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Slight clarification on Android OS updates for the HTC Hero & Samsung Moment. Will be updating straight to Android 2.1, not 2.0, in 1H2010.
http://twitter.com/sprint
So we have as much as 6 months to wait, but at least they've spoken!
And if google releases android 2.3+ within the next 6 months.....HTC & Sprint will just delay again and go with the newer OS...This is sooo un-cool.
Haha...I love the 1h...We are gonna have 2.1 up by then. Go XDA! XD
lonerebel said:
And if google releases android 2.3+ within the next 6 months.....HTC & Sprint will just delay again and go with the newer OS...This is sooo un-cool.
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I was about to say that. It's almost like they are delaying on purpose. Not to worry...anything that is in the newer Androids these guys here at XDA can put in the Hero.
i guess we will have to wait for Sprint to have another delay before they say EXACTLY what we want to hear for our Androids..
XDA RULEZZ!!
Don't worry guys, once Verizon releases the Eris update, we can pretty much pick that apart and put it on our devices.
You think Verizon will get the 2.1 update out before sprint does? I mean there's a first for everything and all but I remember almost every Win Mo phone that has shared the two, software updates where much more likely to see sprint first. I haven't heard Verizon say when there's is coming out either and they seem to be slower or more thorough in testing.
If sprint doesn't get off there butt and release 2.x soon, then they will be loosing a customer. I for one am tired of their lazy asses being last to do upgrades. you know im sure that they could release the source with the module sources, and the more than qualified Devs here could have us a 2.x rom within days. Who cares about Rosie. I mean really. GET WITH IT SPRINT!!!!!
Sprint is waiting for all the devs on here to get the Hero on 2.1 then they will take all these dev. hard work and put it into their install and say that it' ready. I think the people on here are moving faster than Sprint can ever hope to.
At this rate, we're gonna see 2.1 looong before Sprint does.
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If sprint doesn't get off there butt and release 2.x soon, then they will be loosing a customer. I for one am tired of their lazy asses being last to do upgrades. you know im sure that they could release the source with the module sources, and the more than qualified Devs here could have us a 2.x rom within days. Who cares about Rosie. I mean really. GET WITH IT SPRINT!!!!!
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I for one am sick and tired of hearing all the *****ing about sprint better do this or sprint better have it out by this time or im leaving ****ING LEAVE ALREADY sprint has never been know to quickly push out updates if you wanna go pay another carrier more money monthly for the same service you get with sprint do it dont let the door hit you on your way out there is only one phone out there with 2.0 (not counting the roms here) no one else is even giving release date or saying they are even gunna upgrade them to 2.X so either suck it up and deal with it or bounce
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I for one am sick and tired of hearing all the *****ing about sprint better do this or sprint better have it out by this time or im leaving ****ING LEAVE ALREADY sprint has never been know to quickly push out updates if you wanna go pay another carrier more money monthly for the same service you get with sprint do it dont let the door hit you on your way out there is only one phone out there with 2.0 (not counting the roms here) no one else is even giving release date or saying they are even gunna upgrade them to 2.X so either suck it up and deal with it or bounce
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+1....
+5000000.....like truthfully, why are you whining when you're on a board that has people actually pretty close to getting 2.1 out already.....remember sesame street? "Three of these things belong together...." lol
702DROID said:
I for one am sick and tired of hearing all the *****ing about sprint better do this or sprint better have it out by this time or im leaving ****ING LEAVE ALREADY sprint has never been know to quickly push out updates if you wanna go pay another carrier more money monthly for the same service you get with sprint do it dont let the door hit you on your way out there is only one phone out there with 2.0 (not counting the roms here) no one else is even giving release date or saying they are even gunna upgrade them to 2.X so either suck it up and deal with it or bounce
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I have been with sprint for a long time and dont get me wrong they are really slow when it comes to releasing updates, but at the same time I noticed with my blackberry that when they do finally release updates that unlike some of these other carriers that just push the stuff out to try to be the most up to date. sprint doesnt have nearly the same amount of problems with their release. yes they are slow, yes if you are on this forum then you want to be cool and be farther ahead than the general public, and that there is nothing wrong with that but, dont get mad at sprint because they want to be a little cautious and and make sure that stuff works right when they send it to their customers.
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And if google releases android 2.3+ within the next 6 months.....HTC & Sprint will just delay again and go with the newer OS...This is sooo un-cool.
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And if they were updating to 2.0 and not to 2.1, then a LOT of people would be upset that they did not update to the latest available OS. Give them a break, at least its an official word that they are in fact updating to the most current OS. I do understand they take forever, but hey, for such a cheap monthly charge I am more than happy to wait and maximize the experience with 1.5 and then get a feeling for new phone when the update comes out. (OF Course... 2.1 its gonna be around XDA WAY before, but kudos to sprint for coming out officially and giving us the official word).
Im spreading a rumor.Flipz is a secret undercover agent for Sprint. he develops all these hot fixes and tools and laughs at you wanting more.
So glad that we can Root and forget about waiting on sprint to hand a OTA update.
I honestly dont care about 2.0. As others have said, there is only one phone running the OS so not that big of deal. What i dont understand is why not the upgrade to 1.6? It came out right about the same time as the hero if memory serves me right. And based on what i have read, it really just 1.5 with some fixes, not all the added features like 2.0. Now im sure the bright minds at sprint could have had sense working on 1.6 in a matter of days if its just some fixes, but i cant know for sure. Most android phones run 1.6, apps are being created for 1.6 and higher, yet we have to wait for 2.1? Doesnt seem like a good way to keep or gain customers.
wow i posted that then logged off and its already on the second page
for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
Thanks,
-Grant
says the devs are working hard on support for 4g though. As much hype that it has generated already, I have no doubt that devs will have everything compatible within a very short time period.
I don't see it taking too long for Google to release an Android Froyo with built in WiMAX support, especially since it's coming out over the Summer. As far as how long it's going to take HTC/Sprint to release it... Well us Hero users can vouch for them not having very timely releases. (kernel source anyone?)
I'm sure sprint and google will have it working... no doubt... but making the same changes to what's out there right now... or what comes in the near future... might be a challange for xda developers not sprint ones.
i thin it will be fine. its advertised as the first 4g phone in america and its not coming out until summer. thats a long time in cell phone years
Agreed. I guess the hope is just that the 4G compatibility trickles in from Google and not from HTC.
johnsongrantr said:
for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
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-Grant
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Mild fail, i'd say. You haven't even deterred me an ounce from not molesting this phone at launch. Nothing you mentioned is a potential downside when the fixes will be done by summer's launch. Why don't we actually get the device in hand first, start hacking away and then proclaim all the doom we want, eh?? It's still at least ~3 months away.
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Mild fail, i'd say. You haven't even deterred me an ounce from not molesting this phone at launch. Nothing you mentioned is a potential downside when the fixes will be done by summer's launch. Why don't we actually get the device in hand first, start hacking away and then proclaim all the doom we want, eh?? It's still at least ~3 months away.
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mild fail? I said I'm not trying to detour anyone. If you want to get one... then be my guest, in fact, it looks like the best android phone to date. *I* am just not getting one, and was letting whoever cared to know, why I wasn't.
I'm not sure how you are interpreting what I wrote, but I'm going to try to lay it as flat on the table as possible.
-All the roms floating around on xda right now may not be fully functional with the EVO.
-root may not be possible out of the box, or for a long time, or even at all.
-custom build for the wimax code may be proprietary and might not ever get merged with AOSP.
-updates to the next version of android will depend totally on sprint and htc.
-android, senceUI, and wimax will work fine right out of the box I am sure of it.
that is all I'm saying, you are acting like I'm attacking the EVO, I am absolutely not. I was probably going to get one until I read that article, and the points I made are why. These are my personal beliefs after seeing what has happened with sprint and android up until this point, take it however you want, but please take with a grain of salt, any one or all the points I made may not end up being true.
That is all.
Early adopters of any new technology will always face mild setbacks like these.
So long as someone can figure out stealth tethering, I don't think people will be going nuts having to wait for a custom rom.
I still really want one, but I'm going to use my TP2 on sprint for as long as I can until I get bored with it, and too upset with people stopping development on wm6+ apps simply because wm7 was announced.
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So long as someone can figure out stealth tethering, I don't think people will be going nuts having to wait for a custom rom.
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tethering is a native feature of the phone, and there's no limit on data usage... so i don't know what you're worried about.
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tethering is a native feature of the phone, and there's no limit on data usage... so i don't know what you're worried about.
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it comes on other sprint android phones out of the box as well, but you have to pay for the tethering access for it to work. There's actually 2 accounts in your radio programming on your phone, one for normal data, one for shared, the second doesn't work unless sprint enables it. The wifi tethering hack just pushes both accesses through the same account.
I can see why he would be concerned
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it comes on other sprint android phones out of the box as well, but you have to pay for the tethering access for it to work. There's actually 2 accounts in your radio programming on your phone, one for normal data, one for shared, the second doesn't work unless sprint enables it. The wifi tethering hack just pushes both accesses through the same account.
I can see why he would be concerned
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Thats a good point, but with them pushing that as such a large selling point of the phone i can't see them charging too much extra for it... *shrug*
hokansoc said:
Thats a good point, but with them pushing that as such a large selling point of the phone i can't see them charging too much extra for it... *shrug*
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I'm definitely not going the *official* tethering route. It's data that i'm already paying for and shouldn't matter which pipe it's coming out of as long as i'm within my cap.
Case in point, on my Treo Pro, with all the tethering i do via wifirouter i still come out less than 5gb/month.
PDANet, i'm looking at you come summer time.
LordLugard said:
I'm definitely not going the *official* tethering route. It's data that i'm already paying for and shouldn't matter which pipe it's coming out of as long as i'm within my cap.
Case in point, on my Treo Pro, with all the tethering i do via wifirouter i still come out less than 5gb/month.
PDANet, i'm looking at you come summer time.
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Not that the whole 5gb thing matters, as there isn't a cap on cell usage. Only airCards / the overdrive have a 5gb cap on them. The cell plans still don't.
The real question is, WHEN will it be available for T-Mobile???
Antebios said:
The real question is, WHEN will it be available for T-Mobile???
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Unless tmobile signs on to wimax it wont be
johnsongrantr said:
for those wishing to upgrade to the EVO/supersonic please read this
http://phandroid.com/2010/03/24/4g-front-facing-cam-hdmi-out-get-dev-help-from-sprint/
This right here has changed my mind as I was still middle of the road about getting it after yesterday's reviews.
Basically what is going on is what happened to the hero. A 1.5 mashup with cdma support that caused us to basically be incompatible with other roms for a long time untill aosp 1.6 and 2.1 builds came out. 1.5 not having support for cdma technology. The linked article states that 2.1 R2 does not have 4g support as of yet. This isn't a game stopper, in my belief, and will probally run 2.1 just fine under 3g, but I'm not taking the chance of the problem running deeper for the simple fact of that, I really like my cross platform development. With a custom 2.1 release will probably come a non-standard kernel version as well. And potential lack of being able to root right out of the box. It might also lack ports of other android devices until some official build higher than 2.1 comes out.
Not attempting to discourage anyone here from going to the evo, just trying to inform the uninformed of potential downsides. I'm personally going to the nexus, regardless of that sexy big screen and kickstand *sigh*
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this might be a valid point if The evo 4g wasn't shipping with android 2.2 Froyo, which will most likely support these things *fingers crossed tho*
This is idiotic. There already is 4G support in android as evidenced by the EVO it's self and root will happen no matter what. I have no doubt that it will be running Froyo when it comes out so "other" roms won't really matter and who would want to run "other" roms when you have a Froyo base running the latest Sense UI on a HDMI streaming Snapdragon Beast. Maybe I missed the whole point of this thread but finding potential problems on a product thats not even going to be released for another couple months at the least is quite annoying. I'll be getting one if Sprint doesn't one up it's self with something better before then.
Oh by the way HTC broke compatibility with 2.1 Hero and AOSP with their 2.6.29 kernel by using their own non standard power management in kernel. This is the only flaw I can see that would validate this thread and thats if this new power management makes it into the EVO and if and when they release the kernel source. Time will tell. Not random guessing and random andorid "news".
zenulator said:
This is idiotic. There already is 4G support in android as evidenced by the EVO it's self and root will happen no matter what. I have no doubt that it will be running Froyo when it comes out so "other" roms won't really matter and who would want to run "other" roms when you have a Froyo base running the latest Sense UI on a HDMI streaming Snapdragon Beast. Maybe I missed the whole point of this thread but finding potential problems on a product thats not even going to be released for another couple months at the least is quite annoying. I'll be getting one if Sprint doesn't one up it's self with something better before then.
Oh by the way HTC broke compatibility with 2.1 Hero and AOSP with their 2.6.29 kernel by using their own non standard power management in kernel. This is the only flaw I can see that would validate this thread and thats if this new power management makes it into the EVO and if and when they release the kernel source. Time will tell. Not random guessing and random andorid "news".
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Thanks for your input, I disagree with everything you just said, but time will tell which one is right.
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Thanks for your input, I disagree with everything you just said, but time will tell which one is right.
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This is funny. The EVO is what it is, and will be what it will be, once it is released. Even at that time, it won't matter which one of you is right, simply because... well, it doesn't matter.
Dunno if you guys have seen this. I didn't notice because I usually only hang around here but it just got posted to reddit so I saw it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=913045
If true, it would definitely explain a lot of things. It does make me dislike Samsung, but hopefully the carriers can strong-arm Samsung into doing what everyone else is doing.
Personally, I bought this phone because it was either this or the Droid X, and the difference was that while the DX might have Froyo now, the odds of Motorola putting Gingerbread on it are less than 100%, and the odds of it getting anything after that are even lower, and with the locked bootloader you can't do anything about it. With the Fascinate, at least we can look forward to community built ROMs for some time into the future, definitely past what Samsung is willing to do (I figure they're never going to even consider putting Gingerbread on the Fascinate what with the LTE phones coming out soon, and SAMOLED+ and all that). People should probably avoid Samsung unless they specifically want the nice hardware and easy hacking, in which case it seems like Samsung is the most lax with security so they're the best choice for hacking.
Hmm, very enlightening, of it's true of course. Sounds entirely plausible though. Oh well, I really don't care anymore, not with kaos and friends on the job.
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This is what we all expected.
But the question is... Why was it released with Eclair when Froyo was released before this phone was released.
wasn't the reason it was released with eclair because of the 1.6 ril or whatever? from what i read, the ril would barely work with eclair and no way for it to work with froyo.
my understanding is that a large part of the magic that kaos is doing was to build a functional ril.
They arent building a new ril. They are hacking android around the current crap ril Samsung gave us.
Don't buy it.
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wasn't the reason it was released with eclair because of the 1.6 ril or whatever? from what i read, the ril would barely work with eclair and no way for it to work with froyo.
my understanding is that a large part of the magic that kaos is doing was to build a functional ril.
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That's what jt's been doing, and he ended up just hacking the current Samsung RIL to work. And if you follow his twitter, he said that the RIL from Eclair, Froyo, and Gingerbread on the Android side didn't change much which is why they're jumping straight to Gingerbread instead of wasting time with Eclair.
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wasn't the reason it was released with eclair because of the 1.6 ril or whatever? from what i read, the ril would barely work with eclair and no way for it to work with froyo.
my understanding is that a large part of the magic that kaos is doing was to build a functional ril.
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Um, wow, what have you been reading? First off, our phone came with 2.1, not 1.6, so I'm not sure where you got that number from.
Secondly, the reason that we (not Samsung) could not build a ROM not based on the stock OEM ROM was because the source code for the RIL that Samsung provided for the Fascinate was bad code, which made it extremely difficult to create a working RIL what will work with a custom OS. However, jt1134 and punk.kaos were able to reverse engineer the bad code into working code, in order to proceed with ROM building.
This has nothing to do with Samsung themselves though. Samsung built the RIL to begin with, so they most certainly can (and have) created RIL code that works with Froyo, quite a long time ago in fact. They released the Galaxy S line with Eclair because that was likely the newest version available when they began developing the OS for those phones. In order to convert the OS to Froyo to launch it on the phone, they would have had to significantly delay the launch, which was not an option. This is likely why so many phones are released with outdated versions of Android. And I would like to point out that if they just put Google's code on there and didn't insist in polluting it with their own proprietary junk, it wouldn't take so long to release in the first place, and wouldn't be so difficult to upgrade later.
Getting back on topic, I figured that the problem with getting these updates really all comes down to money. People have always had to pay for OS upgrades for PCs, but due to Android and iOS, have now come to expect to receive these updates for free. The problem is, somebody has to develop an upgrade process, and test the heck out of it, and those developers have to get paid. So the OEM pays them, and then naturally tries to pass the cost along to the carrier, because they don't want to work for free. The carrier also doesn't want to pay for the upgrade, but also knows they can't get away with charging their customers for it without significant backlash, so they basically just sit there and hope the problem eventually goes away, or that the OEM will finally back down and release the update for free, which is what's been described as our current situation.
If this is really such a big problem, they could be taking steps to not end up in this situation, such as figuring the cost of these upgrades into the price of the phones and/or rate plans. However, the carriers also have added incentive to not push for the upgrades, because that effectively extends the life of the handset, and they want you to keep buying new hardware all the time, since they make money from selling hardware, and lose money on the free upgrades.
In the end, it's all about money. Thankfully we have such a great community of developers here on XDA that are willing to go the extra mile to not only get us our upgrades, but also add cool features and boost the performance way beyond what the manufacturer gave us. Thanks to that, our hardware's lifetime is determined not by when a carrier or OEM pulls support, but rather by when the devices physically die or break, or the hardware becomes too outdated for the tasks we wish to perform. And this way, through donations, we can pay our developers for good upgrades, not our carrier for crappy, bloated ones.
Im not saying its true but the most legitimate explanation for all this bull**** I have actually heard in a while. So for what its worth Im not going to shoot that down. Possibly true at this point.
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Um, wow, what have you been reading? First off, our phone came with 2.1, not 1.6, so I'm not sure where you got that number from.
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Mrbirdman said it himself, actually. (1.5, but close enough).
http://twitter.com/#!/_mrbirdman_/status/3002051533479936
Anyway, I don't know whether to believe this but it explains why no US carriers have Froyo yet. It's kind of frustrating that Verizon is the only carrier that hasn't even had a leaked Froyo build it seems. Damn ingrates spoiling leaks for the rest of us.
Ah, I see. Thanks for the link. I admit that tweet came before I followed him on twitter, so I hadn't seen that. I can see how that would complicate matters though.
This is the last farkin' time I ever buy a Samsung phone. Shame on me for believing their lies when they said they'd support it.
If that user is really violating an NDA, he's already fired, and the XDA admins would be hearing from lawyers demanding they remove the thread.
Sounds like it's just more trumped up bull**** designed to stir up the masses. Who knows really, but all I know is I wasn't stupid enough to purchase a phone based on future "promises."
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This is the last farkin' time I ever buy a Samsung phone. Shame on me for believing their lies when they said they'd support it.
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You might wanna rethink that. Why, you ask? Because Samsung puts out some of the best hardware available, especially the screens, and we always have devs that can hack up the code to make it better than it ever would have been with a stock ROM. HTC isn't too bad, though the issue with rooting the G2 is certainly raising some eyebrows, but if you were thinking about Motorola, have fun with your locked bootloader and other fun tricks that attempt to squash community development. Aside from lousy source code, Samsung phones are the easiest to root and customize due to the unlocked bootloader. You can basically just flash anything you want with ODIN, no problem.
It is not necessarily the case in the future because Tab reportedly has locked boot loader. This said people already found workaround, but who knows?..
That is true. Nobody knows what the future holds. In any case, if you have no problem loading custom software from XDA devs on your phone, then OEM software support should not even be on the list of requirements when buying a phone. I now make my phone purchasing decisions purely based on hardware specs and quality. If it's a quality piece of hardware with the features I want, on my carrier of choice (Verizon), I will buy it, regardless of manufacturer or UI. Warranties and insurance work the same no matter who makes it, and software updates come from XDA, so nothing else really matters. But then again, that's just my opinion.
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That is true. Nobody knows what the future holds. In any case, if you have no problem loading custom software from XDA devs on your phone, then OEM software support should not even be on the list of requirements when buying a phone. I now make my phone purchasing decisions purely based on hardware specs and quality. If it's a quality piece of hardware with the features I want, on my carrier of choice (Verizon), I will buy it, regardless of manufacturer or UI. Warranties and insurance work the same no matter who makes it, and software updates come from XDA, so nothing else really matters. But then again, that's just my opinion.
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Yup, this is how I've decided to make phone decisions from now on as well. As long as the phone's software can be replaced by XDA, I don't care too much about the manufacturer's updates.
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If that user is really violating an NDA, he's already fired, and the XDA admins would be hearing from lawyers demanding they remove the thread.
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It is easier to hide posting on a forum than it is sending a tip into an online news outlet, at least in general. Also, by posting it in a forum, it is entirely likely that it will be up for longer than it would be if posted at say, Engadget, because it takes longer for news to show up in major outlets if posted in a forum first as opposed to a news site. If it were posted at Engadget or another tech blog, they are likely watched over very closely for potential NDA breaches, etc. I doubt Samsung looks are random forums/subforums/threads nearly as close.
IF it were $$ couldn't we as users pay like $20 for Froyo...
x 3 million phones = more than enough to pay for DEV
I don't buy it.
Why?
Because these companies work off of contracts. Verizon would know exactly what they were getting into before signing. If Samsung decides to breach said contract, fine, let Verizon sue the hell out of them. Lastly, Verizon would not have sold or marketed docks that rely on 2.2, if they had no intention of releasing it.
Actually one more thing. If US Carriers were refusing, Samsung would halt development. We are seeing new leaks for the other US models all the time, and Verizon is still being worked on (but not leaked).
This is a case of where 2+2=5=false.
Simple question
IF $$ is the issue for Samsung cant we just make a PAY to upgrade option from them? Maybe they would go for it?
the 3rd Choice is supposed to be
Yes $0-$10 (GB)
Well, I personally am going to go with the "**** Samsung" option. Great choice!
micdawg12 said:
Well, I personally am going to go with the "**** Samsung" option. Great choice!
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Well @ this point im F*%K samsung too but i'd drop $20 for GB
Birdman is taking donations...
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Birdman is taking donations...
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Birdman has no working GB OR FROYO
Im talking a REAL working setup
(don't get me wrong ive already donated to him and kaos, my point is an official one built with the OEM tools would be nice)
stop buying Samsung phones for a month....I think they will get the hint
I'll take Kaos's build of froyo over a samsung build. I ran his froyo build for the eris for months with less problems then I ever had with the stock software. He is very good at what he does, just give hime some time.
I wouldn't pay Samsung one red cent for updating the Touchwiz crap. However, when it comes to the software our wonderful XDA devs crank out, I'll gladly join the cause. For the month I ran KaosFroyo on my Eris, I donated $10. For the possibility of Froyo/GB epicness on my Fascinate, I went big and donated a phone.
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I wouldn't pay Samsung one red cent for updating the Touchwiz crap. However, when it comes to the software our wonderful XDA devs crank out, I'll gladly join the cause. For the month I ran KaosFroyo on my Eris, I donated $10. For the possibility of Froyo/GB epicness on my Fascinate, I went big and donated a phone.
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Thank you BTW!
What's sad is that not even Windows charges for updates....just product keys....Linux doesn't either...so why should we pay Samsung when we already paid got the phone and contact?
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What's sad is that not even Windows charges for updates....just product keys....Linux doesn't either...so why should we pay Samsung when we already paid got the phone and contact?
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Well, first of all, Microsoft certainly does charge for OS upgrades, but not bugfix patches. Some my beg to differ, but I consider Froyo an OS upgrade. Granted, it's free from Google, but Samsung does put their work into it, and I don't necessarily fault them for considering it something they need to charge for.
That said, Apple also charges for updates, both for Mac OS and for iOS. In the case of iOS, the cost of the upgrades are figured into their contract with AT&T (and likely now with Verizon), so the carrier and/or customer pays for it one way or another. This is why iPod touch users have to pay for the major upgrades, because Apple won't give away the update. The thing is, if carriers can entertain this type of agreement with Apple, they should really have no problem doing the same with Samsung. Because of that, I fault the carriers more than I fault Samsung at the moment.
**** no and I wouldn't feel bad about pirating it.
The only way I'd even consider paying for an OS upgrade is if it was stock Android - no TouchWiz and absolutely no Verizon bloatware. Period.
I think this is a pretty good idea....let's forward the request to sammy. Get them to offer it via paid, everyone chips in a few cents, download it to one phone for the RIL file, let the devs rip it, where golden! ;-) because I'm not giving sammy another fcking dime of my money....well maybe a few cents.
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This is why iPod touch users have to pay for the major upgrades, because Apple won't give away the update.
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They ended that policy with 4.0, and they'd previously said that charge was required due to some sort of limitation or something another with their systems (don't remember exact wording, but it was likely BS anyways).
I just recently bought the Fascinate (mid-ish December), and probably would have returned it for the iPhone if I wasn't interested in doing actual development for Android (which is about $600 cheaper to get started, for me). The Fascinate hardware is top-notch, there's really no disputing that... it's just unfortunate that Samsung couldn't put any effort into rolling out updates (much less purposely holding off on updates just for a bullet point on the next gen models). Considering the situation, I would be flat out pissed if Samsung asked for money (even 9.99) for Froyo, largely due to the principle of the matter, and how much of a slap in the face it would be.
On the other hand, I would consider donating to PK and the others, they're doing this completely in their free time, and IIRC, PK doesn't even use the Fascinate, he just got one donated to him (who ever donated that is also awesome). Once there's a fairly stable Froyo/GB release with working GPS/Camera/3G/Voice/sms/mms, I'll then have to figure out who all I need to throw a few dollars towards
I'd rather donate to a developer than put more money in the pockets of rich greedy companies. F*CK Samsung.
$0-$00 for Gingerbread sounds like a good deal to me.
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$0-$00 for Gingerbread sounds like a good deal to me.
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$Cheap-$Cheaper sounds like what you are. At least donate some money to the devs who are gonna get you Gingerbread, or contribute to getting it done yourself, or better yet, do it yourself, then we'll gladly donate to you.
We already paid for Froyo when we bought our phones. These were marketed and advertised as an update coming soon. Had Samsung advertised these phones as is, and implied that no update was coming, there wouldn't be the outcry there is for this update.
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$Cheap-$Cheaper sounds like what you are. At least donate some money to the devs who are gonna get you Gingerbread, or contribute to getting it done yourself, or better yet, do it yourself, then we'll gladly donate to you.
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1) I was making a joke (albeit a dumb one) about the fact that the poll says $0-$00 rather than $0-$10.
2) This post is asking whether I would pay Samsung, not whether I would donate to the devs here.
3) I never implied that I wanted/expected donations.
Are we headed for at least one more "final" version of Android 2.3 for our Epics officially released by Sprint or not? I know EL30 was largely motivated by the removal of CIQ, but I really can't guess what Sprint is up to with these latest leaks.
Anyway, I'm always so conservative about flashing new ROMs that I figure if we're getting yet another new one soon, I might as well wait.
considering a new leak was posted, I would say yes, another official build is coming. What it is....I'm not fully sure. Our epics went from ignored to full restored very quickly.
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considering a new leak was posted, I would say yes, another official build is coming. What it is....I'm not fully sure. Our epics went from ignored to full restored very quickly.
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Just what I was thinking, agreed. The wait for Froyo was so agonizing that I remember pessimism we would always remain on Eclair and we'd be abandoned like Samsung's old phones. Quite a long strange trip it's been.
Since there is no major change in the leak maybe they are trying to sneak in some other type of monitoring software to replace CIQ. (Paranoid me)
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As I look at CM9 on my phone; I wonder what is this gingerbread you all are speaking about?? It seems vaguely familiar like a long distant memory
Yes it is interesting and suspicious we are getting attention.
Perhaps they are scared that their inattention has driven people away from Sprint. Contracts are the bread and butter. Not sure why they would care about CIQ, rooting, or custom ROMs. Infact if they are friendly to us wouldn't that be an attraction?
I fully understand why they cannot support software mods. But I do not see the downside for them being friendly toward it.
Hacked hot spot as well. The carrier controlles are bandwidth and data volume. End of story. Sure they loose some money from not selling that plan, but maybe they keep many more contracts, so they can still come out a head.
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Yes it is interesting and suspicious we are getting attention.
Perhaps they are scared that their inattention has driven people away from Sprint. Contracts are the bread and butter. Not sure why they would care about CIQ, rooting, or custom ROMs. Infact if they are friendly to us wouldn't that be an attraction?
I fully understand why they cannot support software mods. But I do not see the downside for them being friendly toward it.
Hacked hot spot as well. The carrier controlles are bandwidth and data volume. End of story. Sure they loose some money from not selling that plan, but maybe they keep many more contracts, so they can still come out a head.
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We are the 1%, not the 99. They care about the blind sheep paying for every service and not putting on unauthorized software that may seem to cause hardware problems. There are a lot of people that screw up rooting their phones and run to Sprint to fix it. That costs them money as well. From a corporate, bottom-line mentality I can see it. $30 a month is a LOT of money to lose based on the $100 a month plan. I don't agree with it but I can see their point to play devil's advocate. It just takes a few bad apples to ruin the pie if you know what I mean.
I wish we would get an official I.C.S. release from sprint... that would be amazing. I can only dream of all the sweet roms that would emerge with an official ICS source. However, this will never happen. They would rather we get impatient and spend 500.00+ on the new galaxy S2 or similar device. It is not sprints goal to keep us happy, it's their goal to keep us wanting more. For every early upgrade they sell, they make up for the few people that get tired of sprint and switch service. Once we upgrade our phones, it will be the same story all over again. The firmware will grow outdated, sprint will neglect, we upgrade. Most U.S. carriers require 2 year contracts for a new device for a reason... you are likely to grow tired of it before 2 years are up. They make a TON off full price phone purchases. How do i know this? Virgin mobile sells a couple phones sprint carries.....except they are about 2-300 dollars cheaper with no contract signing. It's almost sickening to think about. not really... but you know what I mean. A business has to make money, its the same with every carrier.
I can't imagine all the development work going into these test ROMs without any plans to release a new ROM.
The FB15 leak appears to be a very minor change, with the only new feature being the Sprint Connections Optimizer, which is described as "helps manage and enhance your data experience by finding and connecting to the Sprint 4G Network and remembered wifi networks". There was no hint of an "ICS value pack" as some expected.
There may have been bug fixes in there too, but I didn't notice them.
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RealTic said:
I wish we would get an official I.C.S. release from sprint... that would be amazing. I can only dream of all the sweet roms that would emerge with an official ICS source. However, this will never happen. They would rather we get impatient and spend 500.00+ on the new galaxy S2 or similar device. It is not sprints goal to keep us happy, it's their goal to keep us wanting more. For every early upgrade they sell, they make up for the few people that get tired of sprint and switch service. Once we upgrade our phones, it will be the same story all over again. The firmware will grow outdated, sprint will neglect, we upgrade. Most U.S. carriers require 2 year contracts for a new device for a reason... you are likely to grow tired of it before 2 years are up. They make a TON off full price phone purchases. How do i know this? Virgin mobile sells a couple phones sprint carries.....except they are about 2-300 dollars cheaper with no contract signing. It's almost sickening to think about. not really... but you know what I mean. A business has to make money, its the same with every carrier.
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Wow, that's a jaded opinion. Keep in mind this is a mature phone that they are still selling over a year after it was introduced. I'm sure their costs on this phone are pretty low by now. I think if they could shoehorn ICS into the phone it would certainly revive sales of an old phone, I think they would do it if they could. Remember it was Sammy, not Sprint that decided there would be no ICS for the original Galaxy S series. They claimed it just didn't run will enough on the hardware and from what I hear about CM9 (a bit sluggish and a battery hog compared to GB), there may be some truth in those comments. Time will tell whether anyone will get ICS to run smoothly and efficiently on our phones.
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Wow, that's a jaded opinion. Keep in mind this is a mature phone that they are still selling over a year after it was introduced. I'm sure their costs on this phone are pretty low by now. I think if they could shoehorn ICS into the phone it would certainly revive sales of an old phone, I think they would do it if they could. Remember it was Sammy, not Sprint that decided there would be no ICS for the original Galaxy S series. They claimed it just didn't run will enough on the hardware and from what I hear about CM9 (a bit sluggish and a battery hog compared to GB), there may be some truth in those comments. Time will tell whether anyone will get ICS to run smoothly and efficiently on our phones.
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You have to realize also that the only reason our DEVs got CM9 ICS working is through changing the partition to MTD. BML is Sammy's proprietary partitiion and it seems that to them changing the partition on the older Galaxy S series (probably any of their phones actually) is out off the question. I am sure it would be hell if it was squeezed onto the BML partition.
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You have to realize also that the only reason our DEVs got CM9 ICS working is through changing the partition to MTD. BML is Sammy's proprietary partitiion and it seems that to them changing the partition on the older Galaxy S series (probably any of their phones actually) is out off the question. I am sure it would be hell if it was squeezed onto the BML partition.
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Good point. Seems like doing an OTA update that repartitioned the phone would be a customer service nightmare. I'm guessing that BML could be setup with a larger system partition, but again doing that OTA could be a mess.
changing the system with an ota update, would be an mess. alot phones would be bricked and alot ppl would be calling samsprint with problems. maybe an message to go to their website to get an update like that would be easier. but ppl would still break things.