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Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
wait for ces they should have more phones coming right after that
Hmm...if I was that unhappy,i sure wouldn't still be with sprint/evo..
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Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
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and what phone out there besides what t-mo has is better the droid x is the same way as the evo camera sticks out the back
Stop Complaning!!
Well get the hell out of sprint then.. what the hell are you still doing in sprint? evo is frkn awesome.. mine doesnt lagg.. its the way u take care of it.. mine is full of apps all over.. and it still doesnt lag! learn how to us ur phone first
drummer2780 said:
Well get the hell out of sprint then.. what the hell are you still doing in sprint? u deep****! evo is frkn awesome.. mine doesnt lagg.. its the way u take care of it.. mine is full of apps all over.. and it still doesnt lag! learn how to us ur phone first
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Oh right I forgot everyone elses phones lag even the ones at Sprint store even the ones one youtube videos EXCEPT yours. Good to know. Also I like your post count, cutie.
have to admit t-mobile has been banging out the sweet phones !
werxen = sprint whiner
Cutie.. thanks.. u sound gay! lol.. its true.. and u still complaning just quit sprint already then.. damn!
I like sprint and I like my evo. 2008 tech? Did they have 1 ghz snapdragons in 2008?
Mitchell's EVO
My evo doesn't lag and I get superb battery life. I also have people always getting all googly eyed over it. I also believe gingerbread will really amp up the evo even more and should solve all your lag problems that may exist.
mitchellvii said:
I like sprint and I like my evo. 2008 tech? Did they have 1 ghz snapdragons in 2008?
Mitchell's EVO
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Huh? Now that I think about it... nope!
i likes my phone
werxen said:
Okay... the phone lineup for Sprint has been getting really ridiculous. Tmobile has been getting amazing phones. Verizon has been getting amazing phones. ATT has been getting amazing phones.
Sprint? Another friggin Evo with a hardware keyboard? COME. ON.
I think I'm bailing soon. The Evo was cool at first but has already showed its 2008 age hardware to be slowing down. I cant stand the lag on a 2010 phone. The GPU sucks making all future gpu acceleration useless and games run like ballsack on it already. The screen is nice but does not makeup for its flaws. The camera is sticking out like a giant ass that can't be blocked.
*sigh*
Sprint just needs more phones to choose from....
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Believe me sir, every phone out right now have a flaw in it. I went from N1, to blackberry (bbm reasons), epic 4g, optimus one, and now the evo. And i can make this assertion "your phone is what you make of it". I treat my phone like my desktop computer, install only what i use, constantly clearing cache every two weeks etc. Now unfortunately for me i have the newer hardware so i cannot take advantage of the custom kernel, but my phone is buttery smooth. I use titanium back-up to remove all the unwanted files, installed Go Launcher (love this launcher) and Go SMS. The only thing i can say is, LG got it right, my Lg optimus seriously never drops below 175mb ram no matter what i throw at it, i'm assuming this is why it's so smooth also. I think it's more software side than hardware, i'm sure when Gingerbread comes out and all hardware supported, plus stable, you won't be hating your evo so much.
Let me get this out there.
The Evo has some old hardware and some new.
The phone SUCKS if you don't root it and put some good ROMs on it.
I'm on Myn's and the phone is fast enough for me. It has also become really sexy cause Myn's dark theme is the best I've seen on a phone. Hero's Baked Kernel 6 is giving me crazy battery life as well.
The things I don't like....
- Screen Quality : Man this thing looks like crap compared to Galaxy S or Droid X... 16-bit and colors aren't strong.
- Camera Quality : Yeah we have an 8mp camera, but HTC's crappy software makes it worse than it really is. Some 5mp shooters do better. Luckily custom Roms can fix this.
- GPU : Pissed me off when I realized the Snapdragon Processor comes with 2008-like GPU. Adreno 200 is capable of quite a bit, but again, HTC doesn't release the drivers for anything. The GPU can be coded for and if games are optimized enough, it'll run well. But developers don't care. Luckily, Gingerbread increases graphical performance by quite a bit.
And that's about it right now.
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Believe me sir, every phone out right now have a flaw in it. I went from N1, to blackberry (bbm reasons), epic 4g, optimus one, and now the evo. And i can make this assertion "your phone is what you make of it". I treat my phone like my desktop computer, install only what i use, constantly clearing cache every two weeks etc. Now unfortunately for me i have the newer hardware so i cannot take advantage of the custom kernel, but my phone is buttery smooth. I use titanium back-up to remove all the unwanted files, installed Go Launcher (love this launcher) and Go SMS. The only thing i can say is, LG got it right, my Lg optimus seriously never drops below 175mb ram no matter what i throw at it, i'm assuming this is why it's so smooth also. I think it's more software side than hardware, i'm sure when Gingerbread comes out and all hardware supported, plus stable, you won't be hating your evo so much.
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The Optimus One line is actually pretty impressive for a sometimes free low end phone. It has the same amount of RAM as the EVO and the same GPU as the EVO but runs at almost half the resolution. This results to some pretty impressive performance. Stuff like the 3D gallery app and 3D maps in Google Maps runs much smoother than on the EVO. The only thing holding it back is the CPU (600 MHz ARMv6 vs. 1 GHz A8) but even then the design of the chip is not that different than that of the Snapdragon (Modem/FPU co-processor).
The EVO for the most part is pretty good, and probably still one of the best featured phones out even 6 months later. Nothing on it really stands out as best in it's class but it's okay, the only issue is the GPU - it sucks. You can't run LWs and still be at 55 FPS (most of the time it drops to under 30), some games run pretty awful, and some apps don't run as smooth. Everything runs but when you have a newer phone right next to it you can really feel the difference. And the benchmarks speak for themselves, the SGS/NS is 4x better and the Droids are 2x better. That's just the way it is.
The new EVO Shift is not just another EVO though. It's a Desire Z with WiMax and a EVO looking front. It still has the newer 45nm 800 MHz Qualcomm CPU that beats out the EVO by a little and the newer Adreno 205 GPU that is about 3-4x better. It's a ugly looking phone and a little late but performance wise it's still on par with any phone released today.
@ Award Tour : Yep... Droid 1/ Droid 2/ Droid X (and the new droids like Droid Pro) all do 2x better than the Evo. That is enough. It doesn't even need to outdo the Galaxy S phones because it really doesn't matter at that point. All other games run fine mostly because those games are coded for Iphone first generally, with similar GPU.
And Evo Shift has better GPU so it's an okay upgrade cause that's the only thing I really care about.
Cause really, everything else is software. And custom Roms do the job.
And I like HTC phones because they upgrade fairly quickly compared to other companies and release decent phones with GREAT development backing.
But then again I also hate them because they latch onto old hardware sometimes (Qualcomm... thanks) and don't optimize their current software sometimes.
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Let me get this out there.
The Evo has some old hardware and some new.
The phone SUCKS if you don't root it and put some good ROMs on it.
I'm on Myn's and the phone is fast enough for me. It has also become really sexy cause Myn's dark theme is the best I've seen on a phone. Hero's Baked Kernel 6 is giving me crazy battery life as well.
The things I don't like....
- Screen Quality : Man this thing looks like crap compared to Galaxy S or Droid X... 16-bit and colors aren't strong.
- Camera Quality : Yeah we have an 8mp camera, but HTC's crappy software makes it worse than it really is. Some 5mp shooters do better. Luckily custom Roms can fix this.
- GPU : Pissed me off when I realized the Snapdragon Processor comes with 2008-like GPU. Adreno 200 is capable of quite a bit, but again, HTC doesn't release the drivers for anything. The GPU can be coded for and if games are optimized enough, it'll run well. But developers don't care. Luckily, Gingerbread increases graphical performance by quite a bit.
And that's about it right now.
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The Adreno 200 GPU as it is now (both from a hardware and software perspective) sucks. I don't ever expect it to perform as well as the newer stuff (it just doesn't have the specs) but there's still hope for better performance. It seems that the drivers were ultra buggy (from CM work on 2.3) and if you replace the Adreno 200 drivers with the newer Adreno 205 drivers, 2D performance increases by like 100% but unfortunately it completely breaks 3D rendering.
Maybe with the upcoming Google provided 2.3 Adreno 200 drivers (which I got to assume fixes those bug CM ran into) plus the core graphic performance in 2.3 we may see some new life in this GPU. At least I hope so.
Meanwhile Apple is kicking ass in the hardware department. I just don't friggin understand this... Is it so hard to make top tier phones with GOOD hardware? It seems like the only one is the Nexus S right now and its made by crappy Samsung and their cheap plastic. Not to be a fanboy for any side but when put into perspective if the iPhone was on Sprint I would switch today. Android really needs to get their act together and start making the user experience perfect.
I use my generation 1 ipod touch and it does not lag a single bit in anything but my Evo lags in everything it does. Really shows how much software needs to be optimized instead of releasing bullcrap versions of Android every 3 months.
I mean CMON is anyone else frustrated at this? We all pay a lot of money for a SMART phone but it seems like they come to us from the manufacturer as stupid phones and we have to make them smart by taking out all the stupid crap and optimizing it ourself. Why do we even pay for the phone? Should be free.
rumor has it a really great superphone running webos 2.0 may come to sprint by june. myself im leaving for at&t or tmobile and going to try out a wp7 device.
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Meanwhile Apple is kicking ass in the hardware department. I just don't friggin understand this... Is it so hard to make top tier phones with GOOD hardware? It seems like the only one is the Nexus S right now and its made by crappy Samsung and their cheap plastic. Not to be a fanboy for any side but when put into perspective if the iPhone was on Sprint I would switch today. Android really needs to get their act together and start making the user experience perfect.
I use my generation 1 ipod touch and it does not lag a single bit in anything but my Evo lags in everything it does. Really shows how much software needs to be optimized instead of releasing bullcrap versions of Android every 3 months.
I mean CMON is anyone else frustrated at this? We all pay a lot of money for a SMART phone but it seems like they come to us from the manufacturer as stupid phones and we have to make them smart by taking out all the stupid crap and optimizing it ourself. Why do we even pay for the phone? Should be free.
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I own a iPhone 4, and I'm not going to lie, it runs and performs perfectly but that's expected when you only have to optimize the software for a few devices. But it's not the best hardware available either. The SGS was released around the same time and had a GPU that was twice as fast, the cameras were just about as good and sometimes better. The Droid X at around that time had the same exact GPU, and now the newer HTC phones (Desire HD, Z, MT4G, G2) all have GPUs that are twice as fast as well. The CPU in the iPhone 4 was a 800 MHz Cortex A8, and every high end Android around that time had the same Cortex A8 but clocked at 1 GHz (and now more) so it was never the fastest; I also wouldn't be surprised if the Snapdragon chip design beats Apple's A4 head to head when both clocked at 1 GHz.
TBH, most of the blame for performance lies directly with Android. It's just not that fast performance wise. The iPhone 4 is down clocked CPU wise, has a "mid level high end" mobile GPU (PowerVR SGX 535), and runs at a higher resolutions but still runs circles around the Nexus S. Hell, for a even strong example look at WP7. It uses the same crap Adreno 200 as the first gen Snapdragon (what the EVO has) and runs waaaaaaaayyyyyy smoother.
Every day new smartphones come out. Faster phones. Better phones. Slicker phones. Especially since Google introduced Android, the smartphone market has got a big boost. Before you know it, your o so special phone isn't so special anymore. You are getting more and more jealous, and then you can't resist anymore. After using phone 1.0 for half a year, you decide to buy phone 2.0, which is faster, better and slicker.
This is probably a recognizable story for some people. Still having the same phone after two years is not done. Besides, getting jealous is inevitable. The trick as a manufacturer is to create a smartphone that is special enough to last even if there are other phones that are faster, better and slicker. Inventing such feature is very hard. If you bring a phone on the market with a dual-core processor today, you can't expect it to be special after a year.
Remaining special is a very common problem for smartphones. You can't prevent phones from getting more advanced technology, but you can try to delay the 'aging' for as long as possible. People will always be complaining though. And within this forum, I've seen this attitude more than ever. For the Nexus S, the 'aging' seems to begin even before the phone is for sale. A 1Ghz processor isn't very special when dual-core's are lurking around the corner. Therefore, the most common question on this forum is 'which phone is better, the Nexus S or ...?' The snag is to buy a smartphone that will last as long as possible. This topic is about the question how long the Nexus S will last.
Faster
Speed is the most important feature of a smartphone. We don't want lag. We want fluent animations, fast multi-touching and smooth browsing. The 1Ghz processor in the Nexus S is certainly not new. In fact, the Nexus One even had a 1Ghz processor, although that was a Snapdragon, and not a Hummingbird. Where the processor in the Nexus One was something new, in the Nexus S it is not so special anymore. Yet the Nexus S is very fast, certainly faster than the Nexus One. It is the fastest device on the market, for the moment at least.
This year will bring us a lot of dual-core phones. Will the Nexus S be outrunned? I don't think so. It is already fast. There is no feature that really needs a stronger processor. Maybe battery-life will be improved with dual-core, but regarding speed, I am not worried. The only thing you need a better processor for, is games. It is going the same way as it did with computers. You don't need quad-core to browse on the web, use Google Maps or edit a Word document. The only reason computers are getting faster and faster is because of the gaming industry. It will go the same way with smartphones. I personally don't need to play big games on my phone. Why would I want that? The screen is too small, and a touchscreen isn't very gaming-friendly. Besides, I have a Xbox 360 at home. I only want to play games like Angry Birds, and Worms on my smartphone. Games you can play in the bus, train or while waiting.
I would rather see every single flash game on the internet playable on my smartphone, then better processors to be able to play games that are more fun to play on my Xbox 360. At the moment there are no features that need a dual-core processor, at least not for me.
Better
You can't be special with speed. If you bring out a 2Ghz dual-core device, you can be sure that within a couple of months somebody else will also bring a 2Ghz dual-core smartphone on the market. An option is to invent your own screen. Samsung has got his 'Super AMOLED', for example, and Apple got the 'Retina' display.
The Super AMOLED on the Nexus S is pretty good. Vibrant, high-contrast colours appeal to a lot of people. Sure, there are some (including me) who like the sharper and more realistic LCD, but you can't say Super AMOLED isn't beautiful. The Nexus S has actually two versions, also one with Super Clear LCD. This is nothing more than a pimped S-LCD, but it's pretty nice, looking at the Samsung Wave II.
But new displays continue to be invented. Super AMOLED plus is coming, as is Sony's 'Reality Display' with Bravia technology, and LG comes with the crystal clear (at least, that is what they claim)
NOVIA display. Whether these displays are really that nice remains to be seen. You can name it whatever you want, in most technologies I don't see much difference.
Is there any threat for the Nexus S regarding the display? Not more than for any other device. The Super AMOLED and the Super Clear LCD are both very good displays, and I don't see anything special enough invented in the next two years that makes the display of the Nexus S look rubbish.
Nexus
As already mentioned, more than ever people seem to complain about the Nexus S. Complaining stems from dissapointment. Dissapointment stems from expectations. And the expectations of the Nexus S were pretty high. This was mostly due to the fact that it's a Nexus, an Android's flagship. The Nexus One had the same expectations. At that time, the whole Nexus-line was unknown, but it was known that the Nexus One would be a 'Google phone'. It was assumed that this possible iPhone Killer would have top-notch hardware and would be very special. The Nexus One was a good device indeed, but not so special as previously thought. There is, of course, a small group who loves the Nexus One, and I may be one of them. But it didn't have the kind of specialty that people where hoping for.
Being special doesn't seem to be the point for a Nexus. I think it's supposed to draw a line. A Nexus shows what Android is capable of at the moment of sale, but that doesn't mean that it got to have the latest hardware.
Anyway, the same mistake people made with the Nexus One, is now made with the Nexus S. The expectations where just to high. I don't think you need the latest hardware to make a good device, but if you don't come up with something special, people will be dissapointed.
P.S. I'll finish this topic later
I think you're missing a key point: if you're a device manufacturer, you prefer that people buy your new products every six months rather than every two years. They only make money when you buy a device. Not that I think there's some massive conspiracy to keep phones behind the cutting edge, but if there were some way they could make a phone so fantastic that you'd never want another phone again, I doubt they would want to sell it.
for what i use a phone for, the ns hardware should be fine for quite a while. android software is what i don't want to be outdated on. shouldn't be an issue with the ns.
you forget that those dual core phones wont be out for 3 or 4 months
To me, it seems like you wrote that whole essay trying to justify your purchase.
zorak950 said:
I think you're missing a key point: if you're a device manufacturer, you prefer that people buy your new products every six months rather than every two years. They only make money when you buy a device. Not that I think there's some massive conspiracy to keep phones behind the cutting edge, but if there were some way they could make a phone so fantastic that you'd never want another phone again, I doubt they would want to sell it.
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It's not a conspiracy, it's called business sense. There's little money in making and selling a perfect, everlasting product. That is the reason incandescent light bulbs last only 1000 hours and inkjet printers screech to a halt after exactly 5000 pages. It's planned obsolescence.
It's also the reason I went for the Nexus S. It doesn't come with planned obsolescence. Google will keep the updates coming much longer than any manufacturer or carrier. If Samsung had updated my I5700 Spica to Android 2.2, I wouldn't have bought the Nexus S. I would even have been willing to pay for the OS update.
Mokurex said:
To me, it seems like you wrote that whole essay trying to justify your purchase.
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To me, it seems like you're trolling.
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To me, it seems like you're trolling.
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How so? All he does was saying, "Oh there will be phone with better processor & display than the nexus s but i don't need it." You might not want a quad core processor in your pc, but is it better than a dual core? Yes. So what's the point of this?
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How so? All he does was saying, "Oh there will be phone with better processor & display than the nexus s but i don't need it." You might not want a quad core processor in your pc, but is it better than a dual core? Yes. So what's the point of this?
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Of course it's better, but more important is how MUCH better it is. Where do you need it for?
Oh and by the way, I do not own a Nexus S
I agree that this is a great phone and will be for quite a while. The things that I will be looking for in my next phone, which will likely replace my G2 before this, is a better camera, 5mp is good, but not great, especially once theyre on a computer. I know some people will say well if you want a better camera buy one, and I do have an SLR for real picture taking, but the technology is there to put better cameras in smartphones and Im glad Sony is trying to incorperate that.
Aside from the camera im not sure what else could really make me think 'this phone isnt good enough'. Of course I'll still probably buy 3 more phones this year because I really enjoy trying the latest and greatest in phones but for the average person I think this phone is more than good enough to last the 2 years of their contract.
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Androyed said:
Of course it's better, but more important is how MUCH better it is. Where do you need it for?
Oh and by the way, I do not own a Nexus S
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You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.
ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.
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You said yourself that technology is moving at a very fast pace. Even though android right now doesn't take advantage of the these dual core processor, how would you know that google wouldn't optimize future version of android to fully take advantage of the dual core. This would render device with these newer processor, a faster and smoother experience. With that in mind, saying that dual core processor is not needed isn't exactly a future-proof way of thinking.
ps. I apologize for saying that you're trying to justify the purchase if you didn't own one in the first place.
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You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.
One thing I see people overlook is that the nexus s is indeed a Google phone with updates straight from Google,all of Google's mobile division is behind this phone aswell as the nexus one. I dont know about you but I'd rather have the support of Google making updates for my phone first and having their Dev teams useing the phone I currently have (nexus s) than having a shiny new LG 2x with the oh so great tegra 2 which is the fist iteratation of dual core tegras and with that a little unproven and android isn't really optimized for it yet so it really has no ground apart from Smoother gaming,video play back and web browsing. In the end I would love a dual core nexus but you have in your hand I phone that can do almost everything your p.c can is that something to complain about?
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You are right, of course they will optimize it for dual-core. But the question is, do you need it? If your device is already super fast, will there really be a big difference with dual-core? What is faster than super fast? So, untill they bring out a feature that really needs it (except for games), I don't need dual-core. Because the Nexus S with 1Ghz is already amazingly fast, with virtually no lag.
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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You think upgrades only make things more processor intensive? Check out Windows 7 compared to Vista plz.
Jeez guys.
First off. Tegra2 is barely better than the Hummingbird. These aren't super phones. They're just great. Wait for the dual core snap dragon and dual core orion. Then Hummingbird and Tegra2 will both be "weak".
Yes, upgrade from vista to 7 isn't more processor intensive, but we're not talking windows are we? I'm sure all of us here can agree that from the video that google posted, honeycomb will use more cpu than gingerbread.
Btw, we're not arguing, it's called constructive argument =)
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If the nexus s will always be on 2.3 then yes the hummingbird processor will be plentiful. Did you see the new honeycomb ui that google demoed at CES? That fluid looking ui seems to use more processing power than even the live wallpaper on stock 2.3 launcher. When the nexus s gets honeycomb, will if still be super fast? What about ice cream? If let's say android 4.0 implements more eye candy, im sure it won't be as smooth anymore compare to these new dual core.
This is assuming you won't change phones when these newer version of android comes out.
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Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...
yea dual-core phones are coming out but so what. I'm good with my nexus S which will do jussst fine. I can guarantee you the next nexus device will pack a dual core processor. Until then, i'll keep nexus S and purchase the G-slate.
Having used the NS for the last 3 weeks, it clearly is a step up from the N1 in terms of performance. The screen is absolutely great and the extra real estate is nice to text on, but my biggest beef with the phone is the build quality.
Clearly, Samsung and Google could have done more. I would have been happy using the NS for the next year if Samsung would have used the material of their new phone, the Infuse, on the NS.
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Um that was the tablet version of Honeycomb I am pretty sure the phone version will be different. And I am pretty sure that google is testing all of their future updates on the Nexus S until a new Nexus device is released so all future updates will be optimized for the S...
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Exactly. And untill then, the Nexus S will be just as good as those dual-core phones, at least for me. Of course, when a new Nexus is released, it will be a lot faster. I think even after a new Nexus is released, the old ones will still get updates for so long they actually 'update' something, and don't make the device slower.
Not only you should buy a Nexus because you get updates fast, or 'normal', as I prefer to say, but also because it just works well. The Nexus S has the same processor as most Android phones, but yet it manages to be a lot faster? It's not magic. It just works well.
Until an android pure phone comes out I don't even look at any of them. I would rather buy a WP7 then a UI and bloatware.
Why is the GUI interface and overall graphics on the Atrix so unsmooth? I'm assuming the cause is the large resolution, and maybe a crappy LCD screen? I'm thinking its more the LCD screen. Since my iPhone 4 has a resolution close to if not the same as the Atrix, and has a PowerVR GPU one model lower than my Samsung Captivate, and its 10x smother than my Atrix. Just don't understand why you would build a phone with so much power and screw it up with an under par LCD screen. What are your thoughts?
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I believe it's because atrix lacks proper software optimizations which motorola is too lazy to provide.
Meh.... If you look at quadrant advance - lets assume its accurate and not argue for a sec
The tegra 2 doesnt have the greatest 2D performance - in fact quite low...
...what are you talking about? I've never seen any unsmoothness on my Atrix, except in the Gallery app when zooming in on high res photos. Everywhere else, its far smoother than my 3rd gen iPod touch, which itself was no slouch.
That said, I use launcher pro instead of Motoblur, so maybe that has something to do with it.
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...what are you talking about? I've never seen any unsmoothness on my Atrix, except in the Gallery app when zooming in on high res photos. Everywhere else, its far smoother than my 3rd gen iPod touch, which itself was no slouch.
That said, I use launcher pro instead of Motoblur, so maybe that has something to do with it.
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I noticed choppyness with live wallpapers. Also, when i first open the keyboard to type, the first couple of letters don't register so i have to retype that all again.
I think... WHYWHYWHYWHYWHY?!
I mean single core phones run smoother wtf =/
the lwp lag really gets me =/
Motoblur...
Froyo doesn't have gpu acceleration for the ui, or so I've been told. It's far worse on other phones. When gingerbread comes out you'll see a significant difference.
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Motoblur...
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Motoblows...
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Why is the GUI interface and overall graphics on the Atrix so unsmooth? I'm assuming the cause is the large resolution, and maybe a crappy LCD screen? I'm thinking its more the LCD screen. Since my iPhone 4 has a resolution close to if not the same as the Atrix, and has a PowerVR GPU one model lower than my Samsung Captivate, and its 10x smother than my Atrix. Just don't understand why you would build a phone with so much power and screw it up with an under par LCD screen. What are your thoughts?
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I'm coming from Windows Mobile, so everything on Atrix looks smooth to me
But seriously, I think it may be a combination of the GUI not being hardware accelerated and whatever software/widgets you've got running in the background.
It's definitely not butter smooth, but it isn't that bad either.
Use a third party launcher, and freeze out the Motoblur stuff. I was also really disappointed when I first saw general navigation around the GUI and saw how choppy it was. Try Launcher Pro, or Go Launcher Ex and get rid of all the preinstalled crapware. It makes all the difference and you'll be much happier with performance.
Android 2.3 and below do not have any hardware acceleration. Your iPhone has tons of hardware acceleration to make it feel faster (when it's not)
My Atrix feels fast.
I'm also coming from a Samsung Captivate which is crap tons smoother. Its not cause of the launcher, nor the lack of hardware acceleration in froyo. It does it with all the launchers. I'm probably just spoiled with my Captivate.
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live wallpaper lag.. really annoys me but then it reminds me how much battery I waste with it enabled and it makes me turn it off again ASAP
Its because the Tegra 2 sucks at everything but playing douchy Tegra Zone games. In other words your SOC was built by a graphics company. So 3d rendering is great but 2d and everything else sucks. Great GPU, very sad and not optimized CPU. I doubt gingerbread will help that much. Sorry guys
Edit: I'm no fanboy but my thunderbolt runs buttery smooth at everything and I run multi pic live wallpaper with 7, count it 7 different wallpapers and the 3d cube transition effect. This is with sense and at least one widget on every screen, most have two.
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wtf?? do you know ehat you are talking? Do you see xoom or Lg optimus x2, they also have tegra 2 and they all have smoth graphics.....motorola atrix have problemes....not tegra 2
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Its because the Tegra 2 sucks at everything but playing douchy Tegra Zone games. In other words your SOC was built by a graphics company. So 3d rendering is great but 2d and everything else sucks. Great GPU, very sad and not optimized CPU. I doubt gingerbread will help that much. Sorry guys
Edit: I'm no fanboy but my thunderbolt runs buttery smooth at everything and I run multi pic live wallpaper with 7, count it 7 different wallpapers and the 3d cube transition effect. This is with sense and at least one widget on every screen, most have two.
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The thunderturd is an evo with lipstick.
The graphics are not even potentially shown...
Tegra 2 uses a different processing post. Therefor showing a weaker performance on 3D and 2D processing...
Just chill and relax. Enjoy the phone a bit more. Don't expect it to make you breakfast either.
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The thunderturd is an evo with lipstick.
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Lmao!
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Its funny yall start dissing on the thunderbolt when I didn't bash the Atrix at all. Everything I said was aimed at the Tegra 2. Then I gave an example of a single core phone that runs way smoother than the Tegra 2 and most likely why that is. I just posted an explanation referring to the topic of this thread. Honeycomb uses some better hardware acceleration so the Tegra does do better on HC but it won't come close to the TI, snapdragon, or hummingbird dual core processors.
But clearly I'm talking to some serious fanboys here so there is no point in trying to state facts.
Edit: As far as the evo with lipstick comment goes I dont see what sense that makes considering the thunderbolt has more RAM and the msm8655 which is a huge leap in speed and efficiency from the processor in the evo.
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I know im going to get flamed, however I don't understand how we could have such a powerful phone with the slowest 2D and sub-par performance 3D (unless its a TegraZone game)? Yes the phone is super fast, but it has a superior GPU that can't even to 2D well. NVIDIA has said that the low benchmarks are do to the benchmarking software not taking advantage of the tegra's 3D capabilities. Yet they are all based on OpenGL ES. Which is a standard that any GPU made for android should support fully. 2D should have been mastered way before 3D was. Also, to say its the resolution being so high, again this GPU (not quite as powerful as its desktop version) was powering way higher resolutions than that of the Atrix. Also, let's not forget where NVIDIA started, they pretty much made OpenGL what it is today.
I just wanted to get that off my chest. I have the Atrix and love the speed. I just can't get past the fact that my single core captivate with its PowerVR 540 has better performance in 2D and 3D out-of-the-box. Fluid motion across the entire phone.
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my understanding is that android is not optimized for dual core cpus as of right now. also correct me if i am wrong but the ui is not gpu accelerated because of the multitude of hardware android has to be compatible with? although things like the stock launcher are hardware accelerated and run quite nicely. (although are incompatible because of our high screen resolution) expect better performance in the coming future. i also have a honeycomb tablet with similar hardware. the ui is all hardware accelerated and it is smooth as can be. i would expect phones will catch up as we get closer to ice-cream sandwich.
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my understanding is that android is not optimized for dual core cpus as of right now. also correct me if i am wrong but the ui is not gpu accelerated because of the multitude of hardware android has to be compatible with? although things like the stock launcher are hardware accelerated and run quite nicely. (although are incompatible because of our high screen resolution) expect better performance in the coming future. i also have a honeycomb tablet with similar hardware. the ui is all hardware accelerated and it is smooth as can be. i would expect phones will catch up as we get closer to ice-cream sandwich.
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I hope so. Just hope Motorola provides us with an ice-cream sandwich.
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Can we see these benchmarks? If you test the phone on smartbench (which uses opengl graphics) the ATRIX scores higher than the sgs2... so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
I don't know what you are talking about. Are you one of those people that still believes the PowerVR 540 does 90m polygons/s???
I don't see any slow down in any game, 3d or 2d and that's pushing way more pixels.
Not in games, but web browsing and scrolling can be awsomelly crappy on the atrix, thats true. And Galaxy on Fire 2, for example, does lag.
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i got this phone with the full understanding that the software was not optimized for dual core cpus. im expecting it to get better. (from looking at honeycomb the future is bright)
Android Software can take advantage of both processing cores, its a matter of if the application supports it.
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Not in games, but web browsing and scrolling can be awsomelly crappy on the atrix, thats true. And Galaxy on Fire 2, for example, does lag.
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Are you on 2.3.4?
Also, web browser lag is a software issue. Download dolphin web browser. Theres no lag there.
Yes I am. Yes, I tried opera, dolphin, every single browser you can think of, there definetly is lag. If you cant spot it right on, go to a carrier store and access the same site on your atrix and on the SGS2. Try pocket now, its a heavy website, or stock youtube, or anything you can think of that contains lots of images and videos. The atrix isnt smooth by any standards.
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Yes I am. Yes, I tried opera, dolphin, every single browser you can think of, there definetly is lag. If you cant spot it right on, go to a carrier store and access the same site on your atrix and on the SGS2. Try pocket now, its a heavy website, or stock youtube, or anything you can think of that contains lots of images and videos. The atrix isnt smooth by any standards.
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I gotta agree the stock 2.2.2 sucks. I also believed (kinda) the phone was subpar for what it was marketed for.
A week ago, however, flashed 2.3.4 (When Int'l users got some serious love), and coupled with the newest Edgan kernel and Go Launcher Ex, I can tell you the difference is huge.
Maybe you could try that? I apologize beforehand if you already did, but couldn't tell.
Yes it becomes much, much speedier (I did those exact configs, golauncher ex, 2.3.4., OC kernel) but also much buggier. Battery life went to hell, it heated up constantly, and my phone would wake sometimes not recognizing my SIM card and screwing up my widgets.
I took off the OC kernel and left with stock 2.3.4, its still much faster than froyo, and it's, sadly, still behind the SGS2, for example. My comparison with the Galaxy is that it's the only other dual core superphone on Brazil for now.
Given, I didnt notice the difference until I personally compared the two, so i suggest this as a free-time enlightening endeavor to all Atrix owners. A bit depressing tough, but hey, out phone has a fingerprint sensor, the lapdock, and a much greater pixel density (which makes a hell of a lot of difference too, trust me).
If you're on froyo it's an unfair comparison.
Get on gingerbread and we'll talk.
The other phone is always better..... until you actually buy it. Then there's always gonna be a better phone just around the corner.
You can do one of two things
1) return/ sell your Atrix and get the GS2 or 2) stick with the Atrix and stop obsessing over lame benchmark scores. The Atrix is still one of the fastest Android phones on the market.
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If you're on froyo it's an unfair comparison.
Get on gingerbread and we'll talk.
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For the third frggin time, I'm on GB.
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For the third frggin time, I'm on GB.
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Ok then, I'm on GB as well. I get 3600 productivity and 2800 gaming on smartbench. I get ~24 hours of battery life (in use). The phone is never hot like it used to get on froyo.
I'm using edgans international kernel on 2.3.4 OrangeFR.
If you don't spend time on your phone, it will have issues. If you search around and are smart, you can run a flawless 2.3.4 atrix that beats GS2 in gaming, and almost matches it in productivity.
Its buttery smooth.
My god you really didnt read anything I wrote...
Im not talking about benching. Im not talking about problems with gaming, and I dont even wanna guess what you mean by "productivity". Im saying that scrolling up and down the same website in both phones side-by-side, the SGS2 wins by a large margin, and that until you've tried it personally, you may not feel any performance issues with ur Atrix.
The only exception to the gaming is Galaxy on Fire 2, which stutters on the Atrix, and I confirmed this on two models. Its a graphically heavy game, but its made for Tegra, and it stutters. Its one software, so Im not blaming this on the phone, just saying... This specific game doesnt even run on the Galaxy, for example...
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My god you really didnt read anything I wrote...
Im not talking about benching. Im not talking about problems with gaming, and I dont even wanna guess what you mean by "productivity". Im saying that scrolling up and down the same website in both phones side-by-side, the SGS2 wins by a large margin, and that until you've tried it personally, you may not feel any performance issues with ur Atrix.
The only exception to the gaming is Galaxy on Fire 2, which stutters on the Atrix, and I confirmed this on two models. Its a graphically heavy game, but its made for Tegra, and it stutters. Its one software, so Im not blaming this on the phone, just saying... This specific game doesnt even run on the Galaxy, for example...
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The productivity benchmark portion of smartbench. Check it out.
I have absolutely no stutter in my dolphin web browser. I'm on the desktop version of youtube right now. Since you have a GS2 in your hands. Take a video comparing them. Make sure you install a fresh copy of cherryblur, redpill, or ninjarom before you compare. Kenn's beta and the OTA are a little buggy and bloated. There's no way that the atrix stutters. If it does, return yours. Mine doesn't.
Its a well known fact that game is gimmicky. Try out backbreaker THD, Riptide, pinball THD, samurai 2 vengeance, guerrilla bob, reckless racing.
Guys, SGS2 has a hardware-accelerated browser! It is bound to be smoother and faster than what we have on Atrix!
Yes my galaxy tab has the same graphics accelerated browser. Its ipad fast lol. Switch to dolphin and its slow again. Samsung are definitely baking gpu acceleration into stock browsers
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In conclusion: Amazing. The work Turl, Jokersax, etc have done here is amazing.
Why do I say this? I just got a One X. And it feels slower than my Atrix
Thanks guys, and I hope it will go on being appreciated by my girlfriend (if I can pry her away from the world of physical keyboards - can't keep using a Desire Z forever!)
Some work to be done here, methinks. Plus, I used to think Sense made Android better. Since Google gave us ICS, it feels like an abomination
Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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The Krait CPU in the dual core version is actually super competitive with the Tegra3 quad core version, so if it is slower than the Atrix, more power to the developers!
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Did you get a 4G LTE one? That ones dual core just like the, and the unlocked HSPA+ ones are quad core. At least, thats how I understand it, correct me if im wrong.
But still, it being "just a dual core" shouldnt make it laggy, if anything it should be a similar experience to the Atrix, or more so. Very peculiar.
Anyways, it looks like an awesome phone, maybe you just need some good ole Cyanogen magic to bring it out of its shell.
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I think you something...
Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though
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Actually, I would've preferred a Krait-based version (krait owns a9s in terms of performance per core, so an app is going to have to be very well threaded to run faster on Tegra 3... Plus Adreno 225 is a good deal faster than Tegra 3s GPU) but here in the UK we don't have commercially available LTE yet, so mine's the standard Kal-El quad.
It's better now its rooted and running a bloat-free ROM, but it doesn't feel faster than the Atrix tbh. It's nice to finally have a phone with a non-pentile screen though
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That's so weird to hear that the quad isn't as fast. I know we don't need quad cores at all, its stupid and only for wow factor, but its still weird to hear that. Once more developers get on into the One X though, its going to be sick. A lot of devs are leaving the Desire HD to get the One X.
What is the One X overclock-able to?
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i wonder if a de-sensed ROM on the oneX would be smoother?
I wouldn't be surprised if next gen smartphones have a core i7 3960X and 24GB of ram.
Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.
The HTC One X comes with Sense 4 so it already has ICS.
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Hah! You've hit on why I never bought into the hype for the SGSII. I think we've reached a point where, unless Android 5+ has something really heavy in it the OS is no longer bottlenecked by hardware. Dual core 1Ghz+ CPUs are enough for Android to run like butter, and as a result the screen or LTE are the only incentives to upgrade at this point in time.
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Sure are. To be honest, I was perfectly happy with my Atrix. With CM9, it's perfect - incredibly fast, stable and great battery life (at least as far as Android phones go ). The only reason I upgraded was because I came to the end of my contract, and as I have to keep paying the amount I am for the internet coverage anyway, I figured why not renew for another 2 years and grab a new toy with no up-front cost.
I hear you on pentile, ever since I read about it I cant un-notice it on greens. But is a screen really worth $200(contract)-$600(no contract)? IMO its not.
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Actually, the Atrix PenTile LCD (RGBW) annoyed me far less than the AMOLED (RGBG) on the Desire I had previously - at least with the Atrix arrangement, black on white/white on black are rendered at full resolution, so most text is very sharp, whereas everything but green renders at 1/4 res on the non-super AMOLED!
Either way, enjoy your One X. Its popularity and HTC's track record with unlockable bootloaders should all but guarantee you'll see stock ICS roms pretty soon.
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Yeah, I think I should be on to a safe bet, the Desire development community is massive, which I always appreciated when I had one And I guess the One X is 2012's Desire... I'm (rather impatiently) looking forward to S-Off, AOSP/CM9 and custom kernels though.
I just need to get used to this size tax that all Android device manufacturers seem to be applying to their high-end phones these days 'Want a powerful phone? Sorry, it's got to be unfathomably gigantic' [it's not the bulk - the One X is lighter and thinner than the Atrix... What really irks me that I can't reach the top corners of the screen whilst holding the phone securely in one hand walking down the road or whatever. But maybe that's just me....]
So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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I don't think video recording works, plus the browser tends to crash if you rotate from portrait to landscape. I now just turn the phone before starting the browser as a matter of habit Hardware video playback/encoding acceleration doesn't yet work, so most flash video at high bitrates is choppy at best, though Youtube works fine, as does local video (the files I tried, anyway). As always for CM roms, Moto webtop doesn't work, although there is a tablet-view based alternative that I think is currently working - it appears this is the route Motorola are going for in their own ICS ROMs anyway, so it will probably be the case for the Atrix too upon release. I don't really know as I've never used it.
But aside from that: yes, it's amazing. Far faster than any Froyo or Gingerbread release I tried in feel. The browser is much faster both in terms of page rendering and scrolling/zooming smoothness. Even complex AJAX web pages scroll and interact smoothly. With Chrome Beta, it's even better! Scrolling and transitions in general are much smoother thanks to the hardware accelerated GUI. To me, the Atrix feels like a whole new phone with ICS. Oh, and I forgot: The battery life is much better with my usage too - I rarely see below about 60% when returning from work these days where as back when I was running CM7, it would often be closer to 30%...
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So even though CM9 is still in alpha, it works great? Is there anything about it that doesn't work?
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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.
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This thread inspired me to give CM9 a try. It's definitely not ready for prime time. I went back to CM7. The camera didn't work half the time. Video recording doesn't work at all. Can't use tabs in Chrome and it crashed often. No fingerprint unlock which isn't a deal breaker but still a bummer.
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I've used phones with OEM firmware with more bugs
What's up with the camera? I have zero issues with stills... Although the Atrix's camera is so terrible it's not really worth using anyway! (I'm sure the camera on my old Desire was a lot better? As is, obviously, the One X - though even that doesn't compete with the cheapest 'real' camera...)
Personally, I found that despite the bugs, going back to <ICS feels like being in the stone age Scrolling, zooming and the render time for complex pages in the browser is so bad on GB I actually hated browsing the web on it before the (very buggy) early test builds of CM9 came along. You can't even use Chrome on previous versions, so why does that matter? The stock browser is infinitely better on ICS than GB...
All the work these guys have put in to bring us ICS, IMO is incredible. Maybe it's not ready for 'prime time' but I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy (although maybe in different ways) and probably a hell of a lot slower if previous AOSP/CM vs. Moto ROM rules apply... Having said that, the correct + working video drivers from the Moto release when they drop will likely fix everything that's wrong with CM9 on the Atrix at the moment.
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I'd hazard a guess that Motorola's initial official releases will likely be just as/more buggy
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thats just not realistic...
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What don't work on CM9 Roms?
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thats just not realistic...
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Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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Why cut off the parenthesis? He said in different ways, which is more than possible
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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it? i'm sorry, but that is just a brash generalization possibly rooted in some sort of loathsomeness for not having an official ICS release already.
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because stating that the official release will have as many if not more bugs is not the same as stating it will have different bugs. my argument is against the former. do you really think an official release from motorola, a company that has all the resources they need available to them (including a QA team), would have as many or more bugs than a community-developed ROM, which itself was a best-effort attempt at porting ICS to a platform which did not already have it?
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Unfortunately, many Android lovers tend to believe community devs can do no wrong and corporate devs are slow and retarded.
If so, then why is dev work SO much better when source code, drivers, and official builds are released?
CM9 will be absolutely beyond amazing once official Atrix ICS is out and drivers/source is out.