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Today I got thrown out of a T-Mobile Store for dissin the Iphone4

No useful info in this, but just a story that me and my friend found so funny, I thought I would post it.
So my Apple fanboy friend Colin decided to go and pick up the iPhone4 today. He knows how I feel about Android, and hes also admitted that after seeing all the features of my Nexus One that he has no doubt that Android is dominant over Apples OS. But he still decided to get one, as hes one of those “I just need an iPhone cause its an iPhone “ people. No problem. So I go to T-Mobile with him to watch him seal his fate and sell his soul to Steve Jobs.
We walk in the store and ask for an iPhone 4 to play with, and since there wasn’t one on display (guess people steal them) they said we can play with the model they have open to the public if we do it in the presence of one of the T-Mobile employees. Again, no problem.
So the lady comes up and pulls the glorified app launcher out of her pocket and hands it to him. He starts to play with it and asks me “does your Nexus One have a larger display?”. I pull it out and lay it down next to the “can only hold me with a certain hand and in a certain manner if you want me to even half ass work” device. Now keep in mind, Im American and my friend is British, but we both live in Berlin, Germany. When I lay my phone down next to the iFLOPPED, she says in German “oh you cant even compare the iPhone to any Android phone. It s just on another level”. I smile, as I can speak German, but I didn’t want to take on a salesman with my half ass broken German. I just smile and he asks if she speaks English. Then then replies in perfectly spoken English “why yes, I lived in the UK for many years”. I almost got an erection….
So I nicely ask her…”when you said its on another level, could you give me an example how”? She replies “ where do I start? Firstly, the camera is great. It has a 5mp camera that’s much better than the 3GS model”. I say “So does mine”. She then says “ It shoots video in very high quality 720p”. I replied “um..yeah so does mine” (who cares if a hack did it..it still does ) She then says “Something that’s also been added is that the phone can now multitask with all the apps you want in the background. I replied “um, no it cant". I then said (thank God I had Quickdesk installed) “what it can do is have specified applications that can be chosen to run in parallel to one another, like this” ( I then used quickdesk to show EXACTLY what the iPhones “multitasking looks like and does). I then said, “true multitasking can do this…” I then loaded up my SNES emulator, booted Donkey Kong Country, started playing, then turned on Eminems new Recovery album and had it running in the background, turned on Fring and left it running in the background, and then went to Google Talk and messaged my friend Rene that I would swing by his house later and went back to the game, right on the level I left it. Thankfully, my Enomther rooted Nexus didn’t skip a beat.
So at this point, she starts to get upset. Colin is chuckling to himself but is a bit embarrassed. He then asks “so how much can I buy it for without a contract”? She says “you cant actually buy the phone without a contract right now”. I say “that’s strange. My phone is 6 months old, has done everything that you claim only your iPhone can do, and I got it for 400 euros NEW WITHOUT CONTRACT” (eBay auction sniped in the last 15 seconds ) . After adding up the insane amount of money he would have to pay for the iPhone in the end if he renewed his contract, he put the phone down and just said “hmm..”.
So now shes getting VERY upset. Not only have I just proven her to be a salesman who doesnt know **** about Android OR the iPhones OS, she asks impatiently “so did you want to upgrade?” I then playfully say “yeah Colin. After the way the iPhone just pretty much owned my Nexus with everything she just said, youd be dumb not to buy it right”? She then took the iPhone, walked over to her manager and talked to him for like 2 minutes. They both came back and the manager says “Im sorry sir, but we re going to have to ask you to leave the store. If your friend wishes to upgrade, you will need to wait outside. Colin then says “its ok..I think I wanna have a think about it before I upgrade”. I say thank you to the manager and that “im sorry if I made anyone upset. I just wanted to defend my phone agains the comment the lady said about it earlier”. We then walked out, and Colin starts BUSTING out laughing. But the GREATEST thing is that 30 minutes later, we walked into Vodafone, and we walked out 20 minutes later….with his brand new Nexus One (and hes LOVING it).
Now, if she would have known her stuff, she could have said “it has a front facing camera, higher screen resolution, ect (which I could have still countered with “useless if your friends don’t all have smartphones, blah blah). But she didn’t. Sorry, but I work as a marketing manager and did sales before. So if your gonna attack something Im passionate about, you better know your stuff.
Whats the moral of this story? Simple. If your gonna be an Apple fanboy..fine. But if you want to enter a debate with an Android user, KNOW YOUR STUFF, because we certainly do. (thanks to the awesome and intelligent as FOOK Android community)
Just thought you guys might find that story as funny as we did.
Edit: BTW, I dont encourage making anyone lose a sale at ANY type of store. What I did was self defense, not provocation.

Do you mean ATT? Anyway good story.
Oops, must have missed the UK part in my initial read through.

Blueman101 said:
Do you mean ATT? Anyway good story.
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Nah...ATT is U.S only. Only T-Mobile sells the iPhone4 over here in Germany, and only Vodafone has the Nexus One.

Of course they don't give a crap about phones like a geek does. All she wants is to make the commission off of the sale. It's her job, not a hobby like it is for people like us. So of course they will kick you out if You interfere with their business making money.

RogerPodacter said:
Of course they don't give a crap about phones like a geek does. All she wants is to make the commission off of the sale. It's her job, not a hobby like it is for people like us. So of course they will kick you out if You interfere with their business making money.
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WRONG. First rules of sales are "ABC" (always be a closer) and KNOW YOUR PRODUCT LIKE THE BACK OF YOUR HAND. She didnt, and at the same time SHE DOGGED MY PHONE. Thats the ONLY reason I said anything. If she would have known her product like she should, firstly she wouldnt have tried to sneak a low blow on my Nexus, and more importantly she would have had ALOT more features she could have named to defend their most popular product.
Edit: And the fact that I like to know what I pay damn near 550 U.S dollars for doesnt make me a geek. I like to know what I invest my money in, and at the same time I like to know the competition and the alternatives

I didn't know people actually did that irl.

JCopernicus said:
I didn't know people actually did that irl.
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Didnt actually do what exactly? Argue with a salesman?

I guess she's used to people who want the iPhone to be the types that are just dazzled by the design and taken in by the marketing.
Still, your mate made the right choice in the end

you sounded like a douche there

walie said:
you sounded like a douche there
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Heh. Agreed!

Dude all she wanted to do was make the commission money. The iPhone has one of the higher commission for the sales person out of any other phone. To her its just some stupid job that pays her bills, not some smartphone war between geeks.

Dai323 said:
Didnt actually do what exactly? Argue with a salesman?
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I didn't realized there were volunteer spokepeople for products, let alone get into it with a salesperson trying to earn a buck.

Yeah, she wants to make a commission, so what? His friend wanted to get a value for money smartphone. He probably wouldn't have if you were there.

If I were the sales person I'd say something like "I don't go to your job and knock the d!cks out of your mouth!"

Look everyone... the OP has a point. She should have done her homework instead of B.S.'ing his friend "to make a buck". Since she didn't... a Vodaphone salesperson made a buck instead. That's capitalism.
OP, I don't think you were a douche... you didn't whip out your phone until your friend asked about screen size, and you didn't really diss the iPhone so much as you simply pointed out that your 6 month old N1 could do the same. You're fine...don't listen to these guys.

i dont get what everybody's deal is, "trying to make a buck". Know your god damn product and sell it well. its not like he did it to be a ****. she asked.

Nice story, the sales person should know their product, especially if they attack another product. If you're going to make statements back them up. Oh and if I was you're friend who just witness you being asked to leave the store, I would just politely say that I wouldn't buy the phone from this store anymore and that it was bad customer service.

She should say that the iPhone 4 can drop calls on command. That's one thing no Android phone will ever be able to do.

That's a story I know too well. I know what I want and no salesrep has so far been able to sell me something. Even when I WANT to be convinced that buying the phone I want is a smart choise, they still can't win over my more sensible side
And this being an iPhone only makes the story more entertaining :-D
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chronopc said:
She should say that the iPhone 4 can drop calls on command. That's one thing no Android phone will ever be able to do.
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Damn, they got us there...

Absolving myself of Android "Sin"

So yea...I HAD pirated apps on my phone up until today...where I went through the market and paid for all of them
I figure better late than never....
as a huge Android supporter I felt wrong robbing the devs of well earned money while at the same time advocating for better app quality.
So to all devs...I apologize for my piracy and yea, I really hope this Android licensing trumps pirating apps or at least slows it to a barely perceivable crawl.
To other pirates...pay for your apps...it's a good feeling.

AbsoluteDesignz said:
So yea...I HAD pirated apps on my phone up until today...where I went through the market and paid for all of them
I figure better late than never....
as a huge Android supporter I felt wrong robbing the devs of well earned money while at the same time advocating for better app quality.
So to all devs...I apologize for my piracy and yea, I really hope this Android licensing trumps pirating apps or at least slows it to a barely perceivable crawl.
To other pirates...pay for your apps...it's a good feeling.
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nice to hear that

I had my "revelation" about a year ago... with music, movies, android apps... everything. I just "grew-up" and realized I was not entitled to these things for free.

xombe said:
I had my "revelation" about a year ago... with music, movies, android apps... everything. I just "grew-up" and realized I was not entitled to these things for free.
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I partially agree. I think CD's are ridiculously overpriced... so I stick to the radio or internet radio. Pandora makes up for CD's.

Glad to hear it, OP!
The only "pirated" apps I use are free ones that aren't available in the market anymore, for various reasons. There's a clock widget that was removed, for example.
I have lots of other apps, all paid.
They're cheap enough, so I don't mind, and I have no problem paying for quality applications to support the developers. I'm happy to do so.
Regarding music (though it's off-topic). I don't go out of my way to listen to music much these days, but when I do, if it's a band/artist I like, I happily buy their albums, even though the record labels are getting most of the money; the musician gets a small fraction of it.
DISTURBED, FOR EXAMPLE... as you can see in my avatar, I'm a huge fan. I already bought one of the singles from Amazon, and the other they gave away for free. Will be buying their album when it's released on August 31 in the US.

uansari1 said:
I partially agree. I think CD's are ridiculously overpriced... so I stick to the radio or internet radio. Pandora makes up for CD's.
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As a side note, if you really want to support the band, buy merch. Bands make pennies off of each album they sell, but they make a lot more money if you buy a mug or t-shirt, etc. Obviously, I can't advocate piracy for the album itself, but the RIAA are a bunch of dicks anyway so who cares, eh?

MaximReapage said:
As a side note, if you really want to support the band, buy merch. Bands make pennies off of each album they sell, but they make a lot more money if you buy a mug or t-shirt, etc.
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This. And go to the concerts.

Ill admit on one my accounts I have a mix of both, and I would pay for them if my google checkout on the account I use wasn't blocked :/ so cant buy from the marketplace

Netflix coming to snapdragon phones

Here

Yay for EVO's everywhere!

Pretty cool.....gadgets galore!!!!!

You know who I wish had a streaming app? The redbox. If you arent familiar with it its like a big red box they sit out in certain stores, mostly walmarts and walgreens here to where you can rent movies for $1. The releases come out wayyyyyy sooner than Netflix gets them.

redbox is ok, i prefer netflix. can't wait for this. i'm surprised someone hasn't hacked an iphone port over yet. (although they might have, i've had my evo for 4 days )

I believe Netflix is keeping people from driving under the influence. Redbox doesn't have seasons of TV shows either. but i do go to redbox for the new releases

Can't wait!
I personally go to redbox for new releases, netflix streaming for odd movies and tv shows, and blockboster if I want to watch an old movie.
I still can't believe blockbuster is even in business. I think it's 4.99 to rent a dvd.

Don't hold your breath folks. Like the Verizon Skype or NFL apps, it's probably going to be carrier specific. Because why make a good product available to everyone, when you can nickel and dime them for features?

never really stopped us before has it

drmacinyasha said:
Don't hold your breath folks. Like the Verizon Skype or NFL apps, it's probably going to be carrier specific. Because why make a good product available to everyone, when you can nickel and dime them for features?
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To me thats poor marketing. The I phone for instance was only at at&t it sold alot there but now apple is taking it to verizon too and its gonna double their sales. Why hold something thats capable of making goo bud money to one source. Its great for the people selling the product but the producer is crippling their self. I can understand testing the waters before you dive in so I guess I just made no sense. Lol. Everyone may be dumber for reading this post and I apologize.

shdwboy said:
To me thats poor marketing. The I phone for instance was only at at&t it sold alot there but now apple is taking it to verizon too and its gonna double their sales. Why hold something thats capable of making goo bud money to one source. Its great for the people selling the product but the producer is crippling their self. I can understand testing the waters before you dive in so I guess I just made no sense. Lol. Everyone may be dumber for reading this post and I apologize.
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While common sense says it's bad, the big media companies are all retarded and do this. It's the same reason you have DRM on media and games, why you have to wait a month to get movies through Netflix or Redbox, why Netflix's online selection is smaller than their DVD selection, and so on.
You might want to read TechDirt for more info.

Netflix would be good, right now I have hulu getting me by.
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Geohot to jailbreak Xperia Play

Ok, guys...you heard me right!!! George Hotz (aka Geohot) has said in his blog (http://geohot.com/) that he has every intention to get his hands on the Xperia Play so we all have a jailbroken PSP phone!! I hope this means that with the help from Geohot we will have what we need to get out X10's bootloader cracked.
Here's the quote:
I will be the first person in line on the launch date of the Xperia Play, and itching to get my hands on the Next GEOHOT Project.

You mean root, not jailbreak

He doesn't even mean rooting he means cracking the bootloader... Lol this site makes me laugh fairly frequently.

I do mean root, but Geohot always calls his work "jailbreak" so that's what it will be called....and from what I can tell, he will not stop at rooting when the bootloader also needs cracking. So really, this would go beyond just root access if he's also cracking the bootloader.
He also rooted the PS3, but search for 'PS3 root' and 'PS2 jailbreak' and see which returns more results.

Awesome.! But wait..... oh yeah... x10 is just old and im getting a new phone next month...

lol i suggested he do this.....have the email in my sentbox and everything (a few weeks ago)

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Less than a year for a phone is old? Maybe for consumer sheep.. No wonder the world is in the state it is, we allow ourselves to be raped and pillaged by capitalist greed, and instead of focusing on what is really going on, we worry about getting a new model phone every 8 or 9 months..

lightyear420 said:
Good for you....you're getting a new phone....you want a cookie???
No need to be a turd about it lol
And have fun wasting over $700 on an X10 with a .3" bigger screen and smaller internal storage....lmfao
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Rich and fancy boys can spend a lot of money in anything, no matter if that's a good or bad product, just because is new and they wanna be "in fashion" with the latest stuff in the market
Back to the topic... Those are good news. And when Geohot says "jailbreaking" I think he means to actually crack the bootloader.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/02/21/geohot-to-hack-xperia-play-following-ps3-jailbreaking/

Any news if he will crack the x10 bootloader?
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You know, I have been wondering this for a little bit. How do you think Sony will implement the playstation integration into the play? If it is just an app, like a psp emulator (seems too simple to be the case) then would there be a chance to port and mod it (to accept touchscreen input instead of hardware input)?
It may be possible to get playstation open to all android devices, I would love to see that.

I sort of expected to find an android app that would allow you to connect to ps3 in SOME way, but I haven't seen anything other than the crappy PSN app...no unofficial apps even (except for ps3brew)

Geohot is a freaking loser.

hmmm well cause of his "help" ps3 owners (like me) can be banned from PSN just like 360 users (again like me xD)
remember he's being sued by Sony so maybe telling I will do this will alert Sony

forzanerazzurri said:
Geohot is a freaking loser.
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Yeah, loser with a 45lb nutsack and the potential to make well-over $100k a year The guy's got balls of steel....are you brave enough to tell sony to **** themselves, you'll do what you want with your own property??? I think not!! lol
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hmmm well cause of his "help" ps3 owners (like me) can be banned from PSN just like 360 users (again like me xD)
remember he's being sued by Sony so maybe telling I will do this will alert Sony
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Hey genius, he's in the middle of a lawsuit with Sony and he posted that on his blog that's got over 300,000 followers. I think they already know
And if you don't want to get banned, don't install CFW or don't cry when you get banned. Why are people just crybabies about online?? "oh noes!!!!!! I can't play video games all day with my loser 'friends' online....I'm gonna cry about it some more"
This part is for everyone:
Sony is also being sued for removing otherOS from the console because it was originally marketed as a stock feature. People paid for the console with the expectations of being able to use linux, then were threatened with the loss of other features (like the ability to watch bluray movies) if they didn't update, which removed the option to install linux, then took the partition on the hard drive dedicated to linux and wiped it clean. The worst part is this: 40gb consoles, for example, were sold with a 20gb ps3 partition, and a 20gb linux partition....when otherOS was removed, it rendered the linux partition completely useless. The partition was not added to the PS3 partition, but rather lost....so if you bought a 40gb console, after the v3.21 update you owned a 20gb console. All I have to say is "what the ****, sony????"

sorry, double post

lightyear420 said:
This part is for everyone:
Sony is also being sued for removing otherOS from the console because it was originally marketed as a stock feature. People paid for the console with the expectations of being able to use linux, then were threatened with the loss of other features (like the ability to watch bluray movies) if they didn't update, which removed the option to install linux, then took the partition on the hard drive dedicated to linux and wiped it clean. The worst part is this: 40gb consoles, for example, were sold with a 20gb ps3 partition, and a 20gb linux partition....when otherOS was removed, it rendered the linux partition completely useless. The partition was not added to the PS3 partition, but rather lost....so if you bought a 40gb console, after the v3.21 update you owned a 20gb console. All I have to say is "what the ****, sony????"
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Oh yeah, I didn't know this, but good, they deserve it, this was a big feature for me.
It was ether update... or have a pretty useless system...

Yeah, this counter-suit was brought on by geohot himself as a civil suit (The People vs Sony Computer Entertainment) and he's gone into amazing detail on specifically what grounds he is suing them on in his blog. It's a very interesting read if you have about a half hour to kill.
http://geohot.com/

Sony did what they had to do to keep piracy out. Think for the devloppers a little... piracy is going to make game dev lose money = less game dev = les good games.
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kinglargo said:
Sony did what they had to do to keep piracy out. Think for the devloppers a little... piracy is going to make game dev lose money = less game dev = les good games.
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hahaha I'm surprised you don't own an iphone... you sound like the type that buys whatever you're told at face value.

Sony drops developer fees for PSM

Sony's dropped the fees to drive up support.
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ozzmanj1 said:
Sony's dropped the fees to drive up support.
http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/XperiaBlog/~3/3jkADRCUv5I/
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I remember reading this a few days back and thinking this won't make any difference.
Sony has to ask themselves why a developer would dedicate time and resources to their market place when there is already one with a substantially bigger audience to target? What does this one offer that others do not? The Playstation brand still has some clout with people but it doesn't have the level I think required to push Playstation Mobile (as is) on a mass scale.
Sony should look at investing more of their own time and resources before they come to expect it of developers. They should add PS Classics currently wasted on the Vita to drum up some initial interest in the concept, and obviously they can't rely on past games forever so they should lead by example and launch some new kickass titles themselves.
I was interested in Playstation Mobile before launch but what I've seen thus far does not interest me.

I added this to the comments on the link in post 1.
Gun Commando is the only decent game there, the rest are junk in my opinion. Installed PSM on my PLAY for about 2 weeks and deleted it. Here s a good move Sony, drop the damn $5 increments when you buy a game. I had $2 and wanted to buy a game that was $3. Sony makes you pay $5 so you then have $7, then if you dont spend it Sony still has your money. Its freaking horse sh!t and robbery of the worst kind. Shame on you $ony.
Perhaps its a bit harsh but the fact they take $5 increments only is robbery. Who wants to dump $5 just to get $2 for a game.... its asinine. In the world of the anti-christ in American Dad - "Smell my a$$"...... sorry just PSM was a huge let down, was looking forward to it and I dont even look at it... terrible. Although I do appreciate a certain member here in XDA XP who updated the thread for PSM each week.

It's going to be interesting, seeing as Sony doesn't allow free games (well, they must have DLC) on the store. While I agree on the audience front, I've enjoyed PSM development in a language I understand well and can take part as a hobby. Somehow, my silly Snake remake has sold over 700 copies!
PSM does have its flaws (no trophies/leaderboards/auto updates) but the messages coming out of Sony suggest they aren't giving up on it yet. However, in my opinion making the dev license free may not have the effect Sony expected; yes there will be an explosion in games but it's a question of quality (I'm not saying Snake is amazing, it has no sound and I'm still supporting it, but it's 79p) and whether Sony is going to actually support the platform.