define a smartphone and tablet UI for their applications.

Mokurex said:
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview..
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He gave the link to the video for a reason. You should probably watch it before saying he's wrong.

Mokurex said:
How does "What you see in Honeycomb is absolutely the direction for android" = "Honeycomb is coming to mobile phones"?
I haven't watch a single second of the interview so he might explained it further there, but the sentence you specifically highlighted out does not mean Honeycomb is guaranteed to come to mobile phones.
Yes, you could interpret it as honeycomb is the direction for android, and since mobile phones run android, we're going to get it for mobile phones right? But it could also mean the honeycomb ui is the direction for mobile phones but we're not going to implement it on mobile phone right now as we're focusing on tablets and we hope to make the ui on both mobile phones and tablets the same in Ice cream(or whatever they end up calling it).
Like I said, haven't watch the vid, but this is my take on the one sentence op took out to state his point.
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You should probably watch the video then. One quote is just to make his point. You can't pick it apart just on that fact, it is a basic way to communicate, pick a part of something to start the conversation.
Watch the video, I won't spell it out for you. But Honeycomb is for everything.

pfmiller said:
He gave the link to the video for a reason. You should probably watch it before saying he's wrong.
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I have never once said that he's wrong, he's probably correct by all means. My point was that the title of the thread says honeycomb is coming to phone, I clicked in here, see a quote highlighted in bold which doesn't really explain the point and a 20 minute long video. I assume the quote is supposed to be the main point of the video, so that's why I responded based off of that.
I'm not accusing anybody or trolling for that matter, just voicing my opinion in an open forum. Chill guys =)

My apologies if I sounded too harsh. You really should watch the video though, it answers all your questions and is really quite interesting.

Mokurex said:
I have never once said that he's wrong, he's probably correct by all means. My point was that the title of the thread says honeycomb is coming to phone, I clicked in here, see a quote highlighted in bold which doesn't really explain the point and a 20 minute long video. I assume the quote is supposed to be the main point of the video, so that's why I responded based off of that
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Why do you think the link to the video is there?

I have some contacts at HTC and was told that Honeycomb update is tablet only and HTC Sense is still possible (killing the rumours that Google might forbid UI skins starting from Honeycomb). So we won't see Honeycomb for phones, but we will see Honeycomb features coming to phones starting with the next Android version (ice cream).
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Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I have some contacts at HTC and was told that Honeycomb update is tablet only and HTC Sense is still possible (killing the rumours that Google might forbid UI skins starting from Honeycomb). So we won't see Honeycomb for phones, but we will see Honeycomb features coming to phones starting with the next Android version (ice cream).
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who cares what it's actually going to be called though? I suspect that yes, the phone version will get a different delineation than just 3.0 Honeycomb. Probably 3.2 Ice Cream. I guess we'll see it first at the Google I/O event (May 10-11, 2011) and then show up early Fall on the next Nexus model?
The point from the interview though is that even if they call it Ice Cream for phones, it will look and act very similar to what they showed for tablets at CES (no hardware buttons, improved multi-tasking, scrollable widgets, etc). He also mentions that absolutely yes, Android is 100% still open and HTC or whoever can continue to skin.

Google - No Honeycomb AOSP for you!

http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.

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http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/mar2011/tc20110324_269784.htm
Google says it will delay the distribution of its newest Android source code, dubbed Honeycomb, at least for the foreseeable future. The search giant says the software, which is tailored specifically for tablet computers that compete against Apple's iPad, is not yet ready to be altered by outside programmers and customized for other devices, such as phones.
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More beta BS. I'll sell you a car but we only completed the frame.

Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.

Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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Perhaps it's time to change your ID to "completelyInsane".
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LMAO!
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i dont understand what will make it "ready" if they are planning on eventually releasing it what will keep it from being ported to phones then. If its a matter of incompleteness then what's changed since Cupcake which everyone agrees was more .8 than 1.0. Releasing it to dev's will allow for bugfixes and tweaks to get merged upstream.

It will leak eventually. It always does...
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Yea I dont understand google some times. I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.

They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?

This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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As much of a ROM guy as I am, I admit this makes sense from a business stand point. Google makes $ from licensing and distribution (with regards to Android). The hacker communities do not make up said market for the most part.
The worst thing companies combat these days is negative publicity.
I owned an iPhone, two iterations, the 3G and the original. Why did my mother never purchase one, nor my sister? Simply because of how locked down they are due to MY advice. Were they ever going to buy said device due to their hackability? Hell no. But because I said it was sh**** that Apple locks their stuff down so much, they declined to buy said hardware.
Releasing the software for Google could have a lot of negative effects on a BRAND NEW operating system for a BRAND NEW market for Google. If people are throwing this on phones, you search it out on the internet, and everything is Honeycomb this sucks, and honeycomb that sucks, due to people using it on phones, most people who try to do basic research, like my mother, or sister,
will only see "THIS SUCKS".
Just my 2c, but I can see their stand point. Until they can find a way to keep it off the phones, I see this as an issue for google.
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They say they're worried about a poor user experience. Who do they think these users are? "I he4rd on the int3webz I can haz h0neycombz on my G1?" I mean we already know that the percentage of people running custom Roms, while large for what it is, is not the bulk of people using Android. And we know that what we're doing may not be the smoothest experience. The SDK has already been ported to pretty much everything, and they're worried about the actual 3.0 being a poor experience? Come on Google, what's this really about?
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Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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I understand the the OS isnt ready, but if it really is that bad and that unstable then why even put it on a tablet. And really what harm does it do the put out the code, so people will port it to other devices, you can keep doing what you will but make lots of devs happy.
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My understanding of that article is that Google doesn't feel its ready for phones. It's not that its not ready for tablets. They understand that they won't be able to stop people from using HC on phones, but trying to stave off the inevitable...
this HC thing looks like crap.... oh.. on my phone. In the end.. we are talking about a company here.. a company that needs to keep it's image.. and products.. (or software as you may call it).. as good as possible.
I don't think it's the best move Google could have made, but I think Google should do things in it's best interest to keep itself as a company in good standing. Long and short of it.. if things go south for google.. we'll all be unhappy. Just getting things out for the sake of allowing devs to play doesn't mean its the most sound decision for the company making it.
Yes, I know.. it's 'open source', but it is still a work-product. I think it's also entirely likely this is just a marketing ploy to say 'we told you so'.. and then it will get leaked and everything will go back to normal. But I still think people often forget that this is still a company that has to keep itself together to survive.
EDIT: So many things get written in the same time when you respond to a post! It seems as though I am joining the choir of.. this isn't so bad.

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This wasn't the best source to quote from. Google said they don't want developers trying to port it to phones yet since they can't guarantee a good user experience on phones. They're afraid XDA is going to port it, people try to run it on their phones and then say how crappy it runs on a phone even though that's not what it was designed for. You know it would happen, and word would spread that it sucks on phones and yada yada it doesn't get a fair chance.
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Well that hasn't stopped devs on xda porting it already - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=978939

Darn you almostinsane, I was just about to post this but you beat me to it!
Its really unfortunate that Google is doing this, whatever happened to a completely open source OS? In my honest opinion I think they should release it to the public and let the various devs have at it and see what can be improved and take those improvements into consideration for the next release of Android. If the OS was only meant for tablets who is to say that x developer can port it to a handheld flawlessly? It would be a HUGE leap ahead for us and for big ol' G.
Either way, it'll happen with or without Google releasing the source as our one dev spacemoose1 has shown us with making a near perfect port to the Samsung tab of honeycomb.
Stinks money is such an issue, Google doesn't really need anymore haha.
Done with my rant now
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Another business reason for this decision: Google may not have programmed Honeycomb well.
An obvious(?) repercussion for grimy source code going public is more bashing of Honeycomb's alleged "beta-ness". The more app developers that use the ...poisonous open-source code, the more ...poisoned apps there will be.
Or, they want to curb full-blown Honeycomb from appearing on devices other than the Xoom for just a little longer.

you're right. I just hate that its true. Your sig shows you remember the G1 days when we were all just so happy about what our phone COULD do. It's gotten a lot whinnier around here since then.
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Uhmm, are we reading the same forum? Where people knowingly purchased a device that didn't have flash or lte or an ad card working at launch but are still *****ing and whining and returning their xoom regardless? What I mean is, those same people will install Honeycomb and complain that google released a lousy product.
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As a ROM enthusiast; yea this sucks. Business it's understandable; but as the former it doesn't make me happy.
My NC sorely needs a aosp honeycomb, HC's tablet interface is superior to even CM7 on it.
Honestly though it's a lot of speculation here on why, but it really just sounds like an excuse (Bad one) to quiet the devs while really being a straight business decision.

How is not releasing honeycomb aosp right away not being open? Would you like all your roms without SD card support right now? Honeycomb is most likely stable enough for normal use for the average consumer and Google had to make footprint in the tablet industry before ipad2 was announced. Things were obviously rushed so i rather wait for them get everything situated. I think this unfortunate news but I'm not gonna cry foul when its something that's probably for the better. Google has proven with each iteration of android they have released source so just be patient
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Yup - Its why I just sent my Xoom back to Moto.
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I don't understand the logic here. What alternative are you seeking? Take it back for the Galaxy 10.1? It runs the same OS. Take it back for an iPad? It runs a closed OS.
The AOSP release is delayed ... maybe. Why would you return your Xoom because of this?
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