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Okay so I know we haven't even gotten gingerbread yet but I was just wondering if the n1 would have the hardware specs for honeycomb. Thoughts anyone?
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skunz35 said:
Okay so I know we haven't even gotten gingerbread yet but I was just wondering if the n1 would have the hardware specs for honeycomb. Thoughts anyone?
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No it doesn't.
Actually, who the hell would know? But if the Nexus One has a debilitating bottle neck, it's the GPU. When the original Droid from 2009 beats you, you got a problem. If Honeycomb finally brings GPU acceleration (that's if 2.3 doesn't) along with a ton of intense UI stuff, the Nexus One might lag behind.

I hate to read that I hoped my n1 would never turn into one of those old dusty android phones that falls behind on updates
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Since we don't even know the spec requirements for Gingerbread are, how would anyone know what Honeycomb requires?

I thought we knew a little bit about it, especially after all these rumors about it running on the n1 already
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Of course it does. What do you think Google is testing it on? You know the Nexus One is their development phone, right?

mortzz said:
Of course it does. What do you think Google is testing it on? You know the Nexus One is their development phone, right?
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They are testing 2.3 on the Nexus One (and of course the Nexus S). Honeycomb seems to be a tablet OS, but even if it isn't, what makes you believe that they aren't focusing on their new in house phone, the Nexus S?

We'll skip honeycomb and go straight to icecream

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They are testing 2.3 on the Nexus One (and of course the Nexus S). Honeycomb seems to be a tablet OS, but even if it isn't, what makes you believe that they aren't focusing on their new in house phone, the Nexus S?
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Development for Honeycomb existed before the Nexus S.

First thing guys, Nexus One will get honeycomb, no the gpu isnt ****ty its way better than the droid 2009, Nexus One scores better on 3d. Yes Nexus one has the specs for honeycomb, IMO even G1 will get gingerbread and might get honeycomb as we already have the drivers for it working on the 2.6.35 kernel. Nexus One will be supported beyond honeycomb as 1ghz processor is not ****ty in a smartphone. Even with the upcoming of the dual core processor, single core 1 ghz will not be obsolete. About the gpu, the drivers are improving day by day and it supports open gl 2.0 and its time since open gl 3.0 lands on mobile devices. Until 3.0 stuff starts appearing Nexus One will continue to be a good phone. It will become a G1 the day open gl 3.0 starts appearing and along with it all other devices g2 etc will become a overclocked g1. Nexus S might not be the new dev phone, u have no confirmations, it might be like the HTC magic, the flagship phone for 1.5 or Droid the flagship phone for 2.0. Look at the facts and understand wats in there before caring for such stuff, will honecomb come, will icecream or whatever come. If its in the AOSP it will sure boot on ur Nexus and will boot on ur G1 and i suspect it might slow down on the G1 etc after gingerbread

charnsingh_online said:
First thing guys, Nexus One will get honeycomb, no the gpu isnt ****ty its way better than the droid 2009, Nexus One scores better on 3d. Yes Nexus one has the specs for honeycomb, IMO even G1 will get gingerbread and might get honeycomb as we already have the drivers for it working on the 2.6.35 kernel. Nexus One will be supported beyond honeycomb as 1ghz processor is not ****ty in a smartphone. Even with the upcoming of the dual core processor, single core 1 ghz will not be obsolete. About the gpu, the drivers are improving day by day and it supports open gl 2.0 and its time since open gl 3.0 lands on mobile devices. Until 3.0 stuff starts appearing Nexus One will continue to be a good phone. It will become a G1 the day open gl 3.0 starts appearing and along with it all other devices g2 etc will become a overclocked g1. Nexus S might not be the new dev phone, u have no confirmations, it might be like the HTC magic, the flagship phone for 1.5 or Droid the flagship phone for 2.0. Look at the facts and understand wats in there before caring for such stuff, will honecomb come, will icecream or whatever come. If its in the AOSP it will sure boot on ur Nexus and will boot on ur G1 and i suspect it might slow down on the G1 etc after gingerbread
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YEAH! what he said
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Honeycomb requires a core i7 5ghz processor 6gb ddr4 ram ..... I heard about this from my friend that works at google.... weird thing about him is that he says that he wants honeycomb all the time....
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So now that Gingerbread has been released on a phone....
What say you about :
1) The Nexus S phone with Gingerbread
2) Honeycomb and the Nexus One

going_home said:
So now that Gingerbread has been released on a phone....
What say you about :
1) The Nexus S phone with Gingerbread
2) Honeycomb and the Nexus One
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1. I thinks its obvious that development has now shifted to the Nexus S.
2. We've now seen some glimpses of honeycomb and it looks to be the release with the UI overhaul - even stated by Andy Rubin at dive into mobile. The smooth orientation change animation also makes me believe that Honeycomb finally brings full HW acceleration. Nothing is known for sure but considering the shift in attention, the very weak GPU and HW acceleration, Honeycomb is not a absolute given.
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Award Tour said:
1. I thinks its obvious that development has now shifted to the Nexus S.
2. We've now seen some glimpses of honeycomb and it looks to be the release with the UI overhaul - even stated by Andy Rubin at dive into mobile. The smooth orientation change animation also makes me believe that Honeycomb finally brings full HW acceleration. Nothing is known for sure but considering the shift in attention, the very weak GPU and HW acceleration, Honeycomb is not a absolute given.
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The GPU is more than powerful enough to display a few triangles on the screen for the UI. The only time you will see the GPU dragging down the phone would be full 3D environments like games.

Clarkster said:
The GPU is more than powerful enough to display a few triangles on the screen for the UI. The only time you will see the GPU dragging down the phone would be full 3D environments like games.
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Some quick things I noticed between the Nexus One/EVO (have both now and are similar) and Nexus S.
1. The 3D view in maps is much smoother in the Nexus S. The Adreno 200 can still perform admirably(~20-30 FPS) but when you compare it to a more capable GPU you realize that it can not perform at 100% (~60 FPS) and is already struggling.
2. Pretty much any live wallpapers will lag up the home screen, some more than others. This isn't the case with the newer GPUs.
3. The same thing that happens with the 3D view in maps happens in the 3D gallery. It runs okay (20-30 FPS) but when you compare it to a newer phone like the Nexus S it runs so much more smoother (~60 FPS). Even worse I experience severe choppiness (~10FPS) when there's a lot of photos and I do something simple like popping up a menu or a info modal. This point is especially important since everything I read references the 3D gallery app as a HW accelerated app.
I could very well be proven wrong by Google; I'm just point out some observations I made.

Award Tour said:
Some quick things I noticed between the Nexus One/EVO (have both now and are similar) and Nexus S.
1. The 3D view in maps is much smoother in the Nexus S. The Adreno 200 can still perform admirably(~20-30 FPS) but when you compare it to a more capable GPU you realize that it can not perform at 100% (~60 FPS) and is already struggling.
2. Pretty much any live wallpapers will lag up the home screen, some more than others. This isn't the case with the newer GPUs.
3. The same thing that happens with the 3D view in maps happens in the 3D gallery. It runs okay (20-30 FPS) but when you compare it to a newer phone like the Nexus S it runs so much more smoother (~60 FPS). Even worse I experience severe choppiness (~10FPS) when there's a lot of photos and I do something simple like popping up a menu or a info modal. This point is especially important since everything I read references the 3D gallery app as a HW accelerated app.
I could very well be proven wrong by Google; I'm just point out some observations I made.
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Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Everything you mention are full 3D apps that would tax the GPU a lot more than simple hardware acceleration for the 2D Android interface.
So if they rewrote everything in the style of the Gallery, it would be a problem, if they just used the GPU to accelerate the 2D interface elements such as transitions, the scrolling, or the web browser it should be perfectly fine.

Xoom benchmarked against ipad2..

Doesn't look like the xoom did too well..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/apple-ipad-2-gpu-performance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked

harajuka said:
Doesn't look like the xoom did too well..
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4216/apple-ipad-2-gpu-performance-explored-powervr-sgx543mp2-benchmarked
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To be fair, the Xoom has a higher resolution screen, so these tests are slightly more taxing on it.
However, even if the resolution was the same, the iPad 2 would still come ahead. So, the point still stands.

So what was the problem?
Is honeycomb not properly optimized for gl?
Is A5 that much better at 3d than terga?

jacksmind said:
So what was the problem?
Is honeycomb not properly optimized for gl?
Is A5 that much better at 3d than terga?
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A bit of both, but it's too early to tell.

That was my first thought, is this a product of nvidia's drivers or out classed hardware. Have a feeling its drivers.
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Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?

atoy74 said:
That was my first thought, is this a product of nvidia's drivers or out classed hardware. Have a feeling its drivers.
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I thought about this after posting too. The Tegra 2's GPU drivers are probably not up to snuff... yet.

Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...

Eclair~ said:
Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...
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To be fair, performance is pretty good on the Xoom from everything I read. Its not like one device completely outclasses the other one. It is a little annoying that the GPU in the iPad is just a better one than the Tegra 2, but what ya gonna do?

so get an ipad. The performance on the Xoom should be good enough for 99% of the people who bought it.

Hmm, I guess you're probably right. Performance doesn't seem to be a complaint, and I'm complaining about something I never do anyways (playing games on my mobile devices).

Eclair~ said:
Are we in denial, or do we actually know what we're talking about here?
Unless you simply just have to have Android it is becoming incredibly difficult to justify purchasing a Xoom over an iPad 2. I myself love customization, openess, and so forth... but without proper performance...
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Even if the Xoom was out performed (in a meaning full way)... even if it was VASTLY out performed by the I pad... I'd still have the xoom. Its the first viable non-apple tablet (IMO) and that's all I've been waiting for.
Truth be told, I'd rather have something jammed in my pee hole than give a single additional dollar to Apple. If they have their way, the future of technology as a whole will be changed for the considerable worse. Not now, at a time where they are simply one of the driving forces in the evolution of tech, but their vision of a world where Steve Jobs controls our computing destiny is one that I'd rather not see.
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mobilehavoc said:
Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?
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This is just kinda funny. The Xoom is all about better specs etc. etc. than the iPad, then when the iPad wins a GPU benchmark, the Xoom people just say 'who cares about games'...
Sure the Xoom will get faster with updates and drivers (like you said, Froyo bumped performance), and there will be another set of benchmarks when that happens, but right now these results are pretty definitive...
Gotta love the strict line in the sand between the Apple and Android people.

I wonder when will Android receive decent games anyways. Half of the games are quite pathetic, while there are a few that are at least decent... Fruit Ninja and Angry Birds become repetitive pretty quickly.
Android games are time-killers. They don't hold your attention or immerse you enough to play them for more than a few minutes.

Hmm, outperformed by a huge margin. Thats bad for Xoom and Honeycomb
I think the Galaxy 10.1 would perform the same, with pretty similar hardware Tegra 2

I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.

mobilehavoc said:
Who cares? I play games on my laptop or console. These are gpu benchmarks not overall performance. I have an ipad and the games get played once in a blue moon. The overall experience on Xoom is much better. Also this is the first release of android on tegra 2. It'll get better, remember the performance jump with Froyo?
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I love people who THINK I'm so tired of all these comparisons and biased reviews and experiences. Remember how much Android has grown as an OS and then look to iOS and its growth/change. Yeah... none. We all chose the Xoom for a reason... we want change.
Don't worry little birds... we'll get changes! This thing is like wine... gets better with age! Although sub out years and replace with weeks

Everyone relax, the GL Benchmark app looks like it wasn't updated for Honeycomb or the Nvidia OpenGL extensions. I'm not even sure if it runs native or runs in a Java VM.
I posted this at android central where it's getting all fan boy crazy:
Well, here goes a few things I noticed off the bat.
I grabbed the GL benchmark app, and here a few indicators that it needs to be re-worked for the Xoom:
The Xoom has 27 native Open GL extensions (MOTODEV > Products > XOOM™ MZ600)
the GL Benchmark app only found 21 (GLBenchmark Result Details of Motorola Xoom)
So off the bat with the app not using all available OpenGL extensions for honeycomb or for the Nvidia platform I'd say that it's "off."
Secondly, the app even incorrectly reads the screen size at 1280 x 752.
So right now I say these needs to be updated before I got too crazy with the results.
I didn't do a cross reference of the utilized libs over the ones "left on the table" but if I get a few minutes I will.
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I'm not saying the ipad2 is better or worse, all I'm saying is the benchmark app isn't reading the info right on the Xoom.

muyoso said:
I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.
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i'm a bit disappointed with NVIDIA for sure. They were hyping Tegra 2 all last year, leaking slides of the performance and what not, and it cannot do basic tasks like playing 720p playback without stutter. i was even thinking of buying NVIDIA stock too lol.
to be fair, i think we all need to wait it out a bit, and see what software changes are made to alleviate these issues. this doesn't mean the end of android tablets, far from it. i guess we could wait it out for a non-tegra 2 dual core tablet in the 2nd half of 2011 (qualcomm's 2nd gen snapdragon processor, samsung's orion processor, TI OMAP, etc).
what i love about honeycomb is that it isn't hardware specific, so we'll have plenty of choices by the end of the year.

That's true. And don't forget the higher price point of the Xoom. That's make it even harder to justify the purchase againt iPad 2.
And now this benchmark, the Xoom is simply out-classed.
Of course, for Android fans, the Xoom might be the best option for them.
Probably it is good to skip 2011 and wait the next new hardware? Like the Tegra 3 Quad Core? Well, probably it will still be out-classed by the next iPad 3? Yeah, if we follow this kind of thing, there will be NO END!
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I gotta say that this is surprising. I was excited about the Xoom and Android tablets because of the screen at first, due to the higher resolution and change in aspect ratio to better fit videos. Then it is revealed that the screen is a lower quality panel and the Tegra 2 is incapable of high profile h.264. Then I was at least excited because the Nvidia SoC was still pretty awesome for games and the like. Then it gets completely outclassed within 2 weeks of launch by the iPad2. WTH. I mean this is ridiculous. There is less of a gap between my single core phones performance and the Tegra 2 than there is between the Tegra 2 and the A5 in the iPad2. And the A5 is only a 900mhz dual core. I would be embarrassed if I was Nvidia right now.
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Your thoughts on the unsmooth graphics?

Why is the GUI interface and overall graphics on the Atrix so unsmooth? I'm assuming the cause is the large resolution, and maybe a crappy LCD screen? I'm thinking its more the LCD screen. Since my iPhone 4 has a resolution close to if not the same as the Atrix, and has a PowerVR GPU one model lower than my Samsung Captivate, and its 10x smother than my Atrix. Just don't understand why you would build a phone with so much power and screw it up with an under par LCD screen. What are your thoughts?
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I believe it's because atrix lacks proper software optimizations which motorola is too lazy to provide.

Meh.... If you look at quadrant advance - lets assume its accurate and not argue for a sec
The tegra 2 doesnt have the greatest 2D performance - in fact quite low...

...what are you talking about? I've never seen any unsmoothness on my Atrix, except in the Gallery app when zooming in on high res photos. Everywhere else, its far smoother than my 3rd gen iPod touch, which itself was no slouch.
That said, I use launcher pro instead of Motoblur, so maybe that has something to do with it.

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...what are you talking about? I've never seen any unsmoothness on my Atrix, except in the Gallery app when zooming in on high res photos. Everywhere else, its far smoother than my 3rd gen iPod touch, which itself was no slouch.
That said, I use launcher pro instead of Motoblur, so maybe that has something to do with it.
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I noticed choppyness with live wallpapers. Also, when i first open the keyboard to type, the first couple of letters don't register so i have to retype that all again.

I think... WHYWHYWHYWHYWHY?!
I mean single core phones run smoother wtf =/
the lwp lag really gets me =/

Motoblur...

Froyo doesn't have gpu acceleration for the ui, or so I've been told. It's far worse on other phones. When gingerbread comes out you'll see a significant difference.
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Meets34 said:
Motoblur...
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Motoblows...

amwbt said:
Why is the GUI interface and overall graphics on the Atrix so unsmooth? I'm assuming the cause is the large resolution, and maybe a crappy LCD screen? I'm thinking its more the LCD screen. Since my iPhone 4 has a resolution close to if not the same as the Atrix, and has a PowerVR GPU one model lower than my Samsung Captivate, and its 10x smother than my Atrix. Just don't understand why you would build a phone with so much power and screw it up with an under par LCD screen. What are your thoughts?
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I'm coming from Windows Mobile, so everything on Atrix looks smooth to me
But seriously, I think it may be a combination of the GUI not being hardware accelerated and whatever software/widgets you've got running in the background.
It's definitely not butter smooth, but it isn't that bad either.

Use a third party launcher, and freeze out the Motoblur stuff. I was also really disappointed when I first saw general navigation around the GUI and saw how choppy it was. Try Launcher Pro, or Go Launcher Ex and get rid of all the preinstalled crapware. It makes all the difference and you'll be much happier with performance.

Android 2.3 and below do not have any hardware acceleration. Your iPhone has tons of hardware acceleration to make it feel faster (when it's not)
My Atrix feels fast.

I'm also coming from a Samsung Captivate which is crap tons smoother. Its not cause of the launcher, nor the lack of hardware acceleration in froyo. It does it with all the launchers. I'm probably just spoiled with my Captivate.
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live wallpaper lag.. really annoys me but then it reminds me how much battery I waste with it enabled and it makes me turn it off again ASAP

Its because the Tegra 2 sucks at everything but playing douchy Tegra Zone games. In other words your SOC was built by a graphics company. So 3d rendering is great but 2d and everything else sucks. Great GPU, very sad and not optimized CPU. I doubt gingerbread will help that much. Sorry guys
Edit: I'm no fanboy but my thunderbolt runs buttery smooth at everything and I run multi pic live wallpaper with 7, count it 7 different wallpapers and the 3d cube transition effect. This is with sense and at least one widget on every screen, most have two.
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wtf?? do you know ehat you are talking? Do you see xoom or Lg optimus x2, they also have tegra 2 and they all have smoth graphics.....motorola atrix have problemes....not tegra 2

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Its because the Tegra 2 sucks at everything but playing douchy Tegra Zone games. In other words your SOC was built by a graphics company. So 3d rendering is great but 2d and everything else sucks. Great GPU, very sad and not optimized CPU. I doubt gingerbread will help that much. Sorry guys
Edit: I'm no fanboy but my thunderbolt runs buttery smooth at everything and I run multi pic live wallpaper with 7, count it 7 different wallpapers and the 3d cube transition effect. This is with sense and at least one widget on every screen, most have two.
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The thunderturd is an evo with lipstick.

The graphics are not even potentially shown...
Tegra 2 uses a different processing post. Therefor showing a weaker performance on 3D and 2D processing...
Just chill and relax. Enjoy the phone a bit more. Don't expect it to make you breakfast either.

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The thunderturd is an evo with lipstick.
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Lmao!
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Its funny yall start dissing on the thunderbolt when I didn't bash the Atrix at all. Everything I said was aimed at the Tegra 2. Then I gave an example of a single core phone that runs way smoother than the Tegra 2 and most likely why that is. I just posted an explanation referring to the topic of this thread. Honeycomb uses some better hardware acceleration so the Tegra does do better on HC but it won't come close to the TI, snapdragon, or hummingbird dual core processors.
But clearly I'm talking to some serious fanboys here so there is no point in trying to state facts.
Edit: As far as the evo with lipstick comment goes I dont see what sense that makes considering the thunderbolt has more RAM and the msm8655 which is a huge leap in speed and efficiency from the processor in the evo.
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[Q] Atrix or Nexus S or wait for galaxy s2?

Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.

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Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.

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Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol

Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.

Thewalrus0034 said:
Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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RogerPodacter said:
I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.

I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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wintermute000 said:
If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.

Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me

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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)

I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.

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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
@OP
The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it

I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?

Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.

If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.

How good is CM9 on the Artix?

In conclusion: Amazing. The work Turl, Jokersax, etc have done here is amazing.
Why do I say this? I just got a One X. And it feels slower than my Atrix
Thanks guys, and I hope it will go on being appreciated by my girlfriend (if I can pry her away from the world of physical keyboards - can't keep using a Desire Z forever!)
Some work to be done here, methinks. Plus, I used to think Sense made Android better. Since Google gave us ICS, it feels like an abomination

Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.

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Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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The Krait CPU in the dual core version is actually super competitive with the Tegra3 quad core version, so if it is slower than the Atrix, more power to the developers!

ripin150 said:
Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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I think you something...

Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though

Azurael said:
Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though
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That's so weird to hear that the quad isn't as fast. I know we don't need quad cores at all, its stupid and only for wow factor, but its still weird to hear that. Once more developers get on into the One X though, its going to be sick. A lot of devs are leaving the Desire HD to get the One X.
What is the One X overclock-able to?
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i wonder if a de-sensed ROM on the oneX would be smoother?

I wouldn't be surprised if next gen smartphones have a core i7 3960X and 24GB of ram.

Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.

The HTC One X comes with Sense 4 so it already has ICS.
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Jotokun said:
Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
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Sure are. To be honest, I was perfectly happy with my Atrix. With CM9, it's perfect - incredibly fast, stable and great battery life (at least as far as Android phones go ). The only reason I upgraded was because I came to the end of my contract, and as I have to keep paying the amount I am for the internet coverage anyway, I figured why not renew for another 2 years and grab a new toy with no up-front cost.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
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Actually, the Atrix PenTile LCD (RGBW) annoyed me far less than the AMOLED (RGBG) on the Desire I had previously - at least with the Atrix arrangement, black on white/white on black are rendered at full resolution, so most text is very sharp, whereas everything but green renders at 1/4 res on the non-super AMOLED!
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.
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Yeah, I think I should be on to a safe bet, the Desire development community is massive, which I always appreciated when I had one And I guess the One X is 2012's Desire... I'm (rather impatiently) looking forward to S-Off, AOSP/CM9 and custom kernels though.
I just need to get used to this size tax that all Android device manufacturers seem to be applying to their high-end phones these days 'Want a powerful phone? Sorry, it's got to be unfathomably gigantic' [it's not the bulk - the One X is lighter and thinner than the Atrix... What really irks me that I can't reach the top corners of the screen whilst holding the phone securely in one hand walking down the road or whatever. But maybe that's just me....]

So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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gitman0 said:
So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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I don't think video recording works, plus the browser tends to crash if you rotate from portrait to landscape. I now just turn the phone before starting the browser as a matter of habit Hardware video playback/encoding acceleration doesn't yet work, so most flash video at high bitrates is choppy at best, though Youtube works fine, as does local video (the files I tried, anyway). As always for CM roms, Moto webtop doesn't work, although there is a tablet-view based alternative that I think is currently working - it appears this is the route Motorola are going for in their own ICS ROMs anyway, so it will probably be the case for the Atrix too upon release. I don't really know as I've never used it.
But aside from that: yes, it's amazing. Far faster than any Froyo or Gingerbread release I tried in feel. The browser is much faster both in terms of page rendering and scrolling/zooming smoothness. Even complex AJAX web pages scroll and interact smoothly. With Chrome Beta, it's even better! Scrolling and transitions in general are much smoother thanks to the hardware accelerated GUI. To me, the Atrix feels like a whole new phone with ICS. Oh, and I forgot: The battery life is much better with my usage too - I rarely see below about 60% when returning from work these days where as back when I was running CM7, it would often be closer to 30%...

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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.

yeahmann said:
This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.
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I've used phones with OEM firmware with more bugs
What's up with the camera? I have zero issues with stills... Although the Atrix's camera is so terrible it's not really worth using anyway! (I'm sure the camera on my old Desire was a lot better? As is, obviously, the One X - though even that doesn't compete with the cheapest 'real' camera...)
Personally, I found that despite the bugs, going back to <ICS feels like being in the stone age Scrolling, zooming and the render time for complex pages in the browser is so bad on GB I actually hated browsing the web on it before the (very buggy) early test builds of CM9 came along. You can't even use Chrome on previous versions, so why does that matter? The stock browser is infinitely better on ICS than GB...
All the work these guys have put in to bring us ICS, IMO is incredible. Maybe it's not ready for 'prime time' but I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy (although maybe in different ways) and probably a hell of a lot slower if previous AOSP/CM vs. Moto ROM rules apply... Having said that, the correct + working video drivers from the Moto release when they drop will likely fix everything that's wrong with CM9 on the Atrix at the moment.

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I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy
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thats just not realistic...
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What don't work on CM9 Roms?

gitman0 said:
thats just not realistic...
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Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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Alcapone263 said:
Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it? i'm sorry, but that is just a brash generalization possibly rooted in some sort of loathsomeness for not having an official ICS release already.

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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it?
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Unfortunately, many Android lovers tend to believe community devs can do no wrong and corporate devs are slow and retarded.
If so, then why is dev work SO much better when source code, drivers, and official builds are released?
CM9 will be absolutely beyond amazing once official Atrix ICS is out and drivers/source is out.