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So I've learned more about android so far than I intended or expected. I haven't needed to learn about or implement a2sd but at this point my "keepers" app collection has me down to just over 20mb free internal storage so I'm considering taking the plunge.
I haven't used a2sd yet for two reasons:
A) I haven't needed it
B) I've read lots of threads regarding difficulty with setting it up and maintaining it when switching or updating roms
So what's the scoop? Is it worth it? Is there any performance gain or is it strictly a storage benefit?
Should I go ahead and learn about it so it's in place when the time comes that I want to use it or am I better off with my current rule of thumb? Which is "if I think I NEED a2sd then I probably NEED to reevaluate my app library".
Thanks guys
nebenezer said:
So I've learned more about android so far than I intended or expected. I haven't needed to learn about or implement a2sd but at this point my "keepers" app collection has me down to just over 20mb free internal storage so I'm considering taking the plunge.
I haven't used a2sd yet for two reasons:
A) I haven't needed it
B) I've read lots of threads regarding difficulty with setting it up and maintaining it when switching or updating roms
So what's the scoop? Is it worth it? Is there any performance gain or is it strictly a storage benefit?
Should I go ahead and learn about it so it's in place when the time comes that I want to use it or am I better off with my current rule of thumb which is "if I think I NEED a2sd then I probably NEED to reevaluate my app library"
Thanks guys
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Unless you are running out of space on your phone, I wouldn't worry about it. It is supposed to be faster if you have one of the $100 8gb class 10 thingys but I don't know if its true. its fast enough already
My vote: Nay
I have never used it and have never run short of space on my phone. From all the millions of posts on the subject I can't imagine it being worth the huge pain in the ass it seems to be!
I use it, as I have and do run out of space on /data.
I have a 16 GB class 2, so I've always refrained. I'm not running out of space, but I usually decide whether or not I like an app right after I install it and if I don't like it, uninstall.
So, to answer your question...
I don't know, I'm curious myself.
I use, ran out of space on my phone the first week so was excited to do it. it was a piece of cake to set up with RA 1.6.2, and switching roms has been no big deal, I usually first try to update without wiping ext, and 9 times out of 10 it works fine and I don't have to download my apps again (though you do lose data, but that can be backed with titanium. If it does mess up, it's no big deal, I adb pull the apps out with a * and they're all on my computer pretty quickly so I can reinstall as necessary.
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I use it, as I have and do run out of space on /data.
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Do you mean to say that even using a2sd you STILL run out of space on /data?
funcrusher said:
I have a 16 GB class 2, so I've always refrained. I'm not running out of space, but I usually decide whether or not I like an app right after I install it and if I don't like it, uninstall.
So, to answer your question...
I don't know, I'm curious myself.
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lol, I was hoping this poll would benefit more than just myself
Like I said, I keep my app list pretty clean but 20mb as low as I've seen yet.
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Do you mean to say that even using a2sd you STILL run out of space on /data?
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No, no, definitely not.
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No, no, definitely not.
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ok, thanks!
I love a2sd cause I have a 8g card vs a small internal storage space on the phone. A2sd is very easy.
1. Backup your SD card on computer.
2. Root your phone if you haven't.
3. Partition your SD card via the recovery menu(I used 512mb for my ext2).
4. In the same menu at that below it change it from ext2 to ext3.
5. After complete put all of your files back on your SD card that you saved to your computer.
6. Then mostly every new 2.1 ROM has it built in now where it runs from the first bootup with no patching or user issues. Just make sure you look in the description of the ROM to make sure.
I'm running Fresh 2.0d. I just upgraded to a new 8g SD card for more music and movie storage space. So I just re-did the process. The longest part is waiting for the files to be transfered to/from the computer.
doeboy1984 said:
I love a2sd cause I have a 8g card vs a small internal storage space on the phone. A2sd is very easy.
1. Backup your SD card on computer.
2. Root your phone if you haven't.
3. Partition your SD card via the recovery menu(I used 512mb for my ext2).
4. In the same menu at that below it change it from ext2 to ext3.
5. After complete put all of your files back on your SD card that you saved to your computer.
6. Then mostly every new 2.1 ROM has it built in now where it runs from the first bootup with no patching or user issues. Just make sure you look in the description of the ROM to make sure.
I'm running Fresh 2.0d. I just upgraded to a new 8g SD card for more music and movie storage space. So I just re-did the process. The longest part is waiting for the files to be transfered to/from the computer.
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I would skip the ext3 part if I were you, kills your sd card faster
I know some people were having so trouble with some of the ROM's cause they were in ext2 but no one was having any problems while using ext3 s thats why I posted that. To help alleviate that issue
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I would skip the ext3 part if I were you, kills your sd card faster
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I don't know why they even made this an option. I have a feeling the people implementing this have no knowledge of filesystems which is frightening....
For those of you running it:
What class cards do you have?
feld said:
I don't know why they even made this an option. I have a feeling the people implementing this have no knowledge of filesystems which is frightening....
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feld,
Care to post a brief run-down of the difference between ext2 and ext3?
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For those of you running it:
What class cards do you have?
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I'm using a class 6.
jonnythan said:
I'm using a class 6.
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See, if I had a class 6 I probably would have tried it out by now. Afraid that my class 2 will slow down apps etc. ;\
I've had no problems with a class 2 8gb.
I have a class 6 on order.
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See, if I had a class 6 I probably would have tried it out by now. Afraid that my class 2 will slow down apps etc. ;\
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I doubt it, actually. The class rating only refers to the minimum write speed in an optimal situation. Read speeds seem to be decently high across the board. You'll probably never notice any difference, if there even is one.
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I doubt it, actually. The class rating only refers to the minimum write speed in an optimal situation. Read speeds seem to be decently high across the board. You'll probably never notice any difference, if there even is one.
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Yeah? What do you think about the 2.5 version or whatever that moves your dalvik over as well?
I keep asking this question, how big is the space for apps?
But got no answer from anywhere.
Well, I searched and searched, found this:
http://xperiaandroid.com/motorola-xoom-specs-and-release-date.html
" ... Xoom is armed with dual core processors have speed of 1 GHz. In addition, Xoom also powered by a internal memory 1 GB, 32 GB internal storage capacity and can be enlarged by using the SD card. ..."
I think, that 1 GB is for app and the 32 GB is the "internal USB storage" kind.
Or is this the RAM?
Come on, why no one cannot give info about the 32 GB internal memory
A lot of people went to CES, MWC ... still no info
gogol said:
I keep asking this question, how big is the space for apps?
But got no answer from anywhere.
Well, I searched and searched, found this:
" ... Xoom is armed with dual core processors have speed of 1 GHz. In addition, Xoom also powered by a internal memory 1 GB, 32 GB internal storage capacity and can be enlarged by using the SD card. ..."
I think, that 1 GB is for app and the 32 GB is the "internal USB storage" kind.
Or is this the RAM?
Come on, why no one cannot give info about the 32 GB internal memory
A lot of people went to CES, MWC ... still no info
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I believe the 1GB number is the amount of RAM the Xoom has. The 32GB number is the amount of storage space the Xoom has. These numbers are inline with most other tablets that are coming out or that are out.
SFBPro said:
I believe the 1GB number is the amount of RAM the Xoom has. The 32GB number is the amount of storage space the Xoom has. These numbers are inline with most other tablets that are coming out or that are out.
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There may be only 1GB of application storage space though. Android phones have always had a limited space for installing apps.
RAM is used for running apps
Internal storage is used to hold movies, music, etc..... in this case apps as well
as far as running out of space you should search threads on apps to SD
eallan said:
There may be only 1GB of application storage space though. Android phones have always had a limited space for installing apps.
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And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.
lol @ this thread
generic.imitation said:
lol @ this thread
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Second that
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As is said:
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-ram-and-memory.htm
Well, I know what RAM is. The only thing I need to know is the amount of storage to install apps. Xoom has 32 gb internal storage, but no one know this.
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This would be nice!
Sirchuk said:
And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.
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Sirchuk said:
And there could also be 10GB of storage for apps. Nobody knows and it's pure speculation at this point. for all we know, it may even be adjustable on Honeycomb, so you can dictate how much space to reserver for applications.
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yes adjustable storage space would be nice... lol.
how about everytime we install an app it takes up a certain amount of space, then we know how much we have left. IF we had something like that it would be amazing. I think there is something like this included with the Xoom, but it's pure speculation at this point.
I am really enjoying this thread waaay too much.
gogol said:
Well, I know what RAM is. The only thing I need to know is the amount of storage to install apps. Xoom has 32 gb internal storage, but no one know this.
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Why does it matter now? Google figured out how they wanted to install apps to the SD Card, you think they made that functionality so rigid that they can't install to the eMMC storage instead?
It's probably "up to 32gb"
Because some times, you just cannot control it.
There are apps that can only be installed in the internal memory.
It is just a simple question though, but it seems no one, not even those from popular news websites / blogs can answer this question. Although they have handled, fondled, played around the Xoom at CES / MWC *sigh*
drhill said:
Why does it matter now? Google figured out how they wanted to install apps to the SD Card, you think they made that functionality so rigid that they can't install to the eMMC storage instead?
It's probably "up to 32gb"
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Because some times, you just cannot control it.
There are apps that can only be installed in the internal memory.
It is just a simple question though, but it seems no one, not even those from popular news websites / blogs can answer this question. Although they have handled, fondled, played around the Xoom at CES / MWC *sigh*
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My point was Google is smarter then us. Don't worry about it.
...freeing up space on your HDD from 1995. We are juggling with megabytes, not gigabytes... has anyone ever noticed that?
That's because phones are very different from desktop computers...
The phone could do with more internal storage...
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Well, I mean that some of us might feel that we don't have much space when we are only given less than 512MB of memory... if we were given 4GB of RAM, then most of us who do have problems would not...
It should at least have 1 GB of storage *for the user*
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Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server
MegaBUD said:
Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server
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I have a really old PowerMac 7300/200 with a 2 GB HDD that still works I use it to play domino!
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If you had 4gb of ram all the running services woukd kill ure batter in 5 minutes 1 gig of ram would be sufficient with a few gigs of internal storage
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OK... internal storage... I made a mistake...
MegaBUD said:
Still... those 1995 hard drive are still gonna work in 50years
Quantum fireball 9gig is still powering my ftp server
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leots said:
I have a really old PowerMac 7300/200 with a 2 GB HDD that still works I use it to play domino!
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In working for years with computers I have to say hard drives are very volatile. If I got more than 5 years or so out of a consumer hard drive up until the past few years I considered it good. Its the only part of your computer (besides fans) that has consistently moving parts.
But its true I do feel like its 1995 again with all this juggling of free space. Its pretty annoying actually
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Well, I mean that some of us might feel that we don't have much space when we are only given less than 512MB of memory... if we were given 4GB of RAM, then most of us who do have problems would not...
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Why would we need 4GB? We wont fill up 512MB
I feel you bro, I got 62mb free on my internal memory, no more than 400mb free in my 8gb SD card and 2gb left on my 270gb HDD, so I definitely won't be using any link2sd thingies any soon, until I buy a new SD card, just because the damn phone nor the sdcard that comes with it doesn't come with any space for your stuff, due to the .android_secure folder occupying like 2gb and a half. It's pretty awkward, yet the phone is worth it.
Maybe I could be a Yottabyte but the internal memory is still pretty small
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Ye low space then the phone starts freezing not good, but thsts what TB is good for
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Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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psxpetey said:
Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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What does that do exactly?
I'm having a constant battle with internal storage.
I only have a few apps on my internal storage having moved most with APP2SD or Titanium yet it keeps going down.
Flash is like 12MB. But if I move it with Titanium, it tells me it is not installed.
Same with Twitter, If i move it, it doesn't allow me to sign in.
I constantly have 40mb or less free and yet I've got like nothing installed on internal memory. I don't know what's taking up all the space, anyway I can see for definite?
Thanks.
I have storage problems too.
I have only 130Mb of apps on the internal storage, the rest in on my sd card and yet still I have only 78mb free. Any suggestions as to the cause of this?
psxpetey said:
Integrate apps into your rom using tb its awesome frees up so much space
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Red_Kop said:
What does that do exactly?
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I think he means moving apps from the data partition to the system partition (where your base rom is stored-the stuff that is still there when you wipe data/factory reset), thus freeing up space on your data partition, which is where apps you install normally are stored.
~Troop
Sunjay140 said:
Why would we need 4GB? We wont fill up 512MB
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Yeah, when we have rooting and apps like Link2SD...
Red_Kop said:
What does that do exactly?
I'm having a constant battle with internal storage.
I only have a few apps on my internal storage having moved most with APP2SD or Titanium yet it keeps going down.
Flash is like 12MB. But if I move it with Titanium, it tells me it is not installed.
Same with Twitter, If i move it, it doesn't allow me to sign in.
I constantly have 40mb or less free and yet I've got like nothing installed on internal memory. I don't know what's taking up all the space, anyway I can see for definite?
Thanks.
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You could try this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2011/12/12/link2sd-guide-never-worry-about-internal-memory-limits-again/
I know we've all come across this at least once. Whether it's your Device or, your Girls. That Damm Pop Up saying " Low Disk Space " . I now have a solution for it that isn't as drastic as Re-Flashing the Entire Rom. Believe me I was surprised it would be this simple. Coincidentally it also resolved the other Pop of of " Insufficient Memory " . I would re-post it here again, but I didn't want to double post the same thing. So I'll Link you to my original Post.
SOLUTION TO LOW DISK SPACE ERROR MESSAGE
Sweet! I've actually never had it happen, but i'll keep this in mind. I'm actually a little curious so I might try it out just to see ...
Cool. Keep me posted
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Thanks for this, good idea for my wife's LG Optimus - her dialer storage is always eating up the most free space and there's only like 160mb to play with total. And she's tied to the thing all the time so getting it away from her long enough to flash a new rom and set up a2sd-ext is tough - this will be a lot quicker.
cmags said:
Thanks for this, good idea for my wife's LG Optimus - her dialer storage is always eating up the most free space and there's only like 160mb to play with total. And she's tied to the thing all the time so getting it away from her long enough to flash a new rom and set up a2sd-ext is tough - this will be a lot quicker.
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Keep me posted on how it goes. I've had a few people try it on other Devices already with no issues .
I moved my dialer storage and it did next to nothing. Then i moved data for a couple games and it made a HUGE difference.
So ... be wise about what apps you move data for I guess, but I can confirm it works well with song pop lol
sixxt9 said:
I moved my dialer storage and it did next to nothing. Then i moved data for a couple games and it made a HUGE difference.
So ... be wise about what apps you move data for I guess, but I can confirm it works well with song pop lol
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It really just depends on how much data is there. Your dialer storage could have been so small it made no difference. I haven't had to worry about low storage on my doubleshot because we got almost 1GB for apps and I usually install about 200MB of apps and that's it. Some of the main memory hogs are games that need 300mb or more of additional data like gun bros ect. Angry birds also takes a chunk of space.
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strapped365 said:
It really just depends on how much data is there. Your dialer storage could have been so small it made no difference. I haven't had to worry about low storage on my doubleshot because we got almost 1GB for apps and I usually install about 200MB of apps and that's it. Some of the main memory hogs are games that need 300mb or more of additional data like gun bros ect. Angry birds also takes a chunk of space.
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Very true. But for most users Dialer Storage is Big. I still play the Hell out of Angry Birds. Sometimes the App Cahce gets as high as 50MB, and Data well lets not get into that. Since it's on the SD Card I don't much worry about it. But I always tell people to keep in mind that the SD Card Class has a lot to do with how the Apps perform form the SD Card.
sixxt9 said:
I moved my dialer storage and it did next to nothing. Then i moved data for a couple games and it made a HUGE difference.
So ... be wise about what apps you move data for I guess, but I can confirm it works well with song pop lol
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Kool thanks for the input . Yes moving App Data to the SD Card will free up a good amount of space. Just be sure your running at least a Class 4 or better SD Card.
prboy1969 said:
Kool thanks for the input . Yes moving App Data to the SD Card will free up a good amount of space. Just be sure your running at least a Class 4 or better SD Card.
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Yeah i got a 16 gig class 4 with a 1 gig ext partition. I'm not heavy with my volume of apps though. Outta curiosity i wonder how much would be freed if I move my angry birds too ... lol
Depends on how much App Data you have. I always look at how much is there before I make a decision to move it. Also gives me a good judge of what I gained. Just be aware that some Games slow down if you move App Data to the SD Card. But it also depends on the SD Card, and your SD Card read ahead. But you can always move it back.
Yeah I have no real need to move anything now. Was just curious to see. I'll look at it later when I get bored ... it'll gimme something to do.
I was having an issue with my phone running choppy occasionally and I started getting random reboots every once in a blue moon. Turned out to be my memory settings and nothing with my data storage. So I'm back to being completely satisfied with everything again.
I'm wondering how others have their read ahead speed set. I have mine at 2048kb because thats what I read was optimal. But when I experimented with v6 supercharger, it said I should set that to 1024kb instead. I also have a 16gb class 2 microsd with a 1gb partition. I'm no longer using v6. Just wondering.
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I'm wondering how others have their read ahead speed set. I have mine at 2048kb because thats what I read was optimal. But when I experimented with v6 supercharger, it said I should set that to 1024kb instead. I also have a 16gb class 2 microsd with a 1gb partition. I'm no longer using v6. Just wondering.
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Depends on your SD Card Class, and your Device. But I've found that 2048 works well for me my Device, and my particular SD Card. My partition is 2GB. I used SD Tools to check which read ahead setting was best for me.
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Depends on your SD Card Class, and your Device. But I've found that 2048 works well for me my Device, and my particular SD Card. My partition is 2GB. I used SD Tools to check which read ahead setting was best for me.
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Thanks! I checked and 2048 is best for me too.
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Chad The Pathfinder said:
Thanks! I checked and 2048 is best for me too.
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Kool . Glad I could help.
Oh BTW peeps I know I misspell " Cool " all the time. It's intentional :silly: .
I'm running MikShift v2.1 with a2sd and when I long press on dialer storage in Titanium Backup it doesn't give me the option to move data to SD.
Do you get a minu that says "Special Features" at the top or does it say "Backup Porperties"? If it says "Backup Properties" try swiping to the screen on the right. The "Special Features" is what you want.
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Do you get a minu that says "Special Features" at the top or does it say "Backup Porperties"? If it says "Backup Properties" try swiping to the screen on the right. The "Special Features" is what you want.
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I went to special features, and it isn't there????????
prboy1969 said:
Depends on your SD Card Class, and your Device. But I've found that 2048 works well for me my Device, and my particular SD Card. My partition is 2GB. I used SD Tools to check which read ahead setting was best for me.
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How do I figure out what is the best setting from this? 16gb class 2.
Anyone else connect their phone to a PC and have the internal storage say 9.51GB and not 16GB? Does the phone use up over 6GB for the OS and stock apps? What gives?
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Anyone else connect their phone to a PC and have the internal storage say 9.51GB and not 16GB? Does the phone use up over 6GB for the OS and stock apps? What gives?
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I show 9.62 available on mine. It is kind of odd, but they did add a TON of bloatware. Once we get root and can remove those apps, we should be able to recapture quite a bit back.
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Anyone else connect their phone to a PC and have the internal storage say 9.51GB and not 16GB? Does the phone use up over 6GB for the OS and stock apps? What gives?
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Could be like the HOX and have around 10 for whatever storage and 6 dedicated for app storage and software/rom
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Yeah...seems pretty typical for a phone. ..they arent lieing as they never said 16gb useable...
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Yeah mine shows 9.62 total space and 8.48 available after installing my apps from previous phone, kinda sucks but at least there is an SD slot.
I was curious so I checked my old Sprint GNEX 32GB, it also has a chunk missing, about 7.5GB missing, so it is similar.
It would be nice if they listed the missing space as Reserved or System etc. instead of not showing it.
Yup guys 16GB total internal. The ROM and software has to sit somewhere on there. And AT&T has added so much crap to it I'm not surprised. But thats what the SD card slot is for yeah?
The stock apps seem to use up at least 1GB, plus any data they have.
Unsure about the system, but even the system for CyanogenMod 10.1 seemed to be around 600-800MB with all cache/data included. With TouchWIZ on these phones and all the extra bloat, it wouldn't surprise me if there were at least another gig in there.
Aou said:
The stock apps seem to use up at least 1GB, plus any data they have.
Unsure about the system, but even the system for CyanogenMod 10.1 seemed to be around 600-800MB with all cache/data included. With TouchWIZ on these phones and all the extra bloat, it wouldn't surprise me if there were at least another gig in there.
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Exactly. I heard the ROM file for the S4 was like 1.2 gigs or something like that. That's without cache and whatever else it needs to do.
I remember when I had the S3 the ROM file was like 800 megs for TW. And for AOSP it was like 250.
Even with a debloated rom its gonna be the same as the system partition is already set regardless of whats on it...just so you guys know of course it is posssiboe for a dev to tweak partition amounts...but they typically dont unless necessary
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