Sony files to block use of preowned games on PS4 - Xperia Play General

Just found this. Sony would be stupid to do this. I understand their reasons. But still think its suicide commercially
http://feeds.itproportal.com/~r/itproportal/rss/~3/oDe_Wkfa2qQ/
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I thought they only patented the tech? Not that they were going to implement it
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I don't think they will do this because there was this scare on the ps3 release when people said that the ps3 "engraves" the game disk with a kind of encryption so only that ps3 can read it but Sony did not do that so I dont think they will do this
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They created the tech and are patenting it thats all this is, because if they don't someone else will.
There were rumors of this last year, and HUGE public backlash to the point they released a statement saying they would not do it.

If I can't play preowned games on a Playstation 4, F*****uck Sony, I'm serious if I can't play preowned games I will be looking towards Microsoft.

Sony could have had an extra marketing tool by letting people play ps2 games on the original fat ps3's. But they took that away and disabled any such feature. IMO I hope Sony steps back from their gaming console and see that they're murdering it.

TheCraig said:
If I can't play preowned games on a Playstation 4, F*****uck Sony, I'm serious if I can't play preowned games I will be looking towards Microsoft.
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Microsoft wants the exact samething.

If this is true then I whole heartedly support it. Game devs make nothing from pre owned sales. You like a particular dev then buy their games brand new
Simple as
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If this is true then I whole heartedly support it. Game devs make nothing from pre owned sales. You like a particular dev then buy their games brand new
Simple as
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But this would also prevent you taking a game over to a friend's house or lending a game. Furthermore, people trade in games in order to buy new games often but this would also prevent that
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UndisputedGuy said:
But this would also prevent you taking a game over to a friend's house or lending a game. Furthermore, people trade in games in order to buy new games often but this would also prevent that
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It's a necessary trade off
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Been this way on the PC for years due to single use codes. No-one will trade in PC games, hence why Steam has become so prolific.
The flipside of this could be that because game devs/publishers would be making more profit from sales, retail prices could drop to similar levels as PC games. The price of console games is the specific reason my Xbox is just a media centre and my pc is for gaming!!

i hope they do not implement it, and the patent will prevent other to try to implement it

And again... already been confirmed that while they have patented this, they are NOT going to implement it.
BTW if you research the PS3 you'll find that 2-3 versions of the original fat PS3 had PS2 backward compatibility. They worked on it for a while and found a couple problems. First was that not all PS2 games would work. Second was it was adding a huge amount to the cost. People were complaining about how much it cost (and not buying it), and people were complaining and even returning systems because all their PS2 games wouldn't play. They did the smartest thing, cut the R&D expenses and hardware expenses of continuing to develop a dead platform, lowering the price, and eliminating consumer expectation of every game working. Its called business

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And again... already been confirmed that while they have patented this, they are NOT going to implement it.
BTW if you research the PS3 you'll find that 2-3 versions of the original fat PS3 had PS2 backward compatibility. They worked on it for a while and found a couple problems. First was that not all PS2 games would work. Second was it was adding a huge amount to the cost. People were complaining about how much it cost (and not buying it), and people were complaining and even returning systems because all their PS2 games wouldn't play. They did the smartest thing, cut the R&D expenses and hardware expenses of continuing to develop a dead platform, lowering the price, and eliminating consumer expectation of every game working. Its called business
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I did look a little into it and Rogue Leader is correct, they have patented it. And in regards to the PS2 compatibility why do we t hink the PS2 is still around, at least until the current supplies are in stock... been confirmed EOL for PS2.
Thats probably why thge PS2 12 years later is still around as PS2 compatibility was dropped from PS3.
So with that in mind I guess this particular thread can be close as theres no need in keeping a thread open that would just confuse people...... unless of course $ony does decide to use this patent, but again it doesnt look like it, thye simply patented it.

What you guys seem to be forgetting is that sony is a business. Not your intimate family member. If you owned a company, profit would be one of your highest priorities if you were in Sony's position. Secondly, just because they applied for a patent does not mean they are going to use it. The ps3 and the xbox 360 currently have the functionality to block the use of pre-owned games, they aren't. Publishers are already making you buy "online passes" if you buy pre-owned games and want to play them online, this could be what Sony was going for. There have been rumours of microsoft also looking into a similar system. But wait, lets not bash the messengers, you also have to consider third part developers. They're more than likely pressuring Sony+Microsoft as they also don't recieve anything from pre-owned purchases. Now, please stop with the hate.
EDIT- Some of the points have already been made in this thread.

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Sony 'unconcerned' by low Xperia Play PSone game sales (News)

Sony 'unconcerned' by low Xperia Play PSone game sales
Sony has said it's unconcerned by low initial sales of PSone games on Xperia Play.
Each of the five original PlayStation games available for the phone on Android Marketplace have shifted under 1,000 units since launching in early April. Here are the sales totals, courtesy of PlayStation LifeStyle:
Cool Boarders 2: 100-500
Destruction Derby: 500-1,000
Jumping Flash: 50-100
MediEvil: 100-500
Syphon Filter: 100-500
Despite the underwhelming numbers, Sony Ericsson head of market development Dominic Neil-Dwyer told the site Xperia Play was "shaking up" the mobile sector.
"I think there's also an awareness thing for people that are getting their hands on the device and where they are choosing to purchase games," he said. "There's only a few, at the minute, PlayStation One titles there, and there's more coming on a regular basis, and there's the whole PlayStation as a content provider exclusive to the device, the story about that, that will emerge and people will see.
"So, there's no concerns, it's a revolutionary device, it's shaking up the market, we're very pleased with it. In terms of getting the PlayStation Certified program out, generally, we're very happy. I think we'll make a full assessment of if it has achieved our expectations fully, further down the line, so we're very happy."
Xperia Play will be available on the O2 network (UK) in "early June", the service provider confirmed yesterday. While the device has already released on other major UK phone networks, O2 put off its own launch in light of unspecified bugs it identified with the hardware.
Sony Ericsson UK marketing boss David Hilton told CVG last month that the firm's planning to woo developers to bring a new type of PlayStation exclusive to market in the coming months - freezing out the likes of iPhone to release mobile titles only on its Xperia Play.
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Any thoughts? isn't the Xperia Play selling very well in general? (anyone got any sales figures?) or do people prefer FPSE? or maybe the titles are too expensive?
Them games were medicore at their original release IMO. Wait for the US release, throw up some top class games like MGS or FF7 and it will be a different story. Saying that I already own most of the PS1 games I want to play in either disc or PSN form so I'll probably stick to FPSE rather than buying again.
Had no idea you could vet them in marketplace. Never seen them there
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sdlaurin said:
Had no idea you could vet them in marketplace. Never seen them there
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Launch the playstation app and press the search button
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Their cost has been making an emulator and ripping the ROMs. Of course they are unconcerned with low sales, they didn't invest any serious sum of money.
The phone is selling well, but the PS1 games aren't. Most people are buying the Gameloft/Xperia Play designed games.
It's not much to worry about, i'll explain why.
Mainstream consoles normally get sold for extremely low profit. I believe the 360 and PS3 were even being sold at a loss. M$ and Sony make their money from the games. This makes for extremely cheap hardware. The Xperia Play, and mobile phones in general are not subsidised by games or software. You pay what the hardware is worth. Even if they sold 0 games, SE are still in a healthy position.
I deleted my playstation pocket app and play all the PS1 games on fpse. I would think most people are doing the same.
The Play needs a batch of original games. It has the power of a PS2+ on native games. Look at the graphics on backstab, they are incredible for a mobile phone. PS1 emulated games do not show off the Xperia Play all that well anyway.
I'm going with dsswoosh here, I think ps1 games are mostly good for marketing then anything else. On most consoles/handhelds backwards compatability is a thing used in marketing at the release of new devices but gets neglected later on as only a few people actually care for it (the ps3 got away with removing it in newer versions and nobody really cares that the x360 doesn't support al the original xbox games and a lot of wii owners don't even know they can play gamecube games on it).
Probably some major titles will be released around tactical data (US release or when competitors bring out something new or when the playstation suite comes to tegra 2 devices for example).
dsswoosh said:
The phone is selling well, but the PS1 games aren't. Most people are buying the Gameloft/Xperia Play designed games.
It's not much to worry about, i'll explain why.
Mainstream consoles normally get sold for extremely low profit. I believe the 360 and PS3 were even being sold at a loss. M$ and Sony make their money from the games. This makes for extremely cheap hardware. The Xperia Play, and mobile phones in general are not subsidised by games or software. You pay what the hardware is worth. Even if they sold 0 games, SE are still in a healthy position.
I deleted my playstation pocket app and play all the PS1 games on fpse. I would think most people are doing the same.
The Play needs a batch of original games. It has the power of a PS2+ on native games. Look at the graphics on backstab, they are incredible for a mobile phone. PS1 emulated games do not show off the Xperia Play all that well anyway.
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dsswoosh is right. if people want to play old games, they'll get their own emulator and play it for free.
there has been a lot of very very bad journalism out there though (if you can call it journalism). rather than reporting that ps1 game sales are low, many are simply saying xperia play game sales are horrible.
i read many interviews with game developers and companies like gameloft are saying xperia play game sales are only second to iphone. the overall android game development landscape is no where as strong as the ios but most of the bigger android players happily add xperia play gamepad support b/c it's easy and brings in additonal revenue with little additional work.

End of life

http://se-xperia.com/o2-reduce-xper...you-go/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Only had mine for a few months I'm furious
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How is it the end of it's life? It's just another sales ploy. Look at the xbox 360. Thats been like half the price of a PS3 for like 2 years now. Yet the 360 have sold alot more units.
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Its discounted, that does not mean its end of life. In fact its discounted to heck here in the US, but still has a ton of advertising, and support by game companies is INCREASING. My guess is they want to get as many of them out as possible for the PS Suite launch, because all those emulated games are going to be pure profit for them. The more Plays in the wild, the more $5 old games they sell of which there is no distribution or overhead costs.
Hmm maybe a sales ploy! Been here before with products but I an more annoyed with me having paid more than double what the price is now after 2 months.
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Obviously they believe that the sale of this device can generate more income overall in sales of games.
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Deoxlar said:
Obviously they believe that the sale of this device can generate more income overall in sales of games.
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Console developers are famous for taking a loss on H/W as they make back the money in games.
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AndroHero said:
Console developers are famous for taking a loss on H/W as they make back the money in games.
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Yeah, games that tens/hundreds of thousands of people buy.
H/W with tight anti-pirate security.
The Play just doesn't fall into any of those categories enough to generate the aftermarket revenue.
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Console developers are famous for taking a loss on H/W as they make back the money in games.
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DeadlyDazza said:
Yeah, games that tens/hundreds of thousands of people buy.
H/W with tight anti-pirate security.
The Play just doesn't fall into any of those categories enough to generate the aftermarket revenue.
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Lets think about that for a second. Because the Play DOES use an older hardware setup that arguably is probably a lot cheaper to make the most expensive part (the guts) than a newer Dual Core Device with the newest graphics chip.
So maybe the loss is small on these, and easily made up based on the contract kickbacks and eventual game sales.
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How is it the end of it's life? It's just another sales ploy. Look at the xbox 360. Thats been like half the price of a PS3 for like 2 years now. Yet the 360 have sold alot more units.
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Stop reading US-only websites (or Microsoft propaganda), and you would know the PS3 is actually outselling the Xbox by some significant margin.... It's how they closed the gap and overtook the Xbox in total sales, despite launching 16 months later.
Also, the PS3 is not double the price. You can pick up a 160GB PS3 for £179...
Dont forget your ps3 3.55 cfw im sure that fw sold many systems alone
Black ops solt for about £45 when it was first out, now its what £20, These are just discounts to sell as many as possible, Will be back up to like £300 - £400 after Xmas

Opinion on the playstation certified ecosystem

So I finished watching the PS4 press conference,and its all great,but I saw the Xperia Z mentioned trought and they said something about streaming ps1,2,3 games across the vita,tablets and phones. Now,I remember when I got my Xperia Play,Playstation certified was this big thing they overhyped where you were supposed to get playstation games and now its just a half-baked store nobody uses. Now,the technology exists,I've played pc games over OnLive with no lag on my 2 year old phone. I persionally think sony is gonna push playstation games to be streamed and downloaded on certified devices(legit store with lots of games),but they make a lot of promises they cant fulfil.
Anyways let me know what you think...I need a break from these trolls and 10 posts a day about HTC
Sv: Opinion on the playstation certified ecosystem
Never used the option on my 1 year old Xperia S. Saw a few games in a app hopeless in age but the price was in the very high end so no reason to start that adventure.
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it will be more meaningful once the trophies and leader board system is in place.
Never really used it since FPSE is doing wonders... It's nice to have it, but I have to try it out more - hopefully they'll integrate it with PS3's Playstation Network, add trophies and more games. Maybe PSP games, but I wouldn't count on it.
Playstation cert is just markrting.
I have few games which is awesome on grpahics side, but gameplay is like kid 5 years old made it.
I will never buy any game from PSM store.
Also they said that playstation phones will come somehow hybrid android, which could reboot or switch to playstation VITA rom, (like psvita, and that could make games compatibile to any ps phone) but no, sony didnt do anything.
Ps phone is just markrting and is a bull s, you know what i mean
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electrash said:
Also they said that playstation phones will come somehow hybrid android, which could reboot or switch to playstation VITA rom, (like psvita, and that could make games compatibile to any ps phone) but no, sony didnt do anything.
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I'm pretty sure that was a fan made-up rumour...
Anyway, I agree, Playstation certificate is a wasted potential. PSX emulators can do MUCH more than Sony's official PS app. Ok, i understand, you need to have the original PSX and games to be able to legally use emulators - but hey, who doesn't keep his old PSX on a silk pillow right ? I certainly do!
So about the PSN app...they really need to put more work into it. Come on Sony, you have thousands of games ready to enchance your smartphones, use it! If third-party emulators can flawlessly run each PSX games, you certainly can as well.
No, that wasnt fan boy rumor.
Sony says that by them self on official blog.
But that will never come true imo.
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electrash said:
No, that wasnt fan boy rumor.
Sony says that by them self on official blog.
But that will never come true imo.
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Could you provide a link ? Want to take a look.
Shame they didn't introduce it already if they said they would

Sony drops developer fees for PSM

Sony's dropped the fees to drive up support.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/XperiaBlog/~3/3jkADRCUv5I/
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Sony's dropped the fees to drive up support.
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I remember reading this a few days back and thinking this won't make any difference.
Sony has to ask themselves why a developer would dedicate time and resources to their market place when there is already one with a substantially bigger audience to target? What does this one offer that others do not? The Playstation brand still has some clout with people but it doesn't have the level I think required to push Playstation Mobile (as is) on a mass scale.
Sony should look at investing more of their own time and resources before they come to expect it of developers. They should add PS Classics currently wasted on the Vita to drum up some initial interest in the concept, and obviously they can't rely on past games forever so they should lead by example and launch some new kickass titles themselves.
I was interested in Playstation Mobile before launch but what I've seen thus far does not interest me.
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Gun Commando is the only decent game there, the rest are junk in my opinion. Installed PSM on my PLAY for about 2 weeks and deleted it. Here s a good move Sony, drop the damn $5 increments when you buy a game. I had $2 and wanted to buy a game that was $3. Sony makes you pay $5 so you then have $7, then if you dont spend it Sony still has your money. Its freaking horse sh!t and robbery of the worst kind. Shame on you $ony.
Perhaps its a bit harsh but the fact they take $5 increments only is robbery. Who wants to dump $5 just to get $2 for a game.... its asinine. In the world of the anti-christ in American Dad - "Smell my a$$"...... sorry just PSM was a huge let down, was looking forward to it and I dont even look at it... terrible. Although I do appreciate a certain member here in XDA XP who updated the thread for PSM each week.
It's going to be interesting, seeing as Sony doesn't allow free games (well, they must have DLC) on the store. While I agree on the audience front, I've enjoyed PSM development in a language I understand well and can take part as a hobby. Somehow, my silly Snake remake has sold over 700 copies!
PSM does have its flaws (no trophies/leaderboards/auto updates) but the messages coming out of Sony suggest they aren't giving up on it yet. However, in my opinion making the dev license free may not have the effect Sony expected; yes there will be an explosion in games but it's a question of quality (I'm not saying Snake is amazing, it has no sound and I'm still supporting it, but it's 79p) and whether Sony is going to actually support the platform.

OUYA 2

Big announcement from Xaomi on Google Search saying it may be a new game console? With the rumored Xaomi/Ouya partnership could this be the Ouya 2??
Ouya does deserve some credit. How many companies can claim 1000+ games barring Sony or Microsoft? Grated they are not all top notch games nor should they be. Ouya started as a platform for inspiring game developers and indie players which in my opinion they have done? I know the developers be it a good or bad game spent countless hours putting those games on Ouya? I should think any hardcore gamer should embrace and support taking games back to its roots. Lately Ouya has stepped up to the plate making improvements to its OS and is still adding new games regardless of the bad press?
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/games/news/xiaomi-teases-launch-of-gaming-product-at-tuesday-event-650719
Unfortunately, Alibaba funds OUYA instead of xiaomi
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Alexsandra said:
Unfortunately, Alibaba funds OUYA instead of xiaomi
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I thought Ouya still had a agreement with Xiaomi is this no longer the case?
they have an agreement in place with both of them, read it on g+ the other day. I have ouya everywhere running on my rk3288 box ATM duck game tower fall and a few others run fine on it, so not bothered whether they release a new ouya tbh
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