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It seems SE still loses money

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_loses_50m_in_q2_japan_disaster_to_blame-news-2891.php
While companies like Samsung, Apple, HTC and LG are making lots of money, SE, with the ultimate XPlay still loses money and can't make it on top.
Why? This phone should've been selled like hot bread, it should've been as popular as the PSP or iPhone, it had and has so much advertisements, it's now on Minecraft site's front page, page visited by thousands of people.
With this sad news, they could leave the mobile industry in a few years...
I really don't understand.

As long as the community is alive, it's not took bad... (for us)
It sux that SONU ERIcson can't make money.. Not sure what they can do..
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From the Article:
"This means that everything should be fine in Q3 and Sony Ericsson should be back in the black when the next report comes out."
As it also says, the earthquake had a huge impact on them, and this is after 5 consecutive quarters of profit. Wouldn't worry too much.

Earthquake in Q1 delaying the delivery of phones to all regions till start of Q3... No big surprise there.
However they should be fine soon.

Geeve said:
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_loses_50m_in_q2_japan_disaster_to_blame-news-2891.php
While companies like Samsung, Apple, HTC and LG are making lots of money, SE, with the ultimate XPlay still loses money and can't make it on top.
Why? This phone should've been selled like hot bread, it should've been as popular as the PSP or iPhone, it had and has so much advertisements, it's now on Minecraft site's front page, page visited by thousands of people.
With this sad news, they could leave the mobile industry in a few years...
I really don't understand.
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I think they should have pushed the play more in the united states. I only saw 2 commercials and that was after the phone was already out in the market for a couple of months.
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Yeah, maybe in Q3 they would have more profit, but just enough to cover that -50 mil.

The advertising campaigns in south america have been a real success. Most tweets in Spanish about the play are comments about them...

Also releasing it at the same time that they announced the Vita may be part of it. I know people who didn’t get one because the Vita is coming and this thing only plays PSX (And not many if you done use and emulator) and phone games. I was hoping for games designed with the play in mind and not just phone updated for the plays controls. This doesn’t work if not done right. A lot (not all) of people don’t like how they made the controls for all the good Gameloft and EA games.
It is not what I expected for sure. (But I still love it)

antispiral said:
I think they should have pushed the play more in the united states. I only saw 2 commercials and that was after the phone was already out in the market for a couple of months.
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I have seen many in Canada. I watch a lot of Game related channels like G4TV.
I also agree with the other guys that say it will turn around soon.

Lack of mainstream games is the reason SEXPlay isnt doing as well as it should be.
I only bought the phone for emulation so I am happy whatever games do or do not get released for it.

However, I've read that 75% of Xperia Play owners have bought compatible paid games. That means that a niche is there.

Cant argue with that. I myself have bought most Gameloft games. Currently bought and loving Reckless Racing too
New Jrioni update has made Mame totally awesome aswell.

dsswoosh said:
Cant argue with that. I myself have bought most Gameloft games. Currently bought and loving Reckless Racing too
New Jrioni update has made Mame totally awesome aswell.
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I bought the gameloft's all or almost all but mostly because they wete on offers like a pound each and some at three pounds but buy one get one free.
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I have bought HEAPS of games and i don't usually do that for a phone.
I am pretty sure SE was losing this amount every year without having any of these droid phones but sales have picked up remarkably since they bought into android.
Sony has always threatened closing down their mobile arm but these figures aren't really anything alarming seeing that some regions are just getting the phone now and with the price drop more units are flying off the shelf.

I got all my gameloft games for free from underground community here, b'coz in our poor country, gameloft games are priced too high.. One gameloft game egual to a cost of my lunch + dinner here, sometimes even equal to breakfast + lunch + dinner

Logseman said:
However, I've read that 75% of Xperia Play owners have bought compatible paid games. That means that a niche is there.
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I have purchased a few.
I have also spent $Hundreds in iOS Games. The only thing keeping me from spending more on the Play is lack of memory. I don’t want to spend $70+ on a bigger SD card. The 16GB one cost me over $30.

hate_do said:
I got all my gameloft games for free from underground community here, b'coz in our poor country, gameloft games are priced too high.. One gameloft game egual to a cost of my lunch + dinner here, sometimes even equal to breakfast + lunch + dinner
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You can buy a $500+ phone but can’t spend $5-$10 for a game?
Not cool dude.

hate_do said:
I got all my gameloft games for free from underground community here, b'coz in our poor country, gameloft games are priced too high.. One gameloft game egual to a cost of my lunch + dinner here, sometimes even equal to breakfast + lunch + dinner
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poor country lol. That is no excuse.
In NZ and AU we pay 6 - 8 dollars per game and I also can get a cheap breakfast/lunch for that price.
Also rather annoying because the AUD is as strong as the USD yet we pay more.
Either way that is no excuse for pirating... You are essentially saying "I should get things free because I can't afford it" and you may as well walk into a Games store, take a game off the shelf and put it in your pocket and walk out, if you have that logic.

Also rather annoying because the AUD is as strong as the USD yet we pay more.
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The same here in Canada.

hate_do said:
I got all my gameloft games for free from underground community here, b'coz in our poor country, gameloft games are priced too high.. One gameloft game egual to a cost of my lunch + dinner here, sometimes even equal to breakfast + lunch + dinner
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ncaissie said:
The same here in Canada.
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Atleast they got the sh1t version of the Xperia Play with a terrible provider

Sony files to block use of preowned games on PS4

Just found this. Sony would be stupid to do this. I understand their reasons. But still think its suicide commercially
http://feeds.itproportal.com/~r/itproportal/rss/~3/oDe_Wkfa2qQ/
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I thought they only patented the tech? Not that they were going to implement it
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I don't think they will do this because there was this scare on the ps3 release when people said that the ps3 "engraves" the game disk with a kind of encryption so only that ps3 can read it but Sony did not do that so I dont think they will do this
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They created the tech and are patenting it thats all this is, because if they don't someone else will.
There were rumors of this last year, and HUGE public backlash to the point they released a statement saying they would not do it.

If I can't play preowned games on a Playstation 4, F*****uck Sony, I'm serious if I can't play preowned games I will be looking towards Microsoft.

Sony could have had an extra marketing tool by letting people play ps2 games on the original fat ps3's. But they took that away and disabled any such feature. IMO I hope Sony steps back from their gaming console and see that they're murdering it.

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If I can't play preowned games on a Playstation 4, F*****uck Sony, I'm serious if I can't play preowned games I will be looking towards Microsoft.
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Microsoft wants the exact samething.

If this is true then I whole heartedly support it. Game devs make nothing from pre owned sales. You like a particular dev then buy their games brand new
Simple as
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CTU_Loscombe said:
If this is true then I whole heartedly support it. Game devs make nothing from pre owned sales. You like a particular dev then buy their games brand new
Simple as
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But this would also prevent you taking a game over to a friend's house or lending a game. Furthermore, people trade in games in order to buy new games often but this would also prevent that
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UndisputedGuy said:
But this would also prevent you taking a game over to a friend's house or lending a game. Furthermore, people trade in games in order to buy new games often but this would also prevent that
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It's a necessary trade off
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Been this way on the PC for years due to single use codes. No-one will trade in PC games, hence why Steam has become so prolific.
The flipside of this could be that because game devs/publishers would be making more profit from sales, retail prices could drop to similar levels as PC games. The price of console games is the specific reason my Xbox is just a media centre and my pc is for gaming!!

i hope they do not implement it, and the patent will prevent other to try to implement it

And again... already been confirmed that while they have patented this, they are NOT going to implement it.
BTW if you research the PS3 you'll find that 2-3 versions of the original fat PS3 had PS2 backward compatibility. They worked on it for a while and found a couple problems. First was that not all PS2 games would work. Second was it was adding a huge amount to the cost. People were complaining about how much it cost (and not buying it), and people were complaining and even returning systems because all their PS2 games wouldn't play. They did the smartest thing, cut the R&D expenses and hardware expenses of continuing to develop a dead platform, lowering the price, and eliminating consumer expectation of every game working. Its called business

Rogue Leader said:
And again... already been confirmed that while they have patented this, they are NOT going to implement it.
BTW if you research the PS3 you'll find that 2-3 versions of the original fat PS3 had PS2 backward compatibility. They worked on it for a while and found a couple problems. First was that not all PS2 games would work. Second was it was adding a huge amount to the cost. People were complaining about how much it cost (and not buying it), and people were complaining and even returning systems because all their PS2 games wouldn't play. They did the smartest thing, cut the R&D expenses and hardware expenses of continuing to develop a dead platform, lowering the price, and eliminating consumer expectation of every game working. Its called business
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I did look a little into it and Rogue Leader is correct, they have patented it. And in regards to the PS2 compatibility why do we t hink the PS2 is still around, at least until the current supplies are in stock... been confirmed EOL for PS2.
Thats probably why thge PS2 12 years later is still around as PS2 compatibility was dropped from PS3.
So with that in mind I guess this particular thread can be close as theres no need in keeping a thread open that would just confuse people...... unless of course $ony does decide to use this patent, but again it doesnt look like it, thye simply patented it.

What you guys seem to be forgetting is that sony is a business. Not your intimate family member. If you owned a company, profit would be one of your highest priorities if you were in Sony's position. Secondly, just because they applied for a patent does not mean they are going to use it. The ps3 and the xbox 360 currently have the functionality to block the use of pre-owned games, they aren't. Publishers are already making you buy "online passes" if you buy pre-owned games and want to play them online, this could be what Sony was going for. There have been rumours of microsoft also looking into a similar system. But wait, lets not bash the messengers, you also have to consider third part developers. They're more than likely pressuring Sony+Microsoft as they also don't recieve anything from pre-owned purchases. Now, please stop with the hate.
EDIT- Some of the points have already been made in this thread.

Aftermarket Products for Ouya

Does anyone here think there may be an aftermarket for Ouya? If so:
- What kind of products would you like to see?
- What or how much would you like to be able to customize?
- How much would you be willing to pay?
- Special edition consoles?

I'd like to see a controller that costs less than $50. I understand they are trying to recoup their one time engineering costs, but one of the things that attracted me to ouya was its low price.
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mybook4 said:
I'd like to see a controller that costs less than $50. I understand they are trying to recoup their one time engineering costs, but one of the things that attracted me to ouya was its low price.
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This will probably happen over time I reckon, as you said it probably is the one off, initial release costs and prices may come down especially if the console is popular! Definitely hope it is! Probably get one myself if I'm able to personalise it at some point.

Devzz said:
This will probably happen over time I reckon, as you said it probably is the one off, initial release costs and prices may come down especially if the console is popular! Definitely hope it is! Probably get one myself if I'm able to personalise it at some point.
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I wonder what sort of aftermarket products will pop up for the OUYA?
I'm guessing mostly mouse emulating touch pads and Bluetooth keyboards, but we already have that available .
Apart from flashy, shinny controllers and stickers to dress up the console body there might not be much available. But the console looks great already and it's so tiny that anything can hide it and have people looking around for it in the living room or where ever you put it lol.

josenightbreed said:
I wonder what sort of aftermarket products will pop up for the OUYA?
I'm guessing mostly mouse emulating touch pads and Bluetooth keyboards, but we already have that available .
Apart from flashy, shinny controllers and stickers to dress up the console body there might not be much available. But the console looks great already and it's so tiny that anything can hide it and have people looking around for it in the living room or where ever you put it lol.
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Yeah I was thinking more along the lines of personalisation like maybe the shell of the console could be changed with custom ones or if owners would want custom artwork on the shell, kinda like what was done with the Xbox 360 faceplate

I think it's feasable. Heck, Ouya gave the specs to do your own 3D print of the shell if you want a different color.

mybook4 said:
I'd like to see a controller that costs less than $50. I understand they are trying to recoup their one time engineering costs, but one of the things that attracted me to ouya was its low price.
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They made 8.5 million dollars from Kickstarter and using tech that has already been r&d'd before they began building these. Basically they used very inexpensive off the shelf parts. Not trying to say its cheap, in fact from a business aspect it's smart as hell and they are able to incur a lot of savings from practically no hardware r&d. Even after any taxes on the Kickstarter money, do they have much of a deficit to recoup? One factor I wouldn't be able to consider is economy of scale. But if they made 8.5 million on preorders I imagine they are moving enough units to cost average nicely.
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Sony drops developer fees for PSM

Sony's dropped the fees to drive up support.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/XperiaBlog/~3/3jkADRCUv5I/
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ozzmanj1 said:
Sony's dropped the fees to drive up support.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/XperiaBlog/~3/3jkADRCUv5I/
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I remember reading this a few days back and thinking this won't make any difference.
Sony has to ask themselves why a developer would dedicate time and resources to their market place when there is already one with a substantially bigger audience to target? What does this one offer that others do not? The Playstation brand still has some clout with people but it doesn't have the level I think required to push Playstation Mobile (as is) on a mass scale.
Sony should look at investing more of their own time and resources before they come to expect it of developers. They should add PS Classics currently wasted on the Vita to drum up some initial interest in the concept, and obviously they can't rely on past games forever so they should lead by example and launch some new kickass titles themselves.
I was interested in Playstation Mobile before launch but what I've seen thus far does not interest me.

I added this to the comments on the link in post 1.
Gun Commando is the only decent game there, the rest are junk in my opinion. Installed PSM on my PLAY for about 2 weeks and deleted it. Here s a good move Sony, drop the damn $5 increments when you buy a game. I had $2 and wanted to buy a game that was $3. Sony makes you pay $5 so you then have $7, then if you dont spend it Sony still has your money. Its freaking horse sh!t and robbery of the worst kind. Shame on you $ony.
Perhaps its a bit harsh but the fact they take $5 increments only is robbery. Who wants to dump $5 just to get $2 for a game.... its asinine. In the world of the anti-christ in American Dad - "Smell my a$$"...... sorry just PSM was a huge let down, was looking forward to it and I dont even look at it... terrible. Although I do appreciate a certain member here in XDA XP who updated the thread for PSM each week.

It's going to be interesting, seeing as Sony doesn't allow free games (well, they must have DLC) on the store. While I agree on the audience front, I've enjoyed PSM development in a language I understand well and can take part as a hobby. Somehow, my silly Snake remake has sold over 700 copies!
PSM does have its flaws (no trophies/leaderboards/auto updates) but the messages coming out of Sony suggest they aren't giving up on it yet. However, in my opinion making the dev license free may not have the effect Sony expected; yes there will be an explosion in games but it's a question of quality (I'm not saying Snake is amazing, it has no sound and I'm still supporting it, but it's 79p) and whether Sony is going to actually support the platform.

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Ordered one. Can't wait for May 2014.

Ordered. Can't wait!

Ordered one. I can't wait either!

Don't forget to spread the word! If they don't hit the goal then the phone won't be made and we'll all be refunded our money. So there's no concern about losing your payment, let's get this goal reached so we can enjoy having the highest quality phone made!
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Also ordered one.
Any of the devs here ordering one?

Ordered !
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Hell i couldnt resist paid $675

jutley said:
Hell i couldnt resist paid $675
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I know the feeling. I was prepared to pay the $830 but when I looked today I grabbed one for $625.
People don't think about it, but 40,000 devices for $32,000,000 is $800 per device. Every one they sell less than that they're losing money on.
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Amazing phone! I want to buy it but I think I will wait little much more

D0GuKaN said:
Amazing phone! I want to buy it but I think I will wait little much more
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I think there's a lot of people thinking this. Once it gets closer to the required amount and its a more feasible possibility that the phone will actually be made there will be more people to jump on board. That's what I was thinking until I found out that the funders got a refund if it didn't meet the goal. Once I knew that then I jumped on because I don't want people not buying the device because they're waiting for the number to get higher. There just isn't much logic behind that when you'll either get the phone or a full refund. The longer you wait, the more you risk having to pay more for the device.
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Yep - I jumped on board too $32million is a big target though - hopefully when it beats the pebble smartwatch funding record ($10mil) people will take it more seriously.
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People don't think about it, but 40,000 devices for $32,000,000 is $800 per device. Every one they sell less than that they're losing money on.
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Fortunately there seem to be lots of good samaritans that are pledging lower amounts for no reward - basically subsidising the phone for the rest of us!
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Fortunately there seem to be lots of good samaritans that are pledging lower amounts for no reward - basically subsidising the phone for the rest of us!
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True. I am grateful for those people. I was going to be one but after thinking about it for a day (and seeing the reduced price) I couldn't resist.
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It sucks I dint have enough money
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Findee said:
It sucks I dint have enough money
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Every little bit helps. If this phone gets funded then they'll release another next year that maybe you can jump on. If this phone doesn't get made then there's no knowing how long it'll take for a device like this to be made again.
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Win Ubuntu Edge!
Hi Ubuntu fans!
We can now win Engraved Ubuntu Edge phone (if it reaches the production) by spreading the word about it.
Go to Indiegogo Ubuntu Edge page and check the announcement!
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We can now win Engraved Ubuntu Edge phone (if it reaches the production) by spreading the word about it.
Go to Indiegogo Ubuntu Edge page and check the announcement!
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Bought one as well. Unfortunately it seems that to few people are aware of this SUPER PHONE. SPREAD THE WORD!!
We're living on the edge! Keep on rockin in the free world!
I really thought it was more people here at XDA that was interested in cool tech like this.

dave888 said:
Bought one as well. Unfortunately it seems that to few people are aware of this SUPER PHONE. SPREAD THE WORD!!
We're living on the edge! Keep on rockin in the free world!
I really thought it was more people here at XDA that was interested in cool tech like this.
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Would it be against XDA policy to make a thread such as this in the Android and Windows Phone general sections? I didn't think of it till you mentioned it, but just because its in those threads doesn't mean people aren't interested. We're not forcing the phone on anyone, just wanting to bring it to light. I've used all of my social networking connections to promote this device.
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Ordered mine yesterday ......
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Paid 860 dollars and got 205 dollars in discount the day after. Win
If they're not far from making it by the last days, I can give them the 205 dollars to make sure they go through with it. 830+30 dollars is still a good price for that phone.