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4G signal

I live in Seattle,WA. T-Mobile is useless for customer support. My question is what is up with 4G. Is it like still in beta or something. I haven't seen 4G at all.
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You don't see an actual 4g sign on your phone you just see a h on your signal bar that stands for hspa+ aka 4g
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but im still on the UMTS network. not HSPA+.....the H is always there unless im on EDGE orGPRS.

Cm7

does cm7 support hspa+, just wondering cuz, I'm not really getting 4g speeds running cm7 and I'm wondering if it's my coverage or my ROM
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csdalporto said:
does cm7 support hspa+, just wondering cuz, I'm not really getting 4g speeds running cm7 and I'm wondering if it's my coverage or my ROM
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T-Mobile's MySense shows "H" for HSPA (3G) and HSPA+ ("4G") speeds.
CM7 does support HSAP+.
If you are not getting the HSPA+ speeds it's your coverage area, or you've been throttled back depending on your data usage.

I'm not getting throttled so I guess it is just bad coverage...just wondering, cuz I love cm7 would have hated it if it didn't play well with 4g. But it shows an H for me, will cm7 show 3g for 3g or an h for 4g and 3g
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csdalporto said:
I'm not getting throttled so I guess it is just bad coverage...just wondering, cuz I love cm7 would have hated it if it didn't play well with 4g. But it shows an H for me, will cm7 show 3g for 3g or an h for 4g and 3g
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CM7 will show
H = HSPA+
3G = HSPA
E = EDGE

K nice thanks
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is it true...

thats t-mobiles 4g is more widespread than sprints atm? i was told last night that it was.

All they did was beef up their 3G network and not use a "new technology", so yes, it is.

yeah they about the same, but some 4g speeds (even tho is not really 4g) from tmobile re faster then sprint wimax

I have a Dell Streak 7 with tmobile and yes its true...and its fast! I don't have Wimax in my area though for my EVO

I don't have 4G from Sprint, but I do get 3G.
I can't sign up for T-Mobile (or Verizon) where I am even if I wanted to.

sprints 4g is hardly no where, just in SOME major cities
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fixxxer2008 said:
thats t-mobiles 4g is more widespread than sprints atm? i was told last night that it was.
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They advertise as the nations largest "4G" network so probably. The confusing thing to me is that AT&T announced that their entire 3G network is now HSPA+, and they have a significantly larger 3G network than T-Mo so shouldn't they have the largest HSPA+/"4G" network? Of course with AT&T comes more users so speeds will be slower anyway (I get 3-5 Mb/s on a iPhone 4 in Brooklyn so you'd get that even with a HSPA+/"4G" phone like the Inspire).

my buddy has the nexus S and his speed crush mine he get 4g speeds on a 3g network while im on a 3g network getting dial up speeds

CheesyNutz said:
my buddy has the nexus S and his speed crush mine he get 4g speeds on a 3g network while im on a 3g network getting dial up speeds
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Yup GSM 3G is faster then cdam
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jgalan14 said:
Yup GSM 3G is faster then cdam
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IF they have HSPA+, if not then they are about equal.

Beejis said:
IF they have HSPA+, if not then they are about equal.
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Truth but now att and T-Mobile are hspa + and all devices are going to come like that, btw I just saw the latest report of the networks reliability (call , sms and data )and Verizon came up on top again, while T-Mobile is the worst ( I got a tmobile phone from my company) and att and sprint almost the same
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...nwide-t-mobile-c/&category=classic&postPage=1
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androidpolice.com/2011/03/06/the-four-gees-comparison-which-carrier-should-you-be-looking-to-for-your-4g-android-phone/#
Here is a report from Android central and Sprint came out at last with his 4G network
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so i see it's true then. actually a t-mobile rep told me this at their kiosk last night. i thought he was just trying to make a sale, guess not!

weehooherod said:
I'm so jelly of T-Mobile's 4G. One doesn't need to switch a radio on and off to conserve battery life, it's just always there.
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Yea this is awesome love this statement bro
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CheesyNutz said:
my buddy has the nexus S and his speed crush mine he get 4g speeds on a 3g network while im on a 3g network getting dial up speeds
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+1
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HSDPA 3G or 4G?

Just checking but when your network status says HSDPA that is not considered "4G" right? More like enhanced 3G correct?
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you're right ! but if u have a 4g phone like the mt4g, g2, samsung vibrant4g, etc.
you will get the full hsdpa+ 4g network. so u don't have to worry if it says 4g or just H, or hsdpa in settingsettings info. I can tell the difference with my mt4g compared to mytouch3g. both says H on the notification bar & HSDPA but the speeds for the mt4g is way faster!

The terminology is branding more than anything else. hsdpa is t-mobile's high speed protocol for 3g, but they call it 4g because, well, pretty much everyone has jumped the gun on calling their networks 4g.

fastnsx21 said:
Just checking but when your network status says HSDPA that is not considered "4G" right? More like enhanced 3G correct?
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Someone chime in and correct me if i'm wrong
By definition 4G has to meet 100Mbps on download during peak times. HSPA+, LTE, Wi-Max do not meet these requirements as of currently. And every thing is enhanced 3G.
If you look at it from a "G" = Generation Standpoint we are in the 4th Generation of Mobile Broadband technology. 1: GRPS 2:EDGE 3:HSPA 4:HSPA+. So it really depends on which side of the coin you look. and to really get the idea of it
HSPA = High Speed Packet Access
HSDPA = High Speed Download Packet Access
HSUPA = High Speed Upload Packet Access
If i'm correct typically your phone is considered HSPA if you have HSDPA and HSUPA activated. But if you are on lets say AT&T with the Atrix, they consider that a HSDPA+ phone, because the upload end of things are still as slow as 3G or below.

Well hsdpa will have about 8-10 mbps theoretical download speed. Where later this year T-Mobile is releasing hspa + to have up to 42 mbps download and technically it can be upgraded in to the 100's of mbps.
So personally I would call it 3g
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neidlinger said:
Someone chime in and correct me if i'm wrong
By definition 4G has to meet 100Mbps on download during peak times.
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I thought it was 1gig
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I was checking because I was wondering if I was getting what I paid for or not.
I put quotes around the 4G because there is some debate about whether it is or not. I really believe its not. Whether it meets standards or not it doesn't bother me because I reallyyyy don't need 100mbps on a phone. Tethering on the other hand....
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TMobiles HSPA+ network is considered 4G by the ITU, which says what should be called 4G. It wasn't originally fast enought, but they changed their mind and said that WiMax, LTE, AND HSPA+ are technically 4G. http://www.intomobile.com/2010/12/18/itu-reverses-its-decision-lte-wimax-and-hspa-are-now-4g/

mark manning said:
I thought it was 1gig
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Network speed isn't really measured in gigs..
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Detroit area wireless speeds

Tonight I did some speed tests and I am getting 6.7mbps downloads and 1.7 mbps uploads. I repeated the test a few times and download speeds are consistently over 6 mbps. Uploads will go up to 1.8 mbps and than drop to .28 or so. Wierd as I don't think these are 4g speds I am getting. At list in the menu it said I was on hsps.
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Sorry I meant hspa.
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Can anyone tell me if hspa is att 4g? How do I know if I am on 3g+ or not?
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HSPA is 3G (up to 7.2 Mbit/s)
HSPA+ is what AT&T called "4G" (actually, it is 3.75g, up to 42 Mbit/s)

Thanks for clarifying that. Now, is 4g working anywhere yet, or it hasn't been turned on?
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Anyone know why the speeds differ so much when connected to HSDPA and HSPA?
When my phone says connected to HSDPA, my downloads go from 1-3 and uploads are 0.20. But when connected to HSPA I get 3.1-7.2 down and 1.2-1.6 up. Pings are also lower with HSPA (130ms vs 250ms). And why do they switch so much? I could be in the same place with my phone getting good signal (-58db) and it would constantly switch connecting between HSDPA and HSPA.

cla2000 said:
Thanks for clarifying that. Now, is 4g working anywhere yet, or it hasn't been turned on?
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I would still like to know if 4g is on or not.
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It will be done region by region, there may be a couple of areas that have backhaul in place...the at&t shows my whole tri-state region is 4G* and I have yet to get above 3.5 MB/s down in any speed test I've done.

The 6-7mb/s range is right for 4g. The theoretical cap for our phone is 14.4, but you will never see those speeds (same as someone with verizon lte will never see 48mb/s). The most you will see with the atrix is probably going to be about 9mb/s if no one else is using the network. That's a huge improvement from 3-4mb/s though, and should be plenty fast for anything you can do on a wireless phone at this point.

But isn't there any way for me to check and see if I am actually on 4g or not.
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