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Take a look here . . .
What do you think community? Shun, or wait for a confession/wanna be back talk?
Well I want to know how many of you all who used his roms will continue to if he continues to "make" them or yet he claims he does.
He can go to hell, open source is a beautiful thing and the success of Linux is due at the fact that people all over the world contribute to it and help, not because one asshole is so egotistical he has to steal and try to get credit for **** he hasn't even done.
That's all there needs to be said about it.
Haykuro is clearly a solid individual, a great spirited guy and here to help.
Drizzy? Lets see, shady as ****, egotistical, here for credit and donations of other peoples work.
It's clearly about ethnics and morals.
and to the gentlemen above me people will probably still use his roms, there's nothing like a new dev name in the Android platform, but let's just wait till his roms become malicious and everyone comes crying and a REAL dev such as Hykuro or Cyan has to clean it all up.
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Well I want to know how many of you all who used his roms will continue to if he continues to "make" them or yet he claims he does.
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makes me wonder if they were ever his and not someone else. look what happened to haykuro.
its a said day.
I never touched Drizzy's ROM's because of what I've noticed with his support before he skipped scene.
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Hmm, I have always suspected some ROM releaser to be behind this. Not the ones I deal with but someone lol. If it happens to be Drizzy, I am not surprised.
I came to the scene when most of the dust had already settled and people where moving on, and releasing bigger and greater things. I have always noticed something peculiar about the way Drizzy would get into some kind of quarrel with someone, then it would be a love fest for him, then again with a quarrel, then a Drizzy tribute. Its kind of interesting.
I probably don't know much of the whole situation but that's what I have noticed.
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my thread got moved to here haha.
Why exactly is this topic needed? Keep this discussion in the other thread(s).
What the hell is up with all the fighting going on in this forum. A lot of people seem to ***** and moan about every little detail. It seems that whenever i go in to the popular threads like. Eugene's, or the lag fix, etc. and hit the last page, there is a lot of arguing going on. Can't we just be patient and content with what we are offered by the awesome work of the dev's we got. If we continue to ***** and moan about every little thing all they are going to do is work for themselves and maybe a couple of close friends and leave us out because all we ever do is complain. I know we are all eager to use our sweet ass phone to its full potential, but its going to take time. Just look at the g1 and how long it took to have it running at full potential and beyond. All i'm asking for is peace in this thread and make it a pleasure to come in here and read about new developments in peace. [end rant]
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Right on the money
You hit it right on the money.STFU people. Your not dev'n your bit**in, casuing it to slow down. We would porbally have CM6 if people would quit there yappin. Go play outside.
I sincerely hope you don't believe this thread is going to stop anything. This forum has been the same for many years and It will never change. This forum is full of children and they're all going to argue and fight. Your best bet is to ignore it and continue to what you're doing. Posting a thread like this puts yourself right down at their level.
for real. Im not sure if 75% of people on xda are children, but 75% are definitely childish.
i have never seen so much childish like arguing, fighting, and comments in my life
If people posted their age (real of course) I would assume that the large majority are 12-17.
threads like this never seem to actually change anything, but it does make me feel a little better to see a few people not acting like 12 yr olds.
Im not getting all 'high and mighty' but i think i act like a 'normal' person (not a whiny brat).
--not saying that younger people should not be here, or course they should, they just should not act so stupid, aggressive, impatient, disrespectful, immature with the comments
Coming from ppcgeeks this place is a war zone. I actually stayed at ppcgeeks even when I had a nexus one because everyone here is so rude.
You make a new topic and God forbid there's been another one days ago made, so now everyone jumps on your case hard core.
Unfortunately I have to come here cause ppcgeeks is mainly cdma ..
But it took a learning curve coming here.. gotta put on war paint to make a thread or even a post..lol
or if people want to argue about silly little things they can use this thread or make one thread just for arguing, if thats what gets you off, but leave the development threads clean and only post about relevent things dealing with the actual thread
p.s. Thanks Mods for moving it to the proper forum
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for real. Im not sure if 75% of people on xda are children, but 75% are definitely childish.
i have never seen so much childish like arguing, fighting, and comments in my life
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Welcome to the internet and the power of anonymous posting! Nothing works better than a mask to hide behind and do and say things *most* people wouldn't do or say face to face.
Luis
Cool story bro.
Sent from the Matrix
Funny all the *****y haters didnt post yet.....hahahaha
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noticed it myself, and suspect some of it is due to feelings of inadequacy on some posters' - literally
there's one poster that 90%+ of his/her posts are rude, illogical and slamming on someone else's post - i've started to suspect that poster just needs to feed his/her own feelings of self-importance, and a keyboard is an easy & convenient tool
Waaah! My phone don't work! Waaaah! People won't stop complaining! Waaaah! People don't do the things I want them to do!
You know what complaining about complainers gets you? More complainers. Yeah.
Yeah?!?!?!
Well F you for starting this thread BRO!!!
/sarcasm
F everyone i'm done [throws vibrant out window] going back to the g1
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=765441
I guess we should all be happy with beta-at-best quality work just because we're "lucky" to get the attention.
any phone has issues. Hell if its not the GPS its something else. N1s wacky touch screen that sucks, Droid x locked bootloader, evo separated screen and frame cap, etc.
No matter what there will always be something needing fixing or in samsungs eyes
OPTIMIZATIONS lol
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lol nice example
I read the title as "missing patches". Haha, I thought you were gonna be whining about no patches for gps or something.
I agree tho, been thinking it was just the captivate side with all the iphone people new to xda. I actually thought of leaving and coming back in a couple of months when things settle down.
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From what I see a lot of the pissing matches comes when 1 person has a different opinion on something and everyone has to tell him/her that is wrong.
I do agree though no one should EVER ***** or complain to a developer.
However if someone states a flaw without going oh my god this ruined my phone, but only just states it I don't see why everyone has to try to jump on them (usually the case).
For example in one thread I stated that I missed froyo and I hate that the Vibrant doesn't have it yet. Someone asked me what i missed, I answered with exactly what I missed and examples and I got jumped on for being impatient about developers releasing it. Never once did I say I wanted CM or any develeoper to release it (in fact I want it directly from Samsung), but the pitch forks came screaming those aren't big deals and and i needed to stfu and wait for a developer to release it.... which was never my point.
Too many people think there way is the only right way to think. Its rather annoying to see how far people will go too. Also I find that alot of people in these pissing matches don't read entire posts which I find funny because 1 person is usually arguing with someone who has the same general opinion but slightly different and they make it out to be a night and day difference.
Just wanted to mention that all the users who attacked the devs have changed their tune since oem support is crap.
I've been holding my feeling against all the ignorant users who attacked the devs.
Thanks, that is all.
I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say, but I got the gist of it.
And I agree.
That is all.
Translation:
All those who attacked the devs and coined them faildev.team are all of a sudden changing their tune now that they are speaking out about their projects, and OEM support has been so crappy.
Sad that people act like this.
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
Thanks for the translation...
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I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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People demand instant gratification, and when they do not get it, they get ugly because they think for some reason, they are owed everything. Then there is the jealousy factor. Then there are those who think the devs withhold stuff from the community.
Then there are those who just attack me because they can.
The android community is young, and due to it being user friendly, it attracts young folks. Some just happen to be very immature. It *should* get better with time.
All this cool and dandy...
However developers also have some room to improve situation on the forums.
As adrynalyne pointed here there is a lot of childish behavior here. But developers, being leaders of community, not always behave as such.
I understand all sorts of emotions etc. I personally fall victim of them... Sorry if I hurted somebodys feelings.
But, I cannot stand some sort of elitism growing here.
Devs, please do not threat rest of the crowd as a bunch of morons! It will reflect positively on you as well.
If you have time to read all crappy posts on the forums and post aggravated responses, why do not spend this time typing meaningful response, holding grain of knowledge? If not, just stay calm and do not feed flame.
I do not want to repeat myself again and again. Just want to see some professionalism and respect in forums. It's not going to help moving to IRC, twitter or whatever. Root cause must be resolved.
Personally I was really impressed, more by anything else, of adrynalyne responding to that guy posted leak on other forums. Seriously! It was so different from how I percept him at forum. Like completely different person.
Respect!
While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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FDro said:
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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I totally agree, the devs have my support in anything that they do, in whatever time frame they can make happen. Still better then the OEM time frame for an "update".
i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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adrynalyne said:
While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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And that's OK. Unfortunately it doesn't leave any footprints anywhere else.
That's why we same questions everyday... Technical or whatever. The commonality between them is that they do not have posted answers here.
I'm talking for myself only. Please do not take it personally in any way and keep in mind that my English is not my native language, so something might sound harsh.
Like I got an understanding that RIL is the problem, by I was unable to find any technical explanation why, what was done to overcome etc. So, I asked here... I even do not want to think about what resulted. And all I wanted to have some technical answer, and may be share some ideas, because I'm in the IT field as well...
Now, looks whats going on around. Punkkaos got it working at least partially. I understand that other people contributed, and work probably started not 10 minutes ago. But nonetheless RIL is in progress or already done.
How I suppose to feel about this? I'm mixed.
Fist of all I'm THANKFUL for you guys who put all time and efforts in this! I'm not going to use it immediately, but I like that secure feeling that phone will not become a paperweight in 6 months down the road. I definitely will enjoy results of this work in the close future.
But, I need to admit that I have another side, as well. It's not necessarily dark, just kind of human nature, I guess. It kind of disappointment...
I ask myself - well, if it is done and done pretty quickly, why it didn't happened before? Months ago...
Like, just an assumption, please do not take it personally.
I think what if devs took a quick look and it didn't worked immediately and samsung promised update soon. People think - OK, we will wait for update, not worth to spend time on it. But time goes and goes and there is no update or leak... And tension is going up and up. And all this is OK and well understood. But doesn't solve the problem.
Yesterday, I've created twitter account (yes, call me a dinosaur) and specifically asked punkkaos how he addressed the problem. And guess what, he answered as expected that RIL is basically adapted and he does call result translation between old and new one. This is exactly how I would personally approach this problem myself.
My point here is that aside of actual work to be done, it is not rocket science. It is well known approach in programming.
And now you can throw all rocks you have into me, saying that if I so smart ass why I do not do it myself. That, right.
But, I know my limits and I'm not going to wipe out one of my comps, partition it to install Linux, to install tool chain, sources etc, to reinstall Windows and all crap me and my family needs in everyday life, just to try adapt RIL knowing that I will fail, because of my zero knowledge of subject. Or, even worse without knowing that it was already attempted and failed. And it was attempted by someone who is really ample to do it. Do you see holding factors?
That's why I asked questions. And being this question answered properly, who knows, may be another brave soul would had managed to accomplish what punkkaos did, but one month earlier, simpler or better. I feel like bad temper and communication let community down, at least temporarily.
And I think we are all at fault here. No need to point fingers.
No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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Did I ever said that I'm owed? My grief is about this particular community in general. And because we all members, we all equally responsible for a atmosphere here. Or you think that bashing somebody here helps a lot?
And you know what? OP is right at the moment, I'll stay away from any custom roms or mods or whatever. At least for now. Because to be "cool" is not only thing in my life anymore. I outgrown it long time ago.
My crave for update is stemming not from desire to have highest score in quadrant, but from wish to have stable, usable and secure platform, from which IMHO any current phone is far away.
Out of the box SF is fairly usable, thought not ideal. Having Froyo and GB, means that I can get all bug fixes, improvements and new features such as native code extensions for applications and games, enterprise stuff etc.
Using rooted phone might be OK for me, but definitely not for my wife or children. So, manufacturer support is still important. Unfortunately my believe in Samsung faded out very quickly. And that essentially raised importance of independent developers proportionally. I do not see anything wrong with it.
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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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this guy does not seem to be in the entitlement crowd. He even states that english is a second language and to cut him some slack. I think what he was trying to say is that he was disappointed that samsung kept getting everybodies hopes up, which may have pushed devs off of working on getting things rolling for this device (why wouldn't they wait when they are being told froyo is on the way? From what I understand it would be easier to rip through that and make changes than to pull it off a different phone and sort of start from scratch). This doesn't sound too "tinfoil hat" to me, and certaintly doesn;t come off as entitled. More like he was pointing out one possible contributing factor as to why there has been a lot of waiting around (not complaining here guys, statement of fact. Did/do appreciate all the nonfroyo/gb roms and fixes that have been pushed out for us) for word of froyo. Now that Kaos/JT/Birdman have gotten some Froyo alpha's posted up, I am getting the feeling that the floodgates are about to open.
2 cents
I am not a developer.
My phone was decent out of the box.
Thanks to all the developers hard work, that i don't yet have the ability to do, my phone has gone from decent to fantastic.
The best part is that they aren't done yet
The future is exciting and if i ever think i am entitled to anything from someone elses work then, please, someone on here ***** slap me.
To all developers on here....you have my respect and gratitude. You have improved my life and saved my ass more than once. (Or twice)
Please keep doing your thing. And when i learn how to help i will.
Sent from my fascinate through xda app.
Well, the goal isn't to instill hostility, but to bring awareness to be thankful.
I can see what CNemo means because he doesn't understand what's going on. I can assure you that there is no intended elitism going on. Most of the roms tested in irc are shared here as soon as they are determined to be stable enough for testing.
It may seem like there is no transparency, but actually if you care, there is... The source codes are public. You can see what the devs are doing on github.
Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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I agree and disagree. I disagree because it's nice to have this stuff in the forums where more people can try it. On the other hand, no matter how many warnings you give, there are going to be those who AREN'T comfortable with ADB, etc and go ahead and do it anyway... then we as a community lose valuable time while you fix everyone's fubar. It's frustrating to me, I can only imagine being on the other side. As far as Devs go, I don't envy them... It's the utimate "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
Aside from donations and thanks, the other way to support the Dev community is to PAY for apps. I have quite a few paid apps on my phone. The only caveat to that is when I'm looking at an app and I'm unsure if I want/need it. From time to time I'll grab it from ********* and give it a 5min test spin. If it works, I uninstall and grab it from the Market. If it doesn't, I just uninstall. I know (for the most part) that we're talking about two separate types of devs, but the point is the same... if you're using someone's work... support them!
In response to the post above, I think I get what he was saying... I've done some programming (old school, mostly... BASIC, MS Acess) and while that doesn't really apply to Android at ALL, there may be some of us that have ideas that could help. In the end, a variable is a variable is a variable. I've thrown questions and ideas out only to be ignored. I don't take it personally, but even a "no, dip****... it doesn't work like that" would be appreaciated
No seriously, the guys in IRC will flash anything thrown at them... Some of them will end up with serious issues that were found to be seriously flawed.
Here's an example. VooDoo 5. When it first started rolling around in IRC from jt, it was considered unstable. It did not have the tools required for the average user to repair their phone. Adrynalyne preemptively produced the DI01 all in one ROM to repair everything from the radio, the kernel, the MBR, the recovery even... Did Adrynalyne have to do that? No, he did it because he knew that kinds of issues that would arrive when VooDoo 5 was introduced. Then VooDoo 5 was released.
Compared to VooDoo 4, the amount of incidents are exponentially less because of Adrynalyne putting a fix out there.
Also with phone repairs, it's much easier to help someone fix something in real time than it is to wait on them to try something, post, wait for response, in that sequence than it is to discuss the repair live in a chatroom.
BTW, this is in no offense to anyone. This is to clarify why some of the people are perceived as elitists. It's not that the IRC crowd are elitists, it's that they're more up to date with the latest development because they're busy flashing and screwing up their phones first so that you don't have to. On the same token, if you want to learn/test latest development, hop on IRC and ask any of the guys in #Samsung-Fascinate for help. It's very friendly in there contrary to what you would think (as long as you're not wozzy/sherwood1).
As I presume you all know, lately there have been a verbal fight between our great Devs. Today it grew up in flames. I don't want to quote 'cause there are some curses and insults.
It is not all about it. It is about that we need all of our good devs "to work" for us and bring the best for our phones.
So Jerp & Trip and of course Z we appreciate all of your work. You all are the best and we like to see more and more from the amazing things you create.
Please devs, reconcile each other. We don't want to loose any of you. We need you!
I call everyone to express their feelings about this and let's hope everything will end up in a positive way.
Lets all pay our tribute to T, J & Z. We love you guys!!!
Although I can't see any of us having any real effect on whether the devs make up and play nice, here's my view...
They're all acting like children as far as I'm concerned. "So and so didn't give me credit!" "So and so stole my work!" "So and so blah blah blah."
This entire episode is completely unnecessary. None of the devs have a fully functional ROM, nor do they seem to want to work together to achieve anything of worth. They're more concerned with who's done what and who can get the latest and greatest out first, all the while leaving us a trail of half-arsed ROMs that we have to mix and match to get the best results. To be totally honest here, I haven't bothered with any of the ROMs personally because there so many issues and no one is taking the time to sort them out before running off the be the first to...<insert whatever super epic ROM here>.
This is open source. If the devs aren't capable of understanding that sometimes, you might not be individually thanked, or someone might not point and go "Oh hey look! It's Z! (Or J, or T or L M N O P)". In the end, the goal should be the same. Right now it's not.
My advice, grow up, work with each other and stop worrying about the glamor of it all. In the end, your toilet smells the same (or pretty damn close) to the other guy's.
+1 nekkidtruth - It's all a bit pathetic really. They need to regain their grip on reality.. Individually they're good - clearly better than most... but if they were to actually make some effort to work together then, well, good things would come to pass I'm sure.
They will earn more respect and kudos from achieving something as a team than they will fighting amongst themselves to try to be the first..
Fingers crossed for a positive outcome!
While I'm not entirely sure what's been going on today, I'm of the same opinion as nekkidtruth. The whole X10 development is all over the place and needs some sort of Team working on one ROM. We don't really need the 2.1 variants that are all out there (which seem to me as just 2.1 themed with JIT hashed on).
I don't like this whole closed source kinda feel to the whole thing between the devs either. What's wrong with sticking the sources on something like GIThub and working together to modify, build, compile.. whatever?
It's just my 2 pence worth, which isn't really anything.
You guys totally miss the point and have not done anything that requires long periods of work for a project that requires very specialized knowledge.
Open source DOES NOT mean that anyone can take your work and claim it as theirs. Yes, Android is open source because anyone can take it without paying huge licensing fees and everyone knows that it's maintained by Google Inc.
In the case of the devs here, j & z did work that trip took without giving credit and used it as his own as if he did all the work. J & z always clearly states where he got some code from. In one case j used some code that trip made and gave credit. Once any dev releases a rom, the YES, it's out there in the open for anyone to use, but it's a d-bag move to claim it as all your own work. J & z said that all they wanted was credit and no money eventhough Trip was getting donations. Trip then blew a gasket and here we are today.
Even Glenn Beck has to give credit to Thomas Paine for Common Sense.
I've observed Trip's behavior to be, well, "Trippy", in addition to being completely and utterly ill-mannered. I've also seen trippy [pun intended] users engage other non-trippy users into unnecessary exchanges of abuses and insults, complete with another user handling the PR for 'Trip' in his absence.
Brilliant.
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I didn't miss any point. I call it as I see it. Children in a school yard having a castle building contest trying to build the best/largest castle. This is nothing more than that. Open source is open source, either it's open or it's not. If you can't handle someone else using your work, don't bother. If you feel you absolutely need to be patted on the back every single time someone uses even the tiniest snippet of your code, why bother?
I've worked on plenty of large projects. I've worked along side many people and solo'd as well. The fact of the matter is, they're building ROMs for an open source OS on a phone. Their paths are going to cross. Rather than work together, they'd rather bicker.
Can someone sum up this whole dev beef going on or show me the thread where it went down?
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I didn't miss any point. I call it as I see it. Children in a school yard having a castle building contest trying to build the best/largest castle. This is nothing more than that. Open source is open source, either it's open or it's not. If you can't handle someone else using your work, don't bother. If you feel you absolutely need to be patted on the back every single time someone uses even the tiniest snippet of your code, why bother?
I've worked on plenty of large projects. I've worked along side many people and solo'd as well. The fact of the matter is, they're building ROMs for an open source OS on a phone. Their paths are going to cross. Rather than work together, they'd rather bicker.
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So you're fine with plagiarism. Got it. Please send me any and all of your work that I can profit from. I will be sure not to give you any credit whatsoever and call it my own. TIA
edit: It's more than snippets in this case and x10 devs on xda is a small community. There's a difference and you should realize it.
Open source doesn't mean laissez faire. Android is open source; HTC Sense is not. With your rationale, then all the programs on the market should just be renamed and sold without any credits to the original devs.
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Can someone sum up this whole dev beef going on or show me the thread where it went down?
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Trip used some sources from j & z to compile his own rom which he released and got donations for. Z called him out on it and asked him either to take it down or give a credit. Trip then had a meltdown and took his roms down.
Earlier today, trip saw that j had some code of trips in the 2.3.2 rom and called him out on it. J then took the rom down, gave credit, and is uploading his own rom from top to bottom.
If someone's in a mood for some really nice playing devs, just look here and here. That's how I got to know xda-developers.com. You'd be excited how strong the atmosphere in different sections of the same forum can differ
And, surprise: jerpelea also developed there, and as usual he did an incredible job by porting a (almost) fully working X2 ROM to X1
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So you're fine with plagiarism. Got it. Please send me any and all of your work that I can profit from. I will be sure not to give you any credit whatsoever and call it my own. TIA
edit: It's more than snippets in this case and x10 devs on xda is a small community. There's a difference and you should realize it.
Open source doesn't mean laissez faire. Android is open source; HTC Sense is not. With your rationale, then all the programs on the market should just be renamed and sold without any credits to the original devs.
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Don't be ridiculous. I said nothing of the sort. If you're going to put words in my mouth, don't bother replying. I simply said it can and does happen and should be expected. If you can't handle that part about "open source", why bother?
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Don't be ridiculous. I said nothing of the sort. If you're going to put words in my mouth, don't bother replying. I simply said it can and does happen and should be expected. If you can't handle that part about "open source", why bother?
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I'm just using your logic brother. Don't get mad at me for following the logical conclusions of what you propose.
Trip was making money off it and you're ok with it because of "open source" fundamentalism, which is bs because it's something you don't even really believe in anyways.
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's ok and should be tolerated by the community.
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I'm just using your logic brother. Don't get mad at me for following the logical conclusions of what you propose.
Trip was making money off it and you're ok with it because of "open source" fundamentalism, which is bs because it's something you don't even really believe in anyways.
Just because it happens doesn't mean it's ok and should be tolerated by the community.
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I'm not mad "brother". I just don't see this little high school hissy fit going on between the devs as anyone's fault in particular. They all contributed to what happened. Also, stop putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
has trip written anything of his own, or even finished a rom?
nekkidtruth said:
I'm not mad "brother". I just don't see this little high school hissy fit going on between the devs as anyone's fault in particular. They all contributed to what happened. Also, stop putting words in my mouth. Thanks.
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Then back up what you say with examples and not nebulous platitudes filled with false equivalence and your own hissy fit about a hissy fit.
Z asking for credit IS NOT the same as Trip freaking out about it. All trip had to do was add "thanks to j & z for x."
F this. I'm done with you. It's like talking to a dining room table. Enjoy your hissy fit.
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has trip written anything of his own, or even finished a rom?
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Yes, he's written his own stuff, but no, all his roms are in progress.
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Then back up what you say with examples and not nebulous platitudes filled with false equivalence and your own hissy fit about a hissy fit.
Z asking for credit IS NOT the same as Trip freaking out about it. All trip had to do was add "thanks to j & z for x."
F this. I'm done with you. It's like talking to a dining room table. Enjoy your hissy fit.
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You're the one throwing a hissy fit Lol.
Besides, I don't need to conform to your opinion on this issue. I have formed my own thank you.
Side note: I've seen Trip thank J & Z so many times. What? Did he forget to do it ONE time? Lol. What a joke.
Trip can take his half a$$ed roms elsewhere since he is obviously the problem here..
Honestly I can't understand how some people use their half-worked ROMs anyway
I either go with full working-stable ROM or just stay with the stock ROM as it seems more stable than their junk ROMs ( yes, I said junk, people here call apps from SE junk, why can't I do the same with half-completed work? ) no offence to anyone
OK, preface: I don't want your sarcasm or cheeky remarks. I'm sick of reading through irrelevant and closed threads to no avail.
If it were agreeable, would a MOD, or SamsungJohn please comment as to whether the "huge announcement" has been made?
I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but I have my own personal thoughts as to whether "opening the lines of communication" is considered "huge", or even an "announcement". If the powers that be allow, I would like to comment to SamsungJohn about that personally.
Meetloaf13 said:
OK, preface: I don't want your sarcasm or cheeky remarks. I'm sick of reading through irrelevant and closed threads to no avail.
If it were agreeable, would a MOD, or SamsungJohn please comment as to whether the "huge announcement" has been made?
I'm not trying to be negative or anything, but I have my own personal thoughts as to whether "opening the lines of communication" is considered "huge", or even an "announcement". If the powers that be allow, I would like to comment to SamsungJohn about that personally.
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Send him a PM then.
The dude is full of crap.
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REALLY?....guys just wait you don't even know what he's going to announce.
He has proven he works for Samsung so he's not fake and is talking to the higher ups
.....Just wait we don't know what he's even capable of or what he's going to do for our community.
Isaint the announcement was that they have started a q&a with a poll that's it bro
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O my bad dude 8(
...lol i still don't see it though where did you guys see this?
EB13 Imminent?
So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
EDIT: Actually I think they are suggesting that Samsung is updating its Epic 4g page. Hopwever, when I follow AC's link it just goes to a blank page with a little form at the bottom asking if I was satisfied with the content. I said "no".
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So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
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No. That's not even confirmed. The big announcement is yet to be announced, everyone just be patient.
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dr_gibberish said:
So is this the "huge announcement"?
http://www.androidcentral.com/froyo-eb01-release-imminent-sprint-epic-4g
Android central suggests that the EB13 update is "imminent" and that sprint has been making changes to its customer service page in advance of this.
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This announcement of EB13 is good for us Epic owners, but that does not effect all Galaxy S owners. I think the better news is that John is here to make sure we don't have another debacle like this whole Froyo update. Samsung realizes the influence we have and to have a line of communication between a Manufacturer and a dev forum is unprecedented.
IF the poll he is compiling is the 'big news', then if it actually bears fruit, that could be useful. Not sure that is the announcement. I think he shot himself in the foot promising an announcement, maybe official collaboration between him and svetius is a big deal to him, but until it bears fruit, it's not that impressive to the average XDA user. This leads me to believe that the poll may not be the announcement, just another part of the work he is trying to accomplish here. Give him a shot, and dont ***** about froyo, he said its on the list, wait and see what he does.
Silly flaming about froyo on here is only going to get threads closed, and give him an excuse to ignore the issue. If you must, do it on the social network sites, or PM him, then you can get your temp ban, and threads stay open...
As speculated in one of the general threads, (ran out of thanks if I didnt catch it), he MAY be sent here as a distraction, to keep us off twitter, FB, and the other retarded social networking forums. He is from that dept, maybe he is cleaning it up by distracting us...? Kind of an elaborate conspiricy, but who knows. Those that have been doing the twitter/FB campaigns, dont let up, it may be working... but keep the crazy comments there, as it will draw more attention to the unrooted masses...
HOPING SJohn is making such a big deal because he knows something he cant say yet... just hope he doesnt drag it out and announce froyo on the 20th!
This still reminds me of the Fallout3/Vegas on the PS3 BS...
Working nights sucks! I go to bed and all the fun comes and all I find are locked threads after a cup of coffee when I wake up. :/
So how many armchair bandits have actually sent a pm to the xda owner on what we might do as requested? I did suggest a moderated forum where posts are only posted until after being reviewed by a mod. While I'm no dev I did offer to help out with such an endeavour.
Why don't you guys just give him a chance. His hands are tired right now and be can't say anything untill xda allows him.
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As speculated in one of the general threads, (ran out of thanks if I didnt catch it), he MAY be sent here as a distraction, to keep us off twitter, FB, and the other retarded social networking forums. He is from that dept, maybe he is cleaning it up by distracting us...? Kind of an elaborate conspiricy, but who knows.
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The first part of your post was spot-on....the above though is way too tinfoil hat and outside the realm of the feasible or credible. There's no way anyone in a position like his is going to come here or elsewhere to simply serve 'as a distraction'. Frustrations especially amongst we Epic owners are understandable to a point, but the above manner of thinking goes beyond frustration and crosses the line into bizzare paranoia.
It seems fairly obvious and certainly logical what's happened with John to this point, and in hindsight predictable too given the angst here; he came primarily with the hopeful purpose to collaborate with the people actually doing ROM/device development here, to try and establish a relationship with these folks perhaps to mutual benefit for both current and future product/customers. Unfortunately, the initial implementation came a bit too soon and without enough forethought and, it seems, without communicating his intentions and initiating a dialogue with the XDA owners first. That, combined with (a.) some obvious communication 'ambiguity' (at best) on John's part and (b.) making the mistake of thinking such a dialogue should be brought forth and attempted with the open masses of the entire membership of XDA down to the end user level and all the kneejerk 'angry white noise' therein, proved to be a disaster.
None of that means the desire and effort behind what John/Samsung is attempting is without value or merit though. And fortunately, it now sounds like they're going to try isolating his interaction purely with the dev/material contributers that actually matter, and hopefully they'll do so privately as well to keep everything filtered from the mob mentality so that an actual civil, mature interactive process can take place. Besides, a great deal of what he was barraged with in the central 'General' thread were issues that are mired on the carrier level anyway at least when it comes to the remaining GS phones still lacking Froyo.
And honestly, any information the end users want to hear, if he can even provide such, would be better received and trusted if its handed down through already established devs & moderators in each forum who have the history and respect of the membership at large to some degree. Otherwise you get what you've gotten the last 24 hours; a mindless, angry lynch mob mentality of kneejerk frustration being directed at one sole employee who (a.) had nothing personally to do with the cause of said frustration, and (b.) furthermore actually dares to come in good faith & intention wishing to bridge the divide. Sometimes, the hounds become so rabid and lose their minds so much that they try to gnaw off the good intentioned hand that attempts to try and help or feed them, and that's pretty much what happened in John's case.
Although it would be cool, I highly doubt that XDA is doing and hands-tying here. The ball has bee Sammy's court for a while now.
XDA has been walking the walk, not talking the talk.
If the 'huge announcement' was to announce the efforts of "collaboration", fine, we can move forward.
If a MOD came and commented YAY or NAY, then they could close this thread, and it's purpose would be served.
As it stands now, you have a bunch of people making assumptions one way or the other and making silly statements accordingly. We all what assuming does... =D
how do you know about my tinfoil hat?! No, really, its all Noobnl and Elvis' fault. Bastards.
I honestly hope John does something more than get special threads and draw attention to XDA. But you had a good idea there....
Any Mod/Admin have any input????
Was the announcement the first post of the 2 or 3 threads SJ started, or were they to lead up to the announcement, and were hijacked by angry SGS users with pitchforks acting like John is Frankenstein's monster??
BTW, did anyone notice the GSM SGS users were much more rabid in the General forums???? I guess its because of their rates/service ratio Seriously though, I thought we were bad...
it is getting all hyped up and will probably turn out to be meh...
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how do you know about my tinfoil hat?! No, really, its all Noobnl and Elvis' fault. Bastards.
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Haha, I wasn't referencing you personally, just the 'threads' you were referencing and the mentality portrayed therein.
Hehe, you can't say "huge announcement" to a bunch of nerds and not have it be something that gives them their techie-jimmies for the day.
When I think of "huge announcement", I think something really relevant to the target crowd that either appeases are very much wanted need, or announcing something crazy that gets everyone excited.
If either of these things fails to happen, I consider this a major PR gaffe, that could be saved be some out of the ordinary effort by Sammy.
Silly mens!
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Hehe, you can't say "huge announcement" to a bunch of nerds and not have it be something that gives them their techie-jimmies for the day.
When I think of "huge announcement", I think something really relevant to the target crowd that either appeases are very much wanted need, or announcing something crazy that gets everyone excited.
If either of these things fails to happen, I consider this a major PR gaffe, that could be saved be some out of the ordinary effort by Sammy.
Silly mens!
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Agreed fully. That is what makes this so puzzling. Stop being so damn ambiguous SamsungJohn and just come out and tell us in no uncertain terms what the announcement is and what you would like from us.
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Haha, I wasn't referencing you personally, just the 'threads' you were referencing and the mentality portrayed therein.
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oh I know... I just referenced the 'distraction theory', as it is PLAUSIBLE, although not likely... plus its entertaining... this is like my geek soap opera.... please SPRINT, please take this as far as you can... I really wanna see minds lost here.
The best part is that some of these theories end up on so called media websites, Engadget, I got my HTC assassin theory from a very reliable source... please write an 'article' about it... why not... ?