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At this point I could care less if the mods wish to close this thread or not. This thought or statement was generated by the recent release of the 2.1 sdk (i put it in development because it deals with development-unless there is a "i'm tired of the bs section"). I do have to throw my 2 cents on here in regards to the stupidity and lack of sense demonstrated by our devs as well as our users. . Lately there has been a whole lot of bs fighting in regards to dumb ish like "credit" for this that and the 3rd, or "he did this and he did that", or "he stole this from here", and useless competition (although competition can be healthy, at this point its dumb). Let me state that all of you are full of ****. At this point I would've thought that all of you would realize that this entire forum is sorta like a family all coming together for a common goal. Yes if you want to look at it in another way, you can say we got different families spread out i.e Diamond, Android,HD2 etc (y'all get my point), yet I noticed that all that occurs is bs fighting. Like wake the hell up and work together. EVERYONE is dying to get a stable working/near perfect 2.1 rom working on their device (damn even wm dudes are porting android so that's gotta mean something). Right now I know what's up...Y'all got the "I WAS FIRST" syndrome. How bout this. All you devs that know how to make all this ish work for us users (who have no real knowledge of it) get together and work to get 2.1 working on all our devices. THEN branch off with your own special touches, so that we dont have 5million 2.1 roms with the same damn issues. Once the rom is fully stable, then add or take out what you want. Call it 2.1 Official stable, then have all the variations listed under it. We are all loyal to certain devs based on our own taste so it's obvious that we would jump on the branch off roms accordingly.Everybody is grabbing from the same SDK so f'n come together DAMN. As for the users stop comparing. If u like a rom use it and shut up. Dont diss a next mans effort ya dig?!!!!
Could'nt of said it better.I agree.
good idea, just not guna happen. ever. people will always be flawed no matter what anyone wants. just the way it is
adelco93 said:
good idea, just not guna happen. ever. people will always be flawed no matter what anyone wants. just the way it is
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I agree..but still had to air it out with my 2 cents
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At this point I could care less if the mods wish to close this thread or not. This thought or statement was generated by the recent release of the 2.1 sdk (i put it in development because it deals with development-unless there is a "i'm tired of the bs section"). I do have to throw my 2 cents on here in regards to the stupidity and lack of sense demonstrated by our devs as well as our users. . Lately there has been a whole lot of bs fighting in regards to dumb ish like "credit" for this that and the 3rd, or "he did this and he did that", or "he stole this from here", and useless competition (although competition can be healthy, at this point its dumb). Let me state that all of you are full of ****. At this point I would've thought that all of you would realize that this entire forum is sorta like a family all coming together for a common goal. Yes if you want to look at it in another way, you can say we got different families spread out i.e Diamond, Android,HD2 etc (y'all get my point), yet I noticed that all that occurs is bs fighting. Like wake the hell up and work together. EVERYONE is dying to get a stable working/near perfect 2.1 rom working on their device (damn even wm dudes are porting android so that's gotta mean something). Right now I know what's up...Y'all got the "I WAS FIRST" syndrome. How bout this. All you devs that know how to make all this ish work for us users (who have no real knowledge of it) get together and work to get 2.1 working on all our devices. THEN branch off with your own special touches, so that we dont have 5million 2.1 roms with the same damn issues. Once the rom is fully stable, then add or take out what you want. Call it 2.1 Official stable, then have all the variations listed under it. We are all loyal to certain devs based on our own taste so it's obvious that we would jump on the branch off roms accordingly.Everybody is grabbing from the same SDK so f'n come together DAMN. As for the users stop comparing. If u like a rom use it and shut up. Dont diss a next mans effort ya dig?!!!!
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I concur good sir.
Damn snappin..but daeshawn bro u making hellie sense right now i feel what u saying boah TEAM WORK
Fa'Sho! Glad someone said it!
well spoken. Fight the power!
Agreed 100%
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At this point I could care less if the mods wish to close this thread or not. This thought or statement was generated by the recent release of the 2.1 sdk (i put it in development because it deals with development-unless there is a "i'm tired of the bs section"). I do have to throw my 2 cents on here in regards to the stupidity and lack of sense demonstrated by our devs as well as our users. .
Lately there has been a whole lot of bs fighting in regards to dumb ish like "credit" for this that and the 3rd, or "he did this and he did that", or "he stole this from here", and useless competition (although competition can be healthy, at this point its dumb). Let me state that all of you are full of ****.
At this point I would've thought that all of you would realize that this entire forum is sorta like a family all coming together for a common goal. Yes if you want to look at it in another way, you can say we got different families spread out i.e Diamond, Android,HD2 etc (y'all get my point), yet I noticed that all that occurs is bs fighting. Like wake the hell up and work together.
EVERYONE is dying to get a stable working/near perfect 2.1 rom working on their device (damn even wm dudes are porting android so that's gotta mean something). Right now I know what's up...Y'all got the "I WAS FIRST" syndrome. How bout this. All you devs that know how to make all this ish work for us users (who have no real knowledge of it) get together and work to get 2.1 working on all our devices.
THEN branch off with your own special touches, so that we dont have 5million 2.1 roms with the same damn issues. Once the rom is fully stable, then add or take out what you want. Call it 2.1 Official stable, then have all the variations listed under it.
We are all loyal to certain devs based on our own taste so it's obvious that we would jump on the branch off roms accordingly.Everybody is grabbing from the same SDK so f'n come together DAMN. As for the users stop comparing. If u like a rom use it and shut up. Dont diss a next mans effort ya dig?!!!!
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darn u should be the president's top advisor. really gud and bold point
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Thanks, that made it easier for me to read. Never could read something that wasn't in paragraphs for some reason.
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Agreed 500%
2.1 can be taken on if all devs work together.
BULLY IDEA, mate!!!
i really wish this would go down... hurts my heart to go back and forth, because this doesnt work here, and that doesnt work there...
just one rom, one that WORKS, all the way... and everyone can have credit... makes so much perfect damn sense...
I agree, but bragging rights make donations. The more they "claim" the more people are willing to donate for such a "great" developer. For example, I wouldnt be surprised if Cyan bought his Nexus from his donation fund.
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I agree, but bragging rights make donations. The more they "claim" the more people are willing to donate for such a "great" developer. For example, I wouldnt be surprised if Cyan bought his Nexus from his donation fund.
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I have donated to many of the developers, and you know what, I got some shocking replys.... and not just one line "I don't get many, thanks"... actual responses thanking me for actually donating and showing my support.
Cyan might very well, he has a huge following beyond xda, but most of the developers on this site struggle with donations. There is but a handful in all the forums on here that actually get a decent # of donations.
i agree with everything the OP stated....
i remember when Manila2D hit the streets for the first time and all the talented developers banded together endlessly day and night to make it available to all devices after making sure it works fully
mission: common goal, we all want the same thing, then why not work together to accomplish it?? then do whatever you want with it
Not gonna happen.
Your argument about making a working rom is flawed.
Here is why:
The source code is not available.
Drivers are incompatible, thus having the same things broken. If the devs had to all colab with eachother that would cause frustration between them because of the different tweaks to get the same thing accomplished.
IF the full source was available and it was easy as building and working out the bugs from there, that would be a different story.
35% agree.
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Another thing, there is only 1 2.1 rom that I would care about and I really haven't seen any others posted to be honest. There may be other 2.x roms like 2.0.1 from the droid/milestone, and espresso/hero but those are different with different challenges, but like you said have the same general problems (GPU acceleration and camera) which won't be fixed by any magical dev-ing. NCommander might be able to do a good job with reverse engineering the camera driver, but I would bet on flaws especially when we know the driver exists and will be released so there is no use with people *****ing (working yet?, does the camera work now that the sdk is out? etc).
First I'm not a mediator mod or any of that, but people we are acting like children.
1. Why are u here?
The devs on this forum are taking personal time! We as community members are not ENTITLED to ROMS. They do this for the love of the platform, so respect that.
2. This is not the Sprint forum.
Again, this forum does not imply or state that EVERYTHING is going to work with whatever ROM u choose. So really, why ***** or hate? Really?
3. What can u add?
Nobody expects anyone to be the cdma hero "hero". Everyone should know they lane and stay in it. Report bugs or dev, its that simple
I don't have the highest post count and I may be out of line but I have been studying/learning here since it was questionable if there would be a sprint hero forum. Let's not **** it up by driving away the same folks that got us here. I know that from past comments this will probably get locked, but if we don't as a whole respect more what's going on we have a chance of loosing it.
Respect to all the devs on here and the work they do, for US!
+1,000,000 Agreed,it's sad when people can't even thank someone without it turning into as bunch of un-needed bull$#17.Just be positive people,some good things are happening,don't let these people ruin things.
I don't post much here anymore, because of some personal reasons with regards to this forum. I still lurk a lot, however, and I just don't see where all the straight-up hate and animosity these posts such as yours are mentioning. I tend to avoid the 80-page threads because they are mostly filled with junk, is it in there?
Perhaps I should check them out.
The hate and animosity and watering down of this subforum with too many useless posts is why I haven't released anything since December. I'm working on a new rom for myself, and I'm thinking less and less like I might want to actually release it here. Last thing I feel like dealing with are a bunch of whiny people who aren't happy with me or my work unless it makes their phone do what THEY want. Where's the reward for devs? Don't anyone even bother mentioning donations.
Support that!
dude props for this! good going. And I agree with you 1000%
its no crime to show thanks and respect to some one for their hard work. if deving was easy we would all be doing it.
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I don't post much here anymore, because of some personal reasons with regards to this forum. I still lurk a lot, however, and I just don't see where all the straight-up hate and animosity these posts such as yours are mentioning. I tend to avoid the 80-page threads because they are mostly filled with junk, is it in there?
Perhaps I should check them out.
The hate and animosity and watering down of this subforum with too many useless posts is why I haven't released anything since December. I'm working on a new rom for myself, and I'm thinking less and less like I might want to actually release it here. Last thing I feel like dealing with are a bunch of whiny people who aren't happy with me or my work unless it makes their phone do what THEY want. Where's the reward for devs? Don't anyone even bother mentioning donations.
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This is exactly why we should respect the devs... pretty soon all of them will be gone.
You beat me to it ... but I don't really care.
I think we just got too amped up with all the 2.1 excitement and started trying to outdo oneanother instead of working together. Once the official 2.1 comes out, I think we will see a lot more collaboration to make it as good as possible. In the mean time, always five credit where it is due, and don't worry about who did what first, because it only benefits everybody. That's why our great devs are here: to help create a better device, not to profit or hoard secrets. This is the first real open source project I have been a part of, and I get excited just thinking about what the future has in store for us. Let's make it a great one!
Can we just please stop with these types of threads.
The way I look at it is like a car.
You buy the car, and you COULD just leave it at that. Some people like to mod their car and optimize it for maximum performance. Many people do not know how to do this, so they need to take it some someone who does know how, and the mechanic for damn sure isnt going to do that *** for free. I think of our devs a mechanics, optimizing my phone for me because I have no idea how to develop to my phone. The difference here is that they are doing this **** for free. So what if they ask for a donation, bums on the street ask for "donations" for doing ***. We were going to get 2.1 for free one way or another at some point since we already had the car (Hero for you thick headed people), whether it be a whole 2 days after flipz released it to contributors, or when sprint/htc officially releases it at the rumored end of this month.
And be happy this isnt a car, because if it was not only would you HAVE to pay for the official update, but you would have to pay for the installation and optimization.
Taking a *** chill pill all those people who are too stingy to even donate 1 buck.
Don't make me say the f word and post an off color picture so this thread gets shut down
just playing mods. don't hurt me.
foxracr17 said:
the way i look at it is like a car.
You buy the car, and you could just leave it at that. Some people like to mod their car and optimize it for maximum performance. Many people do not know how to do this, so they need to take it some someone who does know how, and the mechanic for damn sure isnt going to do that **** for free. I think of our devs a mechanics, optimizing my phone for me because i have no idea how to develop to my phone. The difference here is that they are doing this **** for free. So what if they ask for a donation, bums on the street ask for "donations" for doing ****. We were going to get 2.1 for free one way or another at some point since we already had the car (hero for you thick headed people), whether it be a whole 2 days after flipz released it to contributors, or when sprint/htc officially releases it at the rumored end of this month.
And be happy this isnt a car, because if it was not only would you have to pay for the official update, but you would have to pay for the installation and optimization.
Taking a ****ing chill pill all those people who are too stingy to even donate 1 buck.
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this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .
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Can we just please stop with these types of threads.
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No kidding... I am pretty sick of hearing people explain to me why I should be grateful to the rom developers. Like saying "The devs on this forum are taking personal time!" is some enlightening way to look at it. Everyone knows that already. And it gets really old seeing people make threads like this in an effort to get brownie points around here. There are so many threads EXACTLY like this. You are pushing posts that actually have a use out of view for a lot of people.
Oh wait, I have a difference of opinion. Lets start another thread and label it disrespect to the development gods...
Thank you. And I mean that. Because of XDA and it's amazing devs, I have gotten more out of this phone than I ever imagined. I have never had a phone that could do so much and people here were always willing to help me with a problem. And that is wonderful. I am glad that I joined this forum. In fact, I look forward to checking it every day. lol I don't know a lot about Linux, Java, or coding, but I do however know a lot about photography. I am a professional. So, if anyone needs help that way, I am completely for helping...I mean, all of you have helped me...I'd like to return the favor.
-Ken
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No kidding... I am pretty sick of hearing people explain to me why I should be grateful to the rom developers. Like saying "The devs on this forum are taking personal time!" is some enlightening way to look at it. Everyone knows that already. And it gets really old seeing people make threads like this in an effort to get brownie points around here. There are so many threads EXACTLY like this. You are pushing posts that actually have a use out of view for a lot of people.
Oh wait, I have a difference of opinion. Lets start another thread and label it disrespect to the development gods...
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Actually that wasn't my point at all. My point is threads like this do nothing but divert attention to them, it perpetuates the negativity. New users come in these threads and see this and "ask what I missed" then it gets started over and over again.
As soon as these threads die (yes I realize I bump when I reply) the drama will also follow. Donate, dont donate, dev, dont dev ( not really) but just treat each other like some one you would walk by on the street or have a conversation with while standing in a line.
Asking for your cake and eating it 2.
I dont post alot here as well due to personal issues here on the form (so many smarty pants people on here)
But if i see a rom that i like (or app) i give the dev his props and thank him for putting in hard work when he or she could of been doing something else not trying please us and make our phones better then the stock ones.
Not saying the next person have to do the same. But if i wasted 5hrs of my time. and your running around showing off with my work i would like some props.
This dont even have nothng to do with roms or dev so im sure its going to get closed down soon. You people are just wasting your time making these threads people going to do what they going to do.
It's true that these type of threads may seem senseless and get hijacked to negativity... but in the past, my experience is that when moderators and dev's get fed up enough the forum/site would become closed and open to invitation only type membership, i.e., PRIVATE ACCESS!
That scenario is both good and bad... "Good" if you're in the loop, but potentially "Bad" because you just might end up on the outside looking in with your nose pressed against the window! So PROPS it is...
I have come to XDA for a long time, joined only so I could post, and only recently began to do so. But, that said, it has been indispensable for the provision of knowledge and fixes for handsets that the manufacturers and or carriers are unable to do themselves... so again - PROPS it is... no reason to drag it down.
+++++1,000 thanks to the awesome work being done!
There are those who truly can never be pleased, yet, I think that ration is extremely small. So again, for something I would gladly pay for, but am not required to do, I offer the easiest thing, a gesture of THANKS!
Hello everyone
I would like to spread the word and inform everyone that Haykuro is looking for some $$$ to get N1. He did a lot for Android development and we are where we are now in part because of him. Check out his pledgie and donate a few bucks if you can. I figured if 50 people donate $4-5 he can get N1 easily.
*Disclaimer: Steve did not ask nor endorsed me to post this. I am not associated with him in any way. I do appreciate what he did for us though and what he still does behind the scene. I too donated as much as I could (which is not much). Please don't post negative comments here, if you don't have anything nice to say - please don't say anything.
Thank you for taking time to read this.
You've made a thread on behalf of someone you don't know, asking all of us to give our money to someone we don't know.. someone who mysteriously no longer owns the last phone given to him for free, who we have no reason to trust, and who ran away from this forum in a mood after people realised he wasn't all he was painted as.
No offense to you, but this is pathetic on a whole new level.
Haykuro may have done some good work on rooting the magic, but he is not the all-conquering god of the scene legend has built him up to be. He can buy his own phone just like the rest of us.
inb4 don't have anything nice to say.
Someone we don't know? Haven't been around long enough, have you?
The way I see it, there were (and still are) many, many others less deserving "devs" around filling their pockets with the stupid contributions. Steve pretty much got a2sd started, along with other improvements that are now standard on some roms (remember when cyanogen used to pack htc ime, camera, etc on his roms, they were originally steve's findings).
He wasn't like the copy/paste devs that plague this forum now recycling the work figured out by others, or much less, a scumbag like drizzy.
But, I have to say I agree with you saying that if he wants it, he should buy it himself. I've never been a fan of the donation things. Just don't undermine Steve, because he's done far more than most here.
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Someone we don't know? Haven't been around long enough, have you?
The way I see it, there were (and still are) many, many others less deserving "devs" around filling their pockets with the stupid contributions. Steve pretty much got a2sd started, along with other improvements that are now standard on some roms (remember when cyanogen used to pack htc ime, camera, etc on his roms, they were originally steve's findings).
He wasn't like the copy/paste devs that plague this forum now recycling the work figured out by others, or much less, a scumbag like drizzy.
But, I have to say I agree with you saying that if he wants it, he should buy it himself. I've never been a fan of the donation things. Just don't undermine Steve, because he's done far more than most here.
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Yea I didn't mean to come across so harshly to him.. He did some good work back in the day, but it riles me how he's regarded as the messiah by most of the newcomers to the scene. He discovered and supplied a lot things through his fabled htc contact (which was ruined for everyone by the aformentioned scumbag) and he some good ideas, but his releases were mostly a case of dropping leaked files into a standard build.. and, let's be honest, weren't that great. he's not some awesome groundbreaking coder as everyone now seems to think.
My main point in my rant above is that nobody actually knows this guy beyond twitter stalking and old forum posts.. History has shown how different people can be behind their username (scumbag again). I don't think we should be giving money to old "devs" that have been out of the game for ages, on the promise that they might do some unknown awesome thing with the new hardware.
I think its a pretty scummy thing for him to directly ask people to buy him a new phone. If anyone else without his status did that, we'd laugh at them.
I really see nothing good coming out of this thread.
Just wanted to mention that all the users who attacked the devs have changed their tune since oem support is crap.
I've been holding my feeling against all the ignorant users who attacked the devs.
Thanks, that is all.
I'm not sure exactly what you were trying to say, but I got the gist of it.
And I agree.
That is all.
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All those who attacked the devs and coined them faildev.team are all of a sudden changing their tune now that they are speaking out about their projects, and OEM support has been so crappy.
Sad that people act like this.
I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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People demand instant gratification, and when they do not get it, they get ugly because they think for some reason, they are owed everything. Then there is the jealousy factor. Then there are those who think the devs withhold stuff from the community.
Then there are those who just attack me because they can.
The android community is young, and due to it being user friendly, it attracts young folks. Some just happen to be very immature. It *should* get better with time.
All this cool and dandy...
However developers also have some room to improve situation on the forums.
As adrynalyne pointed here there is a lot of childish behavior here. But developers, being leaders of community, not always behave as such.
I understand all sorts of emotions etc. I personally fall victim of them... Sorry if I hurted somebodys feelings.
But, I cannot stand some sort of elitism growing here.
Devs, please do not threat rest of the crowd as a bunch of morons! It will reflect positively on you as well.
If you have time to read all crappy posts on the forums and post aggravated responses, why do not spend this time typing meaningful response, holding grain of knowledge? If not, just stay calm and do not feed flame.
I do not want to repeat myself again and again. Just want to see some professionalism and respect in forums. It's not going to help moving to IRC, twitter or whatever. Root cause must be resolved.
Personally I was really impressed, more by anything else, of adrynalyne responding to that guy posted leak on other forums. Seriously! It was so different from how I percept him at forum. Like completely different person.
Respect!
While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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I dont undestand why anyone would attack the developers. They aren't obligated to do anything, what they do is out of their own will and desire to better the device. If people have a problem with the phone then blame the manufacturer, not the people picking up after their mess.
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I totally agree, the devs have my support in anything that they do, in whatever time frame they can make happen. Still better then the OEM time frame for an "update".
i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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i hope the poster(s) who jumped all over the devs awhile back (i forget who) arent using anything that they have done recently and will avoid froyo/gb unless it comes from verizon/samsung
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While moving to irc may be unfortunate for some...it provides real time interaction for development. That simply is not possible on a forum. I work with a lot of people, and can fix problems 90% faster in real time.
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And that's OK. Unfortunately it doesn't leave any footprints anywhere else.
That's why we same questions everyday... Technical or whatever. The commonality between them is that they do not have posted answers here.
I'm talking for myself only. Please do not take it personally in any way and keep in mind that my English is not my native language, so something might sound harsh.
Like I got an understanding that RIL is the problem, by I was unable to find any technical explanation why, what was done to overcome etc. So, I asked here... I even do not want to think about what resulted. And all I wanted to have some technical answer, and may be share some ideas, because I'm in the IT field as well...
Now, looks whats going on around. Punkkaos got it working at least partially. I understand that other people contributed, and work probably started not 10 minutes ago. But nonetheless RIL is in progress or already done.
How I suppose to feel about this? I'm mixed.
Fist of all I'm THANKFUL for you guys who put all time and efforts in this! I'm not going to use it immediately, but I like that secure feeling that phone will not become a paperweight in 6 months down the road. I definitely will enjoy results of this work in the close future.
But, I need to admit that I have another side, as well. It's not necessarily dark, just kind of human nature, I guess. It kind of disappointment...
I ask myself - well, if it is done and done pretty quickly, why it didn't happened before? Months ago...
Like, just an assumption, please do not take it personally.
I think what if devs took a quick look and it didn't worked immediately and samsung promised update soon. People think - OK, we will wait for update, not worth to spend time on it. But time goes and goes and there is no update or leak... And tension is going up and up. And all this is OK and well understood. But doesn't solve the problem.
Yesterday, I've created twitter account (yes, call me a dinosaur) and specifically asked punkkaos how he addressed the problem. And guess what, he answered as expected that RIL is basically adapted and he does call result translation between old and new one. This is exactly how I would personally approach this problem myself.
My point here is that aside of actual work to be done, it is not rocket science. It is well known approach in programming.
And now you can throw all rocks you have into me, saying that if I so smart ass why I do not do it myself. That, right.
But, I know my limits and I'm not going to wipe out one of my comps, partition it to install Linux, to install tool chain, sources etc, to reinstall Windows and all crap me and my family needs in everyday life, just to try adapt RIL knowing that I will fail, because of my zero knowledge of subject. Or, even worse without knowing that it was already attempted and failed. And it was attempted by someone who is really ample to do it. Do you see holding factors?
That's why I asked questions. And being this question answered properly, who knows, may be another brave soul would had managed to accomplish what punkkaos did, but one month earlier, simpler or better. I feel like bad temper and communication let community down, at least temporarily.
And I think we are all at fault here. No need to point fingers.
No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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Did I ever said that I'm owed? My grief is about this particular community in general. And because we all members, we all equally responsible for a atmosphere here. Or you think that bashing somebody here helps a lot?
And you know what? OP is right at the moment, I'll stay away from any custom roms or mods or whatever. At least for now. Because to be "cool" is not only thing in my life anymore. I outgrown it long time ago.
My crave for update is stemming not from desire to have highest score in quadrant, but from wish to have stable, usable and secure platform, from which IMHO any current phone is far away.
Out of the box SF is fairly usable, thought not ideal. Having Froyo and GB, means that I can get all bug fixes, improvements and new features such as native code extensions for applications and games, enterprise stuff etc.
Using rooted phone might be OK for me, but definitely not for my wife or children. So, manufacturer support is still important. Unfortunately my believe in Samsung faded out very quickly. And that essentially raised importance of independent developers proportionally. I do not see anything wrong with it.
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No one is at 'fault' here. Your sense of entitlement is astounding; you are not owed anything. This OP was directed at people like you.
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this guy does not seem to be in the entitlement crowd. He even states that english is a second language and to cut him some slack. I think what he was trying to say is that he was disappointed that samsung kept getting everybodies hopes up, which may have pushed devs off of working on getting things rolling for this device (why wouldn't they wait when they are being told froyo is on the way? From what I understand it would be easier to rip through that and make changes than to pull it off a different phone and sort of start from scratch). This doesn't sound too "tinfoil hat" to me, and certaintly doesn;t come off as entitled. More like he was pointing out one possible contributing factor as to why there has been a lot of waiting around (not complaining here guys, statement of fact. Did/do appreciate all the nonfroyo/gb roms and fixes that have been pushed out for us) for word of froyo. Now that Kaos/JT/Birdman have gotten some Froyo alpha's posted up, I am getting the feeling that the floodgates are about to open.
2 cents
I am not a developer.
My phone was decent out of the box.
Thanks to all the developers hard work, that i don't yet have the ability to do, my phone has gone from decent to fantastic.
The best part is that they aren't done yet
The future is exciting and if i ever think i am entitled to anything from someone elses work then, please, someone on here ***** slap me.
To all developers on here....you have my respect and gratitude. You have improved my life and saved my ass more than once. (Or twice)
Please keep doing your thing. And when i learn how to help i will.
Sent from my fascinate through xda app.
Well, the goal isn't to instill hostility, but to bring awareness to be thankful.
I can see what CNemo means because he doesn't understand what's going on. I can assure you that there is no intended elitism going on. Most of the roms tested in irc are shared here as soon as they are determined to be stable enough for testing.
It may seem like there is no transparency, but actually if you care, there is... The source codes are public. You can see what the devs are doing on github.
Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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Yeah I've tried the whole, "Im just gonna throw it out there on the forums" thing. It does not work well, and you end up ticking people off when things stop working. Always best for the IRC crowd to muddle through the stuff first.
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I agree and disagree. I disagree because it's nice to have this stuff in the forums where more people can try it. On the other hand, no matter how many warnings you give, there are going to be those who AREN'T comfortable with ADB, etc and go ahead and do it anyway... then we as a community lose valuable time while you fix everyone's fubar. It's frustrating to me, I can only imagine being on the other side. As far as Devs go, I don't envy them... It's the utimate "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" scenario.
Aside from donations and thanks, the other way to support the Dev community is to PAY for apps. I have quite a few paid apps on my phone. The only caveat to that is when I'm looking at an app and I'm unsure if I want/need it. From time to time I'll grab it from ********* and give it a 5min test spin. If it works, I uninstall and grab it from the Market. If it doesn't, I just uninstall. I know (for the most part) that we're talking about two separate types of devs, but the point is the same... if you're using someone's work... support them!
In response to the post above, I think I get what he was saying... I've done some programming (old school, mostly... BASIC, MS Acess) and while that doesn't really apply to Android at ALL, there may be some of us that have ideas that could help. In the end, a variable is a variable is a variable. I've thrown questions and ideas out only to be ignored. I don't take it personally, but even a "no, dip****... it doesn't work like that" would be appreaciated
No seriously, the guys in IRC will flash anything thrown at them... Some of them will end up with serious issues that were found to be seriously flawed.
Here's an example. VooDoo 5. When it first started rolling around in IRC from jt, it was considered unstable. It did not have the tools required for the average user to repair their phone. Adrynalyne preemptively produced the DI01 all in one ROM to repair everything from the radio, the kernel, the MBR, the recovery even... Did Adrynalyne have to do that? No, he did it because he knew that kinds of issues that would arrive when VooDoo 5 was introduced. Then VooDoo 5 was released.
Compared to VooDoo 4, the amount of incidents are exponentially less because of Adrynalyne putting a fix out there.
Also with phone repairs, it's much easier to help someone fix something in real time than it is to wait on them to try something, post, wait for response, in that sequence than it is to discuss the repair live in a chatroom.
BTW, this is in no offense to anyone. This is to clarify why some of the people are perceived as elitists. It's not that the IRC crowd are elitists, it's that they're more up to date with the latest development because they're busy flashing and screwing up their phones first so that you don't have to. On the same token, if you want to learn/test latest development, hop on IRC and ask any of the guys in #Samsung-Fascinate for help. It's very friendly in there contrary to what you would think (as long as you're not wozzy/sherwood1).
To people that troll the forum... shut up if you arent helping with dev...
Especially dont be rude and drive them away... They are our only hope until moto releases an unlock bootloader - if ever
P.S I know this isnt dev related... But I hope the post can be here for a bit so people can see this.
Link below... CellZealot pointed out we arent very warm to people just trying to help.... Lets not be like that....
http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/android-hacks/6511-moto-atrix-4g.html#post58112
Hopefully, "Recognized Developer" status will help with this, since it will allow said developers to partially police their own threads (yay the ability to close your own thread until you're ready to say more!). But that's still several weeks away.
Sogarth said:
Hopefully, "Recognized Developer" status will help with this, since it will allow said developers to partially police their own threads (yay the ability to close your own thread until you're ready to say more!). But that's still several weeks away.
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+1. Can't come quickly enough
It really does astound me the amount if hatred and misinformation being spread around about this device, and a lot of it comes from people who don't even own one, or used it for a day and returned it. Very sad indeed. I agree with Sogarth, though
+1 So many people just spew out things not fully understanding, or make statements because they made changes to their device that they don't fully understand. My viewpoint is if you are going to make a change to your device, you should know what the change you are making is and the consequences of such. If you modify your software by modding files know that updates released by the manufacturer will not work on your device unless you put it back to factory.
Quite a few people here state moto is intentionally bricking their device because they can't install the update over their mods. It's problematic because it breeds misinformation as well as hatred/flamewars on the boards
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It really does astound me the amount if hatred and misinformation being spread around about this device, and a lot of it comes from people who don't even own one, or used it for a day and returned it. Very sad indeed. I agree with Sogarth, though
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+1. Without Dev's, this device is just another "one year wonder" (if even in my use). We need to attract Devs, not push them away.
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+1 So many people just spew out things not fully understanding, or make statements because they made changes to their device that they don't fully understand. My viewpoint is if you are going to make a change to your device, you should know what the change you are making is and the consequences of such. If you modify your software by modding files know that updates released by the manufacturer will not work on your device unless you put it back to factory.
Quite a few people here state moto is intentionally bricking their device because they can't install the update over their mods. It's problematic because it breeds misinformation as well as hatred/flamewars on the boards
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For some reason this reminded me of an article on Engadget that was posted a while back:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/editorial-the-dark-side-of-android-hacking/
I'm always amazed at how many people manage to fudge up their phones and don't take responsibility for it, or try and blame the developer. I think there was a flare up last night because an Android blog posted something in a similar vein stating CyanogenMod was "ruining" a bunch of phones.
Going back to the Nexus One, I've always been amazed by how people talk to the devs here. They have much thicker skin than I do, thankfully. Haha.
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+1. Without Dev's, this device is just another "one year wonder" (if even in my use). We need to attract Devs, not push them away.
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Sigh... We really need devs badly for the atrix
That was one of the things I remembered reading a while back and it stuck with me, I remembered from my time working for Apple how people would **** up their phones jailbreaking it because they thought it would always be "one click and done". My girlfriend has an iPhone and wants to jailbreak it so she can do "cool things" with it. But she has no idea what the cool things she can do are. Nor the consequences that can happen should she mindlessly update her phone. Even I am sometimes skeptical of hacking my device until I know I can revert back.
As was said in Spiderman "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility"
In the end what people have to remember is that as Devs software gets cracked not because everyone asks for it to be done, but it's Because they can. Back in the day whenever someone would ask "Why are you bothering with this" the response was always "Why? Because I can." Users of the mods have to remember this and know that things don't always "Just work" you have to know what you are doing. Part of the reason I'm teaching myself bit by bit how to mod so I can take part properly in the Dev Community.
KaLiBLeeK said:
For some reason this reminded me of an article on Engadget that was posted a while back:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/editorial-the-dark-side-of-android-hacking/
I'm always amazed at how many people manage to fudge up their phones and don't take responsibility for it, or try and blame the developer. I think there was a flare up last night because an Android blog posted something in a similar vein stating CyanogenMod was "ruining" a bunch of phones.
Going back to the Nexus One, I've always been amazed by how people talk to the devs here. They have much thicker skin than I do, thankfully. Haha.
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In the end what people have to remember is that as Devs software gets cracked not because everyone asks for it to be done, but it's Because they can. Back in the day whenever someone would ask "Why are you bothering with this" the response was always "Why? Because I can." Users of the mods have to remember this and know that things don't always "Just work" you have to know what you are doing. Part of the reason I'm teaching myself bit by bit how to mod so I can take part properly in the Dev Community.
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I remember that DEVS are doing this because they can, but now we have also some stimulus for the brave one(s) who'd crack the security issues that are preventing from flashing new kernels etc.
I also agree that if somebody is doing something with device like rooting, hacking Webtop or anything else should know what are they doing. I think that it'd be much more 'secure' - less number of bricked phones. But there are a lot of people that just want oneclick for everything, because the dont want/cant go into the command line, flashing or extraordinary instructions - its too complicated for them.
Moving this to general as not android development