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Checking for updates (way I do it)

I thought it was common sense, but my buddy with a G1 was like "I didn't know you could do that!?"
OK... so... Go to MarketPlace, Menu key--My Downloads.... if it says installed, you're all good. If it says Install and is a program you HAVE installed? Click it. Will overwrite the old version automatically.

That is one way.... but a new app on the market it makes it one step easier. Install aTrackDog... I used the way you described before this came out... it makes your life soo much easier.

neoobs said:
That is one way.... but a new app on the market it makes it one step easier. Install aTrackDog... I used the way you described before this came out... it makes your life soo much easier.
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Yeah, have heard it doesn't update that fast?

There are some reasons not to use aTrack Dog. I'm manually updating my apps for now. Maybe Google will refine the Market app with an update feature later.

jashsu said:
There are some reasons not to use aTrack Dog. I'm manually updating my apps for now. Maybe Google will refine the Market app with an update feature later.
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Oh wow.. thanks! That's even worse!

Some apps (Twitdroid is a good example) alerts you if there's a new update; and most apps have contact details for the developer, so maybe drop them an email and ask for some auto update code to be added into your favourite apps? Bummer though, you still have to go into the market to update them.

jashsu said:
There are some reasons not to use aTrack Dog. I'm manually updating my apps for now. Maybe Google will refine the Market app with an update feature later.
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Good point but then again... I personally want to know about others beta's, I think aTrackDog should do something thou... make it so all apps are defaulted to not update.
Either way I don't see any real reasons to not use it except that you should know it may show a beta version. The updates are fast usually everytime I open it there is at least one program on there.

neoobs said:
Either way I don't see any real reasons to not use it except that you should know it may show a beta version. The updates are fast usually everytime I open it there is at least one program on there.
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True, I suppose it is a matter of personal preference. Since I only have a half dozen apps installed on my G1, it's rather trivial to just check the download list. I balance that against having yet another app installed, not to mention having my app installation habits data-mined by aTrackdog.

neoobs said:
Good point but then again... I personally want to know about others beta's, I think aTrackDog should do something thou... make it so all apps are defaulted to not update.
Either way I don't see any real reasons to not use it except that you should know it may show a beta version. The updates are fast usually everytime I open it there is at least one program on there.
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I am not a developer but can see a potential for an exploit on this maybe? Sending out info isn't ever really a good idea. Even if it's set to only send out this and that data, I have seen exploits take advantage of less.

Both valid points, but then again look at the stuff I can't uninstall LOL that can send out just as much info. Everything is a risk, and honestly maybe application mining my G1 is a good thing, might lead to more big name developers wasting money to make quality apps for cheap/free. Never know might make MS want to make an office suite... or better yet... openoffice doing it.

neoobs said:
Both valid points, but then again look at the stuff I can't uninstall LOL that can send out just as much info. Everything is a risk, and honestly maybe application mining my G1 is a good thing, might lead to more big name developers wasting money to make quality apps for cheap/free. Never know might make MS want to make an office suite... or better yet... openoffice doing it.
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Yeah I wouldn't really hold my breath on OpenOffice for Android. Aside from the fact that most desktop apps have to be completely retooled to function in a mobile context, i'm sure Sun isn't too happy about Google brewing up Dalvik based on Java (which quite directly competes with J2ME). Dataviz is already working on an Android version of DocsToGo.
Of course if Google were to put more of their engineers on Android/mobile development, maybe we could see Google Docs for Android. Let's hope those Christmas Bonus Dreams lead to more apps Googlers make in their 20%.

aTrackDog work nice

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Yeah I wouldn't really hold my breath on OpenOffice for Android. Aside from the fact that most desktop apps have to be completely retooled to function in a mobile context, i'm sure Sun isn't too happy about Google brewing up Dalvik based on Java (which quite directly competes with J2ME). Dataviz is already working on an Android version of DocsToGo.
Of course if Google were to put more of their engineers on Android/mobile development, maybe we could see Google Docs for Android. Let's hope those Christmas Bonus Dreams lead to more apps Googlers make in their 20%.
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Isn't openoffice made publically? (not the source but the actual development is by the general public) wouldn't that mean if enough got an android they could do it? LOL
And I bust up over the G1 for all Google employees. But then again that article made it sound like every employee normally gets 20,000 for Christmas *cough*bull*cough* I bet only the high ups got anywhere close to that and probably the lowers got 100 dollars and maybe some free software or something.

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Isn't openoffice made publically? (not the source but the actual development is by the general public) wouldn't that mean if enough got an android they could do it? LOL
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Actually it is an open source project. However project leaders have very broad discretion to guide the direction a project takes. A good example would be the Android Open Source Project.
And I bust up over the G1 for all Google employees. But then again that article made it sound like every employee normally gets 20,000 for Christmas *cough*bull*cough* I bet only the high ups got anywhere close to that and probably the lowers got 100 dollars and maybe some free software or something.
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Yeah the average Googler received a $1000 holiday bonus last year.

wow 1000 dollar bonus... that is really good... but I understand why that is cut in half this year especially with the way the economy is.

bless it, why do so many dang apps autostart?

:/ getting sick of opening taskkiller, and there are a dozen things up and running that i never started. ever. why is amazon mp3 always on? why is pandora starting up w/o my tacit approval? why are a bunch of other applications starting up w/o me saying so? how do i stop it w/o rooting the machine?
why in god's name is amazon mp3 even on this thing? i hate it.
and, to any lurking google employees, i simply hate admob. adfree will be the first thing i put on if (more like 'when') i root this thing

timothydonohue said:
:/ getting sick of opening taskkiller, and there are a dozen things up and running that i never started. ever. why is amazon mp3 always on? why is pandora starting up w/o my tacit approval? why are a bunch of other applications starting up w/o me saying so? how do i stop it w/o rooting the machine?
why in god's name is amazon mp3 even on this thing? i hate it.
and, to any lurking google employees, i simply hate admob. adfree will be the first thing i put on if (more like 'when') i root this thing
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Just because you see it listed in a task manager doesn't mean it's running. You should check your task manager's documentation for details.

If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.

uansari1 said:
If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
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it isn't normal on any other OS. i can set up my starting apps on windows, windows mobile, and ubuntu. and, nothing that i shut just auto goes on any of those. doesn't make sense that these things just start by themselves.
btw, couldja turn down the 'tone'? 'deal w it' isn't very helpful

Get the app called Startup Auditor, it's like .99 cents or something, not sure.
This allows you to disable any apps that auto start.

ironcrotch said:
Get the app called Startup Auditor, it's like .99 cents or something, not sure.
This allows you to disable any apps that auto start.
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It's called AutoStart but it won't prevent apps from showing up in task managers after startup.

timothydonohue said:
it isn't normal on any other OS. i can set up my starting apps on windows, windows mobile, and ubuntu. and, nothing that i shut just auto goes on any of those. doesn't make sense that these things just start by themselves.
btw, couldja turn down the 'tone'? 'deal w it' isn't very helpful
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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.

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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
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no man, you reaaly need to chill.
you didnt have to post, you didnt have to read.
and definitely you dont have to be rude.
then your argument.. uninstall. yeah right, its not always possible if you're not rooted.
and im curious too. there doesnt seem to be a 'standard' when an app gets installed. sometimes they all get started at reboot, sometimes only some of them. I would be interested to know why as well.

Some of you guys are straight rude about this.
This drive me nutz too, the apps starting, so does the negativity on this forum.
# free before and after task killer:
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# free
free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 395068 349336 45732 0 4964
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 395068 349336 45732
# free
free
total used free shared buffers
Mem: 395068 259224 135844 0 4964
Swap: 0 0 0
Total: 395068 259224 135844
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uansari1
If you, and the others that are so OCD about this, are so adamantly opposed, then uninstall all of your apps and reinstall them only when you use them. That's the only way to get around it. Otherwise, deal with it. It's normal and isn't such a drain on your phone.
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The tone needs to be turned up when people keep *****ing about the same thing day in and day out. This is normal for Android. This isn't Windows, Windows Mobile or Ubuntu. Again... if you don't like it, get a Windows Mobile phone. Otherwise, deal with it.
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Not everybody is a computer expert dude. You should keep your negativity to yourself because other people might find the discussion on this interesting. Youu answers are weak and rude and you do not contribute to this discussion.

It is annoying, but it wont matter so much once we get the full 512MB of RAM available for use.
Until then you can use "Startup Auditor" (unfortunately not free) to find and disable startup apps. It works about 90% of the time...some disabled(and "keep disabled") apps still manage to start anyway.

halfsight said:
Not everybody is a computer expert dude. You should keep your negativity to yourself because other people might find the discussion on this interesting. Youu answers are weak and rude and you do not contribute to this discussion.
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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.

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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
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And you see bro, that is a much more productive answer, my android addiction has me checking everything I can. Killing apps did make a difference on my G1. Not as much on this one, but with my new ram patch it is running even faster.

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Look man, I'm not a computer expert either... I have two degrees in business and am in law school. But I do have an Android fetish. My point was only that this is normal for Android.
You had 45mb free before the task killer. That's plenty of free memory. As I said in another thread about this very topic, Android will automatically kill apps when free memory reaches a certain threshold. What's the point of leaving memory free anyway? If you're not using it, it's just sitting there going to waste when it could be caching an app to open faster when I tap on it.
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man, how is it you dont understand I would like to know the reason why this happens? i m not interested in the fact that i have enough memory. I would like to know why some of the apps I install autostart and some others dont.
as for the caching... it doesnt really work like that. the apps you kill free the memory, which THEN can be used for caching. if you dont task-kill them, android will do it on its own, but that adds another step before your new app can be loaded. there is a point in killing tasks. its just not everyone benefits from it.

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And you see bro, that is a much more productive answer, my android addiction has me checking everything I can. Killing apps did make a difference on my G1. Not as much on this one, but with my new ram patch it is running even faster.
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I'm glad you think the answer is productive bro... but it's not anything that hasn't been said before in this forum and numerous others. I'm sure you can understand that it becomes tiring when people ask the same questions over and over, and don't bother searching or doing their own research to find the answers. Everyone, it seems, wants to be spoonfed the information without doing much, if any, work to find it themselves.
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man, how is it you dont understand I would like to know the reason why this happens? i m not interested in the fact that i have enough memory. I would like to know why some of the apps I install autostart and some others dont.
as for the caching... it doesnt really work like that. the apps you kill free the memory, which THEN can be used for caching. if you dont task-kill them, android will do it on its own, but that adds another step before your new app can be loaded. there is a point in killing tasks. its just not everyone benefits from it.
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I totally understand that you want, and a few others, want to know why all this works the way it does. Again, this has all been covered ad nauseum in this forum, as well as the Dream, Magic, and Hero forums. The apps themselves have been written by the developers to automatically open. That's why when you start up any Android phone, some apps will be running. So again, one last time, this is normal behavior for Android.

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I'm glad you think the answer is productive bro... but it's not anything that hasn't been said before in this forum and numerous others. I'm sure you can understand that it becomes tiring when people ask the same questions over and over, and don't bother searching or doing their own research to find the answers. Everyone, it seems, wants to be spoonfed the information without doing much, if any, work to find it themselves.
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uansari, i DO search, thank you very much, but i'm not going to troll the forums for 70 other phones looking for an answer to my questions. do you insult everyone this much, or are you just feeling like a jerk today?
i get why apps would stay open. but, it makes absolutely no sense for an app like amazon mp3 to autostart after i have closed it. and, you're answer of 'it is just what android does' means you actually have no clue, and are no help, and have given up finding a solution. i don't care about whether you're in law school. i also have 2 undergrads, mathematics and biochem, with a concentration in engineering (ce and ee to be exact), and am currently working on both my phd and my md, 6 years into an 8 year program. so, you can take your piddly 3 year graduate program, and your inane unhelpful responses, and cram them. maybe you can impress some waitress at ihop with your credentials, but i've taken dumps that impress me more.
if you can't help, leave.

timothydonohue said:
uansari, i DO search, thank you very much, but i'm not going to troll the forums for 70 other phones looking for an answer to my questions. do you insult everyone this much, or are you just feeling like a jerk today?
i get why apps would stay open. but, it makes absolutely no sense for an app like amazon mp3 to autostart after i have closed it. and, you're answer of 'it is just what android does' means you actually have no clue, and are no help, and have given up finding a solution. i don't care about whether you're in law school. i also have 2 undergrads, mathematics and biochem, with a concentration in engineering (ce and ee to be exact), and am currently working on both my phd and my md, 6 years into an 8 year program. so, you can take your piddly 3 year graduate program, and your inane unhelpful responses, and cram them. maybe you can impress some waitress at ihop with your credentials, but i've taken dumps that impress me more.
if you can't help, leave.
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I do feel like a jerk today, yes. As for why the apps open... I said it's normal for Android... not "that's what Android does". If you read my posts, you'll see that I said that the application developer writes the program that way. That being the case, take it up with the Amazon app dev.

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I do feel like a jerk today, yes. As for why the apps open... I said it's normal for Android... not "that's what Android does". If you read my posts, you'll see that I said that the application developer writes the program that way. That being the case, take it up with the Amazon app dev.
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I don't think the Amazon app has a developer lol, well not that anyone can contact. Don't know for sure though, ~.~.
And I thought the Nexus one didn't close apps now because it has more free RAM, or something (I'm only 14 here, not yet very educated in this), unlike previous Android phones that had to conserve their resources in order to stay stable. Apps will not close until the phone reaches a limit in which it cannot handle caching the apps. I'm just repeating, but isn't this to answer to the question?
It has been said quite much, especially if I remember it.. (and if I'm correct, that is)

Incorrect. Android, regardless of how much RAM it has, will keep applications in memory until an active process requires more memory than is available. This can be a new application being launched or an active application/service that needs more memory.
Freeing memory by killing applications is not likely to speed up the phone. You may get a slight boost in launch speed if memory is full to the point that applications need to be deallocated from memory but not otherwise.
To actually understand why I say this you need to understand a bit about how an android application really works. This is an over generalization but an android application is basically made up of 2 components Activities and Services. The principal activity for an application is what you would see in the "applications" tab. An activity that is not in the foreground is not using CPU. If an application wants to do any work when the activity is not in the foreground it needs to spawn a service. A service can continue to use CPU and potentially allocate more memory while the main activity is not in the foreground. Services would be listed in the "processes" tab of Advanced Task Manager.
So if you kill an "application" without killing any services associated with it then you in reality have not done much. Taking as an example if you kill the "Amazon MP3" application without also killing the "MP3 store" you have in actuality accomplished very little. The google IM application actually spawns multiple services "IM" and "Google Talk Service". I want to stress this. If an application that has not gone rogue is using CPU it is not likely to be the Activity but an underlying service. It gets a little more complicated since not all applications behave as they should but everything in the stock install is safe from this standpoint.
Now onto the second half, and if you are still reading at this point thanks. Any application can request permission to recieve the event of boot completion. Typically this is done to start some background service. So if an application other than the default set starts at bootup it is because you clicked ok to its permission to do so. You are sort of limited in what you can do about the default applications, about the only way I could think of to "prevent" start up would be to create an application to let it all start up then kill whichever apps you deem objectionable. At a guess that is how your start up application works. It might be possible to intercept the boot up complete broadcast but if you can I am not aware of how. A broadcast by definition is supposed to go to all broadcast receivers configured to listen for it. The default set of applications were chosen to start with deliberation and are unlikely to cause any problems. If you launch sufficient apps to necessitate their closing they will close and not cause problems.
The TLDR version. So many apps start at boot up because they asked to be, and in the case of any app you install, because you gave permission for them to start.

@JanetPanic
Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for your post.
It was/is very insightful, productive, informative and worth bookmarking (for me at least).
You've singehandedly taken a thread that has been jacked, and redirected it towards it's original purpose.
I hope everyone takes not.
This is HOW A FORUM WORKS.
Contribute. Participate. Discuss.

OrganizedFellow said:
@JanetPanic
Thank you TREMENDOUSLY for your post.
It was/is very insightful, productive, informative and worth bookmarking (for me at least).
You've singehandedly taken a thread that has been jacked, and redirected it towards it's original purpose.
I hope everyone takes not.
This is HOW A FORUM WORKS.
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+1 thanks Janet.
I knew the first part (which I tried to explain to uansari1 with no success), but I didnt know the details of the boot process.
very much appreciated!
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RAM....how much do you have free?

running pancake 1.5c without sense and the new apps2sd with gbhil's custom kernel i have 110mb free ram and 146mb free internal storage.
i also have about 35 apps installed.
how about you guys?

Running fresh 2.0d with rosie and launcher2 removed, I just use helix. a2sd with about 80+? apps, dalvik cache not on SD. And I average around 80 mb free RAM during the day. And 90+ after a recent reboot.
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Oh yeah, well I've got a 2TB Hard drive and am only using 2MB of it!

Around 80mb usually.

abcdfv said:
Oh yeah, well I've got a 2TB Hard drive and am only using 2MB of it!
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lots of room for porn then buddy!

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lots of room for porn then buddy!
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But then I wouldn't have any free space. What's the point of having a 2TB harddrive if I'm just going to fill it up? I'd rather be able to brag about how it's not getting used.

abcdfv said:
But then I wouldn't have any free space. What's the point of having a 2TB harddrive if I'm just going to fill it up? I'd rather be able to brag about how it's not getting used.
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how much did you pay for a 2tg hdd?

I don't actually have a 2TB HDD. I'm using it as a point saying "I bought a device with X amount of storage, and doing everything in my power to not use any of it."
It's basically the same as having 4GB of RAM, and only using 1GB of it. 3GB is completly wasted. Empty RAM does not benefit anyone, nor does any free space. If it's empty, it's wasted.

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I don't actually have a 2TB HDD. I'm using it as a point saying "I bought a device with X amount of storage, and doing everything in my power to not use any of it."
It's basically the same as having 4GB of RAM, and only using 1GB of it. 3GB is completly wasted. Empty RAM does not benefit anyone, nor does any free space. If it's empty, it's wasted.
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the more ram the faster your phone or pc will run.

Explain to me how. Cause I can explain a hundred different ways how that's wrong, to a point.

abcdfv said:
Explain to me how. Cause I can explain a hundred different ways how that's wrong, to a point.
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Even in computers empty RAM is wasted. Most people don't seem to realize that the reason more RAM speeds up a computer is because that RAM is USED by programs instead of the hard drive. If you have 8gb of RAM and only ever use 4, you've wasted 4gb of RAM because it's sitting there doing nothing, instead of being filled with programs/cache information/etc.
It's similar with the phones. If the RAM is sitting there idle because it's not being used for anything it's just...sitting there. It makes more sense to fill it with something than leave it doing nothing, which is the point I believe abcdfv is making.

smw6180 said:
Even in computers empty RAM is wasted. Most people don't seem to realize that the reason more RAM speeds up a computer is because that RAM is USED by programs instead of the hard drive. If you have 8gb of RAM and only ever use 4, you've wasted 4gb of RAM because it's sitting there doing nothing, instead of being filled with programs/cache information/etc.
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I'd kiss you, but don't know where you live. Huzzah for me not being the only one to get it.

abcdfv said:
I'd kiss you, but don't know where you live. Huzzah for me not being the only one to get it.
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*shrug* Too many people think 'more is better'..they're wrong.
As for kissing me...my wife would get mad, so..

smw6180 said:
*shrug* Too many people think 'more is better'..they're wrong.
As for kissing me...my wife would get mad, so..
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Nah, she could join in.

http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
That article goes well beyond talking about free memory, but it does explain exactly what abcdfv and swm are saying. Unused free memory means nothing.

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http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
That article goes well beyond talking about free memory, but it does explain exactly what abcdfv and swm are saying. Unused free memory means nothing.
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I still think you should add my explanation of how Linux handles RAM/Swap differently then Windows to that.

Then why is it helpful to manipulate minfree settings?
I suppose it could be placebo but I swear I've found a sweet spot between stock settings and aggressive where my phone runs better than at either extreme. Am I misunderstanding that by your rationale the phone should run just as well at stock settings than any other?

The reason you might be seeing an increase in performance is the "free" RAM is being temporarily utilized when using the phone. The more free the more potential for the phone to use it, but having 124 mb free is most likely useless, the OS will most likely never use that much by itself.
I'm with the others, free is wasted, but that doesn't mean try to max it out, because spikes in usage will take up more than what the phone will report when you check it.

I sit at 50

I understand and have always known having a ton of free space is a waste.
But having not enough can be a problem. I just read a post from a sprint admin stating "dont let your ram get to 15 or 20mb because it will cause issues, specially with voicemail and messaging."
I really doubt anything major (not gunna hurt the phone), but problems with everyday use.
Just saying.. Not that any of you run that low anyways

Where's the RAM?

Coming from a Nexus my only question about the epic is where's all the RAM?!
The nexus had 512mb too and I had almost 300mb free on boot. This thing is in the 100s and drops to 50ish after a few apps loaded! What's up with that?

Yea I came from a nexus too, and sorda wonder same thing. But I can say dk17 ran snappier than the nexus... but froyo is now slower and laggier than the nexus...
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Welcome to bloatware. That is why we all want asop. With all the junk sprint loads on the phone even if you do not use it has a damn service running in the backround. Take a look. Download autokiller if you have root and set it to the 150 range and that will keep your ram in that range speeding up the phone.
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no, it's because not all of the 512mb in the epic is system ram
don't know the exact numbers, but there is also shared vram and stuff like that using the 512mb

I am wondering the same.I am always in the 50s
Every time I am on the browser, and switch over to a text
Or even press home, I tap on the browswer and it has to reload all over again.
Lame that it doesn't stay in memory.
My evo did not suffer from this.
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816jared said:
no, it's because not all of the 512mb in the epic is system ram
don't know the exact numbers, but there is also shared vram and stuff like that using the 512mb
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Hmm ya I was wondering that... but even the Nexus had that with the stock rom. I'm not sure if it was kernel optimizations or just the simple fact of the extra process running.
Even if you kill al processes it still doesn't go anywhere near where the nexus with compiled roms.
anyone have any luck porting cyanogen's codebase? I saw a few threads on it but sounded to me like the project was dead

Is there a way to edit the allocation of the 512MB of RAM? There must be a way to give more to the system.

When official froyo is released, I want to start a thread that deals with the Running Services, what they do, and what the ramifications are for each one if its stopped and disabled from running. I have a feeling that a lot of these running services do not need to be running. CM_Service, the voicemail service, is one example.

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Is there a way to edit the allocation of the 512MB of RAM? There must be a way to give more to the system.
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Pretty sure the allocation is handled at the kernel level so stopping services and crap will never achieve the total ram if it isn't compiled properly.

Do I need antivirus software for my Galaxy Note?

New to smartphones, I was just wondering do I need an antivirus for my Galaxy Note? And if the answer is yes, what do you guys recommend?

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Dave

foxmeister said:
All you need to know about this subject is right here.
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That's exactly the article I read that made me ask the question
Since it came from google, the manufacturer of android, I think they would try to protect the integrity of their product, so I am not sure....

Checkout these articles: http://www.neowin.net/news/free-android-anti-virus-products-virtually-useless - http://www.neowin.net/news/wp7-avg-antivirus-app-is-possibly-spyware
I personally feel Google trying to do their down things does allow malware to get in once a while and need to improve Android security. I am more worried with the privacy issue (Carrier IQ). I still feel there is a level of openness with Android, its not entire open source, but at least you can see something unlike some competing mobile os.
Personally I use AdFree (which does more than block ads since it block malware sites from loading, it basically adds IP blocklist to your /etc/hosts file, which you can also do manually) and LBE Privacy Guard (which seems to be a great concept allowing to deny permissions of apps, my only concern of it is being closed source, there is a big thread about it).

having an antivirus is useful. a few months ago my motorola atrix was having a bug where the screen would only light up when i first turned it on. if i locked it and then tried to unlock it, the screen would work, but the backlight wouldnt work.
i grabbed dr. web light, not expecting it to really do anything. ended up finding malware, and after removing the malware, screen backlight started working properly again.
on a phone like the galaxy note, theres more than enough processing power to run a background virus scanner without running out of puff, so i say, why not?

The answer to this question is really quite simple, it depends on this:
Do you carefully watch the permissions of apps you are about to install?
If your answer is: "yes, I carefully watch the permissions and don't install apps such as tetris which wants access to sms" then you can quite safely go without any anti malware software.
If your answer on the other hand is: "no, I just install interesting apps and quickly click through the permission page to start the download" then yes, you might benefit of software to protect your device.
The beauty of Android is that whatever app you are about to install INCLUDING malware states clearly what part of your device it is going to access. If people don't bother reading the permissions then a big part of fault is on them also. However this isn't really too well explained, especially for new users, so I assume a majority of users don't really understand WHY the permissions are shown before downloading an app. This is something Google could improve on in my opinion.
And lastly, the fact that apps coming to Apples app store are screened doesn't make it any more secure than Android. It just has people making the choices FOR you. If something well hidden is slipped past them, not a single user will know about the threat. Just as one app developer showed in public a few weeks ago and as a result got his developer status cancelled by Apple.
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Also a small note here. A virus is something that multiplies and spreads (weather it's bacteria or code doesn't matter). The malicious apps in the market are malware and spyware and because of this the word antivirus for Android isn't really correct. They don't stop viruses, they stop malicious apps.
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here's the link to the story of that Apple developer:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygre...per-program-for-proof-of-concept-exploit-app/
this just proves that app store isn't any more secure than Android market. It just has people who take a look at apps before they are approved, and as you can read, they are far from perfect.

How many of you guys use Antivirus?
Who here does not feel the need?
Does Google recommend it like Windows does for PC? (already read the article from one Google guy saying Antivirus companies are playing on our fears, but he is only one guy)
And to those who have used antivirus software, which software did you use on your Note specifically and has it slowed down your Note or increased the battery consumption?

knowsnophones said:
How many of you guys use Antivirus?
Who here does not feel the need?
Does Google recommend it like Windows does for PC? (already read the article from one Google guy saying Antivirus companies are playing on our fears, but he is only one guy)
And to those who have used antivirus software, which software did you use on your Note specifically and has it slowed down your Note or increased the battery consumption?
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You already have a couple fairly comprehensive answers to your first post but I'll answer these questions too:
I do not use any antivirus and I do not feel the need to
Aside from that article, I haven't seen a single mention from Google about needing any antivirus at all.
The so called antivirus programs that are made for Android right now suck. They don't stop enough malware to be worth the money or effort, here's a few source links for evidence: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...rus-apps-are-useless-heres-what-to-do-instead and http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/231902823
Just by using common sense you will be fine with no antivirus app. If you really want an antivirus app, then go get it. It will be close to useless and it won't stop all threats anyway so you will still have to use common sense to be protected anyway.

I installed avast. it is free and no it doesn't slow down my note.

friedje said:
I installed avast. it is free and no it doesn't slow down my note.
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I got the AVG pro, might not really need it since I´m kind of anal about what I install on the GNOTE... But better safe than sorry...
+1 doesn´t slow things down.

akselic said:
You already have a couple fairly comprehensive answers to your first post but I'll answer these questions too:
I do not use any antivirus and I do not feel the need to
Aside from that article, I haven't seen a single mention from Google about needing any antivirus at all.
The so called antivirus programs that are made for Android right now suck. They don't stop enough malware to be worth the money or effort, here's a few source links for evidence: http://www.extremetech.com/computin...rus-apps-are-useless-heres-what-to-do-instead and http://www.informationweek.com/byte/news/231902823
Just by using common sense you will be fine with no antivirus app. If you really want an antivirus app, then go get it. It will be close to useless and it won't stop all threats anyway so you will still have to use common sense to be protected anyway.
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Just because YOU feel superior to most other users, doesn't mean that they have the knowledge or enough 'common sense' to understand the permissions some apps ask for. The fact that an antivirus is not 100% safe doesn't mean it is 100% useless.... If it stops just one threath it already made sense..
There are lots of good FREE antivirus programs so where is the reason NOT to install one ???
There are also ppl that don't take medics, because if they or their children die from FLU that was Gods will.......
Maybe you should consider that not all users of a smartphone are IT-gods like you

friedje said:
I installed avast. it is free and no it doesn't slow down my note.
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ville7805 said:
I got the AVG pro, might not really need it since I´m kind of anal about what I install on the GNOTE... But better safe than sorry...
+1 doesn´t slow things down.
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I have both installed, no slowdown issues and was running LBE too, may switch to droidwall or turn LBE back on. Worth noting the AVG pro is free if you qualify for the Samsung Hub exclusives.
Dave

I am using Lookout anti-virus ever since my first Android more than a year ago. It's never given me a hic-cup even when scanning.
Also, anyone knows an App which lists which App has what permission in a list form?
Thanks!
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Does a free antitrust do as good a job as a paid one
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For now they all do a rather lousy job, the free and the paid ones.
But the paid ones seem to score a bit better.
I installed LBE aswell, but you need root for it to work well.
Same goes for avast, it prefers having root access.
I use avg on my galaxy tab, works without any issues.

friedje said:
Just because YOU feel superior to most other users, doesn't mean that they have the knowledge or enough 'common sense' to understand the permissions some apps ask for. The fact that an antivirus is not 100% safe doesn't mean it is 100% useless.... If it stops just one threath it already made sense..
There are lots of good FREE antivirus programs so where is the reason NOT to install one ???
There are also ppl that don't take medics, because if they or their children die from FLU that was Gods will.......
Maybe you should consider that not all users of a smartphone are IT-gods like you
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No need to over react mate. I'm no IT-god, or a nerd or anything like an "advanced" user. The only common sense that I was referring to is something that everyone has. If you can read what the apps do, then you can read the permissions before installing them. There is no need to be an expert.
If you are installing a single player offline game that asks permissions for sms, phone calls and contacts and it isn't blacklisted by those antivirus apps yet, then it won't be detected and you can only blame yourself when you get a 600$ phone bill because the app has sent messages to premium numbers. It's not rocket science, just common sence.
If the tests conclude that 90% of androids antivirus programs manage 10-20% of malicious apps and you still want one, then go ahead and get one. No need to get offended when people are trying to give advice.