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Why not just give it to hero and leave it at that?Now verizon got there gruubby little hands on sense but why have two androids released at the same time.Sprint has the hero but the the distinctive looking version the chinless one.The tmo Us got 3 android phones but they arent as good as the competition though.Now the hero is no longer uniquie since all these look alike are getting the touch up.
You do know that there are over 20 android phones slated to come out in the next 6-8 months, right? The hero isnt unique anyway. We've had hero roms running on the G1 since before the hero even had a US release.
yep its now just part of a series of clones..
Yeah I'm not really a fan of Sense UI, it has a couple of cool widgets but it's such a resource hog. Even if I had a Hero with the extra RAM I'd still use the regular launcher, but that's just me.
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Why not just give it to hero and leave it at that?Now verizon got there gruubby little hands on sense but why have two androids released at the same time.Sprint has the hero but the the distinctive looking version the chinless one.The tmo Us got 3 android phones but they arent as good as the competition though.Now the hero is no longer uniquie since all these look alike are getting the touch up.
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well sense ui is very visually appealing and adds function compared to phones running regular android. why keep sense ui only on hero...its htcs own custom ui so they should be able to do what they want.
plus the hero will just end up being a dud...a prototype for sense ui and see where they can improve upon..just like the g1...and the extra ram really does help with speed and multitasking.
and besides companies custom UIs is only included on phone without the 'with google" branding..(sprint hero is an exception)
Lol, that reminds me of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TS7qVjr1Vps
OMG, why did HTC port sense to other Phones!, YOU WILL PAY HTC, whaaa, whaaa, I wanted exclusive!!!!
Dude, seriously...
Why do you care ?
Frankly I want to see Android do well. Why do I care if other Android phones get anothers UI ? All I care about is handset makers putting top grade hardware for these things.
In a forum much dedicated to importing UIs and Apps from other phones pretty damn ignorant to get upset about this.
i use sense on my g1 just wanted ur opinions since there are so many clones released now
Ace42 said:
i use sense on my g1 just wanted ur opinions since there are so many clones released now
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they arent clones...tattoo has 1.6
even so, they arent clones..thats like saying two different dell laptops are clones because they both run windows 7
Sense is pretty much HTC's version or "Branch" of android much like Ubuntu is to
Debian (although not as different).
All HTC Phones with sense offer something different.
The Hero is an "All Rounder" (At the moment)
The Tattoo is a low cost budget phone with customisation aimed at the "less geeky" market.
The next "Major Release" they release with Sense UI will probably have the next version of Sense running on a 2.0 backbone and with a larger screen similar to the HD2.
did you guys forget, the UI is freaking great! Why wouldn't they put it on every phone if so many G1 owners are struggling for a decent version. I want that cliq tho...
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did you guys forget, the UI is freaking great! Why wouldn't they put it on every phone if so many G1 owners are struggling for a decent version. I want that cliq tho...
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Eh, I'm not really a fan. I found that I was just using the widgets for the hell of it. Don't need mail or SMS, music widget always lags, twitter one would never refresh ect. The only widgets I really like are global search, power control, music and flip clock. All of which you can get on 1.6+. I also love Advanced Launcher, which has faunctionality that TouchFlo doesn't. Not to mention it's a friggin' resource hog. So yeah, I'd rather have more RAM available to keep my phone running faster, even if it did have he extra RAM the Hero and 32 A Magic have.
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Eh, I'm not really a fan. I found that I was just using the widgets for the hell of it. Don't need mail or SMS, music widget always lags, twitter one would never refresh ect. The only widgets I really like are global search, power control, music and flip clock. All of which you can get on 1.6+. I also love Advanced Launcher, which has faunctionality that TouchFlo doesn't. Not to mention it's a friggin' resource hog. So yeah, I'd rather have more RAM available to keep my phone running faster, even if it did have he extra RAM the Hero and 32 A Magic have.
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I totally agree, I honestly don't know why people want sense so much, its just not very good in my opinion. You get very few usable upgrades in a trade off with it being much slower, I really don't see the point?
I'm due an upgrade soon and think I might get a hero, but if I do i'll probably root it and put a 2.0 stock based rom on it rather than sense!
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I totally agree, I honestly don't know why people want sense so much, its just not very good in my opinion. You get very few usable upgrades in a trade off with it being much slower, I really don't see the point?
I'm due an upgrade soon and think I might get a hero, but if I do i'll probably root it and put a 2.0 stock based rom on it rather than sense!
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To be honest, I only wanted sense for the widgets and the music app. That was about it, other than that, I could care less about the UI. At the growth rate of android I'm sure custom UIs will be a thing of the past sooner or later.
I don't want to get peoples hopes up buuuuuuutttt-
Mytouch 3G to get 2.2 from next week and onwards.
Keep in mind that the Slide is a HTC sense device. If they have sense prepped and nearly ready for the Slide imagine where our update stands.
Keep in mind that 2.2 is a incremental update and not nearly such a huge leap as going from 1.5 1.6 to 2.1.
I'd agree. But the mytouch slide isn't a sense device...its got a custom t mobile UI. So no beans. It'll get here when it does. No worries.
From what I read on specs it does indeed include the sense ui. Otherwise I would not have bothered creating a thread.
Edit: I stand corrected. Darn. Other specs I looked up online listed the Sense UI. Looks like thats no longer the case.
The myTouch 3G Slide doesn't use HTC's Sense UI, but it doesn't really use stock Android, either. HTC and T-Mobile have made some subtle changes that make the Slide at least different from other Android handsets, if not more usable.
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I'm pretty sure it's a t-mobile influenced version of sense
Still, this its verizon we are talking about. They are notoriously slow at updating their phones
HTC Desire is rumored to get a 2.2 update at the end of June
Would love to see 2.2 on my INC but I'm not holding my breath on root
Didn't they(VZW) update the droid eris pretty quickly especially compared to sprint and the hero or maybe I'm bugging
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I'm pretty sure it's a t-mobile influenced version of sense
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Correct, at its heart its Sense UI. All the Sense features work, T-Mo just got a hold of it and made it ugly, I mean I HATE that box crap around all the icons, it looks retarded
I would assume that T-Mobile just modified sense, and in order for them to produce an update they would need sense 2.2 from HTC. As such, I think it would be safe to also assume that HTC is preparing 2.2 for their other devices as well.
I just remember it taking ages for vzw to release the 2.1 update for the moto droid... And that is bone stock
Is the expresso ui 2.2 on the myotuch 4g reall that bad? ive read that alot of people are bashing it saying its the worst. i myean if people hate it, why buy the phone? my question is if expresso (performance wise, not how it looks) really a issue with such a great phone?
I doubt there's any problem with it performance-wise. Watching all the video reviews so far and none of them mentioned anything about the phone being slow.
It's all personal preference. I actually don't mind it.
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Is the expresso ui 2.2 on the myotuch 4g reall that bad? ive read that alot of people are bashing it saying its the worst. i myean if people hate it, why buy the phone? my question is if expresso (performance wise, not how it looks) really a issue with such a great phone?
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If you really hate it you have the option of adding a launcher from the market. ADW or Launcher Pro, should run very smoothly on this phone, as it seems to have speed to spare. I can't imagine a launcher app, causing much lag on this phone.
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Is the expresso ui 2.2 on the myotuch 4g reall that bad? ive read that alot of people are bashing it saying its the worst. i myean if people hate it, why buy the phone? my question is if expresso (performance wise, not how it looks) really a issue with such a great phone?
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It's pretty dang good, and includes a variety of diverse themes to customize the look quite a bit. I generally preferred vanilla Froyo over that of HTC Sense, but I think I prefer mySense over everything else.
I won't lie to you this sense version is kinda cool. I'm not a sense fan but this is not intrusive at all. I might still put launcher pro on it since I paid for it. But stock it is nice.
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I purchased the T-Mobile MyTouch 4G, (black version) today. There was a line waiting for the store to open. As far as T-Mobile's version of HTC Sense, i like it too... but i hope at some point though to be able to install a version of the OS that has the new version of HTC Sense, without the T-Mobile branding, and limitations...
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Is the expresso ui 2.2 on the myotuch 4g reall that bad? ive read that alot of people are bashing it saying its the worst. i myean if people hate it, why buy the phone? my question is if expresso (performance wise, not how it looks) really a issue with such a great phone?
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People around here have a false belief that "stock android" is "awesome" when in reality it's one of the more bland boring and barebones oses on any phone out there.
The only people who persue "stock" are masochists who feel the need to spend hours upon hours introducing all the features that carriers and mfgs add anyway.
When they see a "skin" they think bloat like you would on a dell.
of course im gonna get launcher pro or something. customization is the main reason im getting my first android. i just dont want to get some ui thatll give me problems or never get gingerbread (im ok with it takong awhile to get it). i loved the stock on the g2 but that keyboard issue is somethingi hate and i might not use
Well after almost a week with the new Sprint Nexus-S 4G, I plan to return it and get my EVO going again. My EVO was rooted with the best Sense based ROM, "Myn's RS 5" I still think the EVO 4G is one of the better smartphones on the market ( if rooted, and good ROM installed ) even a year after it's release, and the EVO-3D should be even better yet.
I wanted the Nexus for the lightweight form factor, and easy fit in pocket...beautiful screen...and better battery life.
Well a week later I can NOT stand "vanilla" Android, didn't realize how much I took "Sense UI" for granted, basic Android feels so, uh basic, and years outdated. I mean come on the default Voice mail is to call a phone # to access messages, lol that's from the 90's man. The dialer and contacts also seem super basic and like iPhone1 or Android 1.5, and the default e-mail for non gmail is horrible, the standard e-mail widget on the EVO is perfect, and ten million times better.
So many things on "vanilla" Android just seems to be done so poorly and outdated, makes me wonder what people like about ? I know it is meant to be tweaked and played with, and add all your own custom apps and widgets, but that is stupid to me, that is just saying stock Android sucks.
Plus the battery life on my Nexus-S is not stellar like expected, sure it is better than my EVO, but barely, and the screen is actually harder to see outside in the sunlight.
Will go back to my EVO 4G, and upgrade to the EVO-2 ( 3d ), can only imagine a Myn's based ROM on that beast, with Android 2.3...dual cores...1gb memory...4gb storage...higher res screen...
Only thing I don't like on the EVO is it's thick and bulky size, it is borderline just too heavy, and big, not the 4.3" screen, I mean look at the new Galaxy S-2, that is 4.3 but super thin and lightweight, wish HTC could slim it down a bit.
Opinions ?
To each their own, I guess. I haven't tried the Nexus and don't plan to get one. I'm holding out hope we'll get we'll get the Galaxy S 2. I prefer AOSP over Sense. Sense feels gaudy to me and forces an aesthetic I don't care for. I like a lean, minimalistic approach that I can customize and make my own.
Either way. Welcome back.
You know you can put different ROMs on the Nexus S right?
I won't go with the Nexus S because it doesn't have a notification led [RETARDED] and because it's a minor bump from the Evo [not worth the loss of an upgrade] but it seems like most of your issue is the ROM itself.
Unfortunately, I read on the EVO 3D forum that if Myn can't get his hands on an EVO 3D for the upgrade price, he probably won't be devving for it. He technically doesn't qualify for an upgrade yet I believe.
So...hey, donate some money so he can buy one I guess or figure out a way to get him one for the upgrade price.
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To each their own, I guess. I haven't tried the Nexus and don't plan to get one. I'm holding out hope we'll get we'll get the Galaxy S 2. I prefer AOSP over Sense. Sense feels gaudy to me and forces an aesthetic I don't care for. I like a lean, minimalistic approach that I can customize and make my own.
Either way. Welcome back.
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That's what Myn's ROM "Warmtwopointtwo" is for, it is still "Sense" based, but gets rid of all the crapware and bloatware, and streamlines everything in the background, just keeping the core "Sense" stuff. It is a very clean and stripped down look, and then can still be themed and customized to your hearts content.
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Unfortunately, I read on the EVO 3D forum that if Myn can't get his hands on an EVO 3D for the upgrade price, he probably won't be devving for it. He technically doesn't qualify for an upgrade yet I believe.
So...hey, donate some money so he can buy one I guess or figure out a way to get him one for the upgrade price.
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hmm...I am surprised on this forum, there isn't a Sprint rep that can cut Myn a deal, get him one for the upgrade price and not pay full retail ? I thought after one year you can upgrade to a new phone by renewing on a new 2yr contract and get the phone for the $199 price ? And usually most people have a $150 gift certificate by staying with Sprint after like 10 months, I know I got one.
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That's what Myn's ROM "Warmtwopointtwo" is for, it is still "Sense" based, but gets rid of all the crapware and bloatware, and streamlines everything in the background, just keeping the core "Sense" stuff. It is a very clean and stripped down look, and then can still be themed and customized to your hearts content.
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I've tried it before. It by far is my favorite Sense rom, but I still prefer AOSP roms.
halorin said:
I've tried it before. It by far is my favorite Sense rom, but I still prefer AOSP roms.
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So whats the best AOSP ROM ? CM 7 ?
Wish Cyanogen 7 was ready for the Nexus-S 4G, but they say have to wait for CM 7.1 that has official support for 2.3.4 that is on the Sprint Nexus-S.
I also got the nexus s two days ago and to be honest I love it. It a lot slimmer and lighter than the evo and it actually does not feel like its bulky in the pocket. The screen it very nice, but at times it seems a little oversaturated. Even thou it's got a 5mp camera it takes great pics and the video recording it's pretty good as well, granted it's not recording at 720p. Overall I am really enjoying a smaller phone ( didn't realize the evo was so massive compared to other phones) and hope that sprint gets a dual core 4 inch phone. I was saving my upgrade for the evo 3d but after having the nexus s I might just keep this and skip the evo 3d. Hopefully there will be a nexus 3 by the end of the year?? who knows.
in caparison to the evo;
...stock vanilla is just fine for me, straight to the point. Battery has lasting longer than the evo, nexus s does not have notification led but there is an app called "noled" which has been working just fine, love the phone design.
To be honest the evo is capable of doing everything i ever needed from a phone, and so does the nexus s ( but better for gaming) but with new and bigger tech coming out every 6months you always feel like you "need" the latest. So far the thing I'm really enjoying about the nexus is the size, it feels like the perfect size.
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So whats the best AOSP ROM ? CM 7 ?
Wish Cyanogen 7 was ready for the Nexus-S 4G, but they say have to wait for CM 7.1 that has official support for 2.3.4 that is on the Sprint Nexus-S.
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I've been using Deck's AOSP rom. There's a link to it in the Android Development forums. I use 1.0 because GB 2.3.4 roms have a MMS issue. I use Savages Zen BFS 2.1.0. You may like it.
CM7 has been unusually shaky, consider their track record. I have hope 7.1 will being more stable than the past releases.
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hmm...I am surprised on this forum, there isn't a Sprint rep that can cut Myn a deal, get him one for the upgrade price and not pay full retail ? I thought after one year you can upgrade to a new phone by renewing on a new 2yr contract and get the phone for the $199 price ? And usually most people have a $150 gift certificate by staying with Sprint after like 10 months, I know I got one.
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UT OH! Someone hasn't been paying much attention for the last three months...
I was almost going to get Nexus. Glad I didn't. EVO 3d will be beast.
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I feel the opposite I'm keeping the nexus
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here's wishing there was a 'you must be borderline MR' button...
you do realize you can put almost whatever UI you want on almost any android phone, right?
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CM7 has been unusually shaky, consider their track record. I have hope 7.1 will being more stable than the past releases.
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I agree. CM is the only thing that makes AOSP any good. Without it, it does kinda suck. Unfortunately, CM hasn't been very good for me since CM6, forcing me to go back to Sense.
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here's wishing there was a 'you must be borderline MR' button...
you do realize you can put almost whatever UI you want on almost any android phone, right?
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Try putting a Sense based ROM or UI on my Nexus-S, there is only one that I know of, and it is in beta, with a lot of features still not working. Don't know of any other "Sense UI" for the Nexus-S ?
Nice thing with Sense based phones, is they get the Sense ROM's of course, but also can easily install the AOSP ROM's too.
Watch this good hands on video of the new EVO 3D, mainly showing off Sense 3.0, which I what I wanted to see more of, I could give two ****s about the 3D on the phone. Actually I wish Sprint sold two versions, the "Sensation" non 3D version is slightly thinner, but exact same hardware.
But Sense 3.0 looks very ncie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emdKBaC9sao&feature=related
Lol that video is like us trying to get Virus's rom to work right
Eh, it's only boring if you have no imagination and/or no ability to make things how you want them.
Vanilla android does one thing nicely, that's let you do anything you want. ADW and themes is a great example of that. I'm on AOSP right now and here's my homescreen, you may not like it, but if you don't think you could have made it how you wanted then you just didn't want to try. This is why we like Android over iOS, because we have freedom of expression, not conformity to look like everyone else's.
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Eh, it's only boring if you have no imagination and/or no ability to make things how you want them.
Vanilla android does one thing nicely, that's let you do anything you want. ADW and themes is a great example of that. I'm on AOSP right now and here's my homescreen, you may not like it, but if you don't think you could have made it how you wanted then you just didn't want to try. This is why we like Android over iOS, because we have freedom of expression, not conformity to look like everyone else's.
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So when I click your image on my evo is that the difference in screen size to scale? Or has the size of the image been reduced a bit?
Goodbye HTC,
I've owned an HTC device all the way back to the HTC Mogul. Recently, they have been going through some hard times and losing a great deal of market share including myself. The reason I am leaving HTC is almost all attributed to Sense. I used to think that Sense had so many more features than vanilla Android. Now, I feel it is quite the opposite. Sense has become a burden on the snappiness. The final straw is when I began to experience keyboard lag on my HTC One M8, something I hadn't seen on Sense since back on my HTC Hero. Sense also causes massive delays on software updates. It really is sad because I love the build quality and specs of HTC devices. I think their best route as a company would be offer their devices with stock vanilla android with the option to install Sense. I didn't really know where to post this but I felt like I owed it to a company that has been a part of my life for the better part of a decade.
Sincerely,
A former HTC customer
As a die-hard HTC fan myself, I'd suggest waiting to see how the HTC 10 feels to you (in terms of snappiness) before saying your final goodbyes to the brand. Early hands-on and reviews seem to indicate the 10 is very fluid and lag-free, and preserves a lot of the "vanilla" Android apps and feel. Sense is trimmed down more than ever before, to the point that on the 10 it consists of a select few "value added" apps (that part being subjective, for sure - but early reviewers seem to like the remaining Sense apps).
If you do leave HTC, I'm assuming its for a Nexus device (or maybe Motorola?) as all the other major brands (Samsung, LG, Huawei) skin the crap out of Android; making them horrendously ugly (Touchwiz . . . shudder), breaking basic features (both Sammy and LG removed Android 6's adoptable storage option), and much more obtrusive than Sense. Its somewhat of a shame that the manufacturers feel the need to skin Android to differentiate themselves. Of those, I'd have to say that HTC is the only one that comes close to doing it halfway successfully.
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Goodbye HTC,
I've owned an HTC device all the way back to the HTC Mogul. Recently, they have been going through some hard times and losing a great deal of market share including myself. The reason I am leaving HTC is almost all attributed to Sense. I used to think that Sense had so many more features than vanilla Android. Now, I feel it is quite the opposite. Sense has become a burden on the snappiness. The final straw is when I began to experience keyboard lag on my HTC One M8, something I hadn't seen on Sense since back on my HTC Hero. Sense also causes massive delays on software updates. It really is sad because I love the build quality and specs of HTC devices. I think their best route as a company would be offer their devices with stock vanilla android with the option to install Sense. I didn't really know where to post this but I felt like I owed it to a company that has been a part of my life for the better part of a decade.
Sincerely,
A former HTC customer
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Check htc 10 as it has sense 8 that is a lot lighter than sense 7(sense 7_g is the bridge between them, i.e. htc A9)... a lot more is google's stock MM interface with a little touch from htc and a launcher. As htc themself said the updates will come in a weeks time after google release(they said 3, let's call it 4-5)... I believe them as sense 8 is made in mind also on that one.
If I leave htc will be for Meizu or Samsung. Last time Samsung are so innovative... For example apple and Samsung have finger print from years and htc...late with years Samsung have multi windows form years and htc... Still don't have. Also sense is getting light and close to stock with everyone next version. What's the point? Meizu device are so cheap with the same specifications so... Kind a useless. I will wait to see HTC 10 in the shops here to decide. Maybe it's time to move on. Also if I want stock Android I will buy nexus. Not sure where htc want to go with those changes in sense.
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