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I'm starting a new thread in hopes that we can leave the negative shenanigans out of this one and get some work done here. Please help out all you can! Thanks
EDIT: changed the name of the thread a little as this thread is now including appreciation for our awesome devs here!
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My estimate of our wonderful phone receiving 2.3 is Feb. 14th.
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impossible
now mods have two threads to close
when and if someone gets it working, they'll make a thread. threads like this belong in general
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I'm starting a new thread in hopes that we can leave the negative shenanigans out of this one and get some work done here. Please help out all you can! Thanks
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Devs please make sure you parse apps right that is the biggest problem people forget to check also. You must get rid of all eris files. This is a sdk build and really needs alot of changes to make work.
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Just go straight to honeycomb. Cant we just get a rom dump from the blurry pics of the non released motorola tablet shown today on engadget lol.
Now here's my question why must all leaked pictures be blurry??
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So they look "leaky" haha, clear photos don't look underground enough. I think its hilarious how so many people complain about how crappy gingerbread is but then complain when they don't have it after 3 seconds of it being released!
I know this thread will get closed quickly, but I did just want to express my thanks to all the devs here for all the hard work and energy you put into our toys. You guys deserve honor for what you do because many of you have families, real jobs, and real lives and you do all this for free.
But time is money and it costs you many hours so that we can load ridiculously cool software and soup our phones up, again, for free!
Its time we started giving honor, respect, and donations where it belongs. I apologize for the way some people have treated yall here, its not okay. I also think though that those of us who are appreciative need not be silent anymore, as unexpressed gratitude comes across as ingratitude. I am on here a lot checking for updates and downloadin new roms and probably need to speak up more on the positives. I think people only post when something goes wrong: if everything's smooth we silently bask in the rom glory, but if one bug comes our way we blow up the threads.
I know I am generalizing and this doesn't apply to everyone, but this is just what I've observed. Once again I honor you guys for the the skill, talent, and generosity you have to do all these amazing roms and kernels and themes for us. I know you do it for fun but seriously thank you!
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Thats right people, lets all just be thankful we have devs out there supporting our phone. Even if some are split between projects and can't devote full attention to the Dinc, at least its SOMEBODY. At the end of the day, the majority of us would take one look at some code and go "screw that". These people got some major skill, and I'm thankful for ALL the devs every time I see my Dinc with a CM6 bootscreen (And others can insert their own ROM touches, Myn, SR, etc..).
I've always been meaning to really thank the devs here but I never know who to really thank anymore I mean rmk thanks for virtuous ncx I'm sure that's wrong but thanks your your awesome clocks whoever made my iron man splash screen thanks thanks to everyone who has made the eighty million mods I frankenstine into my phone. Without you all my phone would be lame and with you I have something I show off everyday. Thanks a lot to everyone you guys put a lot into stuff that gives close to nothing back and that is just idk awesome lol. I'm done with this thanks rant now. Lol I think we created a thanks thread for now and not a gingerbread one.
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I was going to start a new thread in general just for everyone to thank all the XDA devs working on the Incredible, but this one seems to have that vibe going. Who knows, maybe I still will make that thread. But anyways I just wanted to throw my thanks out there to the devs cause without you this whole forum wouldn't even be here. I know *some of you guys* got trashed earlier on other threads, and I'm sorry for that. I guess some people just got caught up in the smell of gingerbread fresh out of the oven. I hope you guys know that there are those of us who really do appreciate your work and although those like myself don't have the knowledge to write our own code, I personally am willing to help and contribute any way I can. So my hats off to you devs, keep fighting the good fight.
Droid Incredible for the win.
Sincerely,
Cmdoptesc47
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On a more interesting note.. I've been taking breaks from finals studying to play with the new sdk. My first couple attempts of a pure gingerbread rom for inc all resulted in boot loops. I'll definitely have more time to fuss around with it later today though. So, hold your freakin horses. Beggers can't always be choosers
When I get the new lap top I'm loking to make the dev jump
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seanzer said:
On a more interesting note.. I've been taking breaks from finals studying to play with the new sdk. My first couple attempts of a pure gingerbread rom for inc all resulted in boot loops. I'll definitely have more time to fuss around with it later today though. So, hold your freakin horses. Beggers can't always be choosers
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I'm working on this as well; boot looping here too. Free time is limited right now, though, so I'm not sure if I'll have anything usable before the new year.
Agree with everyone thanking the devs. You guys are awesome. Thanks for helping free us from the grasps of our carriers and use the full potential of our phones!!!!
I just want to post my thanks to all the developers. One of the reasons i purchased an android phone in the first place is the massive mod community that it had. My experience has been amazing and what some of you guys do is beyond what i can even imagine myself accomplishing with the same tools. The few asshats that get bent of shape every time something doesn't work exactly how they want are just that, the few and the loud. They do not speak for the majority and should be penalized for their disrespect.
As much as i could denounce ****ers like AndroidStu and papi, i understand where IncDoes is coming from. He, along with many other devs, give us all these things that they created in their free time completely free of charge. They owe us nothing and only share their creation with us. I am ashamed to be grouped with such ungrateful ****tards.
I'd also like to take some time to post a quick thanks to our dev community. You guys are superhuman.
If I have seen farther, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.
Yep it's easy to get in a rut and forget and/or take for granted what these guys do. I used to theme for Blackberry and especially when I had multiple themes going, it seemed to consume every ounce of my free time. And what I was doing is like tinkertoys compared to what these guys are doing...no comparison. Not even in the same universe.
There have been some unfortunate events that have occured in the last day or so but regardless of what and when 2.3 advancements hit...my sincere thanks to all who make this phone and community a better place.
While everyone else is at it ill add
This phone has the best support by far than every other thread
The devs take the time to tackle individual problems that we have along with building us great roms
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While everyone else is at it ill add
This phone has the best support by far than every other thread
The devs take the time to tackle individual problems that we have along with building us great roms
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+1000. i can wait for Gingerbread. between cyanogen's rom, seanzers' CM6 fixes, invisiblek's kernels and everything else available for the DInc I've got an awesome phone and I'm hella grateful. i would be remiss to not at least shout out all the rest of the devs out there who are doing their thing as well.
the only person I know who'd hate on Devs is my wife, who feels like she's lost me to ROM flashing, kernel swapping, radio upgrading and all the other shenanigans that go with have root, bloody root.
I must also say thanks to all the devs the DInc has
You guys do some amazing stuff that I could never do
I always wanted to share this as some people call themselves developers in this forum by just removing and adding some apps and making roms "look faster". What they is actually going into the app called spare parts and choose the fast transition and fast windows animations. So why not trying these settings on cm7 and see which is faster people? Or any other rom developed by true developers!! I am not saying im against rom development but at least if u are trying to develop then do something unique and not a rom that even my grandma could do
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I agree mostly... the vast majority of roms available for us right now are just themed CM7. that's fine and dandy, but it's particularly amusing to me when people talk smack about CM7 being "slow" or "buggy" etc and then claim their new rom of choice, a CM7 variant, is the best thing since sliced bread.
that said, even theming can be a hell of a task, and extremely time consuming. I appreciate all of the work the development community provides to us (free of charge, mind you).
I don't see what you are trying to get at here. For a start I have tried just about every rom there is and I don't believe I have ever come across one that has window tansitions set to fast by default. We have a really good mix of devs here doing different things and do great work. You need to remember that devs build a rom that they like, quite often it is built for them and they choose to release it to the general public.
One of the great things about this community is choice. A rom that one person loves and another will hate, its all about personal preference.
Do you know anything about developing a rom? I don't but I knw a lot of work goes in to them and the devs do a lot more than change some settings on spare parts to make there rom different, better and faster than the next rom.
Your post in insulting to the devs that work really hard to give us something cool and awesome.
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Well said. You must strive to support to the best of your abilities, the development scene for this respective phone.
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There is a MAJOR difference between Chef and Developers, that's why we have the term Chef for non devs that make ROMs.
I never said not supporting TRUE dev!! Im referring to those that call themselves devs by removing and adding a few apps. Go into other handsets forums and see what i mean. For ouf g2 only a few deserve to be called devs. Thats what im saying..
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I know who your referring to, and if your not referring to someone in particular, there is someone who repackages stuff that offers nothing new and everyone wets there pants over it. Getting on my nerves somewhat.
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There is a MAJOR difference between Chef and Developers, that's why we have the term Chef for non devs that make ROMs.
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And does anyone actually use the chef title here on the g2 forum? No....
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I think this thread really exemplifies a major issue in the dev community: The lack of drive for a unified stable product whose basic functions all work properly across a cross section of devices.
Theaming is all well and good, but if MMS doesn't work and you have force crashes on multiple internal apps; what exactly is it all good for? If I can't boot up gps, then what the heck does it matter? If internal components and tweaks are confusing and ill thought out, then why the heck are they being shared?
I really think that the dev community needs to sit down across multiple devices & hash these issues out.
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I think this thread really exemplifies a major issue in the dev community: The lack of drive for a unified stable product whose basic functions all work properly across a cross section of devices.
Theaming is all well and good, but if MMS doesn't work and you have force crashes on multiple internal apps; what exactly is it all good for? If I can't boot up gps, then what the heck does it matter? If internal components and tweaks are confusing and ill thought out, then why the heck are they being shared?
I really think that the dev community needs to sit down across multiple devices & hash these issues out.
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Yohu know what your looking for? A stock rom....they all work! The devs here are pushing the boundries and taking our phones to the edge! Of course not everything will work out of the box and if they fixed everything before they released it they would have to deal with everyone begging for the next release.
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I know who your referring to, and if your not referring to someone in particular, there is someone who repackages stuff that offers nothing new and everyone wets there pants over it. Getting on my nerves somewhat.
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Thats what im talking about. I m glad someone agrees with me.. cheers mate
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Thats what im talking about. I m glad someone agrees with me.. cheers mate
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Thought I was the only one too but did not want to be rude or sound ungrateful. I do appreciate every quote on quote devs work and passion for making us roms. But some of these are just stock with the equivelant of removing bloat with titanium backup. No system tweaks. Nothing really even changed. if anything they should just be called bloatless roms or something.
On another note, while I do get annoyed that a lot of stuff is just cyanogen with a slick of paint on it, obviously the work it takes to build a rom from the ground up is not easy. Otherwise we would see a lot more of them. I do understand that and do not take lightly how hard it probably is. Maybe the answer is let's port some roms from other phones? Like insertcoin for example? Or maybe all the devs that are just repackaging stuff get together and form something along the lines of what the bionix team does and all work together to make one super good rom.
I LOVE the choices we have with this phone. Its f-in awesome. But sometimes I feel like its just a placebo with really one 3 to 4 actual unique roms for our g2. I do not know how to make roms, so I'm not acting like this can be done overnight. But some of this just seems like common sense no matter what angle your coming from.
Obviously rmk is a rom god. And suilmagic seems like an up and comer. Pershoots kick ass. I thought for a minute there was many a rumor that eugene was heading our way, which if true would probably cause a dam near astronomical shift in this forum, hope there is some truth to that rumor. Those are devs that stand out to me, if I didn't say your name I just didn't think of you when I was writing this.
Thank you for indulging my two cents. I do not mean to offend anyone whatsoever. I appreciate everything you guys do for us. But let's not sugarcoat the reality of our situation.
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kokoskokis544, welcome to the club
what enrages me the most is the absence of detailed information on what exactly is done to the rom - goes against the community spirit.
I would like to research the changes myself and make sure there's nothing that can damage my phone.
actually, from my point of view, the worst thing is when someone does not give deserved credit - "Grab, use and forget"
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kokoskokis544, welcome to the club
what enrages me the most is the absence of detailed information on what exactly is done to the rom - goes against the community spirit.
I would like to research the changes myself and make sure there's nothing that can damage my phone.
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I agree that is extremely annoying. And then you ask what is it in it or whats different from other roms and you get a "INSTALL IT STUPID AND FIND OUT"....YA WELL UP YOURS TOO
even decompiling a rom and making minor changes like adding/removing apks and tweaking existing settings takes hours of work. theming is even more time consuming. I don't think most people realize this. the work itself isn't "hard," but the amount of time you have to set aside to be able to do this kind of stuff is extremely tough to come by, at least for me.
in that respect, you should all be grateful for the time ALL devs and chefs, regardless of the substance of their contributions, devote to giving us new stuff to play with.
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even decompiling a rom and making minor changes like adding/removing apks and tweaking existing settings takes hours of work. theming is even more time consuming. I don't think most people realize this. the work itself isn't "hard," but the amount of time you have to set aside to be able to do this kind of stuff is extremely tough to come by, at least for me.
in that respect, you should all be grateful for the time ALL devs and chefs, regardless of the substance of their contributions, devote to giving us new stuff to play with.
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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
[sig]My mission is to hit 1000 posts by 23/05/2011[sig]
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Make that two. I don't really see a reason to get all aggro over something that is free. As to something that "might damage my phone".... um.. what? To my knowledge, the devs (or whatever some may wish to call them) are not into the practice of putting out toxic software for us to download. To make sure, I use this goofy thing called judgement. I'll look at a new ROM, read the dev comments, wait a while, read the feedback comments, and make a decision. Not complicated. If there are a ton of bugs and problems, I'll wait until later versions come out that correct these issues. Or I'll choose another ROM. I honestly don't see the point of complaining about free services and a plethora of options. If people don't like all that, unroot and stay with stock software.
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I'm glad there is at least one person here that share my point of view.
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No, I'm with you too. While I don't know zip about development, I can appreciate the fact that it takes time and effort to create and upload a ROM, even one that is just a tweaked version of someone else's work.
While the OP seems to be complaining about one or a few people in particular, it seems that many people who post ROMs are doing it for the sheer enjoyment, or to create something unique for themselves. Then, they go out of their way to upload and post it on here for others to enjoy. Of course, giving credit when its due, and describing what has been changed (and what hasn't), as previously suggested, are all good points as well.
Its not like there is a whole lot of fortune and glory associated with calling yourself a "developer". If somebody is even calling themselves that, its probably due to lack of a better term, more than anything else. Its a bit cumbersome to go around calling yourself "Guy who modified a ROM for myself, and now posting it for others to enjoy".
Besides, if you don't like a person's ROMs, just don't use them or read his threads. Not enough ROMs tends to be the more common complaint, rather than too many (although obviously quality is a factor as well, not just quantity).
If you really wanna ***** about free services then don't use them, switch phones, go to a different dev community. People do this work for fun, they don't ask for money for the hours of work they put in. You should be appreciative for whatever ROMs we get ,especially if you don't "dev" yourself.
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Hi there, it seems that Trip could manage the issue with the camera and video recorder on 2.3.4, you can check on Modaco.
Just an information, no offense or so because it s related to Trip, etc,,,,
Cheers
Dude every body knew that a long time ago
Even the time when he was at xda
His tripnmiui 2.3.3 had it working
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But he just never implemented it
Because he had a working camcorder it caused many disputes
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I mean, the 720p and 8mpixels too? I do not remember that
HE only has 720 p working not 8mp
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Umm, as I can see in the thread's title, he s got also the 8mp
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Umm, as I can see in the thread's title, he s got also the 8mp
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its not yet released...
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HE only has 720 p working not 8mp
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No he didn't he prepared it for it, he never got it working, just prepared
This is awesome news on modaco and I'm sure once he gets it fully integrated he'll share it with Jerpelea
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waiting....
fail.And we were waiting official rom to steal the libs and the files.
once again trip showed his capabilities
I have a few suggestions to spare, if I may, so that such threads won't be turned into flame-wars:
FACTS:
1. Trip is no longer a part of XDA community and he has moved on to a totally different community, Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.
2. Trip continues to develop his ROM and distribute them on Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.
3. The reasons behind Trip's ban from XDA are pretty much well-known by now, as are his new whereabouts (in case anyone missed it, it's Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.)
What I want to suggest is that when Trip reaches a major breakthrough in development and only after he releases a ROM including the said breakthrough in public, then and only then, whoever is interested in the general well-being and progress of the X10 community, should contact the developers that are currently a part of XDA and let them know about it.
Because that way, there will be no public arguments, no lovers, no haters, no trolls parading in front of our innocent eyes.
All in all, I am fairly certain that most people interested in custom ROMs, know where Trip is releasing his work now. Heck, even a simple Google search will do the trick for those not yet informed.
Let's try to keep each to his own and avoid unecessary conflicts.
That being said, I am following the ongoing development over at Modaco and appreciate everything that's being achieved there. I just don't feel the need to open up a new thread, stepping on a minefield, every time I see something interesting there. And rest assured, I would feel and post the exact same thing on Modaco, if it was the either way around.
And in case anyone missed my point, don't forget: Modaco is in no way affiliated with XDA.
Cheers!
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I have a few suggestions to spare, if I may, so that such threads won't be turned into flame-wars:
FACTS:
1. Trip is no longer a part of XDA community and he has moved on to a totally different community, Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.
2. Trip continues to develop his ROM and distribute them on Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.
3. The reasons behind Trip's ban from XDA are pretty much well-known by now, as are his new whereabouts (in case anyone missed it, it's Modaco, which is in no way affiliated with XDA.)
What I want to suggest is that when Trip reaches a major breakthrough in development and only after he releases a ROM including the said breakthrough in public, then and only then, whoever is interested in the general well-being and progress of the X10 community, should contact the developers that are currently a part of XDA and let them know about it.
Because that way, there will be no public arguments, no lovers, no haters, no trolls parading in front of our innocent eyes.
All in all, I am fairly certain that most people interested in custom ROMs, know where Trip is releasing his work now. Heck, even a simple Google search will do the trick for those not yet informed.
Let's try to keep each to his own and avoid unecessary conflicts.
That being said, I am following the ongoing development over at Modaco and appreciate everything that's being achieved there. I just don't feel the need to open up a new thread, stepping on a minefield, every time I see something interesting there. And rest assured, I would feel and post the exact same thing on Modaco, if it was the either way around.
And in case anyone missed my point, don't forget: Modaco is in no way affiliated with XDA.
Cheers!
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I'll be the devil's advocate her and disagree with you. This is the Xperia X10 General forum, meaning that anything closely related to the X10 is allowed here. This has something to do with the x10, and hell, it's a huge thing. I never knew about this until this thread, so I thank this thread.
Yes, it will probably turn into a flame war, but technically there is nothing wrong with posting this news here because someone, regardless of forums, has made a major breakthrough for our phone, which, Modaco or XDA, we all (hopefully) love.
whoever is interested in the general well-being and progress of the X10 community, should contact the developers that are currently a part of XDA and let them know about it
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sure the XDA Developers can read, and if they require such information can contact him direct, don't need people running of reporting to them, like school. As you say it's nothing to do with XDA what is happening at modaco.
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I'll be the devil's advocate her and disagree with you. This is the Xperia X10 General forum, meaning that anything closely related to the X10 is allowed here. This has something to do with the x10, and hell, it's a huge thing. I never knew about this until this thread, so I thank this thread.
Yes, it will probably turn into a flame war, but technically there is nothing wrong with posting this news here because someone, regardless of forums, has made a major breakthrough for our phone, which, Modaco or XDA, we all (hopefully) love.
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Yes, maybe you are right and maybe I was too fast to judge this particular thread.
I apologise, I seem to be carried-away by the many threads that turn into flame wars and end up locked every day, which is frustrating, imho.
Only one point I maintain: the ROM is not released yet, so one thing to consider is the well-known over-hype and the bitter disappointment afterwards (a.k.a unlocked bootloader, GB new features, etc...)
So, all I am saying is to be a little more conservative.
Maybe there should be a sticky thread in Development with progress made for X10, location-independent.
Again, sorry if I ignored the informative character of the OP, but it seems that such threads rarely stay limited to information.
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sure the XDA Developers can read, and if they require such information can contact him direct, don't need people running of reporting to them, like school. As you say it's nothing to do with XDA what is happening at modaco.
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I am sure they can, I didn't mean it this way. It was a suggestion to channel the enthusiasm in a safer way.
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sure the XDA Developers can read, and if they require such information can contact him direct, don't need people running of reporting to them, like school. As you say it's nothing to do with XDA what is happening at modaco.
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This has nothing to do with what's happening with XDA or Modaco. This is what's happening with the X10. I agree that posts here about the the release of a new Trip thread on Modaco is wrong, but Imo there's nothing wrong giving info about a huge breakthrough that's happened, regardless of forums. There's a difference between that and advertising someone else's ROM.
@My_Immortal.
Yeah, I agree with you, I'm not going to fall into all that hype just yet. I remember when he said 1080P breakthrough was coming and nothing came, so I'm cautiously hopeful, but Trip is a very good dev so I think it might be true, let's wait and see
im closing this thread
cause they always turn out the same way
Thank you mods. According to JT now he no longer be contributing to this site due to your ****ty job. We lost one if the best developers.
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Where is he going
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Where did you hear that? If it's true, then that's pretty depressing. I hope he changes his mind eventually.
I don't blame him for leaving. But it does kinda suck.
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He'll continue to update @rootzwiki
I figured he would. That's gonna be the place to go if things don't change around here. He isn't the first to go and I say he won't be the last either.
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Yes, the mods should work to clean up some of the asinine and obnoxious posts on here, such as this thread's OP. Too bad adults have to be monitored like children
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Yes, the mods should work to clean up some of the asinine and obnoxious posts on here, such as this thread's OP. Too bad adults have to be monitored like children
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Zinger. Just reporting what I saw on twitter. Back to your moms basement
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I don't get what the whole drama is about. I saw adrynalyn's letter although it really didn't explain what exactly happened at xda and why he was banned and why other developers are leaving too. It seems like there is a massive exodus of developers but I really don't know why or what happened. There is drama here definitely but not much more than I've seen at other forums although xda has gotten huge. Oh, well... I really don't care what forum I go to. I don't get too involved.
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Damn. Didnt know Adrynalyn had got banned. That's pretty messed up. As for the exodus I have noticed it too. There almost no development going on in the Mesmerize development section. All of them have went to Rootzwiki. I haven't even seen them post in other threads or anything. So whatever has happened its enough to piss them all off. I wouldn't mind knowing what happened myself but oh well. Maybe I don't need too.
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What exactly are you talking about? What lack of moderation have you seen? Maybe instead of posting a complaint thread you could actually bring something to my attention and it can get dealt with. I moderate 3 forums here at XDA and don't see EVERYTHING. Seriously, we have a report post button for a reason...
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What exactly are you talking about? What lack of moderation have you seen? Maybe instead of posting a complaint thread you could actually bring something to my attention and it can get dealt with. I moderate 3 forums here at XDA and don't see EVERYTHING. Seriously, we have a report post button for a reason...
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first, I like how you cleaned this place up from what it was, and I have not seen anything singling you out. I follow a lot of devs on twitter.. And from what I gather, most of the frustration and animosity from the devs is toward the community itself. And what is toward the mods, it seems more the lack of numbers. another thing that I think bugs the devs is xda's add revenue not being put toward the community or t.the devs enough.. What it boils down to is
The feeling of appreciation, they all do this expecting nothing. So your gonna be on thin ice from the get go.. Devs don't need XDA at all, not 1 bit.. But you do need them. Xda needs to kiss the devs asses and make them feel like royalty, weather you like it or not, that's the only thing that will keep the devs here
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first, I like how you cleaned this place up from what it was, and I have not seen anything singling you out. I follow a lot of devs on twitter.. And from what I gather, most of the frustration and animosity from the devs is toward the community itself. And what is toward the mods, it seems more the lack of numbers. another thing that I think bugs the devs is xda's add revenue not being put toward the community or t.the devs enough.. What it boils down to is
The feeling of appreciation, they all do this expecting nothing. So your gonna be on thin ice from the get go.. Devs don't need XDA at all, not 1 bit.. But you do need them. Xda needs to kiss the devs asses and make them feel like royalty, weather you like it or not, that's the only thing that will keep the devs here
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No, it wont. These forums are very poorly moderated, I think the mods expect too much from people as far as reporting goes. Threads are made in the wrong section all of the time and dont get moved for days sometimes a week+ Some threads need to be cleaned of non contributing, repetitive crap. The list is longer than I care to sit here and type out. In the end, the lack of moderation and the bickering/immaturity that stems from every side of the table is going to do this forum in. It's not the first time and it wont be the last time. This site got too popular and too many people that have no desire to learn come here expecting to be spoon fed information. Anyways, it's sad to see that it had to come to this. Personally I think whatever action is taken might just be too late unless someone proactively tried to mend the situation from all angles.
I'd like to thanks the mods for their service to the community. You guys don't get paid to do this stuff, so we appreciate it. As for the developers, it's obvious that we all should have the utmost respect and thankfulness for all of them, as they contribute to the functionality and usability of our phones and expect nothing in return. The only thing that really, really hacks me is when people expect nice little packages to be delivered to their phone, (bug-free) and become downright donkey holes when they are asked to learn something themselves. XDA is a learning and collaboration portal, and those who demand something for nothing immediately give the lot of us a bad name. Keep up the good work mods and devs.
Thanks bro. Much appreciated. We DON'T get paid to do this, we are all here on a volunteer basis.
People have forgotten what XDA is truly about...DEVELOPMENT and COLLABORATION between users who want to get the most out of their devices, not a place to come and make your phone 1337.
But alas, all this will turn into is a flame war, so hey, hers some moderation since I apparently don't do my job. /s
Thread closed.
Please stop derailing development threads, it really is getting out of hand. Instead of letting moderators step in, how about policing ourselves? If you don't have anything good to say, then don't say anything. If you take ownership to the matter, then settle it in private channels. This is only hindering people learning the inner workings of android and roms.
If one person creates rom A, built from source (obviously referring to aosp roms). Chances are rom A is using work done by other individuals in the community to achieve a certain goal. This is called an Open Source Community. So rom B comes in and uses A as a base. This is great, because I've found that when this occurs, bugs get squashed much quicker. No matter the skills of the user/developer, they have the ability to find some of the smallest issues that cause the biggest bugs. Even if rom B only has little things like the wifi scan interval changed, or added/subtracted APK's. The only thing necessary here, is a little bit of credit and submitting/notifying the original author of bug fixes and/or enhancements. When this occurs, there is no "he did this" "he got this working first" bull. I could go on forever on proper etiquette, but that's not my point. Let's let everyone do their thing, and if there is a real issue that needs to be addressed, handle it in a classy manner.
Thanks for your time, and i apologize in advance to moderators if this thread gets out of hand, feel free to remove it.
Well said, now if people will only start holding back their words.
Sounds good. Credit where credit is due. No one develops completely on their own (for the most part). Even the CM branch is a "team". When knowledgeable people work together (and acknowledge the source of their work) we all win, and the builds get better.
This model benefits all.
I know, as the user of a now ancient device, I would love to see development NOT come to a halt, or be pushed off to the unfindable fringes.
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I'm very grateful for all the people out there who put their time and effort into making my device better and enjoyable....essentially saving me money....and ask for very little in return. I believe Google has set and shown the example that when people share ideas and work....a product can improve and evolve much faster. Thanks to everybody out there who participates and believes in these principles, and I look forward to your future endeavours.
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Well said, Drew! Awesome
Yup Yup. Btw I agree with what you said in the other thread about not completely agreeing with the xda rule in regards to having to gain permission to use peoples work. Only thing that should be req is proper notation in the OP that its being used and that's it. Imho.
It gets real sad around here when people fight over work and even more so when they do so in public channels. Happened in the 3D section awhile ago and was redic.
If you did something and you don't see credit in an OP for it It's simple, PM the user to discuss it and if that doesn't work PM a mod to help mediate the dispute. NEVER should it be discussed in public threads!
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Well written Mr Drew. I wouldn't worry about those who mess things for everyone else, they surely have nothing better to do.
Keep up the solid work.
Thanks.
That was perfect. Not only are you a tremendous developer, but a very wise person as well. Thank you for taking the time out to write this up. And thank you and everyone else for sharing your/their knowledge.
It would be really nice if there was a list where everything that's gotten done/fixed giving credit to that particular person. Or perhaps when you work off of someone else's work, you bring all of the credits with you. That way as it moves along the credits will stay with that particular version of rom.
By the way, preview7 is running great.
Thanks again,
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Let's not forget about donating to the devs of which you use their hard work. Yes this stuff is free, but hours and hours go into the smallest things sometimes. Even if everyone donated 1 dollar to the dev(s)of the Rom or whatever you use, you're still making a difference. Let's show each other some respect here. Not just to other devs, but to other users also
I wrote this in the other thread but it applies here too. A huge thanks to all who are truly interested in moving forward and improving the Evo experience. And +1 on donating to the devs, all of the devs.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22234151&postcount=45
Good post drewizzle
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Good post drewizzle
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+1 well stated
Well, everyone should just place nice in the sand box, end of story. Development will get back on it's steady crawl.