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Bye Bye Vibrant =(

So today I returned my Vibrant and removed my Nexus One from Ebay. It's sad that such a beautiful phone had to be returned but I couldn't cope with some major issues:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
I will miss the screen... it was amazing... along with some of the features of touchwiz. However, the fact that TMobile confirmed that they will be launching an HSPA+ phone this summer makes me feel that much better about waiting to upgrade.

Let me get out my violin.
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Feel better? Goodness it's like at least 5 people have to start this type of thread on every board I visit for any type of device. I can't wait for the usual people to come in and make this a 10 page thread

And when the TMO releases the new HSPA+ phone it will have a plethora of issues on its own, good luck

Just trying to save people the trouble from upgrading from their Nexus if they have one. Thanks for the violin though! ;p

I really don't set the point of these types of posts, so you are unhappy and experience issues that not everyone is. Does that mean I should annoyingly post about how great mine is working? My HD2 gave me problems everyday but I didn't post about it. My slide worked perfectly but I didn't post about it. Again gps is not everyone, I have tried the following apps:
Yelp
Yellow book
Find me
Places directory
Maps
Where
Layers
And google
ALL were able to find my location (locked)
Everything else hasn't happened to my phone yet
So really what is the point in posting that you are returning the phone, because I'm sure you have already posted the problems.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

heygrl said:
Let me get out my violin.
Feel better? Goodness it's like at least 5 people have to start this type of thread on every board I visit for any type of device. I can't wait for the usual people to come in and make this a 10 page thread
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Oh man you should have seen the Evo 4G forums then. This is nothing compared to that.

If i'd've had a N1, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a Vibrant now. N1 to Vibrant is probably not that big an improvement, but G1 (even rooted) to Vibrant is HUGE!

Sorry you didn't like your Vibrant!
I personally have had none of those issues, in fact, I have had not one force close or restart, the phone has been on and running without a single hitch since the day it was released and I picked it up at the T-mobile store.
This has been the best out of box experience I have ever had with a phone, especially one that was just released.

OolonColuphid said:
If i'd've had a N1, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a Vibrant now. N1 to Vibrant is probably not that big an improvement, but G1 (even rooted) to Vibrant is HUGE!
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danpaganelli said:
This has been the best out of box experience I have ever had with a phone, especially one that was just released.
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I agree on both accounts. When we get 2.2 OTA or mod it will prove to be the best phone available.

Your patience (or lack thereof) got the best of you.phone had only been out a week. Name me one device that was perfect upon release? Take care and cya, I'll enjoy the vibrant for you =)
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant

What he said. ^^^^

DKYang said:
What he said. ^^^^
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lmfao! blah 10 char!

sccpmusc26 said:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
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1. will work after OTA
2. Did you root? Haven't heard of significant issues pre-root
2. thats because it's filled with bulky widgets. Remove a few. I'm running 5 widgets (2 of the samsung ones) and a live wallpaper with no lag (did no lag fixes or anything)
4. Barnacle doesn't work without root. Doesn't work consistently with root because the phone just came out and they haven't added support for it yet. New hardware for a currently unsupported root feature. Hopefully it'll be included in 2.2, but if not, the tether programs should be updated soon.

I think you should have waited before getting the phone in the first place. Nothing come out perfect.

I also purchased the Vibrant to use as a wireless hotspot with my iPad. I am going to give it time. I probably wouldn't have upgraded from an N1 though.

I turned on the phone and I'm not kidding I went straight to ever screen and removed every widget and turned off all but one screen. I mean I really don't need 7 screens when I use the same few apps all the time.
I think the only issue's I've noticed is.
- Camera FC on me once.
- Antenna boucing all over the place signal wise. Full Bars, half bars, no bars. Who knows, but it still works.
I think the only rock solid phone I've ever purchased and it just worked was my old Side Kick. It wasn't fancy or flashy and of course doesn't do half the stuff that these newer phones do.

For me:
Notifications keep phone awake
I get FC when I try to add picture to contact
Slow market (rooted)
Antenna bars jump left and right, but it doesnt seem to effect the signal....

It's a genuine concern. Stop getting so defensive that people are having issues. Not everyone can afford to drop $500+ every two months on the latest and greatest. A new smartphone is an investment, and if it doesn't work as advertised, that's not the fault of the consumer. Also, keep in mind, 14 days is not a lot of time. We don't even know for sure if this is something that Samsung can or will fix.
Some of you are willing to accept that risk, and trust that a fix is coming. That's fine. Some of us are not as bold when it comes to such investments.
So, yes, we may get an announcement, by the 15th day, that everything is going to be fixed and we won't have to worry. But what if that announcement never shows up? What if they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Eh, good enough"?
Well, like I said, $500+ is a lot of money to gamble when it comes to the good faith of a corporation. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit nervous about them supporting this device properly.
I love my Vibrant, save for these reception issues with the various radios. I live in one of the best coverage spots in my city, and I've been having calls go straight to voicemail all week; my GPS takes 5 minutes to even lock, and when it does, the radius is 2-4 blocks wide; the compass does not work at all, and the phone will assume I'm driving and moving when I'm stationary because of these problems. As of today, it does not appear as if either company is acknowledging the issue. That said, if a statement isn't released soon, I'll be returning it to sit on the sidelines until a fix is announced -- as much as I'd miss the display.

sccpmusc26 said:
So today I returned my Vibrant and removed my Nexus One from Ebay. It's sad that such a beautiful phone had to be returned but I couldn't cope with some major issues:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
I will miss the screen... it was amazing... along with some of the features of touchwiz. However, the fact that TMobile confirmed that they will be launching an HSPA+ phone this summer makes me feel that much better about waiting to upgrade.
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nick_karstedt said:
1. will work after OTA
2. Did you root? Haven't heard of significant issues pre-root
2. thats because it's filled with bulky widgets. Remove a few. I'm running 5 widgets (2 of the samsung ones) and a live wallpaper with no lag (did no lag fixes or anything)
4. Barnacle doesn't work without root. Doesn't work consistently with root because the phone just came out and they haven't added support for it yet. New hardware for a currently unsupported root feature. Hopefully it'll be included in 2.2, but if not, the tether programs should be updated soon.
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DKYang said:
What he said. ^^^^
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Precisely.
Go start a blog or post on the tmobile forums. Every one of your issues can be solved with patience.
Buhbye.

coolguy949 said:
Oh man you should have seen the Evo 4G forums then. This is nothing compared to that.
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It's just getting started. Not only that, when they return the phone it'll continue to pester on. Oh x -- x and x doesn't work, it's this and that.. no, I haven't exchanged it or I've gotten 5 already and it's not going to be fixed because once I do this, that happens.. and on and on and on and on and on and..

Cyanogen 6.0. Is it way over rated?

Here is a question for everyone. It's not a trolling question, nor is it designed to provoke anger. As a faithfull user of cyanogen 6 since its inception (nightly updates, RC1, RC2, and Full) Lets boil this down.
Things that work:
1. Its fast as hell.
2. No sense (makes it fast as hell).
3. Highly customizable
4. ADW tweaks are nice.
5. Feel free to add something else in here.
6. Nice screen rotation for car mounting.
7. Oh ya....its fast as hell and, as has been posted in here a million times, "...is buttery smooth."
Things that still don't work at all or work well:
1. HDMI
2. 4G
3. Radio
4. MMS with picture or voice (tried it again yesterday)
5. Voicemail issues (we all know what they are)
So......essentially....except for some modest, user appreciable "non-sense" speed boosts....this ROM actually removes some pretty darn important features.
Explain the logic of this to me?
Cyanogen has done excellent work. I am not trying to squelch that, but he (and his team) seem to be unable to resolve issues EVO users should and do find important.
With the new sense roms out there and their subsequent kernal releases, they perform, user appreciably, nearly the same as this rom with all the above MAJOR FUNCTIONS working. (Linpak, FPS2d, and Quadrant scores for which I can reproduce screen shots)
So, you get a fast rom with few of exceptional functions / features this phone is capable of.
Do you think maybe....the rom is a crutch for the phone.
Just one man's humble opinion. Maybe further versions with the important features useable will kick butt. For now......Come on. What is the obsession?
Would someone please explain my confusion on this seemingly obvious question.
So....Ill keep it as a nandroid backup. For what? I don't know.
-JZ

Pro: Stagefright AAC decoding patch implemented in CM6
Con: Bluetooth prevents phone from sleeping

I agree.. seems ridiculous to me. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I don't really want to get nit picky, but I agree with your points, and it's personally not the rom for me. At least not in its current state.

Didn't you post this in the CM6 thread?

all the features in cm6 currently PWN 4g and hdmi. for those that other are either fooling theirselves or havent really actually played with the rom
-i mean really, hdmi is nice, but you cant even use it to its full extent now...why waste the time? a saying that comes to mind "if you gonna do something, do it big" or "why halfass when you'll just have to come back and finish it up later"
sorry i just dont think a HALF working hdmi in sense or even stock roms for that matter are worth bragging about.
-4g is NICE, however its only ONE phone that has this option as of right now (excluding the samsung epic that just launched today). It makes NO sense at all to focus on a feature that is only exclusive to ONE phone...not to mention the code for 4g is intricately woven into Sense, so it takes some time to remove and code for it
-Radio? Seriously? It just seems like yer being a hater here.... I do realize having the FM radio is nice and all....but even in the stock roms you have to have gay ass headphones.
With all the pandora radio, stitcher radio and other podcast..... is it REALLY that big of a deal? i think not especially since i dont have to be on a leash with headphones and can play through my speaker
-NO other rom has a higher bitpool for bluetooth aka if you use a2dp to stream to your car's stereo...unless your using cm6.... your stream is gonna sound like ****!!! This is a BIGGGG feature
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
as far as the voicemail...i dont use sprint's voicemail on this phone....i link it to my gvoice....but i can definitely understand the frustration not being able to get to your vmail.
i guess people like cm6 because it pwns and own all while not being a bloatware king and slowing **** down

ya....i wasn't sure where the "most appropriate" place to post it was. You know how folks won't answer your question/quandry, but rather say, "this isn't the appropriate place for this." So....pre-empting that I posted it in both places in case one gets deleted.

They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.

it pwns? with modest appreciable speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
4g, hdmi, (ill give you the radio), mms (not sending messages with photos or sound or both attached) are not little things. Also....if you have a decent HDMI set it will recognize the settings and accomodate....so come on. OBJECTIVE not SUBJECTIVE.
The sense roms have comprable linpak, quadrant, and BETTER fps2d scores.
Im not hating....just posting OBJECTIVE findings.

rubixmaster said:
They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.
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My thoughts exactly.

Nope.
HDMI? Why would I want that in a phone?
4G? I'm not in a 4g area.
Radio? Haha.. why? It never worked right for me anyway and my Zune gets better reception.
MMS - I sent my wife a picture just yesterday. No issues there.
VM - I use GV and always have. No issues.

jasonziter said:
it pwns? with modest speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
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Bro, I'm not going to do research for you. If you haven't already, flash CM6 final on your phone. If it doesn't fly compared to a Sense ROM, you are doing something wrong or you need to return your phone.

goodelyfe said:
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
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That is SMS (aka texting) and the 160 character limit is the CDMA technology limit, has nothing to do with a ROM. MMS (aka picture/multimedia mail) is what he is referring to. But I'm not sure exactly what problems he's referring to, because I though MMS worked fine on my phone when I had CM on it.
You feel it is faster by far then other roms, that is your opinion, hard factual numbers do not necessarily agree with you. I didn't want to get into the nit picky, as I stated before, because honestly I respect CM for doing things I could never dream of doing. But your post reads as if a one sided defensive retort. Prove him wrong in his stance, saying it feels faster does not do so, because that is one of it's few claims to fame.
And yes, I've run multiple nightlies, and ran RC1, I did not care for any of them enough to keep me around long. I am waiting however for 6.1 and look forward to trying it out.

Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.

jasonziter said:
Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.
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You're asking him to do the testing to back up his point, when you're the one with the challenge?
BUT
I might have just found something I'm interested in and maybe I'll do the testing you're asking for today during my afternoon at work.
Fresh installed FreakEvo and Fresh CM 6.0 running the gambit.

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lol dude!!! lol 'dont show me emotionally'
it seems you and maybe another are the ones who are getting upset/emotional
lol
you ask us our opinions, then you 'attack' us for them.....and your rebuttal is back it up with objective data....
dude its not that serious.
"you can lead a horse to the water well..... "

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I understand your curiosity about what makes it measurably better, but I don't undestand what makes you think anyone would be motivated to win you over..
I love CM6 and am very happy to be running it on my phone, it's smooth and reliable and I'm happy with it. I could give a **** if you like it or decide to start using it.
If you don't see the value, and if you prefere a sense based rom then use a sense based rom. If you want to know the difference then flash them both and run your objective tests and share the results with the community. It would be interesting to know but I don't forsee anyone providing you with this data in an attempt to convince you to become a CM6 user.
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?

Zergburger that is a mighty quadrant score indeed. What were you OC'ed to in that?

nebenezer said:
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?
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^this^ lol

Goodbye Hero. Im not going to miss you.

Good bye hero. Thanks for...
1.) Random calls
2.) Lagging keyboard
3.) Force closing
4.) Overheating on wifi tether
5.) Never downloading anything from market until i turned wifi on/off.
6.) Always lagging so I end up not redialing someone, but dialing the last person I called/ who called me.
7.) ****ing bootlooping whenever i try jit or any jit rom
8.) Not supporting better porn sites
9.) Not printing money or making me an island and flying me there.
Thank you Htc Evo for...
1.) Everything

The evo prints money and puts you on islands? Damn I can't wait to upgrade!
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1) No random calls - front pocket has been nice to me so far, plus adding a lockscreen or disabling Menu(x2) to unlock seems to work as well
2) Swype, Dvorak, Swiftkey ftw
3) could be a whole array of different things related to the rom, kernel, app, etc.
4) errybody hates this you could try a handheld fan
5) lolwut probably a google talk issue
6) Mhm, mhm. wait a second.. "I end up not redialing someone" -> "Dialing the last person I called/who called me" What's your definition of redialing?
7) Jit'ing only feels good if you do it sparingly, otherwise you start to slow down and eventually your phone becomes impotent when it comes to jit
8) you're lonely.. we've all been there. Don't blame the phone, thats why you should get a laptop bigger screens ftw
9) Damn straight, completely agree with you

1) No random calls - front pocket has been nice to me so far, plus adding a lockscreen or disabling Menu(x2) to unlock seems to work as well -
(^Sure i can do that out of the box right?)
2) Swype, Dvorak, Swiftkey ftw
(^Shouldnt have to)
3) could be a whole array of different things related to the rom, kernel, app, etc.
(^tried them all, I think its the quality of hardware on the indivisual phone)
4) errybody hates this you could try a handheld fan
(^Or dunk it in water?)
5) lolwut probably a google talk issue
(^back to hardware)
6) Mhm, mhm. wait a second.. "I end up not redialing someone" -> "Dialing the last person I called/who called me" What's your definition of redialing?
(^ Hitting the send button to call the last person back who called me.)
7) Jit'ing only feels good if you do it sparingly, otherwise you start to slow down and eventually your phone becomes impotent when it comes to jit
(^I Jit constantly and never slow down, my 200 dollar hardware should jit all day and not blink)
8) you're lonely.. we've all been there. Don't blame the phone, thats why you should get a laptop bigger screens ftw
(^Jerking in elevators FTW)
9) Damn straight, completely agree with you
__(^Thank you)________________

Haha we need more people like you on this sub-forum
too bad you're leaving to the evo...I won't be there until possibly early end of winter. best of luck with that phone

dpeeps74 said:
The evo prints money and puts you on islands? Damn I can't wait to upgrade!
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Lol classic

I had all these issues on stock firmware lol it is sad. But on cm6, it us all fixed, except wifi tether heat and no island. Oh and the porn, but I don't really do that on the phone anyways
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danaff37 said:
I had all these issues on stock firmware lol it is sad. But on cm6, it us all fixed, except wifi tether heat and no island. Oh and the porn, but I don't really do that on the phone anyways
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My phone is my only porn outlet. The misses keeps an eagle-eye on the pc. :-(
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo on Hero action here!

incognito window on Chrome will keep that eagle eye from seeing a thing!
BINGO

CM6, modified kernel, XDA keyboard, battery tweak, launcherPro
What do I get? A fast and responsive phone running 2.2 that lasts 2 days on a charge. Sorry you have bad luck, or haven't optimized your phone to get the best out of it. Also, the "I shouldn't have to" excuse is weak if you're so disappointed in a phone that came out a year ago. I can't wait until the next big sprint phone comes along but to be honest I have nothing to complain about, I'm that satisfied. HUGE difference from the ****ty instinct I had before. lol
I don't get these farewell threads, just make the switch and move on. Maybe some here will follow your twitter but most of us are more concerned with the Hero. Not trying to be a ****, and I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, but I fail to understand why the world must be notified as to a person's purchases.
/rant

Or only make a farewell speech... when you are a dev or a themer.

rank78, which modified kernel are you using? I've been looking for a decent one.

user7618 said:
My phone is my only porn outlet. The misses keeps an eagle-eye on the pc. :-(
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Incognito mode ftw
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On a side note i bought an evo yesterday had an upgrade I was holding for a while... this phone is awesome I don't think ill be buying a tab now.
Don't worry guys ill stick around since ill always have a soft spot for the hero forum. I think its produced some of the best Serbs and themers
Ino i saidi want going to but the hero was getting boring
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rank78 said:
CM6, modified kernel, XDA keyboard, battery tweak, launcherPro
What do I get? A fast and responsive phone running 2.2 that lasts 2 days on a charge. Sorry you have bad luck, or haven't optimized your phone to get the best out of it. Also, the "I shouldn't have to" excuse is weak if you're so disappointed in a phone that came out a year ago. I can't wait until the next big sprint phone comes along but to be honest I have nothing to complain about, I'm that satisfied. HUGE difference from the ****ty instinct I had before. lol
I don't get these farewell threads, just make the switch and move on. Maybe some here will follow your twitter but most of us are more concerned with the Hero. Not trying to be a ****, and I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, but I fail to understand why the world must be notified as to a person's purchases.
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I had a ****ty instinct too! I bought 2 of them, one for me and one for wife. It was to be the iphone killer! Yeah right I remember they held a app contest, trying to get more developers to make apps for the phone. All that came was a few apps and a bunch of complaining from the dev that sprint wont release code to access things they needed to make the apps work! Frickin Sprint has been screwing people for a loooong time!!! Yet what do I do when its upgrade time? Get the newest POS Maybe next time I will hold out for the release that comes after the "new release" ie, hero/evo Thanks to all the devs who made my and everyones else's hero manageable

ASimmons said:
On a side note i bought an evo yesterday had an upgrade I was holding for a while... this phone is awesome I don't think ill be buying a tab now.
Don't worry guys ill stick around since ill always have a soft spot for the hero forum. I think its produced some of the best Serbs and themers
Ino i saidi want going to but the hero was getting boring
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does that mean bye bye to [THEME] DarkEdge UI

Naw ill still do it... the source is all screwed up so I have to move things around to then run my script on it... I just haven't had time to do it. But I will give me a week.
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cordell12 said:
I had a ****ty instinct too! I bought 2 of them, one for me and one for wife. It was to be the iphone killer! Yeah right I remember they held a app contest, trying to get more developers to make apps for the phone. All that came was a few apps and a bunch of complaining from the dev that sprint wont release code to access things they needed to make the apps work! Frickin Sprint has been screwing people for a loooong time!!! Yet what do I do when its upgrade time? Get the newest POS Maybe next time I will hold out for the release that comes after the "new release" ie, hero/evo Thanks to all the devs who made my and everyones else's hero manageable
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Got one sitting in my dresser drawer aka the phone grave yard was my wifes
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reedsw said:
Or only make a farewell speech... when you are a dev or a themer.
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Lmao! +1234567
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reedsw said:
Or only make a farewell speech... when you are a dev or a themer.
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Lol 10char

Pawned a couple things to buy the Xoom... regret it?/?

so i was finally able to afford the wifi only Xoom, and i knew i wanted it over the ipad. Reason being, I have a HTC Evo and before that i had an HTC Hero.I've rooted them and flashed them with diferent roms,kernels, themes, and all that good stuff that we can do on our "open source" OS that IOS cannot. butttttttttttttt........
after playing with the Xoom for the past 2 days i kind of do not feel satisfied. Main reason for this is the apps.... i love using apps... Android seems to have less than 100 tablet optimized apps and that really sucks for me. its been a month and a half since the release of the xoom.
things making me want to keep it:
-sd card
-very customizible (if thats a word)
-i tethered to evo and it was blazing fast on 3g
-not wanting to be like everyone else that gets an ipad
-eventually i guess.. more free apps
-camera has led flash
-youtube app
etc...
and just because its freekin Android... (gotta love it)
things making me want to get an ipad2:
-currently has more apps
-even though it has lower resolution screen looks better
-faster response when flickin
advice??
ps.
how much longer till we get about 1000 apps?

Serious advice: sell/return it and get the iPad.
Reason for advice: Nevermind that you can use loads of current mobile apps on the Xoom, if what you're looking for is a buttload of tablet apps then an Android tablet is not for you... yet.

the apps will eventually find their way on the xoom and other android tablets. Remember when you first got your Hero how many apps there were? OK there were more than 100 but the number of apps has grown exponentially over the past 2 years as more and more people acquired android smartphones. The same will go for the tablet - and as more and more ppl acquire android tablets the bigger the market for developers and the more apps we will find. Developers will need the honeycomb sdk to optimise their apps for the platform and whenever it gets out to them we will see the number of apps grow exponentially too. It may take another 6 months or so for our favourite android apps to become tablet-optimised.... And what matters to me is not the number of apps but their quality: I don't need 100 fart apps on my tablet and if you look at your smartphone you'd realise you only use a small number of apps (up to 30 maybe?). It is those apps that have to find their way on the tablet platform, I don't care much about the other ones I'll never use. Whenever they do, you'll be far more satisfied with your device. In the end it's all down to us and our commitment to the platform. if there's no market for developers there won't be any quality apps for us to play with.

Or just do what I did and buy a xoom and an iPad 2...
haha

I know I was annoyed that a lot of the non-tablet optimized apps appeared shrunk on the Xoom screen (with the fixed dimensions of a phone); but after downloading Spare Parts and disabling compatibility mode having the apps fill out the entire screen makes these apps look less awkward.

Get the ipad. Android isn't about the apps. Its good because apps aren't needed to make the device functional. Its good because it has a full browser and file system and its good to tinker with. If you simply want apps apps apps then it isn't the platform for you

Wow... i dont want and ipad...but thanks for the encouragement. Lol
Thanks Sejanus for informing me about spare parts... instead of telling me to go buy an Ipad u actually made me love my Xoom even more..
Advantages of having a Xoom are more and better than having an ipad. Like i pointed out in the first post.
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kanyewest said:
Wow... i dont want and ipad...but thanks for the encouragement. Lol
Thanks Sejanus for informing me about spare parts... instead of telling me to go buy an Ipad u actually made me love my Xoom even more..
Advantages of having a Xoom are more and better than having an ipad. Like i pointed out in the first post.
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Hmmm, you also pointed out in the first post that you were not satisfied with the Xoom because of a lack of apps and that one of the reasons you would like to get an iPad was because it had more apps. I'm not seeing your logic in your second post.
I don't have an agenda with a specific OS, people should get what they like.
Anyway, it's good that you're not going down the route of evil

Here's what android 3.0 aka honeycomb will look like soon
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I pawned my baby's crib to get a xoom. He can sleep in the dog's bed.
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Bauxite said:
I pawned my baby's crib to get a xoom. He can sleep in the dog's bed.
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Hahaha epic.
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Bauxite said:
I pawned my baby's crib to get a xoom. He can sleep in the dog's bed.
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I pawned my baby to get my xoom. I wanted a boy anyways...
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Crimton said:
I pawned my baby to get my xoom. I wanted a boy anyways...
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Well, they do say a boy would be easier to raise lol...
But seriously, I think if you need mega apps right now and you can't wait a few more months for Honeycomb apps to appear return the Xoom and get a ipad 2(or even an ipad if you want to go cheaper route), but if you want more then just apps Xoom is what you should keep. Also remember google apps(ex. maps, navigation, etc) will always be perfected on Android before iOS stuff.

I pawned one of my nuts ... hell, God gave me two!

Can I point out that I'm a developer on the android platform and I'm currently working on a Honeycomb app at home, and once we cover the beaurocracy, our company will be releasing honeycomb / tablet optimised apps too.
Also, these apps can and have at times taken 2+ months to build from the ground up.
Honeycomb is a huge difference from previous versions in terms of the application design and workflow.
You need patience for these things. If you want something quick that's optimised specially I'm sure I can throw a couple of apps together, iamrich or a nice multicolour screen torch, or something in 5 minutes...
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alias_neo said:
You need patience for these things. If you want something quick that's optimised specially I'm sure I can throw a couple of apps together, iamrich or a nice multicolour screen torch, or something in 5 minutes...
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Or you can continue to develop really nice children's books I'll keep an eye out for your next publications!

kanyewest said:
things making me want to get an ipad2:
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-faster response when flicking
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I swear ...!

funnycreature said:
Or you can continue to develop really nice children's books I'll keep an eye out for your next publications!
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Thanks funnycreature. The one you tested is released now and we've got 4 more ready to be released in a couple of weeks. Classic stories this time.
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I'm starting to hate this phone

Can someone help me? This phone is really starting to piss me off. Mainly it's the keyboard, I've tried several different keyboards but they're all pure undriven ****.
Ok, maybe not necessarily THAT bad but... First off, I can't type fast on these and my normal typing speed is VERY fast. I'm not sure if it's the ROM or the keyboards. Secondly, does every frakking phone out there have to have a crappy small spacebar with other GARBAGE surrounding it?
Alot of them like periods or commas, or enter keys near the spacebar, granted, this is a really lousy small screen. But after hitting.the.period.key.for.the.50.millionth.time I'm ready to scream and throw my phone against the wall.
Not only that but the keys are small, and I'm constantly hitting the wrong keys and typing some ridiculous word that's completely out of context.
Keyboards I've gotten are:
Adaptxt Beta
Big Buttons Keyboard
Gingerbread Keyboard
SlideIT
Smart Keyboard pro
Lastly... I've yet to find a good rom. The one I'm currently on is Jokersax CM9 July 21st Build. It's ok, but it's not great. It constantly kills apps when they crash in it. Facebook - god forbid I rotate the screen, that'll screw it up for sure. And other such quirks.
I'm about ready to give up on this phone. Any help?
Silvercloak

You do know CM9/CM10 are unstable/testing/experimental ROMs, right? Until Moto releases the appropriate drivers+kernel, don't even think of expecting any stability, despite other people's experience. Other than official Moto firmware, CM7 is the only that can deliver a decent degree of stability.
As for the keyboard... Yes, I do agree it can be annoying. I came from the G1 and its absolutely stunningly awesome hardware keyboard, no soft touchy keyboard in the world could ever dream of topping that. Plus, the screen is pretty roomy for most things but not so much for typing. Because of all this I sometimes get mad at the touchy kbd too, it can really piss me off sometimes. But it's not really that bad, I'm getting used to it. As for your issues, are you sure you're not dealing with a faulty or dying digitizer?

ravilov said:
You do know CM9/CM10 are unstable/testing/experimental ROMs, right? Until Moto releases the appropriate drivers+kernel, don't even think of expecting any stability, despite other people's experience. Other than official Moto firmware, CM7 is the only that can deliver a decent degree of stability.
As for the keyboard... Yes, I do agree it can be annoying. I came from the G1 and its absolutely stunningly awesome hardware keyboard, no soft touchy keyboard in the world could ever dream of topping that. Plus, the screen is pretty roomy for most things but not so much for typing. Because of all this I sometimes get mad at the touchy kbd too, it can really piss me off sometimes. But it's not really that bad, I'm getting used to it. As for your issues, are you sure you're not dealing with a faulty or dying digitizer?
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Yeah I know they're experimental. I used to have Dark Side, then Nottachtrix, and then CM7, and none of them really worked as good as I'd liked. Switch to CM9, but it's not that great either. I just can't find a ROM that's JUST RIGHT... Sigh.
As for the keyboard, who knows, it's only a year and half old, so it'd be a real shame if it's already dying. I think it's more just - there's no good keyboard for the atrix out there, and the screen is just too freaking small. Seriously giving the Samsung Galaxy III some thought.
Silvercloak

Silvercloak5098 said:
Can someone help me? This phone is really starting to piss me off. Mainly it's the keyboard, I've tried several different keyboards but they're all pure undriven ****.
Ok, maybe not necessarily THAT bad but... First off, I can't type fast on these and my normal typing speed is VERY fast. I'm not sure if it's the ROM or the keyboards. Secondly, does every frakking phone out there have to have a crappy small spacebar with other GARBAGE surrounding it?
Alot of them like periods or commas, or enter keys near the spacebar, granted, this is a really lousy small screen. But after hitting.the.period.key.for.the.50.millionth.time I'm ready to scream and throw my phone against the wall.
Not only that but the keys are small, and I'm constantly hitting the wrong keys and typing some ridiculous word that's completely out of context.
Keyboards I've gotten are:
Adaptxt Beta
Big Buttons Keyboard
Gingerbread Keyboard
SlideIT
Smart Keyboard pro
Silvercloak
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I don't know about the other keyboards you've used, but smart keyboard pro is the best I've found with the customization. You can change button height, width, get rid of most buttons surrounding the space bar. Here is my layout which works great for me.
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Silvercloak5098 said:
Can someone help me? This phone is really starting to piss me off. Mainly it's the keyboard, I've tried several different keyboards but they're all pure undriven ****.
Ok, maybe not necessarily THAT bad but... First off, I can't type fast on these and my normal typing speed is VERY fast. I'm not sure if it's the ROM or the keyboards. Secondly, does every frakking phone out there have to have a crappy small spacebar with other GARBAGE surrounding it?
Alot of them like periods or commas, or enter keys near the spacebar, granted, this is a really lousy small screen. But after hitting.the.period.key.for.the.50.millionth.time I'm ready to scream and throw my phone against the wall.
Not only that but the keys are small, and I'm constantly hitting the wrong keys and typing some ridiculous word that's completely out of context.
Keyboards I've gotten are:
Adaptxt Beta
Big Buttons Keyboard
Gingerbread Keyboard
SlideIT
Smart Keyboard pro
Lastly... I've yet to find a good rom. The one I'm currently on is Jokersax CM9 July 21st Build. It's ok, but it's not great. It constantly kills apps when they crash in it. Facebook - god forbid I rotate the screen, that'll screw it up for sure. And other such quirks.
I'm about ready to give up on this phone. Any help?
Silvercloak
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As far as keyboards go, until its most recent update, Swiftkey 3 worked well for me. Now, anytime I start a sentence with certain letters, it thinks I've pushed that letter like 10 times. SSsssssso wwwwwwwwwords look like that. I know it's not the digitizer for me at least, because no other type of keyboard or application has the problem. I just went back to the stock keyboard and the spacebar issues bug me too, but I've learned to get around it.
As far as ROMs go - make your own? This stuff is free and I've had phones with some quirks or bugs from a ROM, but then I remember most of the stuff works and the additional stuff makes it even more worth it. So, let's wait until we get some official ICS and then maybe the CM9/10 stuff will be much more stable.

Swiftkey 3 works perfectly for me.

Swiftkey keyboard is really good. Probably the best apart from the stock jelly bean keyboard. As for the rom, you'll need a gingerbread based rom of you want something stable. I would suggest neutrino which has a huge keyboard
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debt collector said:
Swiftkey keyboard is really good. Probably the best apart from the stock jelly bean keyboard. As for the rom, you'll need a gingerbread based rom of you want something stable. I would suggest neutrino which has a huge keyboard
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I've looked at Neutrino... maybe I'll give it a try tonight, it can't hurt. Thanks for all the keyboard tips everyone!! I'll give both Swiftkey and Smartkeyboard pro another try. Maybe I missed a setting which will save my sanity.

Swype has been a good keyboard for me.

I have been using SwiftKey since SwiftKey X beta and found it really easy to get the hang of, the predictions are really good and it has a large spacebar, I think there is a demo so give it a try, best virtual keyboard I have used. Hopefully some of your other issues will be sorted with the ICS update.
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I really like the stock Motoblur keyboard. I find it more responsive and accurate than the stock keyboards on the other ROMs. Granted, I haven't used any third-party keyboards...

Yeah, the moto kb actually works well. Otherwise I use swype in portrait and SwiftKey 3 in landscape.
Be patient at least until we get an official ics, leak...
I just got an atrix, coming from a desire z. i really really miss the hw kb, and I'm frustrated too because dz roms were much better defined as well.
BUT, the devs here are active and seem to know their stuff. I'm stoked for what they do with an official ics release. I feel like the golden age of the atrix may not be over, but still to come.
Btw, I'm on th3bills aokp milestone 6 release (ics not jb) and I'm pretty happy.
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Try hackers keyboard.
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I'm mostly a Swype user, but swiftkey is well worth the money if you like traditional "tappy" keyboard. With Swype, get the beta from their website not the old version shipping with blur roms.
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You must try jellybeankeyboard pro.the best keyboard i have ever used.
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SwiftKey is brilliant as a non stock keyboard. It improves your tapping with very simple auto correct and punctuation as you type. I have rarely experienced performance issues on any moto, cm7, cm9 or cm10 roms.
If you use an app to monitor your cpu, you should be able to see if there is something causing issues. Apps do misbehave. I recommend System Panel and Better Battery Stats to drill down into the underlying performance.
If you factory wipe, you should not experience any issues with the ROM of your choice. If you do, then you have faulty hardware. Reseatting the ribbon connectors would be the first step. Drinking beer in large quantities is recommended when you do this.
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wOW
I put Neutrino on this afternoon and wow... It's MUCH snappier now and even the default keyboard that comes with it works awesome. I think I'm MUCH happier now!!
Silvercloak

Silvercloak5098 said:
I put Neutrino on this afternoon and wow... It's MUCH snappier now and even the default keyboard that comes with it works awesome. I think I'm MUCH happier now!!
Silvercloak
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So cm7 is your current rom of choice and the factory wipe did the trick. Well done. Neutrino is a fine rom. The only thing I didn't like about his work was lack of charge while off code. I.e. The device has to power up completely in order to charge.
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jjwatmyself said:
So cm7 is your current rom of choice and the factory wipe did the trick. Well done. Neutrino is a fine rom. The only thing I didn't like about his work was lack of charge while off code. I.e. The device has to power up completely in order to charge.
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If what you're saying is correct, a device with Neutrino and a dead battery is a brick.....
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but charging while off is not Rom dependant but kernel dependent (or even lower level than kernel I believe). Nothing is loaded when off....
I have neutrino and it charges just fine, even when off.
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cpl101 said:
If what you're saying is correct, a device with Neutrino and a dead battery is a brick.....
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but charging while off is not Rom dependant but kernel dependent (or even lower level than kernel I believe). Nothing is loaded when off....
I have neutrino and it charges just fine, even when off.
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I may be out of touch on this then as when I was testing Neutrino, charging while off caused the phone to fully boot. I concluded at the time, that he had stripped out the code that handles charging. Glad to hear that has since decided to add back that portion. I do believe however that charging is an Android feature and not related to kernel How else could the pretty battery image display?
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