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Hero vs. EVO Benchmarks

HERO - Darch AOSP OC/JIT
EVO - Unmodified
sorry about the lens it was the first one handy... ... i had taken a few more pics but picasa deleted the rest for me for no reason... oh well...
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anyone care to enlighten me how the hell some people are getting 34megaflops on the EVO... am i doing something wrong... ?

They are getting it because they are testing out Android 2.2 but it's not fully functional. It'll be here eventually.

nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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off topic, what case is that on your Evo?

booyakasha said:
off topic, what case is that on your Evo?
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It's the official HTC 2 piece hard plastic black one side other your choice of red blue titanium... being sold by Sprint

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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Honestly, there can be no way. My Hero was doing 2.1 - 2.4 on Fresh 2.1.1, "factory freaks" idea aside there cannot be phones that perform 10 times better than others of the same kind (using the same software). That would also be claiming a 6 times increase over the EVO when both are on stock ROMs.
I guess it just brings be ye olde saying, "don't believe everything you read on the internet kids".

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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wrx4memp said:
HERO - Darch AOSP OC/JIT
EVO - Unmodified
sorry about the lens it was the first one handy... ... i had taken a few more pics but picasa deleted the rest for me for no reason... oh well...
anyone care to enlighten me how the hell some people are getting 34megaflops on the EVO... am i doing something wrong... ?
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Just curious, I dont understand how youre not completely happy with your evo, numbers aside. I couldnt wait for my evo, been waiting since it was a supersonic, went thru great effort to purchase it the day it came out AND be able to root it as soon as i got it home. Well, @ this point in time imo this device needs nothing other than a few apps,screen protector, and a case. and im a COMPLETE MOD FREAK.Its like the whole time i had my hero i spent it trying to make it into a phone like this........well now i have it I will root once i can reach my custom recovery from the device itself and can delete/write to running system,....I purchased a htc rubberized case(only one they had) and a scratch-proof/privacy screen protector, and man i couldnt be happier with my new EVO, kind of ironic if you actually knew how much modding i did to my hero....my point is that idc if some app said my evo got all zeros and an ipwnd got 100w/e unit of measurement, i could care less. All that matters to me is that it can do what i need to without breaking a sweat.Maybe i dont understand. What do you use your evo for? Maybe some things that i do not perhaps.....Just remember, those who search for flaws, will unfortunately,eventually find them Good luck with your EVO though, hopefully you can find the desired numbers and will than be as satisfied with yours as i am mine

could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine

Magnus, please don't quote such large blocks, and use standard fonts...drives me crazy.
Anyways, better performance on Evo means better utilization of hardware, which each notch up means one step closer to helping those poor battery issues.
Not to mention, who doesn't want a speedier device!?

crazyjoezx said:
could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine
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quadrant is the one with the bar graph. linpack is the one giving you the mflops.

MagnusRagnarok said:
Just curious, I dont understand how youre not completely happy with your evo, numbers aside. I couldnt wait for my evo, been waiting since it was a supersonic, went thru great effort to purchase it the day it came out AND be able to root it as soon as i got it home. Well, @ this point in time imo this device needs nothing other than a few apps,screen protector, and a case. and im a COMPLETE MOD FREAK.Its like the whole time i had my hero i spent it trying to make it into a phone like this........well now i have it I will root once i can reach my custom recovery from the device itself and can delete/write to running system,....I purchased a htc rubberized case(only one they had) and a scratch-proof/privacy screen protector, and man i couldnt be happier with my new EVO, kind of ironic if you actually knew how much modding i did to my hero....my point is that idc if some app said my evo got all zeros and an ipwnd got 100w/e unit of measurement, i could care less. All that matters to me is that it can do what i need to without breaking a sweat.Maybe i dont understand. What do you use your evo for? Maybe some things that i do not perhaps.....Just remember, those who search for flaws, will unfortunately,eventually find them Good luck with your EVO though, hopefully you can find the desired numbers and will than be as satisfied with yours as i am mine
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whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???

crazyjoezx said:
could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine
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1. Quadrant
2. Linpack
3. Neocore

wrx4memp said:
whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???
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Aaaaaand time for everyone to stop and breathe.
Sense will be part of it (sense has provided a LOT of additional functionality behind the scenes that most people don't ever think about...and thusly is kinda on the fat side). The other part of it is potentially the same thing that's killing some of our batteries (The Calendar Wake Lock issue)...if it's running constantly, it's probably eating up some cycles too.

wrx4memp said:
whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???
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right look at the incredible and gsm hero they have sense and higher numbers i think they have jit on some of them though and i cant find a list for evo on linpak

kwajr said:
right look at the incredible and gsm hero they have sense and higher numbers i think they have jit on some of them though and i cant find a list for evo on linpak
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EDIT: Jit cant be enabled with sense ui, as of right now. I heard cyanogen said of a way, but i havent seen it working yet.
When they run linpack and get higher numbers. They arent running sense ui or htc at all.. I as of right now, i have the highest scores for gsm hero and cdma hero that have been posted to the website (we share scores on the linpack website). I had jit enabled running an AOSP rom with an OC kernel, also known has darchdroid.
The incredible might still be running sense ui. But for the hero no.

Bye Bye Vibrant =(

So today I returned my Vibrant and removed my Nexus One from Ebay. It's sad that such a beautiful phone had to be returned but I couldn't cope with some major issues:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
I will miss the screen... it was amazing... along with some of the features of touchwiz. However, the fact that TMobile confirmed that they will be launching an HSPA+ phone this summer makes me feel that much better about waiting to upgrade.

Let me get out my violin.
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Feel better? Goodness it's like at least 5 people have to start this type of thread on every board I visit for any type of device. I can't wait for the usual people to come in and make this a 10 page thread

And when the TMO releases the new HSPA+ phone it will have a plethora of issues on its own, good luck

Just trying to save people the trouble from upgrading from their Nexus if they have one. Thanks for the violin though! ;p

I really don't set the point of these types of posts, so you are unhappy and experience issues that not everyone is. Does that mean I should annoyingly post about how great mine is working? My HD2 gave me problems everyday but I didn't post about it. My slide worked perfectly but I didn't post about it. Again gps is not everyone, I have tried the following apps:
Yelp
Yellow book
Find me
Places directory
Maps
Where
Layers
And google
ALL were able to find my location (locked)
Everything else hasn't happened to my phone yet
So really what is the point in posting that you are returning the phone, because I'm sure you have already posted the problems.
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heygrl said:
Let me get out my violin.
Feel better? Goodness it's like at least 5 people have to start this type of thread on every board I visit for any type of device. I can't wait for the usual people to come in and make this a 10 page thread
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Oh man you should have seen the Evo 4G forums then. This is nothing compared to that.

If i'd've had a N1, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a Vibrant now. N1 to Vibrant is probably not that big an improvement, but G1 (even rooted) to Vibrant is HUGE!

Sorry you didn't like your Vibrant!
I personally have had none of those issues, in fact, I have had not one force close or restart, the phone has been on and running without a single hitch since the day it was released and I picked it up at the T-mobile store.
This has been the best out of box experience I have ever had with a phone, especially one that was just released.

OolonColuphid said:
If i'd've had a N1, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have a Vibrant now. N1 to Vibrant is probably not that big an improvement, but G1 (even rooted) to Vibrant is HUGE!
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This has been the best out of box experience I have ever had with a phone, especially one that was just released.
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I agree on both accounts. When we get 2.2 OTA or mod it will prove to be the best phone available.

Your patience (or lack thereof) got the best of you.phone had only been out a week. Name me one device that was perfect upon release? Take care and cya, I'll enjoy the vibrant for you =)
Sent from my Samsung Vibrant

What he said. ^^^^

DKYang said:
What he said. ^^^^
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lmfao! blah 10 char!

sccpmusc26 said:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
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1. will work after OTA
2. Did you root? Haven't heard of significant issues pre-root
2. thats because it's filled with bulky widgets. Remove a few. I'm running 5 widgets (2 of the samsung ones) and a live wallpaper with no lag (did no lag fixes or anything)
4. Barnacle doesn't work without root. Doesn't work consistently with root because the phone just came out and they haven't added support for it yet. New hardware for a currently unsupported root feature. Hopefully it'll be included in 2.2, but if not, the tether programs should be updated soon.

I think you should have waited before getting the phone in the first place. Nothing come out perfect.

I also purchased the Vibrant to use as a wireless hotspot with my iPad. I am going to give it time. I probably wouldn't have upgraded from an N1 though.

I turned on the phone and I'm not kidding I went straight to ever screen and removed every widget and turned off all but one screen. I mean I really don't need 7 screens when I use the same few apps all the time.
I think the only issue's I've noticed is.
- Camera FC on me once.
- Antenna boucing all over the place signal wise. Full Bars, half bars, no bars. Who knows, but it still works.
I think the only rock solid phone I've ever purchased and it just worked was my old Side Kick. It wasn't fancy or flashy and of course doesn't do half the stuff that these newer phones do.

For me:
Notifications keep phone awake
I get FC when I try to add picture to contact
Slow market (rooted)
Antenna bars jump left and right, but it doesnt seem to effect the signal....

It's a genuine concern. Stop getting so defensive that people are having issues. Not everyone can afford to drop $500+ every two months on the latest and greatest. A new smartphone is an investment, and if it doesn't work as advertised, that's not the fault of the consumer. Also, keep in mind, 14 days is not a lot of time. We don't even know for sure if this is something that Samsung can or will fix.
Some of you are willing to accept that risk, and trust that a fix is coming. That's fine. Some of us are not as bold when it comes to such investments.
So, yes, we may get an announcement, by the 15th day, that everything is going to be fixed and we won't have to worry. But what if that announcement never shows up? What if they just shrug their shoulders and say, "Eh, good enough"?
Well, like I said, $500+ is a lot of money to gamble when it comes to the good faith of a corporation. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a little bit nervous about them supporting this device properly.
I love my Vibrant, save for these reception issues with the various radios. I live in one of the best coverage spots in my city, and I've been having calls go straight to voicemail all week; my GPS takes 5 minutes to even lock, and when it does, the radius is 2-4 blocks wide; the compass does not work at all, and the phone will assume I'm driving and moving when I'm stationary because of these problems. As of today, it does not appear as if either company is acknowledging the issue. That said, if a statement isn't released soon, I'll be returning it to sit on the sidelines until a fix is announced -- as much as I'd miss the display.

sccpmusc26 said:
So today I returned my Vibrant and removed my Nexus One from Ebay. It's sad that such a beautiful phone had to be returned but I couldn't cope with some major issues:
1) GPS (I dont care if there is a fix, it SHOULD work out of the box)
2) Laggy Market
3) Laggy Homescreen
4) Tethering issues (Using barnacle and IPad)
I will miss the screen... it was amazing... along with some of the features of touchwiz. However, the fact that TMobile confirmed that they will be launching an HSPA+ phone this summer makes me feel that much better about waiting to upgrade.
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nick_karstedt said:
1. will work after OTA
2. Did you root? Haven't heard of significant issues pre-root
2. thats because it's filled with bulky widgets. Remove a few. I'm running 5 widgets (2 of the samsung ones) and a live wallpaper with no lag (did no lag fixes or anything)
4. Barnacle doesn't work without root. Doesn't work consistently with root because the phone just came out and they haven't added support for it yet. New hardware for a currently unsupported root feature. Hopefully it'll be included in 2.2, but if not, the tether programs should be updated soon.
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DKYang said:
What he said. ^^^^
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Precisely.
Go start a blog or post on the tmobile forums. Every one of your issues can be solved with patience.
Buhbye.

coolguy949 said:
Oh man you should have seen the Evo 4G forums then. This is nothing compared to that.
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It's just getting started. Not only that, when they return the phone it'll continue to pester on. Oh x -- x and x doesn't work, it's this and that.. no, I haven't exchanged it or I've gotten 5 already and it's not going to be fixed because once I do this, that happens.. and on and on and on and on and on and..

Pawned a couple things to buy the Xoom... regret it?/?

so i was finally able to afford the wifi only Xoom, and i knew i wanted it over the ipad. Reason being, I have a HTC Evo and before that i had an HTC Hero.I've rooted them and flashed them with diferent roms,kernels, themes, and all that good stuff that we can do on our "open source" OS that IOS cannot. butttttttttttttt........
after playing with the Xoom for the past 2 days i kind of do not feel satisfied. Main reason for this is the apps.... i love using apps... Android seems to have less than 100 tablet optimized apps and that really sucks for me. its been a month and a half since the release of the xoom.
things making me want to keep it:
-sd card
-very customizible (if thats a word)
-i tethered to evo and it was blazing fast on 3g
-not wanting to be like everyone else that gets an ipad
-eventually i guess.. more free apps
-camera has led flash
-youtube app
etc...
and just because its freekin Android... (gotta love it)
things making me want to get an ipad2:
-currently has more apps
-even though it has lower resolution screen looks better
-faster response when flickin
advice??
ps.
how much longer till we get about 1000 apps?

Serious advice: sell/return it and get the iPad.
Reason for advice: Nevermind that you can use loads of current mobile apps on the Xoom, if what you're looking for is a buttload of tablet apps then an Android tablet is not for you... yet.

the apps will eventually find their way on the xoom and other android tablets. Remember when you first got your Hero how many apps there were? OK there were more than 100 but the number of apps has grown exponentially over the past 2 years as more and more people acquired android smartphones. The same will go for the tablet - and as more and more ppl acquire android tablets the bigger the market for developers and the more apps we will find. Developers will need the honeycomb sdk to optimise their apps for the platform and whenever it gets out to them we will see the number of apps grow exponentially too. It may take another 6 months or so for our favourite android apps to become tablet-optimised.... And what matters to me is not the number of apps but their quality: I don't need 100 fart apps on my tablet and if you look at your smartphone you'd realise you only use a small number of apps (up to 30 maybe?). It is those apps that have to find their way on the tablet platform, I don't care much about the other ones I'll never use. Whenever they do, you'll be far more satisfied with your device. In the end it's all down to us and our commitment to the platform. if there's no market for developers there won't be any quality apps for us to play with.

Or just do what I did and buy a xoom and an iPad 2...
haha

I know I was annoyed that a lot of the non-tablet optimized apps appeared shrunk on the Xoom screen (with the fixed dimensions of a phone); but after downloading Spare Parts and disabling compatibility mode having the apps fill out the entire screen makes these apps look less awkward.

Get the ipad. Android isn't about the apps. Its good because apps aren't needed to make the device functional. Its good because it has a full browser and file system and its good to tinker with. If you simply want apps apps apps then it isn't the platform for you

Wow... i dont want and ipad...but thanks for the encouragement. Lol
Thanks Sejanus for informing me about spare parts... instead of telling me to go buy an Ipad u actually made me love my Xoom even more..
Advantages of having a Xoom are more and better than having an ipad. Like i pointed out in the first post.
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kanyewest said:
Wow... i dont want and ipad...but thanks for the encouragement. Lol
Thanks Sejanus for informing me about spare parts... instead of telling me to go buy an Ipad u actually made me love my Xoom even more..
Advantages of having a Xoom are more and better than having an ipad. Like i pointed out in the first post.
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Hmmm, you also pointed out in the first post that you were not satisfied with the Xoom because of a lack of apps and that one of the reasons you would like to get an iPad was because it had more apps. I'm not seeing your logic in your second post.
I don't have an agenda with a specific OS, people should get what they like.
Anyway, it's good that you're not going down the route of evil

Here's what android 3.0 aka honeycomb will look like soon
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I pawned my baby's crib to get a xoom. He can sleep in the dog's bed.
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I pawned my baby's crib to get a xoom. He can sleep in the dog's bed.
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Hahaha epic.
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I pawned my baby's crib to get a xoom. He can sleep in the dog's bed.
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I pawned my baby to get my xoom. I wanted a boy anyways...
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Crimton said:
I pawned my baby to get my xoom. I wanted a boy anyways...
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Well, they do say a boy would be easier to raise lol...
But seriously, I think if you need mega apps right now and you can't wait a few more months for Honeycomb apps to appear return the Xoom and get a ipad 2(or even an ipad if you want to go cheaper route), but if you want more then just apps Xoom is what you should keep. Also remember google apps(ex. maps, navigation, etc) will always be perfected on Android before iOS stuff.

I pawned one of my nuts ... hell, God gave me two!

Can I point out that I'm a developer on the android platform and I'm currently working on a Honeycomb app at home, and once we cover the beaurocracy, our company will be releasing honeycomb / tablet optimised apps too.
Also, these apps can and have at times taken 2+ months to build from the ground up.
Honeycomb is a huge difference from previous versions in terms of the application design and workflow.
You need patience for these things. If you want something quick that's optimised specially I'm sure I can throw a couple of apps together, iamrich or a nice multicolour screen torch, or something in 5 minutes...
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alias_neo said:
You need patience for these things. If you want something quick that's optimised specially I'm sure I can throw a couple of apps together, iamrich or a nice multicolour screen torch, or something in 5 minutes...
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Or you can continue to develop really nice children's books I'll keep an eye out for your next publications!

kanyewest said:
things making me want to get an ipad2:
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-faster response when flicking
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I swear ...!

funnycreature said:
Or you can continue to develop really nice children's books I'll keep an eye out for your next publications!
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Thanks funnycreature. The one you tested is released now and we've got 4 more ready to be released in a couple of weeks. Classic stories this time.
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Is CM7 too good?

So I just got CM7 beta installed and the communications lady at my place of business comes to my desk and says "Oh, you have the Atrix? Do you want me to order you a lapdock for it?"
Sucks to be me, right?
I had her order the thing because we are doing a lot of cool stuff with citrix receiver and how awesome would it be if I could have an atrix running Windows via citrix reciever
But now -- I cant bring myself to remove CM7. I've thought about it many times.
I've been in recovery with my finger hovering over the button to flash back to stock GB
But I love CM7 too much. I don't want to go back to blur.
It would be like -- having an Atrix and the someone telling you you had to use this HTC Incredible 2 instead.
I think I have the solution. I am going to go back to the communications lady and request a 2nd Atrix -- for testing purposes only of course.

capnsouth said:
So I just got CM7 beta installed and the communications lady at my place of business comes to my desk and says "Oh, you have the Atrix? Do you want me to order you a lapdock for it?"
Sucks to be me, right?
I had her order the thing because we are doing a lot of cool stuff with citrix receiver and how awesome would it be if I could have an atrix running Windows via citrix reciever
But now -- I cant bring myself to remove CM7. I've thought about it many times.
I've been in recovery with my finger hovering over the button to flash back to stock GB
But I love CM7 too much. I don't want to go back to blur.
It's would be like -- having an Atrix and the someone telling you you had to use this HTC Incredible 2 instead.
I think I have the solution. I am going to go back to the communications lady and request a 2nd Atrix -- for testing purposes only of course.
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Yeah, that or sell the laptop dock
Webtop will most likely be working once the dev team release a RC build. But who knows how long that may be.
What company do you work at, where they just hand out laptop docks? that's awsome.
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Swiftks said:
Yeah, that or sell the laptop dock
What company do you work at, where they just hand out laptop docks? that's awsome.
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Can't sell it since it's technically a company asset.
I won't broadcast the exact company for CYA reasons, but I will say that I work in IT at one of the major American Pizza corporations.
Free pizza + Free tech = winning combo

cool story bro

sanriver12 said:
cool story bro
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How long have you been waiting to say that to someone?

Flash Aura!..............Fantastic ROM!

capnsouth said:
How long have you been waiting to say that to someone?
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Since he saw it in another post.
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Seriously, I have the same problem. I keep going back and forth.
I like CM7, but I actually miss some of the crap that Moto put in the Atrix rom. And the webtop. Most of the time it's fairly useless, but when I need it, it's golden. And the Citrix Receiver is awesome, I have fun explaining to everyone that the phone is the laptop (just like those stupid ads).

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Citrix Receiver is awesome, I have fun explaining to everyone that the phone is the laptop (just like those stupid ads).
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+1 for citrix receiver being awesome. People are blown away when I launch photoshop in 3 seconds because its being run by a quad core xeon with 16GB Ram

Clienterror said:
Since he saw it in another post.
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OMFG. Do you have job openings? I can do marketing. Will work for free tech and free pizza.

I don't see what the CM7 rave is all about. I've had too many Android phones to list and I tried CM on all of them. It serves a good purpose for phones which are slow to get updated or don't have any good custom roms, but I don't see the purpose with the Atrix as I felt the same way with the Evo and Evo 3D. The loss of certain functionality isn't worth it in my opinion. I don't have a lapdock, but being able to go somewhere and plug in the HDMI and have an easy no nonsense way of playing music, videos and pictures. Motoblur is not intrusive either like Sense can be at times.
I'm just offering my opinion and not trying to start an arguement, but I truely want to know why so many people "must" use it. Am I missing something? I used it for two days until I went to watch a movie and only had HDMI mirroring with no landscape support. I must say battery life and performance was great, but it's not bad on Alien rom either though.

For informations, I really like that
Searching the web and accompanying the operation with a friend, I see that there are some outstanding issues to resolve, as the case of battery and FM radio. But, in the future, I wish to install on my Xperia X10 Mini Pro.

rquinn19 said:
I must say battery life and performance was great, but it's not bad on Alien rom either though.
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CM7 just seems snappier, Im guessing because there are fewer processes running. That being said, I ran Alien prior to CM7 and I have been running Alien ever since I originally posted this (i caved because I really wanted to try out the lapdock) and I agree, That rom is very fast compared to the stock GB, thanks to kennethpen's work.

Keep in mind its still beta
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rquinn19 said:
I don't see what the CM7 rave is all about. I've had too many Android phones to list and I tried CM on all of them. It serves a good purpose for phones which are slow to get updated or don't have any good custom roms, but I don't see the purpose with the Atrix as I felt the same way with the Evo and Evo 3D. The loss of certain functionality isn't worth it in my opinion. I don't have a lapdock, but being able to go somewhere and plug in the HDMI and have an easy no nonsense way of playing music, videos and pictures. Motoblur is not intrusive either like Sense can be at times.
I'm just offering my opinion and not trying to start an arguement, but I truely want to know why so many people "must" use it. Am I missing something? I used it for two days until I went to watch a movie and only had HDMI mirroring with no landscape support. I must say battery life and performance was great, but it's not bad on Alien rom either though.
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Completely agreed. I admit I use it for phones like the BACKFLIP and the CLIQ XT. Phones that are slow and buggy stock and need to be cleaned up or have major driver/coding issues. But the atrix? Stock 2.3.4 rooted debloated is an absolute dream: silky smooth, insanely fast, and 20 hour battery life. And lapdock STILL works.
I think it's kind of like Google Chrome or Firefox. Even though IE9 flies and does everything correctly on win 7 ultimate x64 and a quadcore with a good graphics card...people still use Chrome or Firefox. Just that whole rebellious don't let the man put you down type mentality.

againareku said:
Completely agreed. I admit I use it for phones like the BACKFLIP and the CLIQ XT. Phones that are slow and buggy stock and need to be cleaned up or have major driver/coding issues. But the atrix? Stock 2.3.4 rooted debloated is an absolute dream: silky smooth, insanely fast, and 20 hour battery life. And lapdock STILL works.
I think it's kind of like Google Chrome or Firefox. Even though IE9 flies and does everything correctly on win 7 ultimate x64 and a quadcore with a good graphics card...people still use Chrome or Firefox. Just that whole rebellious don't let the man put you down type mentality.
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That and Chrome is a bizzillion times faster than IE, and a bizzillion times lighter on system resources than IE.... kinda like CM7
A BIZZILLION!!!!
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i like cm7 because chainfire runs perfect,
in all the others gb roms if i install the app every time i revert to portrait from landscape screen becomes crazy full of artifacts...
and of course booting up in less than 40 sec with 120 app installed...incredible!

Swiftks said:
That and Chrome is a bizzillion times faster than IE, and a bizzillion times lighter on system resources than IE.... kinda like CM7
A BIZZILLION!!!!
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except IE9 is so much better when it comes to css3 and gpu aided html5. and other than that, almost the exact same resources footprint. oh, and try twitter on chrome and look at your cpu load, then do it on ie9 and compare..also..ie9 doesn't change my registry, chrome does, in many ways, and they DON'T TELL YOU IT DOES.
if it's really about speed, opera destroys chrome, firefox, and IE.
and if it's about usability, I've never seen a better browser than safari.
can't really say anything about CM7. At this point I simply don't see why I want it on my atrix. the new blur launcher is way lighter than adw.

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except IE9 is so much better when it comes to css3 and gpu aided html5. and other than that, almost the exact same resources footprint. oh, and try twitter on chrome and look at your cpu load, then do it on ie9 and compare..also..ie9 doesn't change my registry, chrome does, in many ways, and they DON'T TELL YOU IT DOES.
if it's really about speed, opera destroys chrome, firefox, and IE.
and if it's about usability, I've never seen a better browser than safari.
can't really say anything about CM7. At this point I simply don't see why I want it on my atrix. the new blur launcher is way lighter than adw.
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The beauty of Android is that you don't have to use the packaged launcher if you don't like it. That goes for any ROM that packages a non stock Android launcher.
The nice thing about CM7, besides being one of the more popular ROMs, is that there are a lot of developers for it and in most cases it runs better than the stock ROM. When the vendor stops supporting the phone, the CM devs keep going.
I've used CM across 3 different phones and in all cases it was superior to stock, even on my Atrix which is still in beta. Now I do miss the fingerprint reader and having audio out work through the car dock but these will eventually get added.

Gripes... ICS more like iOS?

Ok so I just switched from CM7 on wonderful Gingerbread, to this ICS gabbage since CM7 isn't supported anymore by atinm I figure I would switch....
Well what the freak... i'm just gonna make a small list and correct me if i'm wrong on any of this...
First off, why is it anytime I download anything from the market I automatically get a shortcut on my home screen. I'm sorry I have an app drawer, if I was dumb enough to want my screen to always look cluttered I would have bought an IPhone to begin with.
Second, whats with the widgets now... They are joking right? What was wrong with holding down the home screen... It was more simple... Now I go into my apps and see there is a danged column for widgets. Stupid or what?
Third is messaging... At least in gingerbread I could change the background between black and white. Now it's blistering killer white.. Who said everyone likes white!?!?! Must be an apple thing.
Fourth.. I cannot, cannot cannot seem to get rid of the Google Search bar at the top of my main page. WTF I don't want want you there, go away!!!
To me it seems like ICS is trying to be something like Apple... Why I don't know, and I don't like it... but at least the GPS locks in a second or two everytime...

sir, i will say this once. and once only.
use the search button.
1st off, there's a option in the market to stop the shortcuts from happening.
second, just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean others don't either. I LOVE it. and i'm sure theres more that like it than there is that don't.
thirdly, You're on android go find yourself another messaging app if you don't like the default.
fourth, Not sure if it still works but settings>apps>google search> disable should do it.

1. There's an option in the android market for the new apps installed not to go to your home screen.
2. The only way to solve this is to use a 3rd party launcher.
3. I really don't know what to tell you here... Try another messaging app?
4. In the preferences, there's an option so the Google search will not be on your home screen.

Well jwleonhart,
It's more of your poor piss attitude, calling ICS garbage and other stuff like that.
But seriously, if you searched any ICS topic, you would have found that messaging app, you would have found out how to disable the google search bar, and you would have found out about another ICS launcher named Nova that has the hold for widgets feature.
Ever heard the phrase if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing at all... Keep it to yourself bro.
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Ever heard of hypocrisy, which is exactly what you are doing right now. If you have nothing nice to say, then don't start a thread calling ICS GARBAGE. Also, in a thread about how great our SuperAmoled screen is you call it sucky compared to other phones. Does not sound like that is particularly nice.
Seriously, xrider66 is much more right in his rant than you are.

This thread is the best.
I dont like a lot of things about ICS either, but what the hell does anyone give a damn about my opinion. A lot of people fail to realize that what THEY think, is not what EVERYONE thinks.
This is funny ----->
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Third is messaging... At least in gingerbread I could change the background between black and white. Now it's blistering killer white.. Who said everyone likes white!?!?! Must be an apple thing.
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So to snowball off of this point of yours, who said everyone likes inverted?? ignorant.
OS features/framework are calculated, and at least attempted to be based on majority appeal. why the hell would they release something that nobody likes? the reality is, they cant make everybody happy, all they can do is try to make as many people happy as possible.
Google didn't become a powerhouse by accident.
your OP sucks, it can pretty much be simplified down to "wahh wahhwahh wahhhh...fix everything for me and tailor everything to my liking!". YOUR type of attitude is the type that has trashed the Vibrant forum, and is precisely why devs HATE us. Youre the type who jumps into a ROM thread and says something like "can you please make the notification text yellow, it would go better with my theme. also, my phone is laggy, can you please fix this?"
if you dont like something, dont use it. i flashed ICS this morning, gave it a fair shot, its not up to my personal standards so i reverted. wow, that was hard.

jwleonhart said:
Ok so I just switched from CM7 on wonderful Gingerbread, to this ICS gabbage since CM7 isn't supported anymore by atinm I figure I would switch....
Well what the freak... i'm just gonna make a small list and correct me if i'm wrong on any of this...
First off, why is it anytime I download anything from the market I automatically get a shortcut on my home screen. I'm sorry I have an app drawer, if I was dumb enough to want my screen to always look cluttered I would have bought an IPhone to begin with.
Second, whats with the widgets now... They are joking right? What was wrong with holding down the home screen... It was more simple... Now I go into my apps and see there is a danged column for widgets. Stupid or what?
Third is messaging... At least in gingerbread I could change the background between black and white. Now it's blistering killer white.. Who said everyone likes white!?!?! Must be an apple thing.
Fourth.. I cannot, cannot cannot seem to get rid of the Google Search bar at the top of my main page. WTF I don't want want you there, go away!!!
To me it seems like ICS is trying to be something like Apple... Why I don't know, and I don't like it... but at least the GPS locks in a second or two everytime...
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You sir are an ^ss.
Instead of asking for a solution to the things you prefer different, you call ICS garbage and ***** and moan and rant.
All four things you listed have ways to make ICS the way you *****ed about wanting but you could not take the time to look.
If you can't be polite in your OP do not expect anyone to be polite to you.
May a thousand camel fleas descend upon you.

haha.. no one should have helped him in the first place because of his whining but calling him out is acceptable.

seems the tables have turned hmm?
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Looking at this thread I thought, "A great man once said..."
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I find this thread difficult to masturbate to.
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Vibrant section at its best...

Its "gabbage." (Garbage? Cabbage? A mix of the two?) I can't help but read the rest of the OP with a thick Boston accent.
All your inquiries have been answered there OP with the acception of the mms apk, unless I missed that response.. And if you go dig around the nexus s forums, you will find an inverted mms apk for ICS that works beautifully.
Also, if you bothered to read the ICS threads, its mentioned more than once.
Reading is FUNdamental!
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And Gasp! IOS is becoming more like android? WHEN WILL THIS INSANITY END!
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For a few things I did search for the shortcut to the market and didn't find anything until the answer here.
Second, i'm simply asking a question and seeing how other people feel on that subject also. I've seen Nova and I just am at a loss personally and from what a few others have said, why the widgets would be squashed in with the apps, this isn't really a tablet..
I was A) looking for answers to my questions, and B)looking to see how others felt.
I didn't come on here to go "Whaa whaa" either, i'm simply stating things I see..
Who said everyone wants a black MMS? Nobody said that... but who said everyone wants white!?!? At least with Gingerbread there was the OPTION to change it, why not KEEP that option instead of DO AWAY WITH IT? I do kinda have a point there right? They deleted a feature instead of adding one in that sense.
If this whole thread is gonna turn into an arguement it may be better that this thread just be closed... Children run around on this forum all too much. Everyone has to open their mouths and turn a topix into an arguement.
And I said our AMOLED screen is outdated and old compared to newer phones. It is, it's old... face a fact.
ali1276 said:
Well jwleonhart,
It's more of your poor piss attitude, calling ICS garbage and other stuff like that.
But seriously, if you searched any ICS topic, you would have found that messaging app, you would have found out how to disable the google search bar, and you would have found out about another ICS launcher named Nova that has the hold for widgets feature.
Ever heard of hypocrisy, which is exactly what you are doing right now. If you have nothing nice to say, then don't start a thread calling ICS GARBAGE. Also, in a thread about how great our SuperAmoled screen is you call it sucky compared to other phones. Does not sound like that is particularly nice.
Seriously, xrider66 is much more right in his rant than you are.
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Someone on their computer just report this thread and get it closed.
The guy got his answers , we all expressed our opinions and its all good now.
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Why don't you do that then?
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Someone on their computer just report this thread and get it closed.
The guy got his answers , we all expressed our opinions and its all good now.
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It's getting closed? One last post then...
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jwleonhart said:
Why don't you do that then?
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Ffs that's why I said someone on their computer I'm not near one.
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See ya!

So go get to one whats wrong with you?
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Ffs that's why I said someone on their computer I'm not near one.
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jwleonhart said:
So go get to one whats wrong with you?
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...god damn it.
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