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Discussion about Cupcake on the G1!!

Well, the Cupcake release looks great as it adds loads of new features and bug fixes!
I was just wondering how one would install it on the G1? And when we would we be able to do so?

Hi, thanks for your reply in my thread btw I have read that it will be OTA (over the air i think)? So should be wireless and automatic, but then again I only found that out by one website 10 minutes ago

where did you find out info on the cupcake upgrade, cuz I never heard of it yet and would like to know more.

Googling it isnt so hard is it?
This one is nice..

jkiller122 said:
where did you find out info on the cupcake upgrade, cuz I never heard of it yet and would like to know more.
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Untouchab1e said:
Googling it isnt so hard is it?
This one is nice..
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Or look at the thread in the developers sub-forum...
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Untouchab1e said:
Well, the Cupcake release looks great as it adds loads of new features and bug fixes!
I was just wondering how one would install it on the G1? And when we would we be able to do so?
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You can either
1. (For those running RC30 stock) you will be notified that an update is available and a reboot is required. Just hit reboot and you will phone will install the update and come back up on its own.
2. (for those with root or RC30 stock) download the update package from Google, rename it to update.zip and put it on your sdcard. Turn off your phone and turn it back on again holding power + home. You will eventually see a picture of a phone with a exclamation point. open the keyboard and hit alt+L and then alt+s. The update will be applied and then you will be prompted to hit home+back to restart.

Cupcake's on-screen keyboard shown on T-Mobile G1!!
here is a link showing the on screen keyboard that will be released with the g1 cupcake update
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/22/cupcakes-on-screen-keyboard-shown-on-t-mobile-g1/

Before everyone gets excited read this:
Of course, we're at the mercy of T-Mobile and HTC for getting this onto retail G1s, so it really makes a strong case for picking up a Dev Phone 1, doesn't it?
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It is not official or the G1 retail RC30.
If you are gonna get upset reading and watching those videos, take those feelings elsewhere, please.

Any idea on a release date for cupcake on stock rc30?

most likely early Jan

Discussion about Cupcake....G1 involved
And here I thought it was a given.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/30/cupcake-confirmed-for-t-mobile-g1/
Wow. If T-Mobile are going to refuse to give us Android updates later, even though the G1 will be capable of handling all of them for a long time to come (maybe because they want us to upgrade to a new phone), then I've lost all hope for the Android platform altogether.
Who knows what T-Mobile could do out of greed? When the G2 comes out, perhaps they will force us to get that in order to get the latest Android updates... But if HTC isn't even 100% sure that the G1 will get Cupcake unofficially, then I'm suspecting something sour on T-Mobile's end.
Say the G1 post RC30 never gets a proper jailbreak exploit. G1 users may all be stuck on some outdated update.

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And here I thought it was a given.
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/30/cupcake-confirmed-for-t-mobile-g1/
Wow. If T-Mobile are going to refuse to give us Android updates later, even though the G1 will be capable of handling all of them for a long time to come (maybe because they want us to upgrade to a new phone), then I've lost all hope for the Android platform altogether.
Who knows what T-Mobile could do out of greed? When the G2 comes out, perhaps they will force us to get that in order to get the latest Android updates... But if HTC isn't even 100% sure that the G1 will get Cupcake unofficially, then I'm suspecting something sour on T-Mobile's end.
Say the G1 post RC30 never gets a proper jailbreak exploit. G1 users may all be stuck on some outdated update.
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well, you have to understand that T-Mobile and Google need to work to ensure that the everyday customer will benefit from this update. Yes the new functionality is great but if there are security problems with it, it wont be logical to deploy to thousands upon thousands of customers. Look at the bigger picture. If you want complete control over your device and want to use cupcake everyday, the DevPhone is your option. only 10% of g1 users are devs.

korndub said:
well, you have to understand that T-Mobile and Google need to work to ensure that the everyday customer will benefit from this update. Yes the new functionality is great but if there are security problems with it, it wont be logical to deploy to thousands upon thousands of customers. Look at the bigger picture. If you want complete control over your device and want to use cupcake everyday, the DevPhone is your option. only 10% of g1 users are devs.
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There's the Dev Phone argument again. There's two problems with the dev phone:
1. G1 Early adopters (I'm in this camp)
2. No cheaper option with a contract
HTC is implying they aren't 100% sure if Cupcake will ever come to the G1. This, I think, is pretty dangerous thinking.

Well basically Google developes the updates then gives them to Tmobile. Then Tmobile decides if it meets their standards then they release it. Its not official till Tmobile says they are going to push it out. I doubt Tmobile wouldn't release it but they never officially release Winmo 6.1 but you can still get it.

speoples20 said:
Well basically Google developes the updates then gives them to Tmobile. Then Tmobile decides if it meets their standards then they release it. Its not official till Tmobile says they are going to push it out. I doubt Tmobile wouldn't release it but they never officially release Winmo 6.1 but you can still get it.
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You can only do that if you have a "jailbroken" phone (pardon the vocabulary). And that's just not possible with the official RC30 now.

coolbho3000 said:
There's the Dev Phone argument again. There's two problems with the dev phone:
1. G1 Early adopters (I'm in this camp)
2. No cheaper option with a contract
HTC is implying they aren't 100% sure if Cupcake will ever come to the G1. This, I think, is pretty dangerous thinking.
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yes i understand that is the devphone argument, i too am an early adopter, but i am also one that jailbroke (i hate that term) rooted my phone.
of course there is no cheaper option with a contract - discounts on handsets for contracts is called subsidy - which means that the carrier discounts the phone in exchange for a contract. there are no discounts without contracts.
if you read the article that you wrote about it clearly states that HTC is out of the loop, they build the hardware, then the carrier bids for it, then google writes android for that targeted device and t-mobile adds its software to it and it is BRANDED to T-Mobile (which falls in line with the subsidy)
HTC does not control when/why/how or the what of updates so clearly HTC can only speculate that the update will be available. they do not have any hand in delivering updates to T-Mobile G1s.

G1 Cupcake update released?
I was just on the line with customer support for T-Mobile (g1 keeps freezing) and the woman asked me what firmware i had.I told her I had RC30, and then she said "Ok because I know we just released the Cupcake update, and i received a lot of calls from Arizona yesterday about it." She said she was notified that it started rolling out as well.
Obviously take it with a grain of salt from a CS rep, but the fact that she knew about Cupcake gives a little hope.......right?

Sounds promising (I don't think she'd mention it if they'd put it on themselves). I know CS reps are kinda unreliable, I got my G1 today, and had an indian guy who kept asking his friend in the background what to say =/ Also wanted to charge me £250 for "Default" options i never asked... I specifically chose a price plan I knew I could afford as it's my first contract (actually my girlfriend pays for it, but its her first contract too, since we live together, our money is shared) I hardly ever go abroad so i'd never use the International calling, Voice + Data roaming which were apparently activated by defualt. Imagine having your credit rating destroyed at 18!!
I hope the G1 version of cupcake comes with a small onscreen keyboard like WM phones, i hate having to flip the phone out do do a one word reply or something... And possibly autorotate, atleast on pictures!

lol CS reps rely on rumors and **** too...
well I'm speaking of in store reps actually. I went to pre-order my G1 (thought I had to do it in store) and I asked if he had a place to sign up for one, and he said nah, its not coming out for a month, we are getting that....and the Android phone...and I'm like wtf? whats the android? he's like I'll show you...and he shows me an image of the Touch HD. lol.
I knew he was wrong from the get, but i wanted to see where he was going with this.

japan fast wtf!

OTA 2.1 update for Verizon?

So I'm reading on Android sites that 2.1 will come to Droid and Eris on Dec. 11th. I know Sprint doesn't have OTA updating for things larger than 10MB sorted out yet so are we screwed? I am really going to be pissed if the Eris gets Sense with 2.1 while Hero's get left with 1.5. Does anyone know if there would be an updater like RUU_Hero_C_Sprint_1.29.651.1_signed_release.exe so that Hero users can install without waiting for some OTA fix? The people at Sprint seem less than competent when it comes to Android stuff so I have no faith. For example, my wife's Hero came with the wrong firmware (version 1.22.651.1 instead of 1.29.651.1) and she couldn't get the OTA bug fix. The Sprint solution was to take it back to Best Buy and do an exchange because, and I quote, "there is no way to update that phone." Well I came home and ran the RUU and it worked perfectly. So much for their tech support.

richse said:
So I'm reading on Android sites that 2.1 will come to Droid and Eris on Dec. 11th. I know Sprint doesn't have OTA updating for things larger than 10MB sorted out yet so are we screwed? I am really going to be pissed if the Eris gets Sense with 2.1 while Hero's get left with 1.5. Does anyone know if there would be an updater like RUU_Hero_C_Sprint_1.29.651.1_signed_release.exe so that Hero users can install without waiting for some OTA fix? The people at Sprint seem less than competent when it comes to Android stuff so I have no faith. For example, my wife's Hero came with the wrong firmware (version 1.22.651.1 instead of 1.29.651.1) and she couldn't get the OTA bug fix. The Sprint solution was to take it back to Best Buy and do an exchange because, and I quote, "there is no way to update that phone." Well I came home and ran the RUU and it worked perfectly. So much for their tech support.
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Well, if it comes down to it I am sure we could get an Eris 2.1 dump and port it over to the Hero but I am sure once released we will get our hands on Hero 2.1. Also, if the Dec 11th date is correct then that is great news. I don't see why HTC wouldnt release Hero 2.1 and Eris 2.1 in tandem. Speculation I hate you. lol

These updates and dumps are NOT coming to us for some reason. I don't there is one person that is going to port a full ROM to the CDMA verision of the Hero. We're just smelly Americans that don't deserve it apparently.
GSM is lyke soo much better d00ds..

VoXHTC said:
These updates and dumps are NOT coming to us for some reason. I don't there is one person that is going to port a full ROM to the CDMA verision of the Hero. We're just smelly Americans that don't deserve it apparently.
GSM is lyke soo much better d00ds..
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not necessarily
the dev population for the gsm hero is bigger because its been out longer. Not because we are "smelly Americans"

chuckhriczko said:
Well, if it comes down to it I am sure we could get an Eris 2.1 dump and port it over to the Hero but I am sure once released we will get our hands on Hero 2.1. Also, if the Dec 11th date is correct then that is great news. I don't see why HTC wouldnt release Hero 2.1 and Eris 2.1 in tandem. Speculation I hate you. lol
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I think that HTC will release it for the Eris and not the Hero because they won't have Sprint's permission to release it. When I was having the firmware issue I described in the OP I talked to HTC first and they admitted they could fix it but since Sprint won't give them the go ahead for any updates they are bound not to release anything. I asked about future updates and he said it would be only with the carriers permission. I know it sounds pessimistic but I can see HTC rolling out the update for Verizon because their OTA is working. Sprint, on the other hand, would be forced to have customers download the update and manually install or have them come in to the service centers. I'm sure they think their customers are too inept for the former and considering the level of competence in their service centers I don't see the latter happening either. If by some miracle they have OTA working I will gladly eat my words but from what I have heard they aren't even close to having a fix.

I don't see why Sprint would make a big issue with the OTA bug or whatever it is. There is no reason why they wouldn't post an update for people to download. That's how it's been done for years with WinMo. And I don't think the average Hero user would even know there is an update. Mostly it would be people like us. And if the average user knows about it, well, it's probably cause one of us told them about it

VoXHTC said:
We're just smelly Americans that don't deserve it apparently.
GSM is lyke soo much better d00ds..
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First get over yourself.
Second get in line the HERO was out in other parts of the world before the US.
Third GSM 'lyke' is 97% of the worlds cell providers DOOD
Your arrogance is typical of a smelly American. Go watch the NFL or something

Ok. First off, Sprint will release an update. It may be more delayed than others but we will get it. That said there are two options. Either A) We get a dump of the HTC official rom before Sprint releases it or B) someone posts an Eris 2.1 rom which we can then mold.
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These updates and dumps are NOT coming to us for some reason. I don't there is one person that is going to port a full ROM to the CDMA verision of the Hero. We're just smelly Americans that don't deserve it apparently.
GSM is lyke soo much better d00ds..
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We are not getting any roms made for us because we are 1.5. 1.5 was easy to make roms for on GSM because it had GSM built into it officially from Google. CDMA however was not native until 1.6. Once the 2.1 firmware is released we should be able to more easily port over other roms including Cyanogen and all the others. Also, if there was another 1.5 firmware from HTC we could port it. For instance, the Eris dump we can port. It wouldnt make sense to because its the same as the Hero so we never did. Porting over Moto or LG or Samsung is more difficult because of driver issues.
Look, simply put, we could argue back and forth about this forever but when it comes down to it CDMA Hero will be as good as any other phone out there when the update is released and one way or another we will have the update shortly after HTC releases it.
Oh and I may be smelly but if I'm American I don't mind being smelly. Politics should really not be mixed with these posts. We are one community regardless of nation.

notrock said:
First get over yourself.
Second get in line the HERO was out in other parts of the world before the US.
Third GSM 'lyke' is 97% of the worlds cell providers DOOD
Your arrogance is typical of a smelly American. Go watch the NFL or something
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Congrats, now you've won the new smelly and arrogant award.

notrock said:
First get over yourself.
Second get in line the HERO was out in other parts of the world before the US.
Third GSM 'lyke' is 97% of the worlds cell providers DOOD
Your arrogance is typical of a smelly American. Go watch the NFL or something
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Are you talking to him, or yourself? Because his was sarcasm, yours was blatant rudeness..."Go watch soccer or something..."
See look wasn't that witty?

jeez children... stop your bickering
10mb has to be some fictional number, I've gotten PLENTY of OTA updates in excess of 10mb, specifically one for the pre which was 80 something MB
And before you say something about wifi, I started and finished the d/l at work with no wifi coverage what-so-ever.
This restriction is just a rumor... and a lame one at that. Someone is misinformed, even if a sprint rep is saying that, I would love to talk to him and find out exactly where they THINK the restriction is at.

alcaron said:
Are you talking to him, or yourself? Because his was sarcasm, yours was blatant rudeness..."Go watch soccer or something..."
See look wasn't that witty?
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LOL.. I think its Football across the pond.... haha
Im not being disrespectful . just trying to be funny

All Nationality/Sports jokes a side. (BTW NFL & NASCAR Rock, typical Tennessee resident?)
I had a sprint rep tell me that we would be getting an update around Dec 6th. I personally think he is full of [email protected]
Knowing that my hopes are always crushed, I can only assume Sprint will drag their feet for the next 2 months getting it to us. We will probably have to rely on those really nice Droid and Eris owners to dump us a Rom that one of the smart devs (this eliminates me) here can do something with.
My opinion, make it yours.

dont you need root to be able to dump a system rom? i dont think the droid or the eris are rooted yet, so how would we get a dump? just asking.

Well everyone. Look over on the Android development thread and you will see 2 Hero 2.1 roms. Not fully working but if you wanna test go for it. Once its done downloading I am testing this stuff. Just remember it is GSM so we will have to change stuff to make it work with ours.

chuckhriczko said:
Well everyone. Look over on the Android development thread and you will see 2 Hero 2.1 roms. Not fully working but if you wanna test go for it. Once its done downloading I am testing this stuff. Just remember it is GSM so we will have to change stuff to make it work with ours.
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we won't be able to use them.. at least with anything working.. there are no drivers for 2.1 for our phones

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we won't be able to use them.. at least with anything working.. there are no drivers for 2.1 for our phones
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True but this is a good sign as obviously the Hero 2.1 dump has been unwatermarked. I am trying to see if there is a way I can get ahold of the dump because I believe it might be a CDMA dump. If not, then we will just have to wait.

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Ok. First off, Sprint will release an update. It may be more delayed than others but we will get it. That said there are two options. Either A) We get a dump of the HTC official rom before Sprint releases it or B) someone posts an Eris 2.1 rom which we can then mold.
We are not getting any roms made for us because we are 1.5. 1.5 was easy to make roms for on GSM because it had GSM built into it officially from Google. CDMA however was not native until 1.6. Once the 2.1 firmware is released we should be able to more easily port over other roms including Cyanogen and all the others. Also, if there was another 1.5 firmware from HTC we could port it. For instance, the Eris dump we can port. It wouldnt make sense to because its the same as the Hero so we never did. Porting over Moto or LG or Samsung is more difficult because of driver issues.
Look, simply put, we could argue back and forth about this forever but when it comes down to it CDMA Hero will be as good as any other phone out there when the update is released and one way or another we will have the update shortly after HTC releases it.
Oh and I may be smelly but if I'm American I don't mind being smelly. Politics should really not be mixed with these posts. We are one community regardless of nation.
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Wait if Android 1.6 and 2.0 both have CDMA support built in then all we're missing our the specific drivers for the Hero which should be available in the 2.0 leak to GSM phones right?
Also, I don't understand how we are at a disadvantage because CDMA wasn't built into 1.5. The drivers for individual phones aren't built into Android so why wouldn't that sink us just as much as the no-CDMA thing?

T-Mobile indeed upgrading mytouch to 2.0?

Hey I was reading through Tmobile USA twitter and they posted something regarding to mytouch3g and 2.0
@articulategeek Yes, it is upgradable. T-Mobile is coordinating with Google on the next release.
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My new MyTouch 3G was just automagically updated to firmware 1.6. Could it be that 2.0 is close behind? Be still my geeky heart. #TMobile
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http://twitter.com/tmobile_mytouch
does this mean that Tmobile is indeed working on getting 2.0 out for mytouch3g and possibly g1 (sincei ts similar HW)?

no
The one thing we can say for sure about tmobile's android strategy is that they prefer to stay at least 1 or 2 large steps behind their competition. So until they show more than the slightest interest in Android, which could happen should the rumors prove true, im not holding by breath. It took them nearly a year to produce their 2nd Android phone (mt3g), and it had 0 performance improvements on the first Android phone (g1). This simply isnt a carrier that, at this point, has done anything to show any confidence in the google operating system after their initial attempt with the g1. Im hoping to baby jesus that their confidence and outlook for Android changes, but tmobile is the cheapest carrier, and they have poor coverage, so i would expect them to believe their customers arent interested in high-end devices. On the other hand i bought out my last contract just to get a g1, so hopefully their are enough of the same type of customers to get tmobile interested in keeping such customers...

mytouch is not getting 2.0, it's getting 2.5 and it is going to be released in january and it has flash player

the next release after 2.0 is 2.1, 2.5 is not coming out for a WHILE. I dont know where you heard about this but this is impossible.

Impossible is such an overused word. Improbable is more like it. this has already been discussed in a couple threads in the dream forums. that's why I said what I did about it. Someone was saying the release date for it is january 18. go check it out yourself.

Actually believe it or not I to have seen the talk for T-Mobile releasing the 2.5 update. I don't remember where, I will track down my source. But ya it wont be for the MT3G thou. I am pretty sure any way. I will look tonight for it. I think I was reading up for the Cliq and read after the decision on the Nexus One and a few other phone deals are made it will be decided on when the update will be allowed. Once again I will search for where I saw this. I am sorry for being empty handed right now. Please try and remember how fast all the other updates came thou. So 2.5 really isn't as far as we all think. The updates are only minor fixes that the Google staff and other affiliates get to work on everyday they punch in. So I would not be surprised if there isn't a 3.0 already being worked on.

I too have read in a few places the mt3g was getting 2.5. All I want is the better 2.0 onscreen keyboard and flash support.

UPDATE:
just psoted on same twitter:
@Sergiolvrd T-Mobile is coordinating with Google on future updates. Plz watch http://tinyurl.com/yatd2ul for news as available. Thanks!
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Sprint Speaks via Twitter on 2.1 Update

Might be the bearer of unhappy news here, but Sprint sent a couple of tweets out today concerning the update.
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553847246
"Android users:Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC on 2.1, on track to be avail Q2. Sprint had hoped to have this resolved by now."
http://twitter.com/sprint/status/13553862034
"Many thanks to our customers for your continued patience as we work to bring you a positive experience with the 2.1 upgrade."
I guess the fevor pitch got too high and they felt a need to defuse it. Was that a hint of frustration on Sprint's part there as well? ("...had hoped to have this resolved by now.")
Anyway, back to being satisfied with our ROMs for me. Sorry everyone.

least it's still a bit of hope for us not running 2.1 yet. It's a small step in the right direction. Sprint is finally communicating at least something.

How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.

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How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.

Kcarpenter said:
It was to all Sprint Android Users. Samsung owners and HTC owners. Apparently they are having as many issues with Samsung as they are HTC. I wonder if there is an commonality between the issues they are having.
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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.

Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!

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Thank goodness we already have a 100% fucntional 2.1 ROM. HTC just needs to release the kernel source!
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That pretty much said it perfectly ...

smstutler said:
How does this pertain to us ? I mean I am not currently waiting on a possible update for my Sprint Samsung Hero.
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If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.

lorsoblu said:
If you take a closer look at the first tweet, it says "Sprint continues to work closely w Samsung/HTC...", so they are speaking to both parties.
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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.

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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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Couldn't agree more.

Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo. This is like Deja Vu. The hero came out with old software that had been running on the g1 for a year. Then we sit and wait for 7 months for an update that will most likely be old by the time we get it. They are working on 2.2 and that is coming soon. Now people are going to jump on the same bandwagon for the evo which is the exact situation with the hero. They release the phone in june with software that is going to be considered old a few months later. Everyone that gets the evo will then complain that they are not on 2.2 and how sprint and htc dropped the ball again.
Me personally, I don't think I will get the evo just because of this fiasco. I have been using 2.1 for a while and it's great but is it worth all this headache.....NO. If android doesn't fix this fragmentation they will lose lots of customers. This will really be felt when the new iphone comes out. It's easy for them to play back and forth now but when the biggest competitor comes out, these problems will not be overlooked by most consumers.
I personally think that this update is being held back till the evo comes out so they can sway consumers to that product. Business isn't always about pleasing the consumer. Sprint has got your money and htc has got your money. They want you to buy a new phone and that's that. I wouldn't be suprised if the update drops the same exact week as the evo. They will say sorry for the delay and not meeting the Q2 but it's coming out soon. Nothing is etched in stone and we are just hanging on every word hoping something new will be released.
We have been dealing with broken youtube player and nothing has been done or mentioned to fix it. Do you really want to take the risk in doing this again. Everything is going to be put aside till the evo drops. That is the phone that is supposedly going to save sprint it's decline in customers. The eris is going to be discontinued by verizon this month. This should show everyone that htc is not interested in these products anymore. If they were we would have gotten 1.6 when it became available. The hero was made to open the eyes of cdma customers to android. It did just that and now it's time to get you to upgrade so they can continue to make money. Why does sprint care if you get 2.1. There not going to make any money in dropping the update, so why rush.

my point exactly

I am really curious to know what problems with 2.1 are causing the delay?? After all we have a decent working version now. If there really is some big issue wouldn't we have found it by now?

I don't think its "Android," its Sprint w/ HTC and Samsung implementing 2.1 to their devices. But that's just me.

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Of course there is a commonality, one thing both phones have in common is Sprint.
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SMH........

My guess is that the problem lies with one of the POS sprint applications that are stripped out of almost all the custom ROMs since the problem is effecting both the Samsung and HTC updates. They have never worked right and in an application rich environment like Android, I don't think they are necessary. Nav was nice for 1.5, but no longer necessary. NFL is a decent application, but poorly implemented. You can't even let the screen turn off while streaming audio. Sprint TV is a cool idea, but again poorly implemented. It would always start up in the background for no reason. Many people have said it in defense of Sprint, sprint is not a software company... I know they outsource these applications, but it is to a company that has no apparent android experience.

Jjday7 said:
Things like this really make me wonder why people are so into the Evo.
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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?

Does it really matter? If someone is THAT hard up for the updated OS, they can get it without waiting for the official release. And if they're not that impatient, they're probably ok on what they're using.
The people that really want to upgrade their phone can and will do it. I see no reason to freak out about if/when Sprint will release their version of the upgrade.
And for what it's worth, Sprint has ALWAYS been behind in releasing OS updates. They were like that with WinMO as well. Hence one of the reasons people started hacking and developing ROMs to begin with.

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The draw is that the Evo has sweet hardware, that and we Hero users have had a fully functional 2.1 for quite some time due to devs. What is the problem? Is there some other Android handset which shipped with 1.5 Android that has had break neck updates?
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Isn't Sprint still on track to have the only phones in the US upgraded to 2.1? I mean they are at least going to be the first ones to do it. Not that there aren't companies with a 2.1 phone.
And about fragmentation...it affects EVERY software company, unless the supply exact hardware. FroYo will likely take care of most of it - they approached it with a very modular design. And Rumor has it Gingerbread+ will have more specific hardware requirements, thought still less restrictive than Iphone and WinMo.
We are in an interesting time in the Mobile World. A lot of innovation is happening VERY quickly. It's simply Moore's Law. The next generation of hardware coming down the pipe is just TOO different than what we are running now.

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You are correct. I missed that part. But to be blunt if you looked at forums, you would also see that this has been posted quite a few times already. Both screwed up I guess.
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When I posted this I looked through the first two pages to check if the info was already up, and to the best of my knowledge it wasn't. (After I posted I saw that the SprintGuy thread had just got updated with it as well, but it was practically at the same time)
Doesn't matter though, we will probably still have someone post this tomorrow morning.

[RANT]You got what you paid for.

I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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t.lynn.c said:
I've only had this Epic for almost a month and am very satisfied with it so far. But its getting pretty old looking on xda everyday to see someone new complaining about not having Froyo. You got what you paid for people, you bought a epic with 2.1 eclair on it, do you buy windows xp and then when windows 7 comes out you complain they won't upgrade you for free? There will always be something better and something new out there or up and coming you can't expect companies to sit there and keep working on things of the past they have to make money as well and they have to compete with each other and try to stay on top. I'm not saying I don't think they shouldn't release it for us I'm just saying you realy can't blame them for moving on with other phones as well. And if you think 2.2 is gonna make your phone that much better then go get a vibrant from tmobile bc I put 2.2 on my girlfriends phone last week and it didn't do much of anything for it, its just software sure your battery is a little better or the system runs a little smoother your not changing what you physically have the hardware is what it is and you knew all of this before buying the phone and if you didn't then you had 30 days to do some research and return it to sprint.
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jesus do you even read what people say or just regurgitate stuff...

Apparently not why don't you explain to me what I missed?
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Alright, I'll bite.
most of us did not buy our epic's having seen a forum full of people dissatisfied with samsung's ability to upgrade their phones. I for one bought my phone on launch day. August 31st 2010. It was a sunny day, there was a nice breeze. I was young without a care in the world. I saw a phone with very formidable hardware and better yet, a promise from samsung that the device would see 2.2 in the very "near" future.
Now I don't know what you paid for your phone, but I paid retail price plus tax. If I had known I was actually paying for an education about what it exactly it means to buy a samsung phone I would have looked elsewhere.
that being said, theres one thing I can't stand and that is people such as yourself who waited until after people bought the phone and realized that and official update in a timely fashion not likely, accepted that risk, and then come here to rub it in the face of those who care about things like kernel sources, and custom roms to tell us about how we should all be as smart as you with your divine phone selecting savvy. I can't say that I speak for everyone, but I can certainly speak for myself when I tell you sincerely to gtfo.
yours truly, cozmonot

Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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I agree in that people complaining here doesn't really accomplish much. Apologies, I probably shouldn't reply to threads when I'm angry and tired.
I think we need to make our voice heard by sprint and samsung if we want things to actually happen, and complaining to people in the same position can't make things any better. just look at the vibrant owners who threatened a lawsuit and got the mainstream blogs to post about the vibrant not having froyo, didnt they get the update like a week later? I agree with what you said in your second post and I wish I had known about what I was getting myself into back in August when i signed on the dotted line.

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t.lynn.c said:
Ok to someone like yourself I understand that you did not know what you were getting yourself into and I'm not trying to say that someone such as yourself that bought the phone right when it came out doesn't have a right to be mad. I never said I had waited to buy this phone for any reason its just when I see ppl on here that say they just got the phone and now are mad they don't have 2.2 yet its disturbing. I understand we need kernals and source to make better roms and things, I myself am running Nebula and have been since the first week of owning this phone, so as with the rest of you I myself would like it so my rom can be further upgraded. The main thing I was trying to get at is that complaining about how we don't have it isn't getting us it I did not mean disrespect for someone like yourself and I don't think I have any better taste for phones than the rest of us we all chose this phone for whatever reasons but I don't think anyone chose it bc it was going to have 2.2
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Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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Relax. |

OMGrant this is very true I should probably keep my mouth shut sometimes but its just not easy and that's where the rant part came in...
Rygran87 I really don't know what to say about your unfulfilled promises you must have been happy with the samsung moment to buy another samsung tho...
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I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.

It was my first Android. It was cool at first, but just wanted FroYo and refused to get the Evo because the screen sucks and no keyboard.
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Protoroll said:
I bought the phone because of the hardware and because it was stated that 2.2 would be coming soon. I don't understand how people like you can just accept that You have the phone with the best hardware specs on the market at the moment and not be pissed that it doesn't have 2.2. While I agree that coming on xda and starting multiple threads on if FroYo is out is not the most productive way of dealing with the problem, bending over and submitting that because you paid money for the device and knew that it had 2.1 on is just a cop out.
To answer your question on what does FroYo add, here is just a few.
- What about all of the people who spent $30 to $50 on official samsung docks and can't even use it to the fullest without FroYo. IT EVEN SAYS ON DAMN PACKAGING THAT FULL FUNCTIONALITY WILL BE UNLOCKED WITH THE 2.2 UPDATE.
- What about bluetooth voice dialing, JIT, flash, and the updated google apps that come with 2.2, not to mention the speed increase. The FroYo update for the Vibrant doesn't count in this case because everyone knows that update was rushed because of the lawsuit business, and that lead to a bugged release.
And if none of that convinces you, the fragmentation of the market is the best example I can give. Do you know how annoying it is to find an app that you know your phone has more than enough power to run, but it won't even show up in the market because it only works on FroYo and up? IT'S THE ****ING PITS DUDE. For example there is this game that some (ex-sony I think) devs called Lame Castle that I really want to play, but it won't work on galaxy s phones without FroYo. Look it up on the market with Epic, it won't even show up. Now go on appbrain and its there clear as day. There are numerous examples of this, but this is the one that affected me that most.
So when you say that we should have know better and should not be upset, all I can say is that I hope you continue to enjoy the anal that samsung and sprint have given you so far. There's a lot more to come.
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I would have to say my favorite part about what you said was when you said Froyo for vibrant was rushed and has bugs. Because that could be us, we could have a rushed crappy edition of froyo. I understand that it makes it better and we can't do somthings without but if your life won't go on because you can't play some game on your phone (unless somehow you've got a job doing mobile gaming) then it might be time to look at some new hobbies or just pay your way out of contract so you can go get a phone with froyo that will make you happy as a little kid in a candy shop. But it must not be that bad if your willing to wait it out and hope one day you will wake up and see an OTA.
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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.

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you never [/rant]
Anyways android is a grey point right now as with your reference to XP you could pay to upgrade to vista/7 (driver / hardware supporting of course) where with android everything is kept under wraps so by the manufacturer until weeks or sometimes months after their "official" software is released and only then can some reverse engineer everything to get what they need to develop.
Hopefully the future of android can be like computer operating systems. Manufacturers only make drivers that way google can push out their own updates or at least give us the ability to do our own.
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You are very right as far as being able to pay for updates I was just meaning more of on a free level for that analogy, but yes very good point. And I too hope that it will someday be that easy.
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About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.

Protoroll said:
About the Vibrant, their is no excuse for that buggy release at such a late push date. The carriers have had FroYo since November and and have taken their own sweet time working on it. To add insult to injury, Every other carrier with a Galaxy S phone has pushed out FroYo since November. They even started getting 2.2.1 about two weeks ago. Even the number five carrier in the states, U.S. Cellular, has had FroYo out for its captivate out for about a month and a half now. And guess what? That update went off without a hitch. I also like how you were able to boil down my argument into the my statement about Lame Castle, which in my circles is very important because I'm going to school for that kind of thing, and Vibrant update which I would have even if I didn't have months of knowledge on the situation here and everywhere else that Galaxies are sold. You just get your phone and feel like preaching to me on how I should just take this ****. I bought this phone months ago knowing I would be with it for two years and expecting on Samsung to hold up to their statement of by the end of the year. Its a month into 2011 and still nothing. If you find your epic fine on 2.1, all power to you. But their are people with docks, people that want to make hands free calls while on the road, and people who just want full access to the market, who have all the right in the world to complain over this mess.
Note: Make multiple threads on XDA is NOT the way to go about it though people.
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I never said there was an excuse for it but I do like your note, bc that was one thing I was trying to get at in my original statement is topic after topic about how we don't have 2.2. And I said earlier to a guy its not the people such as yourself that have had th phone and been expecting the update its ppl that haven't had their phone long and are starting thread after thread asking or complaining about 2.2.
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rygran87 said:
Actually, I did. Also, because of the slide out keyboard. If I wanted a phone forever stuck with Eclair, I'd have kept my Moment.
EDIT: I am not stuck on Eclair, but there are people who don't know about rooting and custom ROMs.
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You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...

Quis89 said:
You bought the phone because it was supposed to get 2.2?!
Well ladies and gents...theres one idiot...
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I decided to get THIS phone for the desired features AND the promise of 4G and 2.2 before the ed of the year. While you are entitled to your opinions, I certainly don't appreciate labeling and especially not when you do it from the safety of your keyboard. It just isn't called for.
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I didnt read the majority of the posts, I apologize....just want to put in my two cents and I guarantee it'll still be on topic.
People here have the right to rant. They have the right to be angry. They bought a true high end Android phone and are still on 2.1. That's not right... I have an Evo and an Epic...and the difference between 2.1 and 2.2 is really just the Flash (I'm not including what Samsung through in there based off of the leaked roms. Because some of what they through in there was just polishing up the UI and stuff). And Flash isn't really that big of a deal, its just one of those things that is nice to have. But thats beside the point. It doesnt even matter if the only thing different between 2.2 and 2.1 was a damn ringtone...a high end Android phone should be updated. If you don't update these phones, then why would someone shell out extra money to buy another high end phone that will share the same exact features as a low end phone? True the High end will be faster, but it really needs to have something to separate itself from the low end phone and that something should be the fact that it will always be supported...
And this is the problem with Android and this is what makes me sick about it. Android is great...but dammit...they need to relax on these phones and focus on the ones that are out now. They just keep on taking our money, and its going to get to the point where no phones will be updated, they will just keep releasing phones with the new update. And they know people will straight up go buy the new phone just for that update, just to realize that it aint even good. I started with the Evo before the Epic and if I wouldve went from the Epic to the Evo just for 2.2, I wouldve been pissed the hell off. 2.2 is not worth it at all...well, lemme put it like this: 2.2 by itself is not worth it. Although it aint worth it, this high end phone should still have it. If the Evo has it...the Epic should have it. The Evo will probably get Gingerbread and that'll be a damn shame...it won't benefit from it at all...
I mean, when you look at this 2.2 update from different angles, you can see why people rant and get mad. They have the right to...now if we could just put all of it into one thread that would be a lot better than multiple threads...but its w/e.
Also, does anyone else think that nothing else will top Android but Android will "destroy" itself? Android has already destroyed itself with me, if the iPhone hits Sprint, I'm jumping ship.