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Your thoughts on the unsmooth graphics?

Why is the GUI interface and overall graphics on the Atrix so unsmooth? I'm assuming the cause is the large resolution, and maybe a crappy LCD screen? I'm thinking its more the LCD screen. Since my iPhone 4 has a resolution close to if not the same as the Atrix, and has a PowerVR GPU one model lower than my Samsung Captivate, and its 10x smother than my Atrix. Just don't understand why you would build a phone with so much power and screw it up with an under par LCD screen. What are your thoughts?
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I believe it's because atrix lacks proper software optimizations which motorola is too lazy to provide.

Meh.... If you look at quadrant advance - lets assume its accurate and not argue for a sec
The tegra 2 doesnt have the greatest 2D performance - in fact quite low...

...what are you talking about? I've never seen any unsmoothness on my Atrix, except in the Gallery app when zooming in on high res photos. Everywhere else, its far smoother than my 3rd gen iPod touch, which itself was no slouch.
That said, I use launcher pro instead of Motoblur, so maybe that has something to do with it.

Jotokun said:
...what are you talking about? I've never seen any unsmoothness on my Atrix, except in the Gallery app when zooming in on high res photos. Everywhere else, its far smoother than my 3rd gen iPod touch, which itself was no slouch.
That said, I use launcher pro instead of Motoblur, so maybe that has something to do with it.
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I noticed choppyness with live wallpapers. Also, when i first open the keyboard to type, the first couple of letters don't register so i have to retype that all again.

I think... WHYWHYWHYWHYWHY?!
I mean single core phones run smoother wtf =/
the lwp lag really gets me =/

Motoblur...

Froyo doesn't have gpu acceleration for the ui, or so I've been told. It's far worse on other phones. When gingerbread comes out you'll see a significant difference.
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Meets34 said:
Motoblur...
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Motoblows...

amwbt said:
Why is the GUI interface and overall graphics on the Atrix so unsmooth? I'm assuming the cause is the large resolution, and maybe a crappy LCD screen? I'm thinking its more the LCD screen. Since my iPhone 4 has a resolution close to if not the same as the Atrix, and has a PowerVR GPU one model lower than my Samsung Captivate, and its 10x smother than my Atrix. Just don't understand why you would build a phone with so much power and screw it up with an under par LCD screen. What are your thoughts?
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I'm coming from Windows Mobile, so everything on Atrix looks smooth to me
But seriously, I think it may be a combination of the GUI not being hardware accelerated and whatever software/widgets you've got running in the background.
It's definitely not butter smooth, but it isn't that bad either.

Use a third party launcher, and freeze out the Motoblur stuff. I was also really disappointed when I first saw general navigation around the GUI and saw how choppy it was. Try Launcher Pro, or Go Launcher Ex and get rid of all the preinstalled crapware. It makes all the difference and you'll be much happier with performance.

Android 2.3 and below do not have any hardware acceleration. Your iPhone has tons of hardware acceleration to make it feel faster (when it's not)
My Atrix feels fast.

I'm also coming from a Samsung Captivate which is crap tons smoother. Its not cause of the launcher, nor the lack of hardware acceleration in froyo. It does it with all the launchers. I'm probably just spoiled with my Captivate.
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live wallpaper lag.. really annoys me but then it reminds me how much battery I waste with it enabled and it makes me turn it off again ASAP

Its because the Tegra 2 sucks at everything but playing douchy Tegra Zone games. In other words your SOC was built by a graphics company. So 3d rendering is great but 2d and everything else sucks. Great GPU, very sad and not optimized CPU. I doubt gingerbread will help that much. Sorry guys
Edit: I'm no fanboy but my thunderbolt runs buttery smooth at everything and I run multi pic live wallpaper with 7, count it 7 different wallpapers and the 3d cube transition effect. This is with sense and at least one widget on every screen, most have two.
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wtf?? do you know ehat you are talking? Do you see xoom or Lg optimus x2, they also have tegra 2 and they all have smoth graphics.....motorola atrix have problemes....not tegra 2

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Its because the Tegra 2 sucks at everything but playing douchy Tegra Zone games. In other words your SOC was built by a graphics company. So 3d rendering is great but 2d and everything else sucks. Great GPU, very sad and not optimized CPU. I doubt gingerbread will help that much. Sorry guys
Edit: I'm no fanboy but my thunderbolt runs buttery smooth at everything and I run multi pic live wallpaper with 7, count it 7 different wallpapers and the 3d cube transition effect. This is with sense and at least one widget on every screen, most have two.
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The thunderturd is an evo with lipstick.

The graphics are not even potentially shown...
Tegra 2 uses a different processing post. Therefor showing a weaker performance on 3D and 2D processing...
Just chill and relax. Enjoy the phone a bit more. Don't expect it to make you breakfast either.

Exador said:
The thunderturd is an evo with lipstick.
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Lmao!
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Its funny yall start dissing on the thunderbolt when I didn't bash the Atrix at all. Everything I said was aimed at the Tegra 2. Then I gave an example of a single core phone that runs way smoother than the Tegra 2 and most likely why that is. I just posted an explanation referring to the topic of this thread. Honeycomb uses some better hardware acceleration so the Tegra does do better on HC but it won't come close to the TI, snapdragon, or hummingbird dual core processors.
But clearly I'm talking to some serious fanboys here so there is no point in trying to state facts.
Edit: As far as the evo with lipstick comment goes I dont see what sense that makes considering the thunderbolt has more RAM and the msm8655 which is a huge leap in speed and efficiency from the processor in the evo.
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Atrix.....super fast but super slow 2D performance.

I know im going to get flamed, however I don't understand how we could have such a powerful phone with the slowest 2D and sub-par performance 3D (unless its a TegraZone game)? Yes the phone is super fast, but it has a superior GPU that can't even to 2D well. NVIDIA has said that the low benchmarks are do to the benchmarking software not taking advantage of the tegra's 3D capabilities. Yet they are all based on OpenGL ES. Which is a standard that any GPU made for android should support fully. 2D should have been mastered way before 3D was. Also, to say its the resolution being so high, again this GPU (not quite as powerful as its desktop version) was powering way higher resolutions than that of the Atrix. Also, let's not forget where NVIDIA started, they pretty much made OpenGL what it is today.
I just wanted to get that off my chest. I have the Atrix and love the speed. I just can't get past the fact that my single core captivate with its PowerVR 540 has better performance in 2D and 3D out-of-the-box. Fluid motion across the entire phone.
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my understanding is that android is not optimized for dual core cpus as of right now. also correct me if i am wrong but the ui is not gpu accelerated because of the multitude of hardware android has to be compatible with? although things like the stock launcher are hardware accelerated and run quite nicely. (although are incompatible because of our high screen resolution) expect better performance in the coming future. i also have a honeycomb tablet with similar hardware. the ui is all hardware accelerated and it is smooth as can be. i would expect phones will catch up as we get closer to ice-cream sandwich.

gh123man said:
my understanding is that android is not optimized for dual core cpus as of right now. also correct me if i am wrong but the ui is not gpu accelerated because of the multitude of hardware android has to be compatible with? although things like the stock launcher are hardware accelerated and run quite nicely. (although are incompatible because of our high screen resolution) expect better performance in the coming future. i also have a honeycomb tablet with similar hardware. the ui is all hardware accelerated and it is smooth as can be. i would expect phones will catch up as we get closer to ice-cream sandwich.
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I hope so. Just hope Motorola provides us with an ice-cream sandwich.
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Can we see these benchmarks? If you test the phone on smartbench (which uses opengl graphics) the ATRIX scores higher than the sgs2... so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

I don't know what you are talking about. Are you one of those people that still believes the PowerVR 540 does 90m polygons/s???
I don't see any slow down in any game, 3d or 2d and that's pushing way more pixels.

Not in games, but web browsing and scrolling can be awsomelly crappy on the atrix, thats true. And Galaxy on Fire 2, for example, does lag.
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i got this phone with the full understanding that the software was not optimized for dual core cpus. im expecting it to get better. (from looking at honeycomb the future is bright)

Android Software can take advantage of both processing cores, its a matter of if the application supports it.

Viamonte said:
Not in games, but web browsing and scrolling can be awsomelly crappy on the atrix, thats true. And Galaxy on Fire 2, for example, does lag.
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Are you on 2.3.4?
Also, web browser lag is a software issue. Download dolphin web browser. Theres no lag there.

Yes I am. Yes, I tried opera, dolphin, every single browser you can think of, there definetly is lag. If you cant spot it right on, go to a carrier store and access the same site on your atrix and on the SGS2. Try pocket now, its a heavy website, or stock youtube, or anything you can think of that contains lots of images and videos. The atrix isnt smooth by any standards.

Viamonte said:
Yes I am. Yes, I tried opera, dolphin, every single browser you can think of, there definetly is lag. If you cant spot it right on, go to a carrier store and access the same site on your atrix and on the SGS2. Try pocket now, its a heavy website, or stock youtube, or anything you can think of that contains lots of images and videos. The atrix isnt smooth by any standards.
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I gotta agree the stock 2.2.2 sucks. I also believed (kinda) the phone was subpar for what it was marketed for.
A week ago, however, flashed 2.3.4 (When Int'l users got some serious love), and coupled with the newest Edgan kernel and Go Launcher Ex, I can tell you the difference is huge.
Maybe you could try that? I apologize beforehand if you already did, but couldn't tell.

Yes it becomes much, much speedier (I did those exact configs, golauncher ex, 2.3.4., OC kernel) but also much buggier. Battery life went to hell, it heated up constantly, and my phone would wake sometimes not recognizing my SIM card and screwing up my widgets.
I took off the OC kernel and left with stock 2.3.4, its still much faster than froyo, and it's, sadly, still behind the SGS2, for example. My comparison with the Galaxy is that it's the only other dual core superphone on Brazil for now.
Given, I didnt notice the difference until I personally compared the two, so i suggest this as a free-time enlightening endeavor to all Atrix owners. A bit depressing tough, but hey, out phone has a fingerprint sensor, the lapdock, and a much greater pixel density (which makes a hell of a lot of difference too, trust me).

If you're on froyo it's an unfair comparison.
Get on gingerbread and we'll talk.

The other phone is always better..... until you actually buy it. Then there's always gonna be a better phone just around the corner.
You can do one of two things
1) return/ sell your Atrix and get the GS2 or 2) stick with the Atrix and stop obsessing over lame benchmark scores. The Atrix is still one of the fastest Android phones on the market.

Magnetox said:
If you're on froyo it's an unfair comparison.
Get on gingerbread and we'll talk.
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For the third frggin time, I'm on GB.
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Viamonte said:
For the third frggin time, I'm on GB.
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Ok then, I'm on GB as well. I get 3600 productivity and 2800 gaming on smartbench. I get ~24 hours of battery life (in use). The phone is never hot like it used to get on froyo.
I'm using edgans international kernel on 2.3.4 OrangeFR.
If you don't spend time on your phone, it will have issues. If you search around and are smart, you can run a flawless 2.3.4 atrix that beats GS2 in gaming, and almost matches it in productivity.
Its buttery smooth.

My god you really didnt read anything I wrote...
Im not talking about benching. Im not talking about problems with gaming, and I dont even wanna guess what you mean by "productivity". Im saying that scrolling up and down the same website in both phones side-by-side, the SGS2 wins by a large margin, and that until you've tried it personally, you may not feel any performance issues with ur Atrix.
The only exception to the gaming is Galaxy on Fire 2, which stutters on the Atrix, and I confirmed this on two models. Its a graphically heavy game, but its made for Tegra, and it stutters. Its one software, so Im not blaming this on the phone, just saying... This specific game doesnt even run on the Galaxy, for example...

Viamonte said:
My god you really didnt read anything I wrote...
Im not talking about benching. Im not talking about problems with gaming, and I dont even wanna guess what you mean by "productivity". Im saying that scrolling up and down the same website in both phones side-by-side, the SGS2 wins by a large margin, and that until you've tried it personally, you may not feel any performance issues with ur Atrix.
The only exception to the gaming is Galaxy on Fire 2, which stutters on the Atrix, and I confirmed this on two models. Its a graphically heavy game, but its made for Tegra, and it stutters. Its one software, so Im not blaming this on the phone, just saying... This specific game doesnt even run on the Galaxy, for example...
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The productivity benchmark portion of smartbench. Check it out.
I have absolutely no stutter in my dolphin web browser. I'm on the desktop version of youtube right now. Since you have a GS2 in your hands. Take a video comparing them. Make sure you install a fresh copy of cherryblur, redpill, or ninjarom before you compare. Kenn's beta and the OTA are a little buggy and bloated. There's no way that the atrix stutters. If it does, return yours. Mine doesn't.
Its a well known fact that game is gimmicky. Try out backbreaker THD, Riptide, pinball THD, samurai 2 vengeance, guerrilla bob, reckless racing.

Guys, SGS2 has a hardware-accelerated browser! It is bound to be smoother and faster than what we have on Atrix!

Yes my galaxy tab has the same graphics accelerated browser. Its ipad fast lol. Switch to dolphin and its slow again. Samsung are definitely baking gpu acceleration into stock browsers
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Samsung Galaxy Note - Performance Not Up to Scratch

I've had my Samsung Note for the last month and whilst I'm happy with it I cannot help but grumble about it's speed/response even when used on different launchers...
Though it runs ok it can be slow from time to time especially when suddenly unlocking it and opening your contacts or messages. This results in a few second delay.
Also when scrolling up/down through contacts/settings menu it's jerky, not smooth.
When comparing it to my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which has a single core 1GHz cpu & 512Mb of ram it is miles faster and 100% smooth in every possible way compared to my Note. You'd expect the Note to be faster than The Sony Ericsson Xperia.
Why is a much lower spec phone much faster & smoother than my Note?

kanej2006 said:
I've had my Samsung Note for the last month and whilst I'm happy with it I cannot help but grumble about it's speed/response even when used on different launchers...
Though it runs ok it can be slow from time to time especially when suddenly unlocking it and opening your contacts or messages. This results in a few second delay.
Also when scrolling up/down through contacts/settings menu it's jerky, not smooth.
When comparing it to my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which has a single core 1GHz cpu & 512Mb of ram it is miles faster and 100% smooth in every possible way compared to my Note. You'd expect the Note to be faster than The Sony Ericsson Xperia.
Why is a much lower spec phone much faster & smoother than my Note?
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You might think on that the Note has almost three times the pixelamount to shuffle around compared to a SE Play

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You might think on that the Note has almost three times the pixelamount to shuffle around compared to a SE Play
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That's true but then why make an underpowered phone which then results in lag & sluggishness?
Samsung should of increased the ram & cpu to solve this issue...
I know the SE has far less pixelmounts to shuffle but it's still bad considering a phone having just 512mb ram and a single core 1GHz processor destroy a phone having almost double the ram & a dual core processor.
I would of least expected it to be of a similar speed but it's lagging far behind.
The ONLY areas in which My Samsung Note beats my SE in tems of speed are:
Internet/browsing
Going through photos/zooming in/out
Aside from these 2 points the Note is far slower in every possible way. I hope the upcoming icecream sandwich can solve these issues...
I've seen several people running the proper official version of ice cream sandwich as standard on their Samsung Galaxy Nexus and their saying it's a HUGE & NOTICABLE difference compared to the previous version of Android.
I hope the same can be said when the Note gets it's upgrade!

kanej2006 said:
I've had my Samsung Note for the last month and whilst I'm happy with it I cannot help but grumble about it's speed/response even when used on different launchers...
Though it runs ok it can be slow from time to time especially when suddenly unlocking it and opening your contacts or messages. This results in a few second delay.
Also when scrolling up/down through contacts/settings menu it's jerky, not smooth.
When comparing it to my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which has a single core 1GHz cpu & 512Mb of ram it is miles faster and 100% smooth in every possible way compared to my Note. You'd expect the Note to be faster than The Sony Ericsson Xperia.
Why is a much lower spec phone much faster & smoother than my Note?
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This sounds like an individual problem. For if the Note was faulty as described then it would have been noticed by the 80% in the poll here who like me think the note is pretty perfect.

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You might think on that the Note has almost three times the pixelamount to shuffle around compared to a SE Play
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that is not an answer........note also has dual core prossesor wid more speed and double ram.....so whatever may b d reason, it should not b slow or laggy.....
Reason is not pixel or hardware, its software......
Gingerbread is not optimised for this, it is not utilising the power of note fully. just wait for ICS to come

katyarevishal said:
that is not an answer........note also has dual core prossesor wid more speed and double ram.....so whatever may b d reason, it should not b slow or laggy.....
Reason is not pixel or hardware, its software......
Gingerbread is not optimised for this, it is not utilising the power of note fully. just wait for ICS to come
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Of course it has do with the pixels also. My SGS II was way smoother than the Note even though it has been better with KL7 rom. And the difference between them is that the Note has three times more pixels wich the higher clocked CPU cant make up to. And SE are known to have on of the fastest launchers of all the Android makers. Much quicker than Touchwiz

Gaugerer said:
This sounds like an individual problem. For if the Note was faulty as described then it would have been noticed by the 80% in the poll here who like me think the note is pretty perfect.
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Could be. The strangest thing is that MOST other launchers I've tried are worse and lag. Examples are ADW Launcher, Go Launcher and even the Ice Cream Sandwich Launcher...
The ONLY launcher that runs quite well is Launcher Pro Plus which runs slightly quicker than the stock touchwiz.
When trying Windows 7 Launcher it didn't work period, the home screen shakes up/down when trying to scroll...
Hopefully the next update should fix my problems. I am hoping Ice Cream Sandwich will resolve ALL my issues!
katyarevishal said:
that is not an answer........note also has dual core prossesor wid more speed and double ram.....so whatever may b d reason, it should not b slow or laggy.....
Reason is not pixel or hardware, its software......
Gingerbread is not optimised for this, it is not utilising the power of note fully. just wait for ICS to come
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Thanks for backing me up. I fully agree 100% that Gingerbread has NOT been properly optimized to make full use of the Note, unfortunately...
The Note was made for ICS and as you also mentioned I hope ICS gives us an even better and faster Note.

This must bean individual problem. For if the Note was faulty as described then why isn't it a problem for every Note user?

Gaugerer said:
This must bean individual problem. For if the Note was faulty as described then why isn't it a problem for every Note user?
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I've read many posts on this very forum with people grumbling about lag and smoothness...

kanej2006 said:
I've read many posts on this very forum with people grumbling about lag and smoothness...
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That doesn't answer my question. If the Note is faulty then why doesn't everyone have the problem?

Try rocet rom defosnappy like sg2 freeze apps u dont need wifi sharing etc
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Why don't you flash a custom ROM
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Gaugerer said:
That doesn't answer my question. If the Note is faulty then why doesn't everyone have the problem?
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Because people doesn't see a problem on the same issues or doesn't have noticed at all custom brightness on high never used the phone on low light places. Never played a dark video, using Samsung wallpaper. Never where on forums to read about the problems. My phone didn't have a pink spot on camera till I headed about it and reproduced low light with white paper on macro shot, and there was a pink spot, used flash on same pic no pink spot same conditions. Simple if you don't know it isn't there
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kanej2006 said:
I've had my Samsung Note for the last month and whilst I'm happy with it I cannot help but grumble about it's speed/response even when used on different launchers...
Though it runs ok it can be slow from time to time especially when suddenly unlocking it and opening your contacts or messages. This results in a few second delay.
Also when scrolling up/down through contacts/settings menu it's jerky, not smooth.
When comparing it to my Sony Ericsson Xperia Play which has a single core 1GHz cpu & 512Mb of ram it is miles faster and 100% smooth in every possible way compared to my Note. You'd expect the Note to be faster than The Sony Ericsson Xperia.
Why is a much lower spec phone much faster & smoother than my Note?
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Coming from the gtab 10.1, adw launcher was recommended to get rid of slight home screen lag, which it did.
So I threw up adw launcher on my note, and it is definitely slower than stock twlauncher.
Kinda strange.

Well, adding more RAM won't make it more responsive, and it is already running the fastest dual core SoC on the market. So spec wise there is not much Samsung can do. Maybe in a few months when quad core SoC becomes mainstream it will release a Note 2 with quad core SoC.
My dad has a Note and I do feel that my Galaxy Nexus is more responsive. Given that the resolutions on the two are similar, I think after the ICS update the Note will run smoother overall. That is of course assuming that the new version of TouchWiz won't screw the phone up.
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That doesn't answer my question. If the Note is faulty then why doesn't everyone have the problem?
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Since when did I mention anything about the Note being faulty?
I simply said it is not performing as well as it should and most people will agree with me.
You are the one who implied that my Note is faulty, not me.
There is nothing wrong with my Note apart from it's sluggish performance.
Many other users on this forum have opened up threads with regards to performance issues as well as methods of trying to speed the Note up.
If you go through the first few pages of the Galaxy Note General section you will see several threads with forums regarding input lag, slowness & other response issues...
As katyarevishal kindly explained ONE big reason for the lag/slow downs of the Note is due to the high pixel density of the screen.
Aside from the pixel density the Note's performance is let down because of Gingerbread and it's poor optimization.
Last but not least, WHY do you think so many people are counting down the days and looking forward to the release of Ice Cream Sandwich?
Simple, because they are hoping it will solve issues many of which I've already mentioned, mainly the lag and the fact it's not running as smoothly as it should.

kanej2006 said:
Since when did I mention anything about the Note being faulty?
I simply said it is not performing as well as it should and most people will agree with me.
You are the one who implied that my Note is faulty, not me.
There is nothing wrong with my Note apart from it's sluggish performance.
Many other users on this forum have opened up threads with regards to performance issues as well as methods of trying to speed the Note up.
If you go through the first few pages of the Galaxy Note General section you will see several threads with forums regarding input lag, slowness & other response issues...
As katyarevishal kindly explained ONE big reason for the lag/slow downs of the Note is due to the high pixel density of the screen.
Aside from the pixel density the Note's performance is let down because of Gingerbread and it's poor optimization.
Last but not least, WHY do you think so many people are counting down the days and looking forward to the release of Ice Cream Sandwich?
Simple, because they are hoping it will solve issues many of which I've already mentioned, mainly the lag and the fact it's not running as smoothly as it should.
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Polls here show 80% of owners have no issues with the Note, get real.

Gaugerer said:
Polls here show 80% of owners have no issues with the Note, get real.
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I don't think it is the same if you say having issues and the phone has some issues. As I said before my phone has issues I don't have with the phone. They will get fixed some day
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Gaugerer said:
Polls here show 80% of owners have no issues with the Note, get real.
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Polls here show: Out of the people who TOOK THE POLL, 80% of them have no issues.
Here is the poll you mentioned:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=7143
Sample size of 139 people.
80% which you have claimed have no issues = 111 individuals without problems.
This is not considering poll bias, skewed data, and other extra factors.
80% of Note users here on xda and 111 individuals who own a note here on xda are TWO different things.
So stop going around posting your canned 'it must be an individual problem, 80% of users love it, galaxy note is not faulty' responses and try to say something useful.
I can't tell if you're a troll, a horribly misguided fellow who doesn't understand how internet polls works, or just a terrible marketing intern

Well said aigoya, never did I say the Note was a bad device, only that it's performance was slightly sluggish and it's not performing as it should.
It's performance is being held back due to Gingerbread & will hopefully perform better in everyway when Ice Cream Sandwich is released, that's what many of us are hoping for.
I'm very happy with my Note in every other aspect.
As for Gaugerer I have no idea why he is having a go at me. We are here to discuss, help & trouble shoot, not troll and misguide others...

IPhone VS Android

Hey guys, I know its kind of a stupid thing to start a thread on so just spear with me
In 2009 I had an iPhone 3GS. Its was the latest iPhone in 2009 and was super fast. No lags on opening apps, closing apps, multitasking, scrolling screen and stuff like that. It was 99% LAGFREE. Games worked wonderful. I'm a big fan of hacking, so I jailbroke the iPhone and it still remained smooth and fast. For those who don't know, iPhone 3GS has a 779mhz CPU (apple clocked it down to 600mhz to prevent battery drains and other instabilities) and only 256mb ram. Now I have an international version of galaxy S that is clocked to 1.3 GHZ that has a 512 MB of RAM and believe me its slower than the iPhone. I just want to know what is wrong with our phones? Does apple use some magic superpowers on their devices? Opening apps lags, closing apps lags the home screen scrolling for some time, there are frequent crashing due to low RAM, there's lags in browser :S the music player lacks things as filtering of files, it has a worse reception than the iPhone 3gs. GPS is not goood. Even typing is sometimes laggy... the new jellybean made it a lil more like an iPhone due to its 60hz refresh rate and triple buffering but it still lags. Can you guys give me your opinions on this and stuff? Again I'm not trying to complain, I'm just wondering how could this be possible.
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I agree.Ios has more stability then android in os side... But who cares? Personally if i wpuld buy an iphone,i would definetly get bored after 1 month BECAUSE the same ui on everu ios version! Also i am not talking about screen sizes...
Actually i dunno what to say if someonr give me an iphone free i would use it
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Apple can optimize their software for the iPhone because the iPhone is the only phone with iOS whereas the Android OS is on hundreds of devices with very diverse hardware. But today's modern android phones IMO takes a big dookie on iOS (Galaxy S3, HTC One X, etc.) & Android is only improving
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Apple can optimize their software for the iPhone because the iPhone is the only phone with iOS whereas the Android OS is on hundreds of devices with very diverse hardware. But today's modern android phones IMO takes a big dookie on iOS (Galaxy S3, HTC One X, etc.) & Android is only improving
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I know they're kinda improving with the new JELLYBEAN with butter and stuff, but now most of them don't support old devices like the most powerful galaxy S xD
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Well, as far as I know the UI of Android is rendered by the CPU and not by the GPU (who actually should render the UI).
You can compare that with a Windows PC where you want to play Battlefield 3 just with your CPU and not with the GPU.
Chew DZ said it right: Apple has only one Phone to improve. They know the exact Hardware and can improve the software upon this device. But Android is mainly developed by Google. And Google doen't know what Hardware the phones have Android runs on. They only know, that they must have a CPU, so in the beginning they told Android to render its UI on the CPU and not on the GPU.
Currently Google changes this. Project Butter renders the UI on the GPU, if there is one in the phone. That's why Jelly Bean is so much smoother than any other previous Android version.
Jelly Bean can also be installed on our Galaxy S, but Samsung wants us to buy newer phones, like the Galaxy S3. Therfore they won't invest time and money to develop a Jelly Bean version for the Galaxy S. But as soon as CM10 is stable, you can enjoy the pure Jelly Bean power on your Galaxy S.

Knobibrot said:
Well, as far as I know the UI of Android is rendered by the CPU and not by the GPU (who actually should render the UI).
You can compare that with a Windows PC where you want to play Battlefield 3 just with your CPU and not with the GPU.
Chew DZ said it right: Apple has only one Phone to improve. They know the exact Hardware and can improve the software upon this device. But Android is mainly developed by Google. And Google doen't know what Hardware the phones have Android runs on. They only know, that they must have a CPU, so in the beginning they told Android to render its UI on the CPU and not on the GPU.
Currently Google changes this. Project Butter renders the UI on the GPU, if there is one in the phone. That's why Jelly Bean is so much smoother than any other previous Android version.
Jelly Bean can also be installed on our Galaxy S, but Samsung wants us to buy newer phones, like the Galaxy S3. Therfore they won't invest time and money to develop a Jelly Bean version for the Galaxy S. But as soon as CM10 is stable, you can enjoy the pure Jelly Bean power on your Galaxy S.
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Oooooh so then its all about rendering? I didn't think the UI was rendered by the CPU... Plus this still doesn't answer the RAM starving of the apps... I think some edition of app priorities and such could improve things...
EDIT: as you said apple has only one phone, why can't the Android device manufacturers like Samsung or Sony Ericson improve their hardware according to the android software like apple does? Google could communicate with the device companies about new releases and changes to the OS so that the manufacturers would consider it and tweak their devices hardware
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Hey guys, I know its kind of a stupid thing to start a thread on so just spear with me
In 2009 I had an iPhone 3GS. Its was the latest iPhone in 2009 and was super fast. No lags on opening apps, closing apps, multitasking, scrolling screen and stuff like that. It was 99% LAGFREE. Games worked wonderful. I'm a big fan of hacking, so I jailbroke the iPhone and it still remained smooth and fast. For those who don't know, iPhone 3GS has a 779mhz CPU (apple clocked it down to 600mhz to prevent battery drains and other instabilities) and only 256mb ram. Now I have an international version of galaxy S that is clocked to 1.3 GHZ that has a 512 MB of RAM and believe me its slower than the iPhone. I just want to know what is wrong with our phones? Does apple use some magic superpowers on their devices? Opening apps lags, closing apps lags the home screen scrolling for some time, there are frequent crashing due to low RAM, there's lags in browser :S the music player lacks things as filtering of files, it has a worse reception than the iPhone 3gs. GPS is not goood. Even typing is sometimes laggy... the new jellybean made it a lil more like an iPhone due to its 60hz refresh rate and triple buffering but it still lags. Can you guys give me your opinions on this and stuff? Again I'm not trying to complain, I'm just wondering how could this be possible.
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Yeah Sure, iPhone is more stable than Android.
But If we will not root our android then android is stable & good compared to iPhone.
Galaxy S is cheaper than iPhone that's it's slow.
Major Problems starts when we try to root our Android & Install custom roms. But I like android because I like Custom Roms & More Setting in my phone.
In Short, price of iPhone 4s and Galaxy S3 is same. Galaxy S3 has double GHz processor than iPhone 4S.
So I don't think that Galaxy S3 is slower than iPhone 4S.

I have iphone 4 and galaxy s i9000. I cant see multitasking on iphone as you mentioned. When I start to download something from browser and open another application sametime, downloading stops or IOS pauses one app to function another. Obviously one at a time is faster,
Anyway, my galaxy s with overclocked upto 1200 Mhz is faster then iphone 4.
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I have had every Iphone version, and i have had a galaxy ace and currently have an S. The S stock is about the same performance as my iphone 4, but Apple doesn't enable true multitasking by default. Ios backgrounds apps, and Android does as well. The ace I had was almost the same performance as my 3gs, which is my back up phone at the moment. My S stock was about the same as my 4, but overclocked it makes my 4 look slow and laggy. If the iphone is jailbroke, which all mine are, you can enable multitasking. Its a personal preference, my wife uses the ios devices, I use the android stuff. I like being able to download something through the browser and open up another app, which is where multitasking shines. My wife just does one thing at a time.

manvi111 said:
But If we will not root our android then android is stable & good compared to iPhone.
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Major Problems starts when we try to root our Android & Install custom roms. But I like android because I like Custom Roms & More Setting in my phone.
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If that is your experience, you're using the wrong CustomRoms. Samsung Roms are crap.. sorry for this, but they blow up the rom with unnecessary stuff. (have you ever used Layer??)
Darkyy was the first to release a Samsung based CustomRom that runs smooth and fast.
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Oooooh so then its all about rendering? I didn't think the UI was rendered by the CPU... Plus this still doesn't answer the RAM starving of the apps... I think some edition of app priorities and such could improve things...
EDIT: as you said apple has only one phone, why can't the Android device manufacturers like Samsung or Sony Ericson improve their hardware according to the android software like apple does? Google could communicate with the device companies about new releases and changes to the OS so that the manufacturers would consider it and tweak their devices hardware
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The lags you experience are mostly UI lags. And yes of cause this does not answer the RAM thing. But as mentioned before: Android has true multitasking. Therefore the apps use more RAM and more CPU power = RAM starving + lags.
Samsung does work together with Google to ensure good performance BUT only on Nexus devices. The Nexus S e.g. is almost the same as the Galaxy S, it just does not have TouchWiz. Look up the Nexus S forum to see, that this devices does not have any lag-issues. Same with Galaxy Nexus. They don't work with Google on any other devices because 1. that costs a lot of money and 2. Samsung doesn't want to be the company that always needs Google to improve there devices.

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If that is your experience, you're using the wrong CustomRoms. Samsung Roms are crap.. sorry for this, but they blow up the rom with unnecessary stuff. (have you ever used Layer??)
Darkyy was the first to release a Samsung based CustomRom that runs smooth and fast.
The lags you experience are mostly UI lags. And yes of cause this does not answer the RAM thing. But as mentioned before: Android has true multitasking. Therefore the apps use more RAM and more CPU power = RAM starving + lags.
Samsung does work together with Google to ensure good performance BUT only on Nexus devices. The Nexus S e.g. is almost the same as the Galaxy S, it just does not have TouchWiz. Look up the Nexus S forum to see, that this devices does not have any lag-issues. Same with Galaxy Nexus. They don't work with Google on any other devices because 1. that costs a lot of money and 2. Samsung doesn't want to be the company that always needs Google to improve there devices.
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Sammmy ROMs became fast in the newer versions...it's already enough to delete the bloatware, and you can already say that they're as fast as ICS/JB.

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Nexus 4 Input Lag

Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)

schnip said:
Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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It uses the same new technology as the iPhone 5 which brings the touchpanel closer to the front glass meaning responsiveness should be significantly better. It's called In-Cell Touch display if you want to Google it.

You'll get a real answer when the phone comes out. Or check video reviews. We know as much as you do at this point.

Thanks for the answers enviii and ralexand!
The thing is, this input lag issue is very rarely adressed. It seems to me as if most poeple dont even notice it. It may be that im kinda picky there but its definitely a very important feature for me...

As the device has been released I would appreciate someone talking about the mentioned issue, who actually posseses the phone.

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It uses the same new technology as the iPhone 5 which brings the touchpanel closer to the front glass meaning responsiveness should be significantly better. It's called In-Cell Touch display if you want to Google it.
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lol... that's just not true. It helps viewing angles, but has absolutely no effect on responsiveness.

The thing is, It could be or could not be,I think its just what peoples definition of smoothness and response is. Never know until the phones out. IMO
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The thing is, It could be or could not be,I think its just what peoples definition of smoothness and response is. Never know until the phones out. IMO
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Well for me the scale is definitely the iphone. (even still the 3G when scrolling homescreens) Also top notch Windows Phones offer very good responsiveness.

schnip said:
Hey Guys,
ever since i use Android im kind of annoyed by the responsiveness of the tochscreen. Even with state of the art smartphones like the S3 (ICS version) there is substantial lag. (compared for instance to an iphone)
I was really excited when JellyBean was announced because as it seems, it addresses the issue.
However when i tried an S3 with JellyBean i still felt the lag.
My question is whether the Nexus 4 actually matches the Iphone in responsiveness.
(I do not mean the stuttering when opening for instance the app drawer, i mean the pure relation of the finger touching the device and the quickness of the response of the device.)
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I guess it would be better for you to stay with iPhone.

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iPhone relies on a system that basically delivers all or much of the available resources to the graphical interface when scrolling, which slows down or stops whatever else the phone is doing at the time (ie stops loading a web page when you start scrolling or momentarily pauses a download). This, along with a very strong GPU, is much of the reason for the smooth interface. (note: this info was taken from an interview with a Google employee, probably about a year or less ago. Could be outdated, but I believe it's still true...)
4.1 ramped up graphics rendering FPS to 60fps. This, a long with a strong GPU, S4 Pro processor and (mainly) 2 gigs of ram should result in an incredibly smooth UI. Also, the curved glass on the edges of the screen have been noted to give a much smoother feel to scrolling, whether it's a placebo effect or not will just have to be determined over time.
Long story short...yeah, this thing should be smooth as butter (pun intended)

Also iOS is more optimized since its on for few devices.
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actually the big main reason for smoothness of ios vs android is that...every single application (basically everything) runs on virtual machines on the android unlike ios.. so it is true that the beefier the hardware the smoother the device..and thats y ios is able to run smooth even with lesser hardware..

joedoe said:
I guess it would be better for you to stay with iPhone.
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I have never owned an iphone and i never will. I love android but im always excited for new features and improvements!
tgtoys said:
iPhone relies on a system that basically delivers all or much of the available resources to the graphical interface when scrolling, which slows down or stops whatever else the phone is doing at the time (ie stops loading a web page when you start scrolling or momentarily pauses a download). This, along with a very strong GPU, is much of the reason for the smooth interface. (note: this info was taken from an interview with a Google employee, probably about a year or less ago. Could be outdated, but I believe it's still true...)
4.1 ramped up graphics rendering FPS to 60fps. This, a long with a strong GPU, S4 Pro processor and (mainly) 2 gigs of ram should result in an incredibly smooth UI. Also, the curved glass on the edges of the screen have been noted to give a much smoother feel to scrolling, whether it's a placebo effect or not will just have to be determined over time.
Long story short...yeah, this thing should be smooth as butter (pun intended)
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ferozfero said:
actually the big main reason for smoothness of ios vs android is that...every single application (basically everything) runs on virtual machines on the android unlike ios.. so it is true that the beefier the hardware the smoother the device..and thats y ios is able to run smooth even with lesser hardware..
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Thanks for this in-depth information. I have already known some of this from posts by google employees on their google+ pages.
I hope the changes introduced in JellyBean and the sheer performance of the Nexus 4 can overcome the innate performance issues of Android.
When someone has made first real life experiences with the device please let me know

schnip said:
I have never owned an iphone and i never will. I love android but im always excited for new features and improvements!
Thanks for this in-depth information. I have already known some of this from posts by google employees on their google+ pages.
I hope the changes introduced in JellyBean and the sheer performance of the Nexus 4 can overcome the innate performance issues of Android.
When someone has made first real life experiences with the device please let me know
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I have a Nexus S (awaiting a 16GB N4) and I can tell you that Jellybean offered a tremendous improvement in smoothness.
As for the lack of improvement with the S3 and Jelly Bean, do keep in mind that is not "stock" Jellybean, Samsung may have avoided using any of the "project butter" code for their own GPU rendering.. Only Nexus devices are guaranteed the advertised improvements listed by Google, once an OEM touches there's no guarantee.

Only the framerate is high. There is MASSIVE input lag of 100-200ms on every Android device. As evidenced in every video of the Nexus 4 the screen lags behind your finger by 1 inch or more when swiping. This makes it feel extremely sluggish and unresponsive in apps like Facebook and games like Canabalt are unplayable.

I noticed this too when I first started messing around with my N4.
A test I like to do is use the calculator, and see how many numbers I could hit before they would be highlighted (which I assume means the device starts registering the command). For some reason I was getting 2 (almost 3) punches before the device would see it. On my Wildfire S and my iPod Touch the input lag was never this bad.
Amazingly, I actually found a solution. I don't remember if I turned it on myself or if it came on by default, but my phone had the "Magnification gestures" on. You can find them in the "Accessibility" settings. I turned it off, and BAM! The input lag has practically disappeared. I don't know why it was doing that or how it's related, but this has effectively fixed it for me. There may still be a slight input lag, but it's small enough that I can ignore it. Before it was easily over 500 ms.
Hope this helps.

I've made sure that's off on every Android device I've tested. The input lag is still considerably worse than the iPhone.