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I'm one for technical innovation, don't get me wrong. I'm loving all the new tech that comes out. The atrix 4g basically wet my panties with its specs.
BUT. I hate how youhave top of the line equipment one day, then 6 months later it is completely outclassed.
Imagine if the video game systems did this?
The gamecube/xbox cam out in 2001
The 360 came out in 2005
The wii in 06
The ps2 is STILL kicken, but its original life was from 2000-2006
And the 360 and ps3 are here for a while to come. That much is clear. Why? Because the hardware is still underutilized!
Yeah, there were remakes, but nothing was remade to the poin where you were just "I HAVE TO UPGRADE."
they build stuff that's aheadof their times. Just recently the gamecube was found to have hidden 3d connectors!
Also, when there is a remake of a system, its usually a LOT cheaper, mostl because the cost of the tech drops. Look at the xbox 360 kinect.
Its like thedifferencebetween the galaxy s and nexus s, yet its CHEAPER!
Now look what else samsung is doing
Our Vibrant Brethren got fluffed big time. T-mo is getting a "Vibrant 4g" which is the vibrant with the original galaxy s specs (same thing but with hspa+ and ffc) and....RUNNING TW FROYO!!!!!!
Samsung is the company I wouldn't wanna follow. I've always loved samsungs hardware. Its always top of the line. But I've never had a samsung phone before this one, and I'm pretty sure this is gonna be my last -_- I thought all the stories about samsungs horrible track record regarding updates was a bunch of hoopla becaue my hero was updated regularly. My thought was "lol if htc is pushing these updates out, imagine samsungs speed!"
Boy was I wrong.
If it wasn't for the android dev community, samsungs android phones would've been dead a long time ago. They should realize this.
/endrant
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A_Flying_Fox said:
I'm one for technical innovation, don't get me wrong. I'm loving all the new tech that comes out. The atrix 4g basically wet my panties with its specs.
BUT. I hate how youhave top of the line equipment one day, then 6 months later it is completely outclassed.
Imagine if the video game systems did this?
The gamecube/xbox cam out in 2001
The 360 came out in 2005
The wii in 06
The ps2 is STILL kicken, but its original life was from 2000-2006
And the 360 and ps3 are here for a while to come. That much is clear. Why? Because the hardware is still underutilized!
Yeah, there were remakes, but nothing was remade to the poin where you were just "I HAVE TO UPGRADE."
they build stuff that's aheadof their times. Just recently the gamecube was found to have hidden 3d connectors!
Also, when there is a remake of a system, its usually a LOT cheaper, mostl because the cost of the tech drops. Look at the xbox 360 kinect.
Its like thedifferencebetween the galaxy s and nexus s, yet its CHEAPER!
Now look what else samsung is doing
Our Vibrant Brethren got fluffed big time. T-mo is getting a "Vibrant 4g" which is the vibrant with the original galaxy s specs (same thing but with hspa+ and ffc) and....RUNNING TW FROYO!!!!!!
Samsung is the company I wouldn't wanna follow. I've always loved samsungs hardware. Its always top of the line. But I've never had a samsung phone before this one, and I'm pretty sure this is gonna be my last -_- I thought all the stories about samsungs horrible track record regarding updates was a bunch of hoopla becaue my hero was updated regularly. My thought was "lol if htc is pushing these updates out, imagine samsungs speed!"
Boy was I wrong.
If it wasn't for the android dev community, samsungs android phones would've been dead a long time ago. They should realize this.
/endrant
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I agree with you 497%
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1143070p1.html
just a little link I found about the ps3 totally unrelated to this forum but hey
Intersting observation and comparison. I think the difference is that it takes so much development to introduce a new system that the entire process is excessively costly. From my understanding, each manufacturer (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) loses money on each system sold because the costs are so high. They recoup the costs in peripherals and software development (getting game devlopers onboard to make games for their systems). Phone manufacturers make their money on the front end (phone sales) so they have every incentive to continue pushing out as many new phones as possible to cover every segment of the available phone market.
Different ideas at play.
tphillips78 said:
I agree with you 497%
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/114/1143070p1.html
just a little link I found about the ps3 totally unrelated to this forum but hey
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Lol sony really hates having open software. If they REALLY go through the effort of designing a Whole new system JUST to do what htc thought they did with the g2, then the video game world as we know it will clearly be gone.
They sould just pull a nintendo. "Hey, If you manage to hack it, whatevs. But ifyou accidentally update and we brick it, don't get mad boo "
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Intersting observation and comparison. I think the difference is that it takes so much development to introduce a new system that the entire process is excessively costly. From my understanding, each manufacturer (Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft) loses money on each system sold because the costs are so high. They recoup the costs in peripherals and software development (getting game devlopers onboard to make games for their systems). Phone manufacturers make their money on the front end (phone sales) so they have every incentive to continue pushing out as many new phones as possible to cover every segment of the available phone market.
Different ideas at play.
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But they're catering to the SAME individuals with ever release everyfew months.
Look at the HD2 and HD7 -_- STUFF LIK THAT KILLS ME
REALLY HTC? THE HD2 CAN'T HNDLE WINDOWS PHONE 7 BUT THE SAME HARDWARE RELEASED A YEAR LATER CAN?
Btw thanks for not flaming even though I was ranting
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Lol sony really hates having open software. If they REALLY go through the effort of designing a Whole new system JUST to do what htc thought they did with the g2, then the video game world as we know it will clearly be gone.
They sould just pull a nintendo. "Hey, If you manage to hack it, whatevs. But ifyou accidentally update and we brick it, don't get mad boo "
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Lol what gets me is that they complain about the ps3 being hacked what about when the playstayion phone comes out on android? Back to Samsung/Sprint for a hot second though. If samsung can release Froyo on all these other carriers worldwide with the TW interface what's truly stopping them from a US release? Is it the fact that if its ready for one carrier and not the others the others ***** threatening to drop samsung support for there customers? That's my opinion on the subject. If and when Froyo is released it will be on all carriers at the same time
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Lol what gets me is that they complain about the ps3 being hacked what about when the playstayion phone comes out on android? Back to Samsung/Sprint for a hot second though. If samsung can release Froyo on all these other carriers worldwide with the TW interface what's truly stopping them from a US release? Is it the fact that if its ready for one carrier and not the others the others ***** threatening to drop samsung support for there customers? That's my opinion on the subject. If and when Froyo is released it will be on all carriers at the same time
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Yeah they're probably gonna go the moto route and put a blocked bootloader and then drop all support if you root it lol.
But yeah bck to sammy/sprint, I though about that. Until the nexus s came out with gingerbread on tmo.
Same hardware, latest software. So its clearly possible to put the latest software in.
What if its google?
I mean...so far only the nexus s has gingerread, but all the phones at ces blow the pants off the NS and NONE of them were running gingerbread (cept the arc I guess).
I just wish that they would embrace the O in AOSP.
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Yeah they're probably gonna go the moto route and put a blocked bootloader and then drop all support if you root it lol.
But yeah bck to sammy/sprint, I though about that. Until the nexus s came out with gingerbread on tmo.
Same hardware, latest software. So its clearly possible to put the latest software in.
What if its google?
I mean...so far only the nexus s has gingerread, but all the phones at ces blow the pants off the NS and NONE of them were running gingerbread (cept the arc I guess).
I just wish that they would embrace the O in AOSP.
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Very true it could very well be google to promote their "Flagship Device" oddly enough made by Samsung. Which is only available at Best Buy I believe still and not through T-Moblie Corporate (why I don't know). The only reason I don't think that it is Google is the fact that Google has promoted the "O" in AOSP to the fullest if they didn't we wouldn't be on this site with this discussion. Sammy could have struck a deal worth millions with Google to have their device pushed through so quickly. I still have yet to play with one. From what I have heard it's not very sturdy. That's from friends and acquaintances at Best Buy. They recommend the Vibrant over that thing if T-Mobile is your thing.
There is also the issue of phone contracts. So they are not catering to the same exact customers. For example, I am out of the market because I recently purchased the Epic. But, there are other people whose contracts are just ending or will be ending soon. So they constantly need the next new thing out there to entice those folks into paying customers. Video game hardware is different because there are new video games (as opposed to new phones). The games developers make better games over time by learning the hardware. While phone manufacters make better (usually) phones over time.
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There is also the issue of phone contracts. So they are not catering to the same exact customers. For example, I am out of the market because I recently purchased the Epic. But, there are other people whose contracts are just ending or will be ending soon. So they constantly need the next new thing out there to entice those folks into paying customers. Video game hardware is different because there are new video games (as opposed to new phones). The games developers make better games over time by learning the hardware. While phone manufacters make better (usually) phones over time.
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And some games have better resale value than others. Imagine if Game Stop was called Phone Stop and you could trade your old phone in for half the price you paid for it and buy a new one. I think I just had an epiphany lol. That settles it. Who's in with me to start this company lol. We just need $50,000 to start. I take pay-pal too lol
Haha. It's a nice notion. Ebay is the de facto 'phone stop' though. But hey, I have $1 to pitch in for start up money
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Haha. It's a nice notion. Ebay is the de facto 'phone stop' though. But hey, I have $1 to pitch in for start up money
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True Ebay is. You have just shattered my dreams. Crushed my soul. Thanks lol
It may not compare to console gaming, but look at PC gaming which gets "outdated" faster than phones. Sure <insert game> will run marginally better on a high end gaming PC built today compared to 6 months ago, but the same game will play just fine on that 6 month old system.
I bought this phone in particular to future proof myself. The hardware on this thing should be more than efficient enough to handle anything thrown at it software wise until my contract is up for another upgrade.
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It may not compare to console gaming, but look at PC gaming which gets "outdated" faster than phones. Sure <insert game> will run marginally better on a high end gaming PC built today compared to 6 months ago, but the same game will play just fine on that 6 month old system.
I bought this phone in particular to future proof myself. The hardware on this thing should be more than efficient enough to handle anything thrown at it software wise until my contract is up for another upgrade.
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Yeah I will give Sammy that. The Hardware is absolutely unbelievable. I just get angry with all the software upgrades going around to other phones and not the Samsung "Flagship" (other than the Nexus S) device. I mean come on the Intercept has 2.2.
Minecraft Pocket Edition was just released on the Android Market and is only available for the Xperia Play. I for one can't wait for the game, so if you are going to buy it can you please extract the .apk for other handset users? I'd really appreciate it and I'm sure others will too!
Problem is, if someone extracts the APK and shares it here, it would be considered as warez and shot down. No go there.
you should just wait for it to become available for your device.. it will soon..
Damn I forgot about that Oh well, I guess I can wait. I wish it was free since I bought the full game for PC. Thanks for your help!
Thanks for the up that it have been released!
*game bought*
It should've be free for those who bought the game on PC.
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It should've be free for those who bought the game on PC.
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Why do people keep saying that?? i should get this free cause i bought it from PSN, or pc blah blah blah, do you think the xbox 360 version should be free too lol
every time i see this guy post, he's always trying to be a hero.. well, name says it all..
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Why do people keep saying that?? i should get this free cause i bought it from PSN, or pc blah blah blah, do you think the xbox 360 version should be free too lol
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Yes, people who buy old games which have been amorticized more times than man can count should not be forced to pay YET ANOTHER TIME for the same content. It's what we call added-value. If you wish to pay time and time again for the same game, you're free to write a cheque to the company you want.
If it were for people like you, we'd have to pay for a song everytime we wish to listen to it in a different place: In the car, in the stereo player, In the MP3 player... Again, write cheques to those guys if you want, but let us consumers look for the best value, and demand the best conditions for our money.
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Yes, people who buy old games which have been amorticized more times than man can count should not be forced to pay YET ANOTHER TIME for the same content. It's what we call added-value. If you wish to pay time and time again for the same game, you're free to write a cheque to the company you want.
If it were for people like you, we'd have to pay for a song everytime we wish to listen to it in a different place: In the car, in the stereo player, In the MP3 player... Again, write cheques to those guys if you want, but let us consumers look for the best value, and demand the best conditions for our money.
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Nah thats rubbish, If i buy a GFWL, i can chat with my xbox live friends, get xbox live achevievements, and sometimes even play with other xbox live users, But i dont expect to be able to play the game on my xbox, cause i bought it for a diffrent format/platform.
Do you think people that make the emulators and games for sony ericsson do it for free?? so you think sony should pay for people to port a game for you just because at one point you bought the game for a few pounds off PSN?? that isnt the way the world works
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every time i see this guy post, he's always trying to be a hero.. well, name says it all..
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I'd rather be one of them, than a troll making snide comments for no reason
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Nah thats rubbish, If i buy a GFWL, i can chat with my xbox live friends, get xbox live achevievements, and sometimes even play with other xbox live users, But i dont expect to be able to play the game on my xbox, cause i bought it for a diffrent format/platform.
Do you think people that make the emulators and games for sony ericsson do it for free?? so you think sony should pay for people to port a game for you just because at one point you bought the game for a few pounds off PSN?? that isnt the way the world works
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The people who don't make the emulators for Sony Ericsson do it for free (desktop emulators like EPSXE or PCSX) or for little cash (FPSE, which costs the same as ONE game by Sony Ericsson). Plus, the content, as I said, is amorticized from dozens to millions of times. If the world works with Sony screwing up consumers it's because of consumers like you who like to be screwed. Sony will only do as much as we let them get away with. If consumers like you start to educate themselves (a hardly possible task) and/or get replaced with conscious consumers, we'll get no more killing OtherOS, no more killing retrocompatibility, and no more multiple-cash-ins for the same content. However, as long as people like you say that it rains when they're pissing on us, certainly Sony will keep malarkeying us.
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The people who don't make the emulators for Sony Ericsson do it for free (desktop emulators like EPSXE or PCSX) or for little cash (FPSE, which costs the same as ONE game by Sony Ericsson). Plus, the content, as I said, is amorticized from dozens to millions of times. If the world works with Sony screwing up consumers it's because of consumers like you who like to be screwed. Sony will only do as much as we let them get away with. If consumers like you start to educate themselves (a hardly possible task) and/or get replaced with conscious consumers, we'll get no more killing OtherOS, no more killing retrocompatibility, and no more multiple-cash-ins for the same content. However, as long as people like you say that it rains when they're pissing on us, certainly Sony will keep malarkeying us.
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Wow To be honest I spend more than the price of a PS suite game on my lunch, so it's not a big deal to me Obviously your opinion differs, and i respect that so i'm not going to get into a slanging match with you, no matter how pedantic you act.
You certainly do not respect my different opinion, or you would not call me pedantic. Anyways, I'm kind of seasoned in this kind of argument exchanges, and when I see that the other person has lowered the level of his/her discourse to insulting me or other people, I know that it means something.
Enjoy your afternoon
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You certainly do not respect my different opinion, or you would not call me pedantic. Anyways, I'm kind of seasoned in this kind of argument exchanges, and when I see that the other person has lowered the level of his/her discourse to insulting me or other people, I know that it means something.
Enjoy your afternoon
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Urgh! Get over yourself Logseman, your whole last post was one big insult towards me. Just because i dont expect everything for free. I work for my money and if someone provides me with a service or product, i do not mind paying them for there work either.
What about extracting the APK of the free demo?
market.android.com/details?id=com.mojang.minecraftpe.demo
Androhero stop it! You are just arguing and being off-topic, we don't need that.
Edit: @OP, here's the free demo version: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.mojang.minecraftpe.demo&feature=search_result
I cant download demo to my transformer. So meaby someone can post there .apk
Seconded. Even if it won't work, I want it for... certain experiments I want to carry out.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_loses_50m_in_q2_japan_disaster_to_blame-news-2891.php
While companies like Samsung, Apple, HTC and LG are making lots of money, SE, with the ultimate XPlay still loses money and can't make it on top.
Why? This phone should've been selled like hot bread, it should've been as popular as the PSP or iPhone, it had and has so much advertisements, it's now on Minecraft site's front page, page visited by thousands of people.
With this sad news, they could leave the mobile industry in a few years...
I really don't understand.
As long as the community is alive, it's not took bad... (for us)
It sux that SONU ERIcson can't make money.. Not sure what they can do..
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From the Article:
"This means that everything should be fine in Q3 and Sony Ericsson should be back in the black when the next report comes out."
As it also says, the earthquake had a huge impact on them, and this is after 5 consecutive quarters of profit. Wouldn't worry too much.
Earthquake in Q1 delaying the delivery of phones to all regions till start of Q3... No big surprise there.
However they should be fine soon.
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http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericsson_loses_50m_in_q2_japan_disaster_to_blame-news-2891.php
While companies like Samsung, Apple, HTC and LG are making lots of money, SE, with the ultimate XPlay still loses money and can't make it on top.
Why? This phone should've been selled like hot bread, it should've been as popular as the PSP or iPhone, it had and has so much advertisements, it's now on Minecraft site's front page, page visited by thousands of people.
With this sad news, they could leave the mobile industry in a few years...
I really don't understand.
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I think they should have pushed the play more in the united states. I only saw 2 commercials and that was after the phone was already out in the market for a couple of months.
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Yeah, maybe in Q3 they would have more profit, but just enough to cover that -50 mil.
The advertising campaigns in south america have been a real success. Most tweets in Spanish about the play are comments about them...
Also releasing it at the same time that they announced the Vita may be part of it. I know people who didn’t get one because the Vita is coming and this thing only plays PSX (And not many if you done use and emulator) and phone games. I was hoping for games designed with the play in mind and not just phone updated for the plays controls. This doesn’t work if not done right. A lot (not all) of people don’t like how they made the controls for all the good Gameloft and EA games.
It is not what I expected for sure. (But I still love it)
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I think they should have pushed the play more in the united states. I only saw 2 commercials and that was after the phone was already out in the market for a couple of months.
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I have seen many in Canada. I watch a lot of Game related channels like G4TV.
I also agree with the other guys that say it will turn around soon.
Lack of mainstream games is the reason SEXPlay isnt doing as well as it should be.
I only bought the phone for emulation so I am happy whatever games do or do not get released for it.
However, I've read that 75% of Xperia Play owners have bought compatible paid games. That means that a niche is there.
Cant argue with that. I myself have bought most Gameloft games. Currently bought and loving Reckless Racing too
New Jrioni update has made Mame totally awesome aswell.
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Cant argue with that. I myself have bought most Gameloft games. Currently bought and loving Reckless Racing too
New Jrioni update has made Mame totally awesome aswell.
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I bought the gameloft's all or almost all but mostly because they wete on offers like a pound each and some at three pounds but buy one get one free.
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I have bought HEAPS of games and i don't usually do that for a phone.
I am pretty sure SE was losing this amount every year without having any of these droid phones but sales have picked up remarkably since they bought into android.
Sony has always threatened closing down their mobile arm but these figures aren't really anything alarming seeing that some regions are just getting the phone now and with the price drop more units are flying off the shelf.
I got all my gameloft games for free from underground community here, b'coz in our poor country, gameloft games are priced too high.. One gameloft game egual to a cost of my lunch + dinner here, sometimes even equal to breakfast + lunch + dinner
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However, I've read that 75% of Xperia Play owners have bought compatible paid games. That means that a niche is there.
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I have purchased a few.
I have also spent $Hundreds in iOS Games. The only thing keeping me from spending more on the Play is lack of memory. I don’t want to spend $70+ on a bigger SD card. The 16GB one cost me over $30.
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I got all my gameloft games for free from underground community here, b'coz in our poor country, gameloft games are priced too high.. One gameloft game egual to a cost of my lunch + dinner here, sometimes even equal to breakfast + lunch + dinner
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You can buy a $500+ phone but can’t spend $5-$10 for a game?
Not cool dude.
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I got all my gameloft games for free from underground community here, b'coz in our poor country, gameloft games are priced too high.. One gameloft game egual to a cost of my lunch + dinner here, sometimes even equal to breakfast + lunch + dinner
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poor country lol. That is no excuse.
In NZ and AU we pay 6 - 8 dollars per game and I also can get a cheap breakfast/lunch for that price.
Also rather annoying because the AUD is as strong as the USD yet we pay more.
Either way that is no excuse for pirating... You are essentially saying "I should get things free because I can't afford it" and you may as well walk into a Games store, take a game off the shelf and put it in your pocket and walk out, if you have that logic.
Also rather annoying because the AUD is as strong as the USD yet we pay more.
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The same here in Canada.
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I got all my gameloft games for free from underground community here, b'coz in our poor country, gameloft games are priced too high.. One gameloft game egual to a cost of my lunch + dinner here, sometimes even equal to breakfast + lunch + dinner
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The same here in Canada.
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Atleast they got the sh1t version of the Xperia Play with a terrible provider
I remember the day I got my Xperia Play months back and thinking how many bugs and issues it had, it was a great device let down by buggy SE software.
Fast forward a few months to the latest SE update and the change is like night and day, it really is like using a new device!, fast, snappy, more features, fast booting, I really am happy with the support SE has been putting into the Play post launch.
Add to this the recent surge in Android Development here at XDA with CM7, DoomKernal, PSXperia, Overclocking, Recovery, Bootloader unlocking etc and it really is looking good for us Play owners!
And the games/Development support?
Since E3 and Gamesconn the Play has been going from strength to strength, lots of great new games from major developers such as Minecraft, Dead Space, Reckless Getaway, Need For Speed, Fifa and lots more still planned.
A few months ago the future wasn't looking that good for the Play, this has all changed thanks to the continued SE support, development support and the modding/hacking scene on XDA! I was very close to selling my device but now I honestly feel like this is the best phone out there specially for gaming, I will be keeping it well into next year now!
Everyone deserves a pat on the back for making the Play a success against all odds! lets make a toast!
What do you think?
I was skeptical about SE's ability to properly support their handsets due to the bad stories from 2010 but it really seems that they want to change their behavior now in 2011.
I bought my Xperia Play yesterday, being confident after seeing the same improvements that you mentioned.
I never lost faith in the device
onward and upwards
patience is virtue... And so on....
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Given the terrible records of Sony's support (e-readers in particular, PSN scandal, and so on) I'm surprised about the good job they're doing with the Play. And yes, Sony Ericsson is a division of Sony, so I consider them one and the same.
Its a good device.But for that kind of price i did expect a FEW better feautures (5MP HD atleast...or a HDMI port for all carriers)BUt its ok..i guess i'll without since the only thing i need is PSOne GAMES on a PORTABLE DEVICE DD
Which carriers have the HDMI out on Xperia Play...
Also USA totally got the best deal of the lot... Isn't it like $100 or $200 dollars on Verizon where is here in AU/NZ it is around 8 - 900 US.
I suppose we get the added bonus of:
-great customer service
-not being locked to any network
-not being on CDMA
-Updates on time
-Not having a branded phone
-Sony Ericsson actually answers our questions.
And I got my Xperia Play for free... So no complaints.
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Which carriers have the HDMI out on Xperia Play...
Also USA totally got the best deal of the lot... Isn't it like $100 or $200 dollars on Verizon where is here in AU/NZ it is around 8 - 900 US.
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Its $99 with a 2 year contract on Verizon. Theres a couple little caveats one being that its still running 2.3.2 and Verizon is slow as crap to update. The other is they totally stripped the phone of SE's UI features and broke the facebook connectivity as well (remedied by downloading Fsync from Watto). So a lot of the cool stuff that it does besides gaming doesn't work and won't be available on Verizon unless you root it.
That said all the gaming features are there, and the games play perfect, so in the end its good enough and totally worth the price. The one thing about Verizon as well is it is by far the most reliable cell service in the US, so for the most basic feature that is most important, it always works.
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Which carriers have the HDMI out on Xperia Play...
Also USA totally got the best deal of the lot... Isn't it like $100 or $200 dollars on Verizon where is here in AU/NZ it is around 8 - 900 US.
I suppose we get the added bonus of:
-great customer service
-not being locked to any network
-not being on CDMA
-Updates on time
-Not having a branded phone
-Sony Ericsson actually answers our questions.
And I got my Xperia Play for free... So no complaints.
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I don't know about the US getting the best deal in my opinion, over here in the uk recent price drops let me pick up a xplay sim free for £260 from Expansys, personally I am willing to pay a bit more for being carrier free (plus at the moment no carrier over here are offering good contracts with the phone, ie. it actually works out cheaper to buy a sim free xplay and a sim only contract.).
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Its $99 with a 2 year contract on Verizon. Theres a couple little caveats one being that its still running 2.3.2 and Verizon is slow as crap to update. The other is they totally stripped the phone of SE's UI features and broke the facebook connectivity as well (remedied by downloading Fsync from Watto). So a lot of the cool stuff that it does besides gaming doesn't work and won't be available on Verizon unless you root it.
That said all the gaming features are there, and the games play perfect, so in the end its good enough and totally worth the price. The one thing about Verizon as well is it is by far the most reliable cell service in the US, so for the most basic feature that is most important, it always works.
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I really like how the Verizon Play shipped without most of SE's UI. IMHO I think it makes it run faster and comes with less bloat than normal.
Now that we have root I have removed or frozen almost all of my unwanted processes and apps, leaving me with a close to vanilla version of Android with Xplay Launcher and store support.
If we are able to get a kernel to O/C CDMA stock, I would consider this the best "rom" out there for the Play
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I don't know about the US getting the best deal in my opinion, over here in the uk recent price drops let me pick up a xplay sim free for £260 from Expansys, personally I am willing to pay a bit more for being carrier free (plus at the moment no carrier over here are offering good contracts with the phone, ie. it actually works out cheaper to buy a sim free xplay and a sim only contract.).
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I got my play. The week it came out. BNIB for £300 on ebay I was quite impressed
I agree; development on the Xperia Play is picking up, I didn't expect this phone to receive a lot of community/hacking attention because I thought it was supposed to target a very specific group of people, turns out I was wrong.
In Singapore now you can get the phone for free with a 2 year S$36 plan. That includes 12GB of data (never will you finish using). I bought it for $238 with plan 2 months ago *cries*
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I really like how the Verizon Play shipped without most of SE's UI. IMHO I think it makes it run faster and comes with less bloat than normal.
Now that we have root I have removed or frozen almost all of my unwanted processes and apps, leaving me with a close to vanilla version of Android with Xplay Launcher and store support.
If we are able to get a kernel to O/C CDMA stock, I would consider this the best "rom" out there for the Play
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It probably does run faster but from what I hear the SE UI stuff actually doesn't sound bad. Plus theres new updates like xLoud and DLNA connectivity that we probably won't get. Just bothers me that I don't have a choice on it, if I didn't want choice I'd buy an iPhone .
I totally agree. When I first got the phone, just getting root access was a huge deal. Just a couple months later I have full fledged bootloader unlock, custom kernel, latest SE firmware and the choice of putting Cyanogenmod on there.
If Blagus manages to get sense working I'll pee myself
Definitely a great phone!
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It probably does run faster but from what I hear the SE UI stuff actually doesn't sound bad. Plus theres new updates like xLoud and DLNA connectivity that we probably won't get. Just bothers me that I don't have a choice on it, if I didn't want choice I'd buy an iPhone .
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Word is steve jobbs quit apple because he had a nervous breakdown. Everytime he googled ipad or ipad2. It came up with the HP Touchpad for $99
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Word is steve jobbs quit apple because he had a nervous breakdown. Everytime he googled ipad or ipad2. It came up with the HP Touchpad for $99
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Lmao, Joke about him all you can now.He'll be dead and forgotten soon.He really doesn't look well.
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I paid 100 CAD for it with a contract. Rogers had it for $50 recently with a three year term. Best phone I've ever had, with the exception of my ultra reliable Nokia 6126. That phone was the bomb when it was still new.
Things just keep improving with the play. Very large contrast compared to my last SE phone years ago, which was a total piece of garbage and wouldn't even make calls properly brand new (I went through 3 replacements)
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Deoxlar said:
He'll be dead and forgotten soon.
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Don't be a pratt,
How is one of the most successful CEO's of recent times going to be forgotton even when he has gone? he will be remembered for many good things.
This isn't about android vs ios, put that to one side for a moment.
Hate him or love him he changed the whole mobile device market for the better, without ios/iphone there would not have been the huge shift in design and competition of smartphones, before the iphone the smartphone wasn't doing well, without ios/iphone there would be no android, no ios, no windows mobile 7, instead we would still be using our basic nokias and moto's!
You think back to 2007 before the iphone announcement, the range of "smartphones" out was a joke, I had a Nokia N95 which was considered one of the best and compared to todays devices it is a very basic smartphone.
Now think forward to six months after the release of the iphone, EVERY smartphone company totally shifted design to try and compete with the iphone, this is how it all started for the better, now look at today, we have amazing devices with a huge choice, Android devices are so smart and advanced, it's amazing to think about how those 4 years have made todays devices possible!
The same is happening with tablets.
But yeah, I have been following his condition on Neogaf and it seems like it could be anyday now
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Don't be a pratt,
How is one of the most successful CEO's of recent times going to be forgotton even when he has gone? he will be remembered for many good things.
This isn't about android vs ios, put that to one side for a moment.
Hate him or love him he changed the whole mobile device market for the better, without ios/iphone there would not have been the huge shift in design and competition of smartphones, before the iphone the smartphone wasn't doing well, without ios/iphone there would be no android, no ios, no windows mobile 7, instead we would still be using our basic nokias and moto's!
You think back to 2007 before the iphone announcement, the range of "smartphones" out was a joke, I had a Nokia N95 which was considered one of the best and compared to todays devices it is a very basic smartphone.
Now think forward to six months after the release of the iphone, EVERY smartphone company totally shifted design to try and compete with the iphone, this is how it all started for the better, now look at today, we have amazing devices with a huge choice, Android devices are so smart and advanced, it's amazing to think about how those 4 years have made todays devices possible!
The same is happening with tablets.
But yeah, I have been following his condition on Neogaf and it seems like it could be anyday now
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I like how you totally went off on a tangent instead of sticking to the original topic.
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I like how you totally went off on a tangent instead of sticking to the original topic.
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Dont forget he also invented the human centi-pad
Steve Jobs won't give you the time of day if you ask him. Why are people mourning him 1) before he's dead and 2) as though he was Mother Theresa?
Just found this. Sony would be stupid to do this. I understand their reasons. But still think its suicide commercially
http://feeds.itproportal.com/~r/itproportal/rss/~3/oDe_Wkfa2qQ/
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I thought they only patented the tech? Not that they were going to implement it
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I don't think they will do this because there was this scare on the ps3 release when people said that the ps3 "engraves" the game disk with a kind of encryption so only that ps3 can read it but Sony did not do that so I dont think they will do this
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They created the tech and are patenting it thats all this is, because if they don't someone else will.
There were rumors of this last year, and HUGE public backlash to the point they released a statement saying they would not do it.
If I can't play preowned games on a Playstation 4, F*****uck Sony, I'm serious if I can't play preowned games I will be looking towards Microsoft.
Sony could have had an extra marketing tool by letting people play ps2 games on the original fat ps3's. But they took that away and disabled any such feature. IMO I hope Sony steps back from their gaming console and see that they're murdering it.
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If I can't play preowned games on a Playstation 4, F*****uck Sony, I'm serious if I can't play preowned games I will be looking towards Microsoft.
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Microsoft wants the exact samething.
If this is true then I whole heartedly support it. Game devs make nothing from pre owned sales. You like a particular dev then buy their games brand new
Simple as
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If this is true then I whole heartedly support it. Game devs make nothing from pre owned sales. You like a particular dev then buy their games brand new
Simple as
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But this would also prevent you taking a game over to a friend's house or lending a game. Furthermore, people trade in games in order to buy new games often but this would also prevent that
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But this would also prevent you taking a game over to a friend's house or lending a game. Furthermore, people trade in games in order to buy new games often but this would also prevent that
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It's a necessary trade off
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Been this way on the PC for years due to single use codes. No-one will trade in PC games, hence why Steam has become so prolific.
The flipside of this could be that because game devs/publishers would be making more profit from sales, retail prices could drop to similar levels as PC games. The price of console games is the specific reason my Xbox is just a media centre and my pc is for gaming!!
i hope they do not implement it, and the patent will prevent other to try to implement it
And again... already been confirmed that while they have patented this, they are NOT going to implement it.
BTW if you research the PS3 you'll find that 2-3 versions of the original fat PS3 had PS2 backward compatibility. They worked on it for a while and found a couple problems. First was that not all PS2 games would work. Second was it was adding a huge amount to the cost. People were complaining about how much it cost (and not buying it), and people were complaining and even returning systems because all their PS2 games wouldn't play. They did the smartest thing, cut the R&D expenses and hardware expenses of continuing to develop a dead platform, lowering the price, and eliminating consumer expectation of every game working. Its called business
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And again... already been confirmed that while they have patented this, they are NOT going to implement it.
BTW if you research the PS3 you'll find that 2-3 versions of the original fat PS3 had PS2 backward compatibility. They worked on it for a while and found a couple problems. First was that not all PS2 games would work. Second was it was adding a huge amount to the cost. People were complaining about how much it cost (and not buying it), and people were complaining and even returning systems because all their PS2 games wouldn't play. They did the smartest thing, cut the R&D expenses and hardware expenses of continuing to develop a dead platform, lowering the price, and eliminating consumer expectation of every game working. Its called business
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I did look a little into it and Rogue Leader is correct, they have patented it. And in regards to the PS2 compatibility why do we t hink the PS2 is still around, at least until the current supplies are in stock... been confirmed EOL for PS2.
Thats probably why thge PS2 12 years later is still around as PS2 compatibility was dropped from PS3.
So with that in mind I guess this particular thread can be close as theres no need in keeping a thread open that would just confuse people...... unless of course $ony does decide to use this patent, but again it doesnt look like it, thye simply patented it.
What you guys seem to be forgetting is that sony is a business. Not your intimate family member. If you owned a company, profit would be one of your highest priorities if you were in Sony's position. Secondly, just because they applied for a patent does not mean they are going to use it. The ps3 and the xbox 360 currently have the functionality to block the use of pre-owned games, they aren't. Publishers are already making you buy "online passes" if you buy pre-owned games and want to play them online, this could be what Sony was going for. There have been rumours of microsoft also looking into a similar system. But wait, lets not bash the messengers, you also have to consider third part developers. They're more than likely pressuring Sony+Microsoft as they also don't recieve anything from pre-owned purchases. Now, please stop with the hate.
EDIT- Some of the points have already been made in this thread.