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running pancake 1.5c without sense and the new apps2sd with gbhil's custom kernel i have 110mb free ram and 146mb free internal storage.
i also have about 35 apps installed.
how about you guys?
Running fresh 2.0d with rosie and launcher2 removed, I just use helix. a2sd with about 80+? apps, dalvik cache not on SD. And I average around 80 mb free RAM during the day. And 90+ after a recent reboot.
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Oh yeah, well I've got a 2TB Hard drive and am only using 2MB of it!
Around 80mb usually.
abcdfv said:
Oh yeah, well I've got a 2TB Hard drive and am only using 2MB of it!
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lots of room for porn then buddy!
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lots of room for porn then buddy!
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But then I wouldn't have any free space. What's the point of having a 2TB harddrive if I'm just going to fill it up? I'd rather be able to brag about how it's not getting used.
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But then I wouldn't have any free space. What's the point of having a 2TB harddrive if I'm just going to fill it up? I'd rather be able to brag about how it's not getting used.
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how much did you pay for a 2tg hdd?
I don't actually have a 2TB HDD. I'm using it as a point saying "I bought a device with X amount of storage, and doing everything in my power to not use any of it."
It's basically the same as having 4GB of RAM, and only using 1GB of it. 3GB is completly wasted. Empty RAM does not benefit anyone, nor does any free space. If it's empty, it's wasted.
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I don't actually have a 2TB HDD. I'm using it as a point saying "I bought a device with X amount of storage, and doing everything in my power to not use any of it."
It's basically the same as having 4GB of RAM, and only using 1GB of it. 3GB is completly wasted. Empty RAM does not benefit anyone, nor does any free space. If it's empty, it's wasted.
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the more ram the faster your phone or pc will run.
Explain to me how. Cause I can explain a hundred different ways how that's wrong, to a point.
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Explain to me how. Cause I can explain a hundred different ways how that's wrong, to a point.
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Even in computers empty RAM is wasted. Most people don't seem to realize that the reason more RAM speeds up a computer is because that RAM is USED by programs instead of the hard drive. If you have 8gb of RAM and only ever use 4, you've wasted 4gb of RAM because it's sitting there doing nothing, instead of being filled with programs/cache information/etc.
It's similar with the phones. If the RAM is sitting there idle because it's not being used for anything it's just...sitting there. It makes more sense to fill it with something than leave it doing nothing, which is the point I believe abcdfv is making.
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Even in computers empty RAM is wasted. Most people don't seem to realize that the reason more RAM speeds up a computer is because that RAM is USED by programs instead of the hard drive. If you have 8gb of RAM and only ever use 4, you've wasted 4gb of RAM because it's sitting there doing nothing, instead of being filled with programs/cache information/etc.
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I'd kiss you, but don't know where you live. Huzzah for me not being the only one to get it.
abcdfv said:
I'd kiss you, but don't know where you live. Huzzah for me not being the only one to get it.
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*shrug* Too many people think 'more is better'..they're wrong.
As for kissing me...my wife would get mad, so..
smw6180 said:
*shrug* Too many people think 'more is better'..they're wrong.
As for kissing me...my wife would get mad, so..
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Nah, she could join in.
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
That article goes well beyond talking about free memory, but it does explain exactly what abcdfv and swm are saying. Unused free memory means nothing.
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http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
That article goes well beyond talking about free memory, but it does explain exactly what abcdfv and swm are saying. Unused free memory means nothing.
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I still think you should add my explanation of how Linux handles RAM/Swap differently then Windows to that.
Then why is it helpful to manipulate minfree settings?
I suppose it could be placebo but I swear I've found a sweet spot between stock settings and aggressive where my phone runs better than at either extreme. Am I misunderstanding that by your rationale the phone should run just as well at stock settings than any other?
The reason you might be seeing an increase in performance is the "free" RAM is being temporarily utilized when using the phone. The more free the more potential for the phone to use it, but having 124 mb free is most likely useless, the OS will most likely never use that much by itself.
I'm with the others, free is wasted, but that doesn't mean try to max it out, because spikes in usage will take up more than what the phone will report when you check it.
I sit at 50
I understand and have always known having a ton of free space is a waste.
But having not enough can be a problem. I just read a post from a sprint admin stating "dont let your ram get to 15 or 20mb because it will cause issues, specially with voicemail and messaging."
I really doubt anything major (not gunna hurt the phone), but problems with everyday use.
Just saying.. Not that any of you run that low anyways
After perm-root, is the rest of the NAND available?
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After perm-root, is the rest of the NAND available?
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Well, simply rooting isn't going to magically open up the internal storage; that's why it's still listed as 1.1x GB after. The root just came out this morning; just like us patient people gave the devs to root, give them time to fiddle with the storage. They'll probably figure it out soon enough.
Fortunately the storage is still a crapload. I've gone from what... 1.16GB? stock to 1.1GB, and I don't see myself using the rest of it at all.
Yup, I don't even think I need all that space. Right now I have 888MB free, and that is with ALL my apps installed on phone memory, as I prefer not moving to SD Card...
I just wanted to ask, does moving to SD Card do anything other than free up space of the phone memory? If it does make stuff run faster etc, then only I see a reason to move apps to sd card..
Freeing up space is the only real benefit for Androids native apps2sd...
Apps2ext on the other hand, was really nice to have if you like trying out different roms.
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franky1029 said:
Freeing up space is the only real benefit for Androids native apps2sd...
Apps2ext on the other hand, was really nice to have if you like trying out different roms.
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On the G1 they where able to re-allocate memory from the GPU to the CPU to increase the speed of the G1 at the cost of 3D games. Believe Cyanogen did this, Yes, 1.x gigs is plenty BUT, what if the rest of the "4 gigs" could be focused on the GPU side of things to increase FPS? hehe Counter Strike on the G2..rofl Maybe using the other space for a full linux distro? a dual boot?
Dual Boot could be very nice, yes..
That actually sounds quite viable.
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Coming from a Nexus my only question about the epic is where's all the RAM?!
The nexus had 512mb too and I had almost 300mb free on boot. This thing is in the 100s and drops to 50ish after a few apps loaded! What's up with that?
Yea I came from a nexus too, and sorda wonder same thing. But I can say dk17 ran snappier than the nexus... but froyo is now slower and laggier than the nexus...
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Welcome to bloatware. That is why we all want asop. With all the junk sprint loads on the phone even if you do not use it has a damn service running in the backround. Take a look. Download autokiller if you have root and set it to the 150 range and that will keep your ram in that range speeding up the phone.
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no, it's because not all of the 512mb in the epic is system ram
don't know the exact numbers, but there is also shared vram and stuff like that using the 512mb
I am wondering the same.I am always in the 50s
Every time I am on the browser, and switch over to a text
Or even press home, I tap on the browswer and it has to reload all over again.
Lame that it doesn't stay in memory.
My evo did not suffer from this.
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no, it's because not all of the 512mb in the epic is system ram
don't know the exact numbers, but there is also shared vram and stuff like that using the 512mb
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Hmm ya I was wondering that... but even the Nexus had that with the stock rom. I'm not sure if it was kernel optimizations or just the simple fact of the extra process running.
Even if you kill al processes it still doesn't go anywhere near where the nexus with compiled roms.
anyone have any luck porting cyanogen's codebase? I saw a few threads on it but sounded to me like the project was dead
Is there a way to edit the allocation of the 512MB of RAM? There must be a way to give more to the system.
When official froyo is released, I want to start a thread that deals with the Running Services, what they do, and what the ramifications are for each one if its stopped and disabled from running. I have a feeling that a lot of these running services do not need to be running. CM_Service, the voicemail service, is one example.
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Is there a way to edit the allocation of the 512MB of RAM? There must be a way to give more to the system.
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Pretty sure the allocation is handled at the kernel level so stopping services and crap will never achieve the total ram if it isn't compiled properly.
First and foremost, If this question has been asked and answered before, forgive me. Secondly, anyone opting to flame me for asking this question will get their post deleted.
Now for the question:
Is there a single build out there that uses the full 576mb of RAM that comes in our devices? If so then please point me to that build(don't think this is gonna happen). If not then could a developer please explain why this hasn't been done and what needs to be done to get it working?
I'm not asking this as a noob. I've been using Android exclusively on my device for some time now with limited WM usage, only to change builds and boot back into Android and I'm pretty familiar with it. This doesn't mean I'm a Linux coder/developer, I'm just saying I'm not unfamiliar with the OS.
I welcome all replies as long as they're not argumentative or trolling in nature.
Thanks
Bumping this
edit: I just stumbled across this thread. Skip to page two.
Im assuming the reason we don't see all ram used with these android builds is because the base wm rom they're using. For instance I use cleanex rom which has 350 ram available when booting android.. then the android system loads and I usually have around 300-305 available.
Now I've noticed with other wm roms once I boot into android I may only have 230-250 available... contrary to what people say I think wm does have background programs running once android boots... because there is no way android os takes over 250MB ram to operate...
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contrary to what people say I think wm does have background programs running once android boots... because there is no way android os takes over 250MB ram to operate...
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Dude, no windows kernel or programs are in memory when the android kernel is loaded.
Can a dev please clarify on this whether or not any windows is still left in memory?
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Im assuming the reason we don't see all ram used with these android builds is because the base wm rom they're using. For instance I use cleanex rom which has 350 ram available when booting android.. then the android system loads and I usually have around 300-305 available.
Now I've noticed with other wm roms once I boot into android I may only have 230-250 available... contrary to what people say I think wm does have background programs running once android boots... because there is no way android os takes over 250MB ram to operate...
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Are you sure about that 350mb free ram??
about that 250mb free of ram is kinda correct.. i'll give it a shot..
Yeah check out the cleanex wm rom has tons of memory free... its a light weight rom perfect for android
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OK AFAIK
When Haret kills windows it registers the total available memory on RAM eg 250-300MB
now HARET uses most of the information on RAM left by WimMo to initialize hardware for android to run properly,
The only solution for a build to use 576MB ram is NAND
I'm no dev or hacker, the above is what i understand from reading open to correction
Best regds
Afaik, Haret does keep a lot of the hardware initialized by winmo, but that has nothing to do with the ram after Linux is loaded. All ram is free and available to Linux, so I'm not sure why all ram isn't used. I thought it was all being used, with some being set aside for the os... maybe some set aside for video memory too??
I'm curious about this too, now. We need to get one of the devs to clear this up. I was under the impression that it was all being used, but it's not all user accessible or shown to the user because the os uses a certain amount. We should point a Dev to this thread.
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Any 'Awesome' answers?
Okay Im curious about this too. I just flashed my own lite WinMo rom, to see if it would make a difference, and I wasnt paying attentionso let me ask here if maybe I did something that goes along the lines of the questioning. My WinMo Rom is 80mb, flashed it, and it said Storage free 870mb and only 8mb used, under program it said 100mb used and 370 free, when I booted Android up after loading I went into the system panel lite and under storage it says:
System Storage Capacity: 309.7
Available 15.1(?!?!?!) is that right?
Application Storage: 1011.8
Available 684.2
I am using the Carbon Evo remix by motoman. Looking at the system storage capacity of 309.7 and available 15.1 do those numbers even look right? And from the Figures I stated, does that shed any light about getting to the 512mb mark? ALso when I do a task kill using ATK and TK, ATK says that my memory available is 270mb.
Hope this helps.
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Okay Im curious about this too. I just flashed my own lite WinMo rom, to see if it would make a difference, and I wasnt paying attentionso let me ask here if maybe I did something that goes along the lines of the questioning. My WinMo Rom is 80mb, flashed it, and it said Storage free 870mb and only 8mb used, under program it said 100mb used and 370 free, when I booted Android up after loading I went into the system panel lite and under storage it says:
System Storage Capacity: 309.7
Available 15.1(?!?!?!) is that right?
Application Storage: 1011.8
Available 684.2
I am using the Carbon Evo remix by motoman. Looking at the system storage capacity of 309.7 and available 15.1 do those numbers even look right? And from the Figures I stated, does that shed any light about getting to the 512mb mark? ALso when I do a task kill using ATK and TK, ATK says that my memory available is 270mb.
Hope this helps.
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I think you're reading your 16gb SD where it says 15.1. I'm pretty sure you are just reading your storage, which has nothing to do with ram.
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zarathustrax said:
I think you're reading your 16gb SD where it says 15.1. I'm pretty sure you are just reading your storage, which has nothing to do with ram.
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Yes.. thats what i thought too..
EDIT: I have tried cleanEx and i still have the same RAM available!
The way I understand it, the full ram on the hd2 has been mapped out. While the unit does have 576mb of memory, it's shared among user memory and other system uses like graphics.
For a short time people were running the full ram kernel with 512mb or 576mb and they noticed right away the display were getting corrupted.
I'm not a dev, this explanation was posted by others. It's in the thread zhegoggles posted too, on page 20.
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I think you're reading your 16gb SD where it says 15.1. I'm pretty sure you are just reading your storage, which has nothing to do with ram.
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Sorry but I have an 8gb sd card running my android not a 16gb.
And system panel says 15.1mb not gb, its 309.7mb storage capacity and 15.1mb available, so obviously thats not it, but I am trying to see how much smaller I can make winmo to run android and see if that number changes any more or less.
AngelDeath said:
Sorry but I have an 8gb sd card running my android not a 16gb.
And system panel says 15.1mb not gb, its 309.7mb storage capacity and 15.1mb available, so obviously thats not it, but I am trying to see how much smaller I can make winmo to run android and see if that number changes any more or less.
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309.7mb is the size of your system.ext2 partition. 15.1mb is what's left on it. It does not matter as you're not adding anything to it, any apps you install goes into the data.img.
AngelDeath said:
Sorry but I have an 8gb sd card running my android not a 16gb.
And system panel says 15.1mb not gb, its 309.7mb storage capacity and 15.1mb available, so obviously thats not it, but I am trying to see how much smaller I can make winmo to run android and see if that number changes any more or less.
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Either way, storage capacity is not ram. Changing winmo roms does not effect your androids ram or storage capacity.
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Either way, storage capacity is not ram. Changing winmo roms does not effect your androids ram or storage capacity.
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way to burst my bubble there I got my WinMo down to near 40 mb and was hoping, (Not a linux person), I thought I read somewhere that winmo being in memory hampers linux, unless they were blowing smoke.
If thats the case, then how do you find out about memory then? If all the info is file based then how does one know what your using thru android?
I thought the HD2 has 488mb of RAM. If you read on the specs page it says 488MB of RAM.
freemini said:
I thought the HD2 has 488mb of RAM. If you read on the specs page it says 488MB of RAM.
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International HD2 by default has 488MB with 88MB hidden can be unlocked by using custom roms
TMOUS HD2 has 576MB by default
...freeing up space on your HDD from 1995. We are juggling with megabytes, not gigabytes... has anyone ever noticed that?
That's because phones are very different from desktop computers...
The phone could do with more internal storage...
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Well, I mean that some of us might feel that we don't have much space when we are only given less than 512MB of memory... if we were given 4GB of RAM, then most of us who do have problems would not...
It should at least have 1 GB of storage *for the user*
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Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server
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Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server
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I have a really old PowerMac 7300/200 with a 2 GB HDD that still works I use it to play domino!
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If you had 4gb of ram all the running services woukd kill ure batter in 5 minutes 1 gig of ram would be sufficient with a few gigs of internal storage
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OK... internal storage... I made a mistake...
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Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server
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leots said:
I have a really old PowerMac 7300/200 with a 2 GB HDD that still works I use it to play domino!
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In working for years with computers I have to say hard drives are very volatile. If I got more than 5 years or so out of a consumer hard drive up until the past few years I considered it good. Its the only part of your computer (besides fans) that has consistently moving parts.
But its true I do feel like its 1995 again with all this juggling of free space. Its pretty annoying actually
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Well, I mean that some of us might feel that we don't have much space when we are only given less than 512MB of memory... if we were given 4GB of RAM, then most of us who do have problems would not...
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Why would we need 4GB? We wont fill up 512MB
I feel you bro, I got 62mb free on my internal memory, no more than 400mb free in my 8gb SD card and 2gb left on my 270gb HDD, so I definitely won't be using any link2sd thingies any soon, until I buy a new SD card, just because the damn phone nor the sdcard that comes with it doesn't come with any space for your stuff, due to the .android_secure folder occupying like 2gb and a half. It's pretty awkward, yet the phone is worth it.
Maybe I could be a Yottabyte but the internal memory is still pretty small
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Ye low space then the phone starts freezing not good, but thsts what TB is good for
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Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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What does that do exactly?
I'm having a constant battle with internal storage.
I only have a few apps on my internal storage having moved most with APP2SD or Titanium yet it keeps going down.
Flash is like 12MB. But if I move it with Titanium, it tells me it is not installed.
Same with Twitter, If i move it, it doesn't allow me to sign in.
I constantly have 40mb or less free and yet I've got like nothing installed on internal memory. I don't know what's taking up all the space, anyway I can see for definite?
Thanks.
I have storage problems too.
I have only 130Mb of apps on the internal storage, the rest in on my sd card and yet still I have only 78mb free. Any suggestions as to the cause of this?
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Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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What does that do exactly?
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I think he means moving apps from the data partition to the system partition (where your base rom is stored-the stuff that is still there when you wipe data/factory reset), thus freeing up space on your data partition, which is where apps you install normally are stored.
~Troop
Sunjay140 said:
Why would we need 4GB? We wont fill up 512MB
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Yeah, when we have rooting and apps like Link2SD...
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What does that do exactly?
I'm having a constant battle with internal storage.
I only have a few apps on my internal storage having moved most with APP2SD or Titanium yet it keeps going down.
Flash is like 12MB. But if I move it with Titanium, it tells me it is not installed.
Same with Twitter, If i move it, it doesn't allow me to sign in.
I constantly have 40mb or less free and yet I've got like nothing installed on internal memory. I don't know what's taking up all the space, anyway I can see for definite?
Thanks.
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You could try this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/12/12/link2sd-guide-never-worry-about-internal-memory-limits-again/