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Switching to evo from epic?

Well. I have decided to actually go to the Evo from the Epic. I have my reasons. I will get 50 back. I love the Epics screen and the keyboard, which I am using right now actually. The thing that gets me is. I can't put a pin on it but. I just like the Evo better. Its not the hardware. Which is still awesome and I love. Considering the Epic has much better hardware it is hard to explain the switch. I think I would enjoy the screen more. Is it gorilla glass? Also will he Evo get gingerbread? This is a hard decision...I like that the Evo has the otterbox support and such a large community. Also I think I woul enjoy the evo more. In a few months. Actually 3 I will have another upgrade to use and I believe something will be out by then. Also I had a Hero an I love Htc products. I also want Freshes roms. Lol
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The EVO is going to get all of the updates that the Epic gets and probably more. It also has much better developer support. HTC is just a much better phone manufacturer than Samsung.

That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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The EVO is fully rootable right now on any version.

Blitzpwnage said:
That's really a big reason I want to switch. The other one is. This ismy first super smartphone...and I think the Evo ould be a much better starting point. There will be something new by janurary and I will have another upgrade to use. Also froyo can be rooted correct? Was there a new OTA update that blockedrooting on 2.2? I do realize I am only on the 3rd week for the epic but the Evo isn't that outdated. Infact it isn't even close.
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hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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Definitely. The EVO is super-snappy, and the processor is easily enough.

Last-Chance said:
yes but thats the thing. The android market has yet to see any big graphical games. There is a few games that use advanced graphics, but they can still be handled by the evo. It will take about a year or so to see good games being developed for android, but before that time, evo will still be ontop, even with it's old processor.
+ idk about you, but I'd rather play games on either my ps3, or my pc. I never looked at phones as a gaming platform, and never will. If you want to emulate games from n64, and stuff, just install it on your ps3/pc, and go from there. I don't see a point on playing n64 games on a phone.
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agreed, I dont care about gaming on a cell phone. The only reason i brought that up is because the epic offers a much smoother experience when scrolling and pinching and zooming and **** like that because of the better GPU
Blitzpwnage said:
I have a few graphically intensive games such as NOVA and I very rarely play these games that is why I am reqally leaning towards the EVO I don't use my phone for mobile gaming...well 3d that is. So its not that huge of an issue. Is the Evos processor still enough for normal tasks and not gaming?
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i am by NO means saying the Evo is a slouch, its still majorly fast, and is a DECENT gaming device if your into that, I was just making a point when the guy said the Evo is far from being outdate. I still love my Evo

Hey i really only buy HTC phones just do to development of them on this site..my girl has the epic and i think shes gonna either go evo in a week or hopefully they release a win pho 7 at the begining of october
Evo can play some 3d games..but for me I'll play a 3d game for alittle bit, but touch screen and accelerometer does not work for me. unless I get a keyboard and mouse hooked up

Success100 said:
hardware wise..actually it is..same snapdragon that was released in the nexus and HD2 creeping up on a year ago..
the Snapdragon cant hang with the TI Omap and Cortex processors. People can say it doesnt make a difference, but it does. Launching apps, 1GHz is 1GHz, so its about equal on both phones when it comes to handling tasks, but when it comes to graphics and rendering, the Epic blows the Evo out the ballpark. I dont wanna turn this into another Evo vs Epic debate, but if were stating facts lets state them correctly..
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Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.

Not to be off topic but I heard rumors of dual core proccesers out by x mas, any one here about that?
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Thats one thing I learned about Samsung, on paper the specs are superior, but on actual performance and real world usage it falls far behind. The hardware is great, but the software they put on to run it is an epic fail. I haven't used the epic 4g yet, but this has been my experience with past Samsung phones and I dont expect the current to be much different.
And yes evohack I have also heard that dual core phones are scheduled to be out in Q4.

I have the fascinate and I can.say that the sammys needs help with their crap software. Touchwiz is a horrible joke and the GPS and lag is a real issue. Glad its not my primary phone. Thanks to google voice I can.play around with multiple phones and still get all.my calls.
The phone could.have used a better backcover. It feels cheap and prone to.smudges. should.have given it a rubberized feel like they do with a lot of the new.cases would.help. I might create something for that.
The phone is lightweight and screen is nice. Sammys better off with less touchwiz and more froyo. Hope he community will have something soon for it.
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Snapdragon uses a 1ghz cortex A8 CPU. The difference you are trying to explain is GPU not CPU. The Hummingbird SoC uses a PowerVR SGX540 GPU, Snapdragon SoC uses a Adreno 200 GPU, the SGX540 is roughly 4-5x more powerful in terms of triangles per second.
However, I don't trust Samsung to build quality phones. I love my EVO and will keep it for the foreseeable future.
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right, i think the adreno is about 20 million triangles per second where the SGX is about 90 million

I'm leaning at getting my 50 bucks back and getting the evo. I lover my epic but its just not what I need right now and that 50 bucks can go towards my 10 payment fee a month.im really going to miss this screen lol first I'm going to go play with the evo from radioshack then decide indefinitely...hows the evos screen??
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Blitzpwnage said:
..hows the evos screen??
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Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.

phatmanxxl said:
Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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Thats the real big thing for me, the support behind it, I had a Hero before the Epic and loved it, I was looking at fresh 3.2 and I guess it has some amazing battery life can this actually be confirmed, I get crap battery from my Epic...

phatmanxxl said:
Coming from the epic, it probably will look like crap to you. Not as bright and the colors wont slap you in the face. Its not bad, but not great to today's standards, somewhere in the middle, eh good enough lol. But hey its HTC so if it can be improved you'll see it here at XDA first. It all comes down to the SAMOLED, keyboard and community support really. I personally dont think that the CPU/GPU are going to make much difference because of how Samsung implements it. Like I said specs are specs but at the end of the day if the frameworks and kernels are botched and half assed, well you know the rest and what to expect.
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idk, to me the screen nor the keyboard are big points. The screen has burn in issues, and some of the colors aren't even displayed right. + I'm pretty sure the screen is a lot more expensive to replace then an lcd one and easier to break/scratch.
The only reason I thought of switching a while ago was the cpu/gpu, but after I thought about it, it just would be retarded to switch.
Because:
1. TW is crap compared to sense.
2. The cpu/gpu would be a waste since I wouldn't even use it much.
3. It's samsung.

Blitzpwnage said:
hows the evos screen??
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It's big and beautiful, and with LCD Density Changer you can fit so much on the screen at once.

Honeycomb

Okay so I know we haven't even gotten gingerbread yet but I was just wondering if the n1 would have the hardware specs for honeycomb. Thoughts anyone?
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skunz35 said:
Okay so I know we haven't even gotten gingerbread yet but I was just wondering if the n1 would have the hardware specs for honeycomb. Thoughts anyone?
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No it doesn't.
Actually, who the hell would know? But if the Nexus One has a debilitating bottle neck, it's the GPU. When the original Droid from 2009 beats you, you got a problem. If Honeycomb finally brings GPU acceleration (that's if 2.3 doesn't) along with a ton of intense UI stuff, the Nexus One might lag behind.

I hate to read that I hoped my n1 would never turn into one of those old dusty android phones that falls behind on updates
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Since we don't even know the spec requirements for Gingerbread are, how would anyone know what Honeycomb requires?

I thought we knew a little bit about it, especially after all these rumors about it running on the n1 already
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Of course it does. What do you think Google is testing it on? You know the Nexus One is their development phone, right?

mortzz said:
Of course it does. What do you think Google is testing it on? You know the Nexus One is their development phone, right?
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They are testing 2.3 on the Nexus One (and of course the Nexus S). Honeycomb seems to be a tablet OS, but even if it isn't, what makes you believe that they aren't focusing on their new in house phone, the Nexus S?

We'll skip honeycomb and go straight to icecream

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They are testing 2.3 on the Nexus One (and of course the Nexus S). Honeycomb seems to be a tablet OS, but even if it isn't, what makes you believe that they aren't focusing on their new in house phone, the Nexus S?
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Development for Honeycomb existed before the Nexus S.

First thing guys, Nexus One will get honeycomb, no the gpu isnt ****ty its way better than the droid 2009, Nexus One scores better on 3d. Yes Nexus one has the specs for honeycomb, IMO even G1 will get gingerbread and might get honeycomb as we already have the drivers for it working on the 2.6.35 kernel. Nexus One will be supported beyond honeycomb as 1ghz processor is not ****ty in a smartphone. Even with the upcoming of the dual core processor, single core 1 ghz will not be obsolete. About the gpu, the drivers are improving day by day and it supports open gl 2.0 and its time since open gl 3.0 lands on mobile devices. Until 3.0 stuff starts appearing Nexus One will continue to be a good phone. It will become a G1 the day open gl 3.0 starts appearing and along with it all other devices g2 etc will become a overclocked g1. Nexus S might not be the new dev phone, u have no confirmations, it might be like the HTC magic, the flagship phone for 1.5 or Droid the flagship phone for 2.0. Look at the facts and understand wats in there before caring for such stuff, will honecomb come, will icecream or whatever come. If its in the AOSP it will sure boot on ur Nexus and will boot on ur G1 and i suspect it might slow down on the G1 etc after gingerbread

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First thing guys, Nexus One will get honeycomb, no the gpu isnt ****ty its way better than the droid 2009, Nexus One scores better on 3d. Yes Nexus one has the specs for honeycomb, IMO even G1 will get gingerbread and might get honeycomb as we already have the drivers for it working on the 2.6.35 kernel. Nexus One will be supported beyond honeycomb as 1ghz processor is not ****ty in a smartphone. Even with the upcoming of the dual core processor, single core 1 ghz will not be obsolete. About the gpu, the drivers are improving day by day and it supports open gl 2.0 and its time since open gl 3.0 lands on mobile devices. Until 3.0 stuff starts appearing Nexus One will continue to be a good phone. It will become a G1 the day open gl 3.0 starts appearing and along with it all other devices g2 etc will become a overclocked g1. Nexus S might not be the new dev phone, u have no confirmations, it might be like the HTC magic, the flagship phone for 1.5 or Droid the flagship phone for 2.0. Look at the facts and understand wats in there before caring for such stuff, will honecomb come, will icecream or whatever come. If its in the AOSP it will sure boot on ur Nexus and will boot on ur G1 and i suspect it might slow down on the G1 etc after gingerbread
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YEAH! what he said
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Honeycomb requires a core i7 5ghz processor 6gb ddr4 ram ..... I heard about this from my friend that works at google.... weird thing about him is that he says that he wants honeycomb all the time....
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So now that Gingerbread has been released on a phone....
What say you about :
1) The Nexus S phone with Gingerbread
2) Honeycomb and the Nexus One

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So now that Gingerbread has been released on a phone....
What say you about :
1) The Nexus S phone with Gingerbread
2) Honeycomb and the Nexus One
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1. I thinks its obvious that development has now shifted to the Nexus S.
2. We've now seen some glimpses of honeycomb and it looks to be the release with the UI overhaul - even stated by Andy Rubin at dive into mobile. The smooth orientation change animation also makes me believe that Honeycomb finally brings full HW acceleration. Nothing is known for sure but considering the shift in attention, the very weak GPU and HW acceleration, Honeycomb is not a absolute given.
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1. I thinks its obvious that development has now shifted to the Nexus S.
2. We've now seen some glimpses of honeycomb and it looks to be the release with the UI overhaul - even stated by Andy Rubin at dive into mobile. The smooth orientation change animation also makes me believe that Honeycomb finally brings full HW acceleration. Nothing is known for sure but considering the shift in attention, the very weak GPU and HW acceleration, Honeycomb is not a absolute given.
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The GPU is more than powerful enough to display a few triangles on the screen for the UI. The only time you will see the GPU dragging down the phone would be full 3D environments like games.

Clarkster said:
The GPU is more than powerful enough to display a few triangles on the screen for the UI. The only time you will see the GPU dragging down the phone would be full 3D environments like games.
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Some quick things I noticed between the Nexus One/EVO (have both now and are similar) and Nexus S.
1. The 3D view in maps is much smoother in the Nexus S. The Adreno 200 can still perform admirably(~20-30 FPS) but when you compare it to a more capable GPU you realize that it can not perform at 100% (~60 FPS) and is already struggling.
2. Pretty much any live wallpapers will lag up the home screen, some more than others. This isn't the case with the newer GPUs.
3. The same thing that happens with the 3D view in maps happens in the 3D gallery. It runs okay (20-30 FPS) but when you compare it to a newer phone like the Nexus S it runs so much more smoother (~60 FPS). Even worse I experience severe choppiness (~10FPS) when there's a lot of photos and I do something simple like popping up a menu or a info modal. This point is especially important since everything I read references the 3D gallery app as a HW accelerated app.
I could very well be proven wrong by Google; I'm just point out some observations I made.

Award Tour said:
Some quick things I noticed between the Nexus One/EVO (have both now and are similar) and Nexus S.
1. The 3D view in maps is much smoother in the Nexus S. The Adreno 200 can still perform admirably(~20-30 FPS) but when you compare it to a more capable GPU you realize that it can not perform at 100% (~60 FPS) and is already struggling.
2. Pretty much any live wallpapers will lag up the home screen, some more than others. This isn't the case with the newer GPUs.
3. The same thing that happens with the 3D view in maps happens in the 3D gallery. It runs okay (20-30 FPS) but when you compare it to a newer phone like the Nexus S it runs so much more smoother (~60 FPS). Even worse I experience severe choppiness (~10FPS) when there's a lot of photos and I do something simple like popping up a menu or a info modal. This point is especially important since everything I read references the 3D gallery app as a HW accelerated app.
I could very well be proven wrong by Google; I'm just point out some observations I made.
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Yes, that's exactly what I mean. Everything you mention are full 3D apps that would tax the GPU a lot more than simple hardware acceleration for the 2D Android interface.
So if they rewrote everything in the style of the Gallery, it would be a problem, if they just used the GPU to accelerate the 2D interface elements such as transitions, the scrolling, or the web browser it should be perfectly fine.

Atrix.....super fast but super slow 2D performance.

I know im going to get flamed, however I don't understand how we could have such a powerful phone with the slowest 2D and sub-par performance 3D (unless its a TegraZone game)? Yes the phone is super fast, but it has a superior GPU that can't even to 2D well. NVIDIA has said that the low benchmarks are do to the benchmarking software not taking advantage of the tegra's 3D capabilities. Yet they are all based on OpenGL ES. Which is a standard that any GPU made for android should support fully. 2D should have been mastered way before 3D was. Also, to say its the resolution being so high, again this GPU (not quite as powerful as its desktop version) was powering way higher resolutions than that of the Atrix. Also, let's not forget where NVIDIA started, they pretty much made OpenGL what it is today.
I just wanted to get that off my chest. I have the Atrix and love the speed. I just can't get past the fact that my single core captivate with its PowerVR 540 has better performance in 2D and 3D out-of-the-box. Fluid motion across the entire phone.
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my understanding is that android is not optimized for dual core cpus as of right now. also correct me if i am wrong but the ui is not gpu accelerated because of the multitude of hardware android has to be compatible with? although things like the stock launcher are hardware accelerated and run quite nicely. (although are incompatible because of our high screen resolution) expect better performance in the coming future. i also have a honeycomb tablet with similar hardware. the ui is all hardware accelerated and it is smooth as can be. i would expect phones will catch up as we get closer to ice-cream sandwich.

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my understanding is that android is not optimized for dual core cpus as of right now. also correct me if i am wrong but the ui is not gpu accelerated because of the multitude of hardware android has to be compatible with? although things like the stock launcher are hardware accelerated and run quite nicely. (although are incompatible because of our high screen resolution) expect better performance in the coming future. i also have a honeycomb tablet with similar hardware. the ui is all hardware accelerated and it is smooth as can be. i would expect phones will catch up as we get closer to ice-cream sandwich.
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I hope so. Just hope Motorola provides us with an ice-cream sandwich.
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Can we see these benchmarks? If you test the phone on smartbench (which uses opengl graphics) the ATRIX scores higher than the sgs2... so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I don't know what you are talking about. Are you one of those people that still believes the PowerVR 540 does 90m polygons/s???
I don't see any slow down in any game, 3d or 2d and that's pushing way more pixels.

Not in games, but web browsing and scrolling can be awsomelly crappy on the atrix, thats true. And Galaxy on Fire 2, for example, does lag.
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i got this phone with the full understanding that the software was not optimized for dual core cpus. im expecting it to get better. (from looking at honeycomb the future is bright)

Android Software can take advantage of both processing cores, its a matter of if the application supports it.

Viamonte said:
Not in games, but web browsing and scrolling can be awsomelly crappy on the atrix, thats true. And Galaxy on Fire 2, for example, does lag.
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Are you on 2.3.4?
Also, web browser lag is a software issue. Download dolphin web browser. Theres no lag there.

Yes I am. Yes, I tried opera, dolphin, every single browser you can think of, there definetly is lag. If you cant spot it right on, go to a carrier store and access the same site on your atrix and on the SGS2. Try pocket now, its a heavy website, or stock youtube, or anything you can think of that contains lots of images and videos. The atrix isnt smooth by any standards.

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Yes I am. Yes, I tried opera, dolphin, every single browser you can think of, there definetly is lag. If you cant spot it right on, go to a carrier store and access the same site on your atrix and on the SGS2. Try pocket now, its a heavy website, or stock youtube, or anything you can think of that contains lots of images and videos. The atrix isnt smooth by any standards.
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I gotta agree the stock 2.2.2 sucks. I also believed (kinda) the phone was subpar for what it was marketed for.
A week ago, however, flashed 2.3.4 (When Int'l users got some serious love), and coupled with the newest Edgan kernel and Go Launcher Ex, I can tell you the difference is huge.
Maybe you could try that? I apologize beforehand if you already did, but couldn't tell.

Yes it becomes much, much speedier (I did those exact configs, golauncher ex, 2.3.4., OC kernel) but also much buggier. Battery life went to hell, it heated up constantly, and my phone would wake sometimes not recognizing my SIM card and screwing up my widgets.
I took off the OC kernel and left with stock 2.3.4, its still much faster than froyo, and it's, sadly, still behind the SGS2, for example. My comparison with the Galaxy is that it's the only other dual core superphone on Brazil for now.
Given, I didnt notice the difference until I personally compared the two, so i suggest this as a free-time enlightening endeavor to all Atrix owners. A bit depressing tough, but hey, out phone has a fingerprint sensor, the lapdock, and a much greater pixel density (which makes a hell of a lot of difference too, trust me).

If you're on froyo it's an unfair comparison.
Get on gingerbread and we'll talk.

The other phone is always better..... until you actually buy it. Then there's always gonna be a better phone just around the corner.
You can do one of two things
1) return/ sell your Atrix and get the GS2 or 2) stick with the Atrix and stop obsessing over lame benchmark scores. The Atrix is still one of the fastest Android phones on the market.

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If you're on froyo it's an unfair comparison.
Get on gingerbread and we'll talk.
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For the third frggin time, I'm on GB.
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For the third frggin time, I'm on GB.
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Ok then, I'm on GB as well. I get 3600 productivity and 2800 gaming on smartbench. I get ~24 hours of battery life (in use). The phone is never hot like it used to get on froyo.
I'm using edgans international kernel on 2.3.4 OrangeFR.
If you don't spend time on your phone, it will have issues. If you search around and are smart, you can run a flawless 2.3.4 atrix that beats GS2 in gaming, and almost matches it in productivity.
Its buttery smooth.

My god you really didnt read anything I wrote...
Im not talking about benching. Im not talking about problems with gaming, and I dont even wanna guess what you mean by "productivity". Im saying that scrolling up and down the same website in both phones side-by-side, the SGS2 wins by a large margin, and that until you've tried it personally, you may not feel any performance issues with ur Atrix.
The only exception to the gaming is Galaxy on Fire 2, which stutters on the Atrix, and I confirmed this on two models. Its a graphically heavy game, but its made for Tegra, and it stutters. Its one software, so Im not blaming this on the phone, just saying... This specific game doesnt even run on the Galaxy, for example...

Viamonte said:
My god you really didnt read anything I wrote...
Im not talking about benching. Im not talking about problems with gaming, and I dont even wanna guess what you mean by "productivity". Im saying that scrolling up and down the same website in both phones side-by-side, the SGS2 wins by a large margin, and that until you've tried it personally, you may not feel any performance issues with ur Atrix.
The only exception to the gaming is Galaxy on Fire 2, which stutters on the Atrix, and I confirmed this on two models. Its a graphically heavy game, but its made for Tegra, and it stutters. Its one software, so Im not blaming this on the phone, just saying... This specific game doesnt even run on the Galaxy, for example...
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The productivity benchmark portion of smartbench. Check it out.
I have absolutely no stutter in my dolphin web browser. I'm on the desktop version of youtube right now. Since you have a GS2 in your hands. Take a video comparing them. Make sure you install a fresh copy of cherryblur, redpill, or ninjarom before you compare. Kenn's beta and the OTA are a little buggy and bloated. There's no way that the atrix stutters. If it does, return yours. Mine doesn't.
Its a well known fact that game is gimmicky. Try out backbreaker THD, Riptide, pinball THD, samurai 2 vengeance, guerrilla bob, reckless racing.

Guys, SGS2 has a hardware-accelerated browser! It is bound to be smoother and faster than what we have on Atrix!

Yes my galaxy tab has the same graphics accelerated browser. Its ipad fast lol. Switch to dolphin and its slow again. Samsung are definitely baking gpu acceleration into stock browsers
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[Q] Atrix or Nexus S or wait for galaxy s2?

Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.

Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I've had a nexus s and it does not lag at all, neither does my atrix. Single core or dual core it doesn't seem to make a difference to me. In my experience the atrix has better battery life. As far as the screens go that's a matter of opinion, the samoled seems more vibrant but is utterly useless in sunlight. As much as I hate BLUR, I chose the atrix over the nexus s and once we have an AOSP Rom I will have no regrets whatsoever.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I had the nexus s, it wasn't much of an improvement over my custom rommed Captivate, so I took it back. I was also looking forward to the Galaxy S2's release in America, until I got Gingerbread on my Atrix. There is no way the GS2 will be a substantial improvement over my Atrix now.
The Motorola Atrix was voted as the best phone at CES, and with Gingerbread it lives up to those accolades. Froyo and the ridiculous price of the lapdock killed this phone's initial release.
Take a look at the top results on Smartbench 2011, there is a reason Samsung delayed the GS2's release and overclocked it to 1.2ghz. Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.

Dell2 said:
Once the Atrix gets overclocked to 1.5ghz, those top results will change.
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So will the battery life lol

Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.

Thewalrus0034 said:
Also, does the lack of NEON support make a difference for the average user?
EDIT: reread my post, thought I didn't include the question, reread it again, realized I did.
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I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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RogerPodacter said:
I was worried about lack of neon. But honestly it doesn't even matter at this point in time, apps don't even come close to making neon cpu make any difference whatsoever.
By the way, just got an atrix today! Found craigslist superb deal.
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If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.

I had nexus so and atrix together for two weeks. There is major performance difference between the two. Nexus s's 512 mb ram was the deal breaker for me, it was not enough. I think I'm spoiled by the 1gb ram.
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wintermute000 said:
If you want to play normal or hi profile x264 it does.
Really annoying to have to re-encode to baseline x264. For xxxx's sake this phone can push 3D pixels like Samurai Vengeance II but can't handle HD video encoding, WTF.
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Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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I really like my Atrix, but I would wait and see what the next Nexus phone will bring.

Atrix ftw, i think its best phone so far for me

Sinful Animosity said:
Saw a topic where someone played it with gingerbread, so no.
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well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)

I own both and I prefer the Atrix.
With an AOSP ROM this phone will scream.
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Thewalrus0034 said:
Yeah yeah, I've seen the similar threads but they're not up to date especially with gingerbread released. I'm due for an upgrade on the 26th and want to get a new phone before college in mid August. I've posted a similar forum excluding the nexus on the gs2 forum, but I want to hear the other side. I prefer the 4" screen, but also want to root and not have motoblur, and I hear the phone lags when you do that. I realize the nexus s is single core but are dual cores that much faster with current software? I like longer battery life and an led notfier since I'm coming from a blackberry Curve. Can anyone say how the screens compare, I've heard the pentile display is terrible, but have yet to see for myself. Finally I'm told that the atrix does not have neon support, is that a difference for the average user? Thanks in advance.
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I would stay away from the Nexus S. Ya, it's Raw Goog but the sub-par RAM, single core chip and cheap plastic construction just aren't worth it especially on a new contract.
I'm loving my Atrix on GB, rooted, de-blurred (Titanium freeze) and running Go Launcher EX. I experience no lag, web browser is lighting fast, GPS is the best I've experienced from a phone. That's my experience and opinion. Considering the timing of your upgrade I would suggest checking the SG2 out as it may be more to your liking. Some people like Sammy HW some don't (I personally hate it, especially their damn "Chin" design philosophy).
That said, you cannot go wrong with the Atrix, it's an excellent phone. I traded in my Inspire 4G at a loss and don't regret my decision one bit.
Oh, and DL/UL speed in Houston, TX I've been averaging 3.5mb down (6 max) and 1.3mb up (2.1 max). Inspire 4G never made it over 2.5 down (1 Ghz. w/ 768mb RAM). Atrix is on par with my friend's EVO 4G (Sprint WiMax, he avgs 2-3 but has a max he's gotten of 7 once) and another friend's T-Bolt (Verizon LTE, 5-6 avg and a max of 8). And yes processor and RAM do affect your up/down as it's partially determined by the amount of data your phone can process, another reason to stay away from the S at this point.

wintermute000 said:
well thats welcome news. I'll do some research. A really time consuming thing to investigate (encode, copy to phone, see if it plays, rinse and repeat)
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Might have been my thread. I apologize, but I was wrong. Even tough performance has increased substantially (from 8-10 fps to an average of 24) when playing high profile h.264, it still isnt perfectly smooth and, for some reason, the episodes of Game of Thrones were mute for me, which indicates a continuing lack of support to audio codecs. After converting it with the Handbrake method, it worked flawlessly.
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The Atrix and the SGS2 have different offerings. SGS2 has a standardly overclocked processor, a bigger, brighter screen, less weight, and a GPU accelerated browser. The Atrix has a much higher pixel density, better battery life, and a specialized game store (Nvidia Tegra Zone which, despite the lack of titles in numbers, the ones it DOES have possess highly improved graphics over standard versions).
And for many of us, it has a lapdock, which is a perfect netbook replacement if all you do is work with word, excel, and light web browsing, being lighter and having better battery life than many netbooks. Its also fun like hell to play at customizing it

I like the overall build with the Motorola Atrix, but without the GPU accelerated and NEON support, would I be at a significant hardware disadvantage for everyday use? I feel I wouldn't. Also, any complaints about the screen?

Okay. Opera provides a gpu accelerated browser that is blazing fast. The screen is really nice, but you may notice grainy greens.
Edit: oh, neon support isn't an issue, at least for me. Most of my videos can be played using moboplayer.
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The atrix also is not sized like a giant brick but weighing like a feather toy (the #1 reason I didn't go for the SGS2). Form factor wins for me. Not to mention in Australia, atrix is 150-200 dollars cheaper.
I would say though with froyo it is noticeably inferior. But that's no longer an issue, whether stock or unlock BL/custom ROM.

If you want a big screen and fast phone....sgs2, if you want sething new and try some mods atrix, if yu are a hard modder HD2
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Now that there's actual photos of the AT&T galaxy family, would anyone consider it a superior choice? I kinda like the idea of a physical keyboard but I'm used to portrait like on my blackberry.

For those that used it how laggy is it?

Just bought the Xperia Z and it is VERYYY Laggy. especially the transition animation. So considering that this phone uses the the same GPU i can expect similar performance then?

Trying it out in-store I found it juddered a bit scrolling in Polaris Office. Otherwise it seemed very smooth. But then again I found the XZ smooth too.

Isn't the Z on S4 pro?

itsmemuffins said:
Isn't the Z on S4 pro?
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It is. Faster CPU but same GPU.
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itsmemuffins said:
Isn't the Z on S4 pro?
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Yes, but they share the same GPU.

any lag will be casued by the sony skin software. the GPU is completely capable.
The nexus 4 using pure android never lags or stutters and is always buttery smooth. even my old galaxy nexus was soother than say a galaxy s3.

I know exactly what you are talking about, had Z for 2 days and was very disappointed. I agree that lags are caused by poor optimization done by sony, expecially sony's own launcher. After I switched to Nova Launcher, things were a lot better.

mark99uk said:
any lag will be casued by the sony skin software. the GPU is completely capable.
The nexus 4 using pure android never lags or stutters and is always buttery smooth. even my old galaxy nexus was soother than say a galaxy s3.
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I don't know about yours, but I don't think mine is 100% buttery smooth. Minimum apps installed (maybe like 6-7?) and widgets on home screen, but scrolling through apps/widgets drawer still seems a "little" bit from perfect.

do u mean when scrolling in the app draw and noticing a quick jitter as you scroll from the final page of apps to the first widget page?
if so, i get that, that i accostum to being a coding glitch simply because everything else is completely smooth. I had the same on my galaxy nexus too.

mark99uk said:
any lag will be casued by the sony skin software. the GPU is completely capable.
The nexus 4 using pure android never lags or stutters and is always buttery smooth. even my old galaxy nexus was soother than say a galaxy s3.
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Nexus 4 is 720 p whereas these phones are 1080p which has to push more than twice the amount of pixels.

zcui said:
I know exactly what you are talking about, had Z for 2 days and was very disappointed. I agree that lags are caused by poor optimization done by sony, expecially sony's own launcher. After I switched to Nova Launcher, things were a lot better.
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Not for me dude its maybe like 20% better? Still terrible and im hoping this phone would be better.

The stutterings are due to the skin optimization by the OEM eg. Sony here....Dont know about htcone but mostof the video and hands on have shown there is no lag.
Apart from that i would like to state that why is android (or OEM skins) still laggy? I mean we are on quads and octa cores, capable gpu and 2gb of ram...And yet its not as smooth as a windows or ios? And i dont want to hear the usual 'android does more multi tasking and widgets' discussion. Seriously how much more power u want?
I am saying this bcoz its sad to hear a fellow xda saying how dissapointed he was to get a brand new phone (for which he must be so excited) and then the lag puts him off.

Fasty12 said:
Just bought the Xperia Z and it is VERYYY Laggy. especially the transition animation. So considering that this phone uses the the same GPU i can expect similar performance then?
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Different CPU do help in different performance even though both same GPU. I was suprise when seen people mention Xperia Z was lagging, I seen everywhere people mention it. I never own any Sony (/SE) android phone as it always never meet my requirement in certain part especially the screen. But I am really surprise Xperia Z could lag! HTC Butterfly was completely same CPU + GPU, I test it before, it run perfectly smooth.
Xperia Z - Snapdragon S4 Pro
One - Snapdragon S600

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ethan3686 said:
The stutterings are due to the skin optimization by the OEM eg. Sony here....Dont know about htcone but mostof the video and hands on have shown there is no lag.
Apart from that i would like to state that why is android (or OEM skins) still laggy? I mean we are on quads and octa cores, capable gpu and 2gb of ram...And yet its not as smooth as a windows or ios? And i dont want to hear the usual 'android does more multi tasking and widgets' discussion. Seriously how much more power u want?
I am saying this bcoz its sad to hear a fellow xda saying how dissapointed he was to get a brand new phone (for which he must be so excited) and then the lag puts him off.
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Yea man im gutted welp guess the gs4 with its octa cpu have a chance.

used the htc one in store and it didnt lag a bit, even through blinkfeed which i would imagine is one of the most heavy of applications.
Hopefully the sony is just a bit of poorly written software and either sony or the devs can fix.
Still i think it will make a lot of peoples choice between the sony and htc very easy!

I had a play around with the Z a couple of weeks ago in a 3 store and found the pinch and zoom gestures very how can I say intermittent to say the least, it was fine scrolling left and right but any gestures took at least 2 or 3 attempts and on a flagship phone that is totally crap.
Best bet like another poster said is to put on a 3rd party launcher until sony fix the issue.

ethan3686 said:
The stutterings are due to the skin optimization by the OEM eg. Sony here....Dont know about htcone but mostof the video and hands on have shown there is no lag.
Apart from that i would like to state that why is android (or OEM skins) still laggy? I mean we are on quads and octa cores, capable gpu and 2gb of ram...And yet its not as smooth as a windows or ios? And i dont want to hear the usual 'android does more multi tasking and widgets' discussion. Seriously how much more power u want?
I am saying this bcoz its sad to hear a fellow xda saying how dissapointed he was to get a brand new phone (for which he must be so excited) and then the lag puts him off.
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+1 mate, really have no idea what the folks are doing at Google...
Stock android on my s3 lags when I have a few things running...seriously these CPUs are starting to reach speeds of my desktop PC....and I wonder why I can't make a day without recharging lol
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My gs3 lag with touchwiz i use temask rom now, its very good. Because of this i Dont buy the gs4. I give a chance tô HTC.
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daoutlawz said:
+1 mate, really have no idea what the folks are doing at Google...
Stock android on my s3 lags when I have a few things running...seriously these CPUs are starting to reach speeds of my desktop PC....and I wonder why I can't make a day without recharging lol
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That's because you have a horrible exynos SoC in your phone, which is all but impossible to dev for. This is the fault of Samsung alone...
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Fasty12 said:
Just bought the Xperia Z and it is VERYYY Laggy. especially the transition animation. So considering that this phone uses the the same GPU i can expect similar performance then?
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HTC One X with Tegra 3 and stock JB firmware, UI is locked 60fps
Droid DNA with Snapdragon 4 pro and stock JB firmware, UI is locked 60fps
HTC One is using a faster version of the DNA and Z processors, same but more optimized GPU and much lighter Sense UI, all reviewers noted the UI is liquid smooth and brisk
Since JB HTC's UI has been locked 60fps in 90% of the OS areas, they've implemented google's project butter in full fashion