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Internal memory...

Why does it only show me 1.23GB available fresh out of the box?
I understand the OS itself takes up room, but I know it can't take up 2.5ishGB of it.
Do we really only have 1.5GB internal memory like the Desire Z despite the 4GB claimed on the T-Mobile and HTC websites?

Someone brought up that the space might be set aside for Gingerbread which drops later this year. Could be it.

ericc191 said:
Someone brought up that the space might be set aside for Gingerbread which drops later this year. Could be it.
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As nice as that would be, they wouldn't do that and it'd be extra trouble on HTC's part to accomplish...nothing. Even if Gingerbread was a ridiculously major update, it wouldn't account for another 2.5gb of space...
I think the truth is, we got 1.5gb instead of the claimed 4gb.

Also, I have the full system dump on my PC, and it's only weighing in at 1.7GB (This includes the ~1.3GB userdata partition).
If anyone would like to see a screenshot, give me a shout and I'll upload one.

I was thinking that they may have partitioned off a FAT32 section which you could mount to. Vibrant and the Gentouch have done that. Though from a post on tmobiles board, it didn't look like the missing amount was mounted. Total for the partitions was 2169356.
Hmmm..
What do you see when you plug in your USB, just the SDCard, or do you get a notice about an internal memory as well?
-oldsk00lz

Perhaps someone with a G2 on hand could install ConnectBot and run the command
cat /proc/partitions
and post the result here

jashsu said:
Perhaps someone with a G2 on hand could install ConnectBot and run the command
cat /proc/partitions
and post the result here
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major minor #blocks name
179 0 2203648 mmcb1k0
lord there's so many for me to type it'd be ridic, how do I take a screen shot with the phone so I can upload it? Basically though I go from 0 to 33 in that minor category.
I wonder why I have so many partitions (I'm assuming that's what these all are)

Not cool if it doesn't have the claimed 4GB.

If it doesn't have the claimed 4GB, then maybe someone can start a class action lawsuit?

I'm not upset enough that I'd push for a lawsuit, but I do feel kind of let down I don't even think I'll use the full 1.5gb, but I expected 4gb and didn't get what I expected.

Jorsher said:
I'm not upset enough that I'd push for a lawsuit, but I do feel kind of let down I don't even think I'll use the full 1.5gb, but I expected 4gb and didn't get what I expected.
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They advertised it as 4GB, so it must have 4GB. If it doesn't then the class action lawsuit will come and you won't even have to do a thing other than reap a small reward. I feel confident that there is 4GB in there, even if it isn't user accessible.

keyl10 said:
They advertised it as 4GB, so it must have 4GB. If it doesn't then the class action lawsuit will come and you won't even have to do a thing other than reap a small reward. I feel confident that there is 4GB in there, even if it isn't user accessible.
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Yeah, I understand it would come and I'd expect it to, just saying that personally I don't think it's that big of a deal.
Honestly I don't see why they'd make it inaccessible, at least not 2.5gb of it. I'm thinking it's only 1.5gb to match the Desire Z hardware, since everything else is the same as far as hardware.

I could be wrong (I don't have a G2). On my vibrant the available space is saying 12.75GB under "Phone storage" but only 1.47 under "Application storage".
I suspect that there's a set application storage area in android up to maybe 1.5GB and then the rest is for the OS and other data (music, movies, files, etc). The Vibrant's storage is 16GB which translates to around 15.xx. Then Android is taking up 1 or so and pre-installed apps only a tiny fraction (50MB or less)...that's why I'm showing 12.75. It's the remainder of the 15-Android (1 or so GB maybe less)+App Space (1.5GB)

Yeah, maybe it's just hidden space that can be unlocked by a custom rom. If the Desire Z only has 1.5GB total, I just have a hard time seeing why they'd hide 2.5GB on the G2.

^ has anyone called HTC and asked why they might only be seeing such low memory when it was supposed to have 4gb? maybe they can give us an answer?

i agree about the not really caring on the lawsuit bit. but i'm curious to know where it is lol... we didn't buy these phones pre-order cuz it was cheap lol, so if you need the money get hit by a car. more money and easier just step in front... so suing a company like htc whom we like very much would not be cool... just my .02

crr127 said:
i agree about the not really caring on the lawsuit bit. but i'm curious to know where it is lol... we didn't buy these phones pre-order cuz it was cheap lol, so if you need the money get hit by a car. more money and easier just step in front... so suing a company like htc whom we like very much would not be cool... just my .02
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errr - as "uncool" as advertising 4GB and not delivering it??
seriously, i suspect it's there, just locked or hidden for whatever purposes

i'm sure it is there also. it is a brand new phone, i'm sure it is hiding or waiting to be used for something
apps2sd? using it somehow?

I'm going with the missing space being taken up by all the bloat apps.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2.

Drakon911 said:
I'm going with the missing space being taken up by all the bloat apps.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2.
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There are most definitely not 2.5gb of bloat apps.
If there was, it'd be impossible for the considerably-more-bloated Desire Z to cope with only 1.5gb of memory.

[Q] How can i get more than 1GB internal storage mytouch 4g

I got my mytouch 4g and notice there was only about 1GB available. I want to get closer to the 4GB that they say it has. Anyone get more than 1GB on theirs? I rooted but i looked in applications not sure what to uninstall to get the most space available. from what it looks like around 20mb is largest file I see.

It has the same lock down crap as the G2 that is using it.

march7th said:
It has the same lock down crap as the G2 that is using it.
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Yep, have to wait until the hidden partition hack is resolved and full root is achieved
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I find this incredibly shady of tmo to advertise 4GB. If they said 2GB, it would be understandable that some part of that is occupied by the OS and apps. But c'mon, 1/4 of the total? WTF...

HamNCheese said:
I find this incredibly shady of tmo to advertise 4GB. If they said 2GB, it would be understandable that some part of that is occupied by the OS and apps. But c'mon, 1/4 of the total? WTF...
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You guys have to wait for tmo/htc to release a patch or fix for the bug(?). But they may be referring to the total space on the device(inc data/sys/cache) partition combined.

i still think it was false advertisement on their part.. if they would have said 4gb* available were *= 4gb (inc data/sys/cache) then i think a lot of ppl would have been ok with it.
but i just cant return my g2!

-FuRBz- said:
i still think it was false advertisement on their part.. if they would have said 4gb* available were *= 4gb (inc data/sys/cache) then i think a lot of ppl would have been ok with it.
but i just cant return my g2!
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I can understand your frustration (kinda) but wtf would you want 4gb of internal storage for anyway? It's not like you can save music or pictures to it. Even without save to sd you'd be hard pressed to fill up the gig they gave us. Is this just about the principle??
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-FuRBz- said:
i still think it was false advertisement on their part.. if they would have said 4gb* available were *= 4gb (inc data/sys/cache) then i think a lot of ppl would have been ok with it.
but i just cant return my g2!
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to say false advertising is a little out there dont you think? i mean unless this is the first electric device with storage you have ever had :/ anything with storage always includes the stock hardware (look at your ipod for example). if you really wanna get technical you could also complain that it isnt 4gbs in the first place because of how they round disk space
c_licious said:
I can understand your frustration (kinda) but wtf would you want 4gb of internal storage for anyway? It's not like you can save music or pictures to it. Even without save to sd you'd be hard pressed to fill up the gig they gave us. Is this just about the principle?
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great point

its about the principle.. yea i wasn't expecting the whole 4gigs to be available but when you only get 1.2 its pretty upsetting

-FuRBz- said:
its about the principle.. yea i wasn't expecting the whole 4gigs to be available but when you only get 1.2 its pretty upsetting
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true but by the time you would fill that we should have root cracked by then so youll be able to save the apps to sd either way... i just cant find it to be that much to complain about

Listen, people are complaining because 4GB is a lot of space really. They don't need it, but just to see it would make them happy. That's all...
myTouch4G (Glacier)

not having the full 4gb doesnt bother me that much. Just paying for something and expecting to get everything that is advertised leaves me feeling a little shorted out. but that comes with almost everything now a days.

Do you think Xoom 1GB internal memory is enough?

I keep asking this question, how big is the space for apps?
But got no answer from anywhere.
Well, I searched and searched, found this:
http://xperiaandroid.com/motorola-xoom-specs-and-release-date.html
" ... Xoom is armed with dual core processors have speed of 1 GHz. In addition, Xoom also powered by a internal memory 1 GB, 32 GB internal storage capacity and can be enlarged by using the SD card. ..."
I think, that 1 GB is for app and the 32 GB is the "internal USB storage" kind.
Or is this the RAM?
Come on, why no one cannot give info about the 32 GB internal memory
A lot of people went to CES, MWC ... still no info

gogol said:
I keep asking this question, how big is the space for apps?
But got no answer from anywhere.
Well, I searched and searched, found this:
" ... Xoom is armed with dual core processors have speed of 1 GHz. In addition, Xoom also powered by a internal memory 1 GB, 32 GB internal storage capacity and can be enlarged by using the SD card. ..."
I think, that 1 GB is for app and the 32 GB is the "internal USB storage" kind.
Or is this the RAM?
Come on, why no one cannot give info about the 32 GB internal memory
A lot of people went to CES, MWC ... still no info
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I believe the 1GB number is the amount of RAM the Xoom has. The 32GB number is the amount of storage space the Xoom has. These numbers are inline with most other tablets that are coming out or that are out.

SFBPro said:
I believe the 1GB number is the amount of RAM the Xoom has. The 32GB number is the amount of storage space the Xoom has. These numbers are inline with most other tablets that are coming out or that are out.
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There may be only 1GB of application storage space though. Android phones have always had a limited space for installing apps.

RAM is used for running apps
Internal storage is used to hold movies, music, etc..... in this case apps as well
as far as running out of space you should search threads on apps to SD

eallan said:
There may be only 1GB of application storage space though. Android phones have always had a limited space for installing apps.
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And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.

lol @ this thread

generic.imitation said:
lol @ this thread
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Second that
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As is said:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-ram-and-memory.htm

Well, I know what RAM is. The only thing I need to know is the amount of storage to install apps. Xoom has 32 gb internal storage, but no one know this.
Sent from my Nexus S using XDA App

This would be nice!
Sirchuk said:
And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.
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Sirchuk said:
And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.
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yes adjustable storage space would be nice... lol.
how about everytime we install an app it takes up a certain amount of space, then we know how much we have left. IF we had something like that it would be amazing. I think there is something like this included with the Xoom, but it's pure speculation at this point.
I am really enjoying this thread waaay too much.

gogol said:
Well, I know what RAM is. The only thing I need to know is the amount of storage to install apps. Xoom has 32 gb internal storage, but no one know this.
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Why does it matter now? Google figured out how they wanted to install apps to the SD Card, you think they made that functionality so rigid that they can't install to the eMMC storage instead?
It's probably "up to 32gb"

Because some times, you just cannot control it.
There are apps that can only be installed in the internal memory.
It is just a simple question though, but it seems no one, not even those from popular news websites / blogs can answer this question. Although they have handled, fondled, played around the Xoom at CES / MWC *sigh*
drhill said:
Why does it matter now? Google figured out how they wanted to install apps to the SD Card, you think they made that functionality so rigid that they can't install to the eMMC storage instead?
It's probably "up to 32gb"
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gogol said:
Because some times, you just cannot control it.
There are apps that can only be installed in the internal memory.
It is just a simple question though, but it seems no one, not even those from popular news websites / blogs can answer this question. Although they have handled, fondled, played around the Xoom at CES / MWC *sigh*
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My point was Google is smarter then us. Don't worry about it.

Freeing Up Internal Memory Is Like...

...freeing up space on your HDD from 1995. We are juggling with megabytes, not gigabytes... has anyone ever noticed that?

That's because phones are very different from desktop computers...

The phone could do with more internal storage...
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Well, I mean that some of us might feel that we don't have much space when we are only given less than 512MB of memory... if we were given 4GB of RAM, then most of us who do have problems would not...

It should at least have 1 GB of storage *for the user*
Sent from my R800i using XDA

Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server

MegaBUD said:
Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server
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I have a really old PowerMac 7300/200 with a 2 GB HDD that still works I use it to play domino!
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If you had 4gb of ram all the running services woukd kill ure batter in 5 minutes 1 gig of ram would be sufficient with a few gigs of internal storage
Sent from my R800a using XDA

OK... internal storage... I made a mistake...

MegaBUD said:
Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server
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leots said:
I have a really old PowerMac 7300/200 with a 2 GB HDD that still works I use it to play domino!
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In working for years with computers I have to say hard drives are very volatile. If I got more than 5 years or so out of a consumer hard drive up until the past few years I considered it good. Its the only part of your computer (besides fans) that has consistently moving parts.
But its true I do feel like its 1995 again with all this juggling of free space. Its pretty annoying actually

neverwinter said:
Well, I mean that some of us might feel that we don't have much space when we are only given less than 512MB of memory... if we were given 4GB of RAM, then most of us who do have problems would not...
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Why would we need 4GB? We wont fill up 512MB

I feel you bro, I got 62mb free on my internal memory, no more than 400mb free in my 8gb SD card and 2gb left on my 270gb HDD, so I definitely won't be using any link2sd thingies any soon, until I buy a new SD card, just because the damn phone nor the sdcard that comes with it doesn't come with any space for your stuff, due to the .android_secure folder occupying like 2gb and a half. It's pretty awkward, yet the phone is worth it.
Maybe I could be a Yottabyte but the internal memory is still pretty small
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Ye low space then the phone starts freezing not good, but thsts what TB is good for
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Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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psxpetey said:
Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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What does that do exactly?
I'm having a constant battle with internal storage.
I only have a few apps on my internal storage having moved most with APP2SD or Titanium yet it keeps going down.
Flash is like 12MB. But if I move it with Titanium, it tells me it is not installed.
Same with Twitter, If i move it, it doesn't allow me to sign in.
I constantly have 40mb or less free and yet I've got like nothing installed on internal memory. I don't know what's taking up all the space, anyway I can see for definite?
Thanks.

I have storage problems too.
I have only 130Mb of apps on the internal storage, the rest in on my sd card and yet still I have only 78mb free. Any suggestions as to the cause of this?

psxpetey said:
Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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Red_Kop said:
What does that do exactly?
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I think he means moving apps from the data partition to the system partition (where your base rom is stored-the stuff that is still there when you wipe data/factory reset), thus freeing up space on your data partition, which is where apps you install normally are stored.
~Troop

Sunjay140 said:
Why would we need 4GB? We wont fill up 512MB
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Yeah, when we have rooting and apps like Link2SD...

Red_Kop said:
What does that do exactly?
I'm having a constant battle with internal storage.
I only have a few apps on my internal storage having moved most with APP2SD or Titanium yet it keeps going down.
Flash is like 12MB. But if I move it with Titanium, it tells me it is not installed.
Same with Twitter, If i move it, it doesn't allow me to sign in.
I constantly have 40mb or less free and yet I've got like nothing installed on internal memory. I don't know what's taking up all the space, anyway I can see for definite?
Thanks.
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You could try this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/12/12/link2sd-guide-never-worry-about-internal-memory-limits-again/

[Q] Your thoughts on the latest update (RAM)

Hey everyone, some people are claiming that the latest update (the one after Lollipop) either fixed or drastically improved the memory management problems. If you recieved the update, can you share your experience with us?
I saw some threads about the RAM issue, but none regarding the update, so I decided to create this one. Looking forward for the answers.

I updated vía OTA file. It does improve memory management in my opinion, but i think it's not fully fixed. It closes apps sometimes. But its way better thsn before the update

feligoni said:
I updated vía OTA file. It does improve memory management in my opinion, but i think it's not fully fixed. It closes apps sometimes. But its way better thsn before the update
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Did you perform a factory reset after the update like some users recommend?

Yes it has been Improved,even after installing a lots of apps including Facebook,messenger,whatsapp,battery doctor,truecaller,gravity screen etc i am getting around 400-350 MB ram free...

Apps installed in Internet or external memory not in ram main point is when you get 350+ram this these are running in background?

ishubhamsingh said:
Yes it has been Improved,even after installing a lots of apps including Facebook,messenger,whatsapp,battery doctor,truecaller,gravity screen etc i am getting around 400-350 MB ram free...
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At what point do apps start getting killed? Can you post a screenshot to show us your RAM usage?

mpeL said:
At what point do apps start getting killed? Can you post a screenshot to show us your RAM usage?
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Only one app is there which I have seen automatically killed i.e. Google play music. Even on KitKat only this app was getting killed automatically, on any other app I didn't faced this kind of problem.I am also using KitKat developed by android x86 project on my dell laptop which has 3GB ram, even on that play music gets killed automatically.

mpeL said:
At what point do apps start getting killed? Can you post a screenshot to show us your RAM usage?
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Here's the screenshot

Memory management is much improved, but it still isn't entirely fixed.
I don't understand why people want so much free memory though. Do you guys realize that excessive free memory had a direct correlation to your apps to closing? You want as much memory used as possible while leaving just enough free to load new applications.

mcnutty said:
Memory management is much improved, but it still isn't entirely fixed.
I don't understand why people want so much free memory though.
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Yes, you do. What I don't understand is how Motorola sift through all the bull**** from people who have no idea how memory managent works under linux/android in order to decide whether the thresholds really are too aggressive or not.

mcnutty said:
Memory management is much improved, but it still isn't entirely fixed.
I don't understand why people want so much free memory though. Do you guys realize that excessive free memory had a direct correlation to your apps to closing? You want as much memory used as possible while leaving just enough free to load new applications.
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I don't think people really want tons of free RAM, they were just trying to avoid reaching the threshold (before the update). Apps on the foreground were simply getting killed even though there was a good amount of free RAM left, therefore people were leaving more free RAM available to avoid things like this, even though free RAM is useless.
By the way, thanks everyone for their replies so far

mpeL said:
I don't think people really want tons of free RAM, they were just trying to avoid reaching the threshold (before the update). Apps on the foreground were simply getting killed even though there was a good amount of free RAM left, therefore people were leaving more free RAM available to avoid things like this, even though free RAM is useless.
By the way, thanks everyone for their replies so far
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Free RAM is "headroom", it is not useless. Imagine trying to prepare a multi-course meal on a kitchen worktop with no free space to spread out and work (the worktop is an analogy to RAM) - having room to move is a MUST. That's basic programming knowledge - always dealloc (release RAM) when you're done with it.

gnubash said:
Free RAM is "headroom", it is not useless. Imagine trying to prepare a multi-course meal on a kitchen worktop with no free space to spread out and work (the worktop is an analogy to RAM) - having room to move is a MUST. That's basic programming knowledge - always dealloc (release RAM) when you're done with it.
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And at the application level, Android decides which app you're most done with and kills the process, yeah... But caching when possible obviously improves performance and reduces power usage. People complaining that they only have 300MB of RAM free instead of 400MB should just go and buy a phone that is excessively powerful for their needs, lol.

rufflove said:
And at the application level, Android decides which app you're most done with and kills the process, yeah... But caching when possible obviously improves performance and reduces power usage. People complaining that they only have 300MB of RAM free instead of 400MB should just go and buy a phone that is excessively powerful for their needs, lol.
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I think Google need to investigate RAM compression, such as Apple do in Mac OS X now.

Memory management has definitely improved IMO. Less apps get killed, plus little or no reloading on chrome, so all in all, I'm reasonably satisfied with the update. But I think Motorola can even do better
Btw here's an article on the free RAM is wasted RAM issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20163493&postcount=6695
Pretty insightful, to say the least.

mahendru1992 said:
Memory management has definitely improved IMO. Less apps get killed, plus little or no reloading on chrome, so all in all, I'm reasonably satisfied with the update. But I think Motorola can even do better
Btw here's an article on the free RAM is wasted RAM issue.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=20163493&postcount=6695
Pretty insightful, to say the least.
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That "article" is just another XDA link. With respect, I'd like to see a credible article, not one from XDA itself. The author isn't even capable of basic, coherent grammar; if he can make mistakes at such a primitive level, SO early in the "article", I'll pass, thanks.

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That "article" is just another XDA link. With respect, I'd like to see a credible article, not one from XDA itself. The author isn't even capable of basic, coherent grammar; if he can make mistakes at such a primitive level, SO early in the "article", I'll pass, thanks.
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Judgmental much, and that too based on the level of english. Way to go.
lol, dude this guy is a respectable developer here on XDA. He sure know more than you do.
Oh and how about you answer my question on your troll post first.

mahendru1992 said:
Judgmental much, and that too based on the level of english. Way to go.
lol, dude this guy is a respectable developer here on XDA. He sure know more than you do.
Oh and how about you answer my question on your troll post first.
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"He sure know more than you do"
How can any one person know who "knows more" than another person, least of all a stranger? We all have different and unique levels of knowledge, over hugely vast and varying fields of interest.
I come to XDA to grab things I need, not for intelligent discussion, and you're serving to further affirm that decision is a rational one.
Bah, you're probably 15 years old... why am I trying to reason with you? :laugh:

mahendru1992 said:
Judgmental much, and that too based on the level of english. Way to go.
lol, dude this guy is a respectable developer here on XDA. He sure know more than you do.
Oh and how about you answer my question on your troll post first.
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Jeeeez dude
Simmer down. The escalation in the tone of your opinion is way too steep :silly:
Try to maintain a level of tolerance before blarting out

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear, I was just pointing out that users wanted to have more free RAM because apps were getting killed when RAM was below ~150MB.
Also, please stop this useless argument you guys are having, ofending which other won't help at all.