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Hero vs. EVO Benchmarks

HERO - Darch AOSP OC/JIT
EVO - Unmodified
sorry about the lens it was the first one handy... ... i had taken a few more pics but picasa deleted the rest for me for no reason... oh well...
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anyone care to enlighten me how the hell some people are getting 34megaflops on the EVO... am i doing something wrong... ?

They are getting it because they are testing out Android 2.2 but it's not fully functional. It'll be here eventually.

nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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off topic, what case is that on your Evo?

booyakasha said:
off topic, what case is that on your Evo?
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It's the official HTC 2 piece hard plastic black one side other your choice of red blue titanium... being sold by Sprint

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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Honestly, there can be no way. My Hero was doing 2.1 - 2.4 on Fresh 2.1.1, "factory freaks" idea aside there cannot be phones that perform 10 times better than others of the same kind (using the same software). That would also be claiming a 6 times increase over the EVO when both are on stock ROMs.
I guess it just brings be ye olde saying, "don't believe everything you read on the internet kids".

wrx4memp said:
nope... people are reporting 34mflops on the unmodified sprint evo on 2.1... ill have to find the post where and who said that...
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wrx4memp said:
HERO - Darch AOSP OC/JIT
EVO - Unmodified
sorry about the lens it was the first one handy... ... i had taken a few more pics but picasa deleted the rest for me for no reason... oh well...
anyone care to enlighten me how the hell some people are getting 34megaflops on the EVO... am i doing something wrong... ?
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Just curious, I dont understand how youre not completely happy with your evo, numbers aside. I couldnt wait for my evo, been waiting since it was a supersonic, went thru great effort to purchase it the day it came out AND be able to root it as soon as i got it home. Well, @ this point in time imo this device needs nothing other than a few apps,screen protector, and a case. and im a COMPLETE MOD FREAK.Its like the whole time i had my hero i spent it trying to make it into a phone like this........well now i have it I will root once i can reach my custom recovery from the device itself and can delete/write to running system,....I purchased a htc rubberized case(only one they had) and a scratch-proof/privacy screen protector, and man i couldnt be happier with my new EVO, kind of ironic if you actually knew how much modding i did to my hero....my point is that idc if some app said my evo got all zeros and an ipwnd got 100w/e unit of measurement, i could care less. All that matters to me is that it can do what i need to without breaking a sweat.Maybe i dont understand. What do you use your evo for? Maybe some things that i do not perhaps.....Just remember, those who search for flaws, will unfortunately,eventually find them Good luck with your EVO though, hopefully you can find the desired numbers and will than be as satisfied with yours as i am mine

could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine

Magnus, please don't quote such large blocks, and use standard fonts...drives me crazy.
Anyways, better performance on Evo means better utilization of hardware, which each notch up means one step closer to helping those poor battery issues.
Not to mention, who doesn't want a speedier device!?

crazyjoezx said:
could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine
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quadrant is the one with the bar graph. linpack is the one giving you the mflops.

MagnusRagnarok said:
Just curious, I dont understand how youre not completely happy with your evo, numbers aside. I couldnt wait for my evo, been waiting since it was a supersonic, went thru great effort to purchase it the day it came out AND be able to root it as soon as i got it home. Well, @ this point in time imo this device needs nothing other than a few apps,screen protector, and a case. and im a COMPLETE MOD FREAK.Its like the whole time i had my hero i spent it trying to make it into a phone like this........well now i have it I will root once i can reach my custom recovery from the device itself and can delete/write to running system,....I purchased a htc rubberized case(only one they had) and a scratch-proof/privacy screen protector, and man i couldnt be happier with my new EVO, kind of ironic if you actually knew how much modding i did to my hero....my point is that idc if some app said my evo got all zeros and an ipwnd got 100w/e unit of measurement, i could care less. All that matters to me is that it can do what i need to without breaking a sweat.Maybe i dont understand. What do you use your evo for? Maybe some things that i do not perhaps.....Just remember, those who search for flaws, will unfortunately,eventually find them Good luck with your EVO though, hopefully you can find the desired numbers and will than be as satisfied with yours as i am mine
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whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???

crazyjoezx said:
could you list the apps you ran these in?..looks interesting , i would love to test mine
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1. Quadrant
2. Linpack
3. Neocore

wrx4memp said:
whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???
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Aaaaaand time for everyone to stop and breathe.
Sense will be part of it (sense has provided a LOT of additional functionality behind the scenes that most people don't ever think about...and thusly is kinda on the fat side). The other part of it is potentially the same thing that's killing some of our batteries (The Calendar Wake Lock issue)...if it's running constantly, it's probably eating up some cycles too.

wrx4memp said:
whoaaaaa buddy... sorry you take such offense to anyone knocking a product you own... but you sound like you should own an iphone rather than an evo... where do you see me complaining about evo being bad... ??? just an fyi... ive used and abused more phones than you can imagine... and thus far the evo is one of the best if not the best...
you have about another 3 days or so till steve jobs pulls out the iPhone HD... at WWDC 2010... then you will have more and more people knocking the EVO... so be prepared...
mad did i digress... anyway... droids and nexuses with 2.2 running cyanogenMOD are in the 40-50mflop range and even the ancient g1 is in the 12-15mflop range... what is it thats keeping our EVOs down... all the non-sense that HTC added cant be this taxing on the EVO... ???
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right look at the incredible and gsm hero they have sense and higher numbers i think they have jit on some of them though and i cant find a list for evo on linpak

kwajr said:
right look at the incredible and gsm hero they have sense and higher numbers i think they have jit on some of them though and i cant find a list for evo on linpak
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EDIT: Jit cant be enabled with sense ui, as of right now. I heard cyanogen said of a way, but i havent seen it working yet.
When they run linpack and get higher numbers. They arent running sense ui or htc at all.. I as of right now, i have the highest scores for gsm hero and cdma hero that have been posted to the website (we share scores on the linpack website). I had jit enabled running an AOSP rom with an OC kernel, also known has darchdroid.
The incredible might still be running sense ui. But for the hero no.

Cyanogen 6.0. Is it way over rated?

Here is a question for everyone. It's not a trolling question, nor is it designed to provoke anger. As a faithfull user of cyanogen 6 since its inception (nightly updates, RC1, RC2, and Full) Lets boil this down.
Things that work:
1. Its fast as hell.
2. No sense (makes it fast as hell).
3. Highly customizable
4. ADW tweaks are nice.
5. Feel free to add something else in here.
6. Nice screen rotation for car mounting.
7. Oh ya....its fast as hell and, as has been posted in here a million times, "...is buttery smooth."
Things that still don't work at all or work well:
1. HDMI
2. 4G
3. Radio
4. MMS with picture or voice (tried it again yesterday)
5. Voicemail issues (we all know what they are)
So......essentially....except for some modest, user appreciable "non-sense" speed boosts....this ROM actually removes some pretty darn important features.
Explain the logic of this to me?
Cyanogen has done excellent work. I am not trying to squelch that, but he (and his team) seem to be unable to resolve issues EVO users should and do find important.
With the new sense roms out there and their subsequent kernal releases, they perform, user appreciably, nearly the same as this rom with all the above MAJOR FUNCTIONS working. (Linpak, FPS2d, and Quadrant scores for which I can reproduce screen shots)
So, you get a fast rom with few of exceptional functions / features this phone is capable of.
Do you think maybe....the rom is a crutch for the phone.
Just one man's humble opinion. Maybe further versions with the important features useable will kick butt. For now......Come on. What is the obsession?
Would someone please explain my confusion on this seemingly obvious question.
So....Ill keep it as a nandroid backup. For what? I don't know.
-JZ

Pro: Stagefright AAC decoding patch implemented in CM6
Con: Bluetooth prevents phone from sleeping

I agree.. seems ridiculous to me. I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

I don't really want to get nit picky, but I agree with your points, and it's personally not the rom for me. At least not in its current state.

Didn't you post this in the CM6 thread?

all the features in cm6 currently PWN 4g and hdmi. for those that other are either fooling theirselves or havent really actually played with the rom
-i mean really, hdmi is nice, but you cant even use it to its full extent now...why waste the time? a saying that comes to mind "if you gonna do something, do it big" or "why halfass when you'll just have to come back and finish it up later"
sorry i just dont think a HALF working hdmi in sense or even stock roms for that matter are worth bragging about.
-4g is NICE, however its only ONE phone that has this option as of right now (excluding the samsung epic that just launched today). It makes NO sense at all to focus on a feature that is only exclusive to ONE phone...not to mention the code for 4g is intricately woven into Sense, so it takes some time to remove and code for it
-Radio? Seriously? It just seems like yer being a hater here.... I do realize having the FM radio is nice and all....but even in the stock roms you have to have gay ass headphones.
With all the pandora radio, stitcher radio and other podcast..... is it REALLY that big of a deal? i think not especially since i dont have to be on a leash with headphones and can play through my speaker
-NO other rom has a higher bitpool for bluetooth aka if you use a2dp to stream to your car's stereo...unless your using cm6.... your stream is gonna sound like ****!!! This is a BIGGGG feature
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
as far as the voicemail...i dont use sprint's voicemail on this phone....i link it to my gvoice....but i can definitely understand the frustration not being able to get to your vmail.
i guess people like cm6 because it pwns and own all while not being a bloatware king and slowing **** down

ya....i wasn't sure where the "most appropriate" place to post it was. You know how folks won't answer your question/quandry, but rather say, "this isn't the appropriate place for this." So....pre-empting that I posted it in both places in case one gets deleted.

They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.

it pwns? with modest appreciable speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
4g, hdmi, (ill give you the radio), mms (not sending messages with photos or sound or both attached) are not little things. Also....if you have a decent HDMI set it will recognize the settings and accomodate....so come on. OBJECTIVE not SUBJECTIVE.
The sense roms have comprable linpak, quadrant, and BETTER fps2d scores.
Im not hating....just posting OBJECTIVE findings.

rubixmaster said:
They do great work for other phones, but I think the EVO 4G was just to complex.
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My thoughts exactly.

Nope.
HDMI? Why would I want that in a phone?
4G? I'm not in a 4g area.
Radio? Haha.. why? It never worked right for me anyway and my Zune gets better reception.
MMS - I sent my wife a picture just yesterday. No issues there.
VM - I use GV and always have. No issues.

jasonziter said:
it pwns? with modest speed increases (seriously.....post some objective data for me....not subjective)?
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Bro, I'm not going to do research for you. If you haven't already, flash CM6 final on your phone. If it doesn't fly compared to a Sense ROM, you are doing something wrong or you need to return your phone.

goodelyfe said:
and whas the issue with MMS? the 160 char limit thing? I dont seem to suffer from that problem....maybe its a hit or miss?
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That is SMS (aka texting) and the 160 character limit is the CDMA technology limit, has nothing to do with a ROM. MMS (aka picture/multimedia mail) is what he is referring to. But I'm not sure exactly what problems he's referring to, because I though MMS worked fine on my phone when I had CM on it.
You feel it is faster by far then other roms, that is your opinion, hard factual numbers do not necessarily agree with you. I didn't want to get into the nit picky, as I stated before, because honestly I respect CM for doing things I could never dream of doing. But your post reads as if a one sided defensive retort. Prove him wrong in his stance, saying it feels faster does not do so, because that is one of it's few claims to fame.
And yes, I've run multiple nightlies, and ran RC1, I did not care for any of them enough to keep me around long. I am waiting however for 6.1 and look forward to trying it out.

Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.

jasonziter said:
Thats it......too complex. I can't think of anything else. The argument that
1 there really isnt that much 4g out there
2 HDMI really doesnt work
3 who really sends pics / voice MMS anyhow.
4 are you really using your FM radio (no.....im not but thats not the point in the whole picture)
5 voicemail issues - just move to SOMTHING ELSE (gvoice etc)
These are poor agrguments. Post objective findings on why Cyanogen 6.0 for the EVO is such a better rom. Give me some FreakEvo vs Cyanogen quadrant photos (what ever kernal you like to use). Set cpu settings equal and EVO switch settings equal.
Post some photos. Show me why CM6 is better. Don't show me emotionally.....show me with objective data. Then.....ill understand the "non-sense" and stop my silly confusion. Thats my whole point with my silly quandry. I really DO like CM6...I just want the features my phone is capable of (which.....most of them I do use...) to work.
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You're asking him to do the testing to back up his point, when you're the one with the challenge?
BUT
I might have just found something I'm interested in and maybe I'll do the testing you're asking for today during my afternoon at work.
Fresh installed FreakEvo and Fresh CM 6.0 running the gambit.

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lol dude!!! lol 'dont show me emotionally'
it seems you and maybe another are the ones who are getting upset/emotional
lol
you ask us our opinions, then you 'attack' us for them.....and your rebuttal is back it up with objective data....
dude its not that serious.
"you can lead a horse to the water well..... "

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I understand your curiosity about what makes it measurably better, but I don't undestand what makes you think anyone would be motivated to win you over..
I love CM6 and am very happy to be running it on my phone, it's smooth and reliable and I'm happy with it. I could give a **** if you like it or decide to start using it.
If you don't see the value, and if you prefere a sense based rom then use a sense based rom. If you want to know the difference then flash them both and run your objective tests and share the results with the community. It would be interesting to know but I don't forsee anyone providing you with this data in an attempt to convince you to become a CM6 user.
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?

Zergburger that is a mighty quadrant score indeed. What were you OC'ed to in that?

nebenezer said:
You want some objective data? CM is powered by unicorns.. does it get any better than that?
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^this^ lol

Goodbye Hero. Im not going to miss you.

Good bye hero. Thanks for...
1.) Random calls
2.) Lagging keyboard
3.) Force closing
4.) Overheating on wifi tether
5.) Never downloading anything from market until i turned wifi on/off.
6.) Always lagging so I end up not redialing someone, but dialing the last person I called/ who called me.
7.) ****ing bootlooping whenever i try jit or any jit rom
8.) Not supporting better porn sites
9.) Not printing money or making me an island and flying me there.
Thank you Htc Evo for...
1.) Everything

The evo prints money and puts you on islands? Damn I can't wait to upgrade!
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1) No random calls - front pocket has been nice to me so far, plus adding a lockscreen or disabling Menu(x2) to unlock seems to work as well
2) Swype, Dvorak, Swiftkey ftw
3) could be a whole array of different things related to the rom, kernel, app, etc.
4) errybody hates this you could try a handheld fan
5) lolwut probably a google talk issue
6) Mhm, mhm. wait a second.. "I end up not redialing someone" -> "Dialing the last person I called/who called me" What's your definition of redialing?
7) Jit'ing only feels good if you do it sparingly, otherwise you start to slow down and eventually your phone becomes impotent when it comes to jit
8) you're lonely.. we've all been there. Don't blame the phone, thats why you should get a laptop bigger screens ftw
9) Damn straight, completely agree with you

1) No random calls - front pocket has been nice to me so far, plus adding a lockscreen or disabling Menu(x2) to unlock seems to work as well -
(^Sure i can do that out of the box right?)
2) Swype, Dvorak, Swiftkey ftw
(^Shouldnt have to)
3) could be a whole array of different things related to the rom, kernel, app, etc.
(^tried them all, I think its the quality of hardware on the indivisual phone)
4) errybody hates this you could try a handheld fan
(^Or dunk it in water?)
5) lolwut probably a google talk issue
(^back to hardware)
6) Mhm, mhm. wait a second.. "I end up not redialing someone" -> "Dialing the last person I called/who called me" What's your definition of redialing?
(^ Hitting the send button to call the last person back who called me.)
7) Jit'ing only feels good if you do it sparingly, otherwise you start to slow down and eventually your phone becomes impotent when it comes to jit
(^I Jit constantly and never slow down, my 200 dollar hardware should jit all day and not blink)
8) you're lonely.. we've all been there. Don't blame the phone, thats why you should get a laptop bigger screens ftw
(^Jerking in elevators FTW)
9) Damn straight, completely agree with you
__(^Thank you)________________

Haha we need more people like you on this sub-forum
too bad you're leaving to the evo...I won't be there until possibly early end of winter. best of luck with that phone

dpeeps74 said:
The evo prints money and puts you on islands? Damn I can't wait to upgrade!
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Lol classic

I had all these issues on stock firmware lol it is sad. But on cm6, it us all fixed, except wifi tether heat and no island. Oh and the porn, but I don't really do that on the phone anyways
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danaff37 said:
I had all these issues on stock firmware lol it is sad. But on cm6, it us all fixed, except wifi tether heat and no island. Oh and the porn, but I don't really do that on the phone anyways
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My phone is my only porn outlet. The misses keeps an eagle-eye on the pc. :-(
Sent from my CDMA Hero. I got some hot Froyo on Hero action here!

incognito window on Chrome will keep that eagle eye from seeing a thing!
BINGO

CM6, modified kernel, XDA keyboard, battery tweak, launcherPro
What do I get? A fast and responsive phone running 2.2 that lasts 2 days on a charge. Sorry you have bad luck, or haven't optimized your phone to get the best out of it. Also, the "I shouldn't have to" excuse is weak if you're so disappointed in a phone that came out a year ago. I can't wait until the next big sprint phone comes along but to be honest I have nothing to complain about, I'm that satisfied. HUGE difference from the ****ty instinct I had before. lol
I don't get these farewell threads, just make the switch and move on. Maybe some here will follow your twitter but most of us are more concerned with the Hero. Not trying to be a ****, and I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, but I fail to understand why the world must be notified as to a person's purchases.
/rant

Or only make a farewell speech... when you are a dev or a themer.

rank78, which modified kernel are you using? I've been looking for a decent one.

user7618 said:
My phone is my only porn outlet. The misses keeps an eagle-eye on the pc. :-(
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Incognito mode ftw
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On a side note i bought an evo yesterday had an upgrade I was holding for a while... this phone is awesome I don't think ill be buying a tab now.
Don't worry guys ill stick around since ill always have a soft spot for the hero forum. I think its produced some of the best Serbs and themers
Ino i saidi want going to but the hero was getting boring
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rank78 said:
CM6, modified kernel, XDA keyboard, battery tweak, launcherPro
What do I get? A fast and responsive phone running 2.2 that lasts 2 days on a charge. Sorry you have bad luck, or haven't optimized your phone to get the best out of it. Also, the "I shouldn't have to" excuse is weak if you're so disappointed in a phone that came out a year ago. I can't wait until the next big sprint phone comes along but to be honest I have nothing to complain about, I'm that satisfied. HUGE difference from the ****ty instinct I had before. lol
I don't get these farewell threads, just make the switch and move on. Maybe some here will follow your twitter but most of us are more concerned with the Hero. Not trying to be a ****, and I'm sure you're a nice guy and all, but I fail to understand why the world must be notified as to a person's purchases.
/rant
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I had a ****ty instinct too! I bought 2 of them, one for me and one for wife. It was to be the iphone killer! Yeah right I remember they held a app contest, trying to get more developers to make apps for the phone. All that came was a few apps and a bunch of complaining from the dev that sprint wont release code to access things they needed to make the apps work! Frickin Sprint has been screwing people for a loooong time!!! Yet what do I do when its upgrade time? Get the newest POS Maybe next time I will hold out for the release that comes after the "new release" ie, hero/evo Thanks to all the devs who made my and everyones else's hero manageable

ASimmons said:
On a side note i bought an evo yesterday had an upgrade I was holding for a while... this phone is awesome I don't think ill be buying a tab now.
Don't worry guys ill stick around since ill always have a soft spot for the hero forum. I think its produced some of the best Serbs and themers
Ino i saidi want going to but the hero was getting boring
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does that mean bye bye to [THEME] DarkEdge UI

Naw ill still do it... the source is all screwed up so I have to move things around to then run my script on it... I just haven't had time to do it. But I will give me a week.
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cordell12 said:
I had a ****ty instinct too! I bought 2 of them, one for me and one for wife. It was to be the iphone killer! Yeah right I remember they held a app contest, trying to get more developers to make apps for the phone. All that came was a few apps and a bunch of complaining from the dev that sprint wont release code to access things they needed to make the apps work! Frickin Sprint has been screwing people for a loooong time!!! Yet what do I do when its upgrade time? Get the newest POS Maybe next time I will hold out for the release that comes after the "new release" ie, hero/evo Thanks to all the devs who made my and everyones else's hero manageable
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Got one sitting in my dresser drawer aka the phone grave yard was my wifes
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reedsw said:
Or only make a farewell speech... when you are a dev or a themer.
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Lmao! +1234567
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reedsw said:
Or only make a farewell speech... when you are a dev or a themer.
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Lol 10char

After official update today i don't want OC anymore.

its just my opinion till today, dont know tomorrow maybe again i am on flashing and stuff. But right now tab looks solid. No scrolling lag, typing is normal no lag. I thought i spent more time fixing the unit than using it before today's update. Before any new device shows up i think i need to enjoy and use it. BTW dev's are doing great job by bringing new stuff everyday thats why temptation will always be there to do beyond stock. But guys (btw there was one girl also in samsung store in NYC waiting for her device to get updated) when you receive your original update on this week Friday try to enjoy it because today i have seen this device much improved and no more mod needed for me. But again its just my opinion everyone has their own choice. Samsung you have done a great job with the TW update.

tabing said:
its just my opinion till today, dont know tomorrow maybe again i am on flashing and stuff. But right now tab looks solid. No scrolling lag, typing is normal no lag. I thought i spent more time fixing the unit than using it before today's update. Before any new device shows up i think i need to enjoy and use it. BTW dev's are doing great job by bringing new stuff everyday thats why temptation will always be there to do beyond stock. But guys (btw there was one girl also in samsung store in NYC waiting for her device to get updated) when you receive your original update on this week Friday try to enjoy it because today i have seen this device much improved and no more mod needed for me. But again its just my opinion everyone has their own choice. Samsung you have done a great job with the TW update.
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thats good to hear bro. i figured this update would be a big upgrade ompared to what we've all been using so far. i

yes because official is official they are expert in their fields and they have the equipment and labor to make things professional. Btw did you got the hdtv adapter?

tabing said:
its just my opinion till today, dont know tomorrow maybe again i am on flashing and stuff. But right now tab looks solid. No scrolling lag, typing is normal no lag. I thought i spent more time fixing the unit than using it before today's update. Before any new device shows up i think i need to enjoy and use it. BTW dev's are doing great job by bringing new stuff everyday thats why temptation will always be there to do beyond stock. But guys (btw there was one girl also in samsung store in NYC waiting for her device to get updated) when you receive your original update on this week Friday try to enjoy it because today i have seen this device much improved and no more mod needed for me. But again its just my opinion everyone has their own choice. Samsung you have done a great job with the TW update.
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So this update fixes the text input lag on web pages? Does the browser still crash alot?
I took my tab back last month because It sucked at web browsing. If they fixed it, I might give it another try.

tabing said:
yes because official is official they are expert in their fields and they have the equipment and labor to make things professional. Btw did you got the hdtv adapter?
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No I didn't buy one I went the other route and got the 7inch tab multimedia dock that has hdmi and the 10.1 multimedia dock that doesn't have hdmi and out them together. The 10.1 part that actually holds the tab just pulls off and clips right onto the inch one.
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tabing said:
its just my opinion till today, dont know tomorrow maybe again i am on flashing and stuff. But right now tab looks solid. No scrolling lag, typing is normal no lag. I thought i spent more time fixing the unit than using it before today's update. Before any new device shows up i think i need to enjoy and use it. BTW dev's are doing great job by bringing new stuff everyday thats why temptation will always be there to do beyond stock. But guys (btw there was one girl also in samsung store in NYC waiting for her device to get updated) when you receive your original update on this week Friday try to enjoy it because today i have seen this device much improved and no more mod needed for me. But again its just my opinion everyone has their own choice. Samsung you have done a great job with the TW update.
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Install CW recovery and make a backup, post the system.img and boot.img and share the fun
I will make a update zip to restore you kernel to stock and this will remove the CW recovery.

tabing said:
its just my opinion till today, dont know tomorrow maybe again i am on flashing and stuff. But right now tab looks solid. No scrolling lag, typing is normal no lag. I thought i spent more time fixing the unit than using it before today's update. Before any new device shows up i think i need to enjoy and use it. BTW dev's are doing great job by bringing new stuff everyday thats why temptation will always be there to do beyond stock. But guys (btw there was one girl also in samsung store in NYC waiting for her device to get updated) when you receive your original update on this week Friday try to enjoy it because today i have seen this device much improved and no more mod needed for me. But again its just my opinion everyone has their own choice. Samsung you have done a great job with the TW update.
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Please do a system dump so at least WE can get a custom rom goin =) Go Doc and Calk!

Nice to see Samsung doing good work for a change. Um, bring on 3.2?

DocRambone said:
Install CW recovery and make a backup, post the system.img and boot.img and share the fun
I will make a update zip to restore you kernel to stock and this will remove the CW recovery.
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Seems people who have gotten the official update don't seem comfortable with tinkering, which is fine since I can't blame them for not wanting to potentially hurt their devices...but we'll all get our paws on it tomorrow

Itaintrite said:
Nice to see Samsung doing good work for a change. Um, bring on 3.2?
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It's funny that they threaten no more updates unless you accept this one. So... I'd be seeing ICS in 2013? No thanks! I'll stick with the rooted roms and get ICS two weeks before it's released!

crazed_z06 said:
So this update fixes the text input lag on web pages? Does the browser still crash alot?
I took my tab back last month because It sucked at web browsing. If they fixed it, I might give it another try.
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yes it completely fixes the text input lag in the browser. the browser is also much faster and doesn't crash at all.

task650 said:
No I didn't buy one I went the other route and got the 7inch tab multimedia dock that has hdmi and the 10.1 multimedia dock that doesn't have hdmi and out them together. The 10.1 part that actually holds the tab just pulls off and clips right onto the inch one.
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Task-
Interested in this mod of yours. Are you saying you took the Tab 10.1 multimedia dock and replaced the connector with the 30 pin input of the 7" tab's multimedia dock? Any more/better pictures of this? Awesome idea, I'd love to see a post on how you did this.

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It's funny that they threaten no more updates unless you accept this one. So... I'd be seeing ICS in 2013? No thanks! I'll stick with the rooted roms and get ICS two weeks before it's released!
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I always had this lurking suspicion that Samsung left things like the keyboard lag in there to drive people bonkers and make them upgrade to TW since there was so much bad TW sentiment pre-launch. They made it "optional" but unbearable to not upgrade. Maybe a little paranoid but its not like I claimed they hid a functional SD card port or anything
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Keyboard lag is a honeycomb 3.1 thing...i had it on my Acer A500 after updating...

Nice hdmi adapter workaround, at first i tried to do like that but was unable to remove the 7" plastic holder unless i break it otherwise i would have samething like you Task. There is no more typing lag and no more crashing of browser or any app. Also no more auto reboot of the tab which happened with me before the update. One more thing i want to notify that before when i was typing something and if I want to do some correction the cursor to move back on words is now working pretty good. You can move that cursor where ever you want to easily.

Jstrick5 said:
Task-
Interested in this mod of yours. Are you saying you took the Tab 10.1 multimedia dock and replaced the connector with the 30 pin input of the 7" tab's multimedia dock? Any more/better pictures of this? Awesome idea, I'd love to see a post on how you did this.
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It's simpler than what you're thinking.
He just took the plastic holder of the multimedia dock from the 10.1 and inserted it into the 7" tab multimedia dock.
If you don't have both you could just buy the 7" tab multimedia dock and use paper or something else to hold the tab in place.
The good thing about the 7" dock is it has hdmi which Samsung became greedy and removed it from the 10" dock and want people to buy the hdmi adapter.

but does it work? IT actually outputs the HDM signal using the 7"dock?

Update goes public on my birthday, awesome

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but does it work? IT actually outputs the HDM signal using the 7"dock?
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Yes I can confirm it works, I had the 10.1 charging stand dock and swapped the base from the multi media 7" tab dock with the 10.1 base and works perfectly.

seriously just post the update file so docrambone and the rest of the dev's can get to work

RandomROM 2.3 v2 "Hawk"

Greetings All,
I've been running the title line ROM for several days now and am impressed with it in general. This sucker uses next to nothing in terms of juice when the screen is off and when my Epic is "sleeping". I've been getting an average of 38 hours with my useage; by comparison, on stock I would be lucky to see 22 hours. On SRF ROMs for example, I would average 28 hours (which I was pleased with)...but got bit by the damn flashing bug and, as much as I say "hmmm, I'll stick with this one", well
It's pretty important for me to get a minimum of 24hrs of battery time on my phone due to my schedule, convenience (or lack of) with charging opportunities away from home. SRF ROMs have been really good for that; Hawk has garnered 10 more hours, most excellent.
The flash went great, no issues, I haven't experienced any FC's, the apparent memory leakage has been minimal, and most everything I need to work does. My data speeds (using EG22) are the same crappy speeds, tried EF, EG and EH modems that were either worse in some area or battery drainers. The ROM itself is snappy, good looking, and did I mention the battery life is great?
I only have one issue: A couple of apps I use to have are no longer "available" on the provided version of the market ("Black Market"). One of them is a paid app that I used every day, is pretty important for my job and is kind of a deal breaker (custom shift calendar/time tracking/scheduling app). I'm sure it has something to do with either the market version or perhaps even GB and not the fault of the ROM...so no slams whatsoever directed to it or to RandomKing.
Is it possible to flash a different Android Market version? I would imagine it depends on what phone signature it sees as to availability of apps(?).
Also, just as an aesthetic thing, I very much liked the on-screen keyboard that was provided with shane's Dark Horse theme...would it be possible to pull that apk, pop it into my system folder and run it on this ROM?
Anyways, great ROM RK (if you read this), thank you very much for your efforts. If I can get my app issue resolved, this will be my daily driver for quite some time.
Aww who am I kiddin'...it'll be my daily until that damn flashing itch overcomes my will

I am newish to the whole 'flashing' thing, but this is my third ROM and so far I am loving it much more than the others. Thanks RK!!
battery life seems great..
runs very smoothly
like the font
like that the kernel comes with the ROM
fast
haven't had any re-boot issues (that i know of)

do NOT quote me on this, but i had a similar problem back when i owned an OG droid. My market sucked balls and started to FC a lot, and sometimes when i would flash a new ROM it wouldn't see some apps. What i did was downloaded the default GAPPS zip and extract the APK and install it. easy, and it fixed this. also, with the keyboard thing, i'm not sure. i'd imagine you'd have to find a zip to flash it. but the keyboard is through an APK as well...so go to the system/app folder and extract it see if that works? again, don't quote me on this stuff, i'm probably totally wrong.

Have to agree. Fantastic rom everything works to perfection. Although my battery
life is not near what everybody claims.

Yes the font the snappiness of the phone even though the benchmarks don't equal
the performance.

yea. people claim to have like over 9000 hours of battery life. the only way i achieve this is by turning off 3g whenever i don't use it which is like, 60% of my day. he achieves the battery saving by disabling a lot of stuff that's kinda important to most. like email notifications and stuff...but meh, it works. Random Hawk is a beast. can't wait for his actual release once source gets leaked since this is Alpha.

Nice Rom
Been on this one for a few days. It's a good one.

Im at 15h 26m 55s and @ 53% battery life right now.
I started with fresh battery stats by booting to CWM and resetting the stats right after it was fully charged..
Wifi and email notifications are ALWAYS on. I spent about a half hour on the phone so far, turned alarm on, downloaded about 10 apps, played ~30 minutes of angry birds last night and checked my mail about every 20 minutes (when I was awake of course) Also spent some time texting.
Also OC'd to 1.2 Ghz
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This is A LOT better battery life than I usually get.
The reason I am not connected to Wifi is because I just got to work and haven't logged into the network yet!

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he achieves the battery saving by disabling a lot of stuff that's kinda important to most. like email notifications and stuff...
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I have wifi, 3G, and 1 hour email notifications at all times. I only disable google sync. But that's only because I use stock mail rather than the gmail app and don't synchronize my calendar.
-Sent from my Random Epic.

Well, I've got my issues resolved and this ROM is flyin'. Definately a keeper.
@Eddyballs
Went a 'round about way to get my missing apps installed (MyBackupRoot is a beautiful thing), now all is good. Keyboard was a bust...once I got the apk installed, it just FC'ed. No biggie. Went to the Market and got a GB keyboard (unthemed) and now it's somewhat to my liking (I don't care much for the Swype keyboard). Thanks for your input.
@turbosocks
Damn good numbers!
@ RandomKing
Thanks again sir for an excellent ROM. Can't wait to try your next build!

RandomKing said:
I have wifi, 3G, and 1 hour email notifications at all times. I only disable google sync. But that's only because I use stock mail rather than the gmail app and don't synchronize my calendar.
-Sent from my Random Epic.
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Stock email is good, but ya I've turned off google sync too and I get better battery life. Wifi's policy is great, and 3g is ok. Sometimes 3g uses more battery than wifi. Its odd but yea. Oh and I kinda hate to bring it up here, but since you're here Mr. RandomKing, the rom keeps resetting on me at times. I'll send a txt to someone sometimes and I get that triple vibrating thing, then my phone resets. Not fully but softly. It happens at random too, not just with txts.
lol my Epic made you look

VooDooOmen said:
@Eddyballs
Went a 'round about way to get my missing apps installed (MyBackupRoot is a beautiful thing), now all is good. Keyboard was a bust...once I got the apk installed, it just FC'ed. No biggie. Went to the Market and got a GB keyboard (unthemed) and now it's somewhat to my liking (I don't care much for the Swype keyboard). Thanks for your input.
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Np, im just hating myself for not being that helpful. I wish I knew more. Someday, someday... but glad you got yourself up and running. If you want a better keyboard I can upload my flashable gb-kb? Its my favorite so far and its not stock either. Its modded
lol made you look

EddyBalls said:
Stock email is good, but ya I've turned off google sync too and I get better battery life. Wifi's policy is great, and 3g is ok. Sometimes 3g uses more battery than wifi. Its odd but yea. Oh and I kinda hate to bring it up here, but since you're here Mr. RandomKing, the rom keeps resetting on me at times. I'll send a txt to someone sometimes and I get that triple vibrating thing, then my phone resets. Not fully but softly. It happens at random too, not just with txts.
lol my Epic made you look
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RandomKing said:
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Finally got the time to install this. Totally worked. My goodness you're awesome.