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any hope for new evo root

I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....

spamking98 said:
I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?

patience young padawan...

dehelflix said:
Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
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Came updated with the latest update that bricked my first phone.....i really miss the wifi tether and flashing new roms...

As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.

Pops_G; said:
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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Sprint sells us unlimited data and you're sad when people use it? What is an appropriate amount of data to use?

I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.

gthing said:
What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
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Never really thought about that, but I guess they could handle that the way Google handles Gmail memory. Maybe take the total available and divide that by the number of users, add another gig or 2 to be safe? As the network improves, that cap should go up. Gmail handles it like that, your memory cap is slowly climbing as more becomes available.
I realize bandwidth and storage capacity are 2 different things because of things like peek usage hours and whatnot. However I am sure they could come to a reasonable formula with that approach.

Is it cool if we take up a collection for the first team/dev to crack it? The devs definately deserve it (although many might not even want the money), so it seems like they should get something and we help kick up the motivation a notch as well. Maybe this is a no-no, idk. Just a thought

Pops_G said:
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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I guess you like bending over or being bent over (by Sprint or otherwise) without been taken out on a date first eh. bad joke, don't take offence eh. Geez...but isn't that what you're being charged extra premium data for?

I picked up an Evo for my girlfriend yesterday and asked them not to put the update on because I didn't have time for it to complete. I said I'd just do it at home. Took it home and rooted that bad boy so fast.

you can't just flash back to the stock rom and reroot?

Pops_G said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
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i don't know about you but i'm paying $70 a month for Premium unlimited data and if i want to use it then i will. tethering by wire doesn't take an extra $30, that's for the wifi hotspot feature. use PDAnet app or something similar. on a recent vacation i grabbed 6GB of HDTV shows overnight on 3G, no problem. i'd use 4G if it was up and running in a place i could use it but that hasn't been an option yet. even on 3G it wouldn't be hard to download 100GB a month with a little effort.

Pops_G; said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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I have a problem with charging extra for tethering and object to it on moral grounds. I believe it is a violation of the concept net neutrality and an illogical charge at that. The only reason people are not up in arms about it is that they don't think of cell carriers as ISPs yet, but that's what they are.
If I download something knot my phone and later transfer it to my computer, is that against sprint's tos? If I do that same thing in an automated way is it a violation? Because that's what tethering is.

Only a matter of time until someone cracks it. The Android dev community is too powerful.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.

Pops_G said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.

ramiss said:
Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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i like the analogy there, good stuff. were paying for unlimited data so they can just deal with it.

My stance isn't to protect poor little Sprint from evil users. It's more of an issue I have with people "pissing in the punch" as it were. If we do lose "Unlimited" it will because the few people that gorge themselves. Also when Sprint makes an unlimited plan for phones, I am sure they have the actually device in mind. You can only realistically consume so much data using the actual phone. Its not till you hook the phone up to other devices that your data will skyrocket.
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point. I understand were you guys are coming from, I just think its a bit short sighted.
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.

Pops_G said:
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point.
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But, its not a privilege or a side of the coin. We payed for UNLIMITED! What is wrong with using UNLIMITED??

Pops_G said:
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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Actually, AT&T never had unlimited (5GB cap). Same with Verizon. Sprint has said 5GB cap as well in their 'unlimited' data plans (with the exception of the Evo, where it's written out specifically), but they very rarely ever enforced it. AT&T and Verizon will charge you up the rear if you go over.
So no, none of the providers ever had unlimited data. It's just a question of their policies.
Also, keep in mind that downloading really isn't the problem. It's uploading that screws with everyone's connection. So for those of you who are running torrents on your connection, STOP. You can and will cause data issues for everyone else on the node, as there's a limited amount of upload bandwith to go around.

At&t geting crazy

AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)

frankiedizzle87 said:
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)
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I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?

project mayhem

frankiedizzle87 said:
AT&T wants us to be legit and not steal tether and this and that for Wht? They cap out speeds and when we finally get good Android phones its held down by moto blurr and a bootloader that is locked..... what do we do? How can we protest this? Lol maybe we should spray paint HSUPA AND #UNLOCKMOTO on store windows hahaha. Its wrong but its the only way to hitem how theyed care... financially that's the key to slowing them down financial hits. But really how can we get their attention?
Sent from Atrix ;-)
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Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.

jkrohn said:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Its not that easy when you have family plans and your kind of trapped. $350 per line is a lot. Yea I might beable to fight with them and get out of it but it doesnt always work.

live4nyy said:
I have been wondering this as well. We need to organize or something. It has to start somewhere, I think everyone is aware of how bad corporate America has gotten but where is the breaking point?
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Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.

Mustang302LX said:
Not defending AT&T by any means but you can't seriously be upset that AT&T doesn't want people to cheat their system and tether for free or can you? I tether for free and I'd expect AT&T to not want users to do this as it takes away from their revenue something any business wants not something they want to lose.
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I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!

josidhe said:
Corporate America is one thing, but consumers are largely at fault as well. Just look at the 'solutions' people talk about. Vandalism? These are franchises. You think that at&t store down the street is owned and operated directly by the corp? You're hurting local business owners.
The reality is, there's zero creativity on the part of irked consumers. They don't know how to get a message out, they don't know how to start a counter-culture. Today's 'rebels' all depend on 'the man' to keep in touch with each other anyway. They sit around on their thumbs signing contracts they don't read because HAVING service is all that matters at the time. We wait for competitors to sound attractive enough, but in the end brand loyalty and other principles are a higher priority.
We sit around waxing philosophical about open standards and open source and the openness of Android, but what if Android was a Verizon exclusive? Would you completely bend over and submit to everything anticonsumer about VZN just so you can proudly wear at least ONE badge of principles for supporting an open OS? Or is it perhaps better in the long run to support even the most locked down software and ecosystems as long as the carrier and the bigger picture meet ethical standards?
Frankly, I'd rather buy based on carrier FIRST, knowing that even if my platform today isn't brilliant, I'm supporting a network i'd rather see future platforms target.
We get so caught up beating off to open software that we ignore the reality that infrastructure is a 500x more important battle. And then we just betch and sob when the infrastructure isn't the way we want it.
Man up, stop worrying so much about whether something has the almighty GPL stamp of approval, and pay attention to the real war we should be fighting. And not with hashtags.
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Vandalism??? I haven't thought of that....hmmmm....
On a serious note, I agree with what you are saying.
(I would have felt better about agreeing with you if you weren't being so abrasive about it, I don't know what "manning up" has to do with it)
Regardless, there is something wrong with the current system of marketing and commercialism. Trust me, I feel bad when I sit here and complain about upload speeds when there is real tragedies happening in the world (eg. Japan) but when it comes to it, this is beyond cellular carriers and beyond truth in advertising. This is more about a global brainwash. Corporations rule the world, and we are going to regret it.

The evolution underlying the Atrix highlights the problem even more. I have unlimited data on my phone. My phone natively possesses the ability to output to a webtop. But if I dock my phone to use the webtop then I have to pay for tethering? That's absurd. And if a developer creates a workaround then I'm violating my contract? Utter bull****.

The evolution underlying the prosecution's case against me highlights the problem even more. I can buy all of the bullets for my gun that I want. My gun natively possesses the ability to kill people. But if I shoot some guy on the beach because the sun is in my eyes, I'm somehow breaking the law? That's absurd.

Techcruncher said:
I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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I agree with you on that, tethering should be free since you are already paying for the data. Since it isn't though stealing the feature (again not saying anything since I do it too) isn't going to be something they try to not stop.
I'll continue using Barnacle until I see them say something to me.

Techcruncher said:
I will pay AT&T for anything...
AS LONG AS IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FREE!!!!!
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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.

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Err...what's supposed to be free? Tethering isn't supposed to be free at all...it's pretty clearly written in your contract.
And I think it's hilarious/sad that so many people are upset with AT&T that the Atrix has Motoblur, a locked bootloader, and you can't tether for free. Are you kidding? Motorola has complete control over the first 2 things and Tethering isn't free because it's a huge drain on their network and is a service they actually provide for payment.
Would you walk into Walmart and be pissed when they yell at you for stealing a TV? No...because it's something they provide a service for that you'd be trying to evade.
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I think the only thing wrong with your analogy is that paying for tethering when you already pay for data use, is NOT similar to stealing a TV from Walmart. It would be like going to Walmart and having to pay to be checked out when you already have to pay for the items in your cart. They do it because people will pay for it, it is that simple. If you don't like it change carriers or become an executive at AT&T and change it.

I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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robrj said:
I don’t really get the tethering for the new plans either. They give an extra 2gb and it is the same price as going over by 2gb. They should just offer free tethering and if yougo over you would still pay the overage (10gb for$ 10).
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It's actually 1GB per $10, but you're right, it's the same price so why not just give us the tethering and charge $10 for every GB we go over but instead it could only be charged if we use the entire GB. Oh, I know, I'm living in a fantasy world.

iv been with att for a very long time and have suffered with edge for ever,they keep telling me ill have the service i pay for soon,heard that for three years,maybe they should give me a refund or manup and provide the service they charge for i love my atrix and they love my money but dont put out,and they want more ha iv had unlimited data since the release of iphone 3g ,my average is 2 or 3 gigs on there network i use wifi more than there network because its not there,and if i want to teather i will barnical rules,that is when im in an area i can,the only one who should feel riped off is me and you that dont get the service we pay for not the guy who dont want to have an internet plan at home and kill 25 + gigs off there network

Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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Aldiggi said:
Its against the law and its called Theft of service. So if att or any other cellphone provider wants they can come after you.
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So hide yo kidz, hide yo wife, and hide yo huzband, cuz they're ****ing everybody out here

jkrohn said:
Easy, switch carriers. You're still within 30 days. Return your phone, get out of your contract and switch.
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Im already on two years and a family plan I bought off contract
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Our fight Against Verizon

If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.

tyvallely said:
If you haven't heard all ready Verizon is tracking down root users and limiting there data or fully suspending it so watch out. But we have to fight back against them by hiding Verizon from seeing that we are proudly rooted and some people have said the would sue Verizon. Please do whatever you can to fight against this.
Also motorola and htc are going to start doing the same.
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Where have you heard this? This is the first I have heard of it and through multiple google searches it seems that all link to this thread or copies of it. Nothing from any reputable source. Also after speaking with a Verizon rep they thought it was funny and didn't hear about it either.
EDIT: I saw the post by P3droid I still don't buy it. This garbage has been circling the internet for over a year. Not true then, not true now. Also if you read the article HTC and other carriers are thinking about this as well and HTC is already including encrypted bootloaders so point fingers everywhere. Still though Verizon nor any other carrier are going to do anything. Think about it... They are offering the upgrade on Zoom tablets even if you are rooted... That post by P3Droid is simply fear mongering.

http://www.mydroidworld.com/forums/...rooting-manufacturers-carriers.html#post65013
And p3droid doesn't lie.

If this were the case, what would need to be done - watch our data usage so as not to be noticed?
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If my data is suspended I'm going to sue there asses off

V1215 said:
If this were the case, what would need to be done - watch our data usage so as not to be noticed?
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Don't update your phone unless we say its ok because they could put the software on the update.
UPDATE: BREAKING: IF YOU UPDATED TO 2.3.3 VERIZON ALREADY KNOWS AND HAS TRACKED YOU

Jmoney47 said:
If my data is suspended I'm going to sue there asses off
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You're going to sue them because you violated your warranty and TOS?

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You're going to sue them because you violated your warranty and TOS?
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Agreed. Verizon and other carriers could careless about rooted phones. It's users that tether crazy data. I'm rooted and have no desire to tether, never have and probably never will.
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Verizon has already baked tether detection into Gingerbread.
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Is this some kind of April fools? First of all, we should be allowed to use our data allotment however we see fit, the tether plan is nothing more than a money grab. I can connect my computer, and whatever else, and if I run out of data, verizon gets more money that month, since I have to buy more. Preventing us from tethering for free is ridiculous. And frankly, ATT did it for the iphone, but I actually think that's because they have a pathetic network, and they had to find some way to lighten the load. Anyway, this better not be true. Or I'm starting my own wireless company, and it will be FOR the people. While still making plenty of money not having to nickel and dime anybody. That is all.
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To hell with Freedom!!
As a new root user, and a complete N00B. I first would like to say. Thank you! To all the dev teams out there. You guys have made my experience with my amazing Droid X a complete blast. I just love flashing the Liberty 1.5 ROM to all my fellow co-workers that are being strapped by Apple. I for one, being a tech, have heard a lot of backroom conversations. I know these big corporate entities are looking at this forum and asking why college kids can do these amazing things with their devices, but we as mature, hardworking, overpaid corporate big shots can not figure this **** out. It's absolutely hilarious to me. It's a classic Slippery Slope. They can't figure it out, they "Leak" it out source somehow. The underground dev teams take it and make it great, then these corporate beasts take it back all shinny and new, and then throw the developers into the fire. Screaming "Off with their Heads"! "They've stolen from us"! Last I checked we still live in a country, that is if you're reading this from the USA, that still stands for FREEDOM! SDICKER89 said it best from the DEV forum:
"Should I give in, and be unhappy with my phone as stock 2.2 froyo with tons of bloatware that ill never use and slows down my phone every day? Should i deal with the horribly coded motoblur that slows down my phone more than the bloatware? Maybe i should just go back to a standard style phone and use Boost mobile or something cheap and use use my droid x that I PAID FOR, off network as a multimedia device. That way, "the man" can't tell me what i can and can't do. What is everyone else thinking on this subject? "
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This is MY phone! I worked for the money to buy it! I'm the one trying to figure out why I was having to charge my battery all the time. I'm the one that was wondering why my phone wasn't as amazing as the IPhone, when their specs are so close to each other. It's a damn shame! From the brilliant mind of Bill Hicks (R.I.P) "Go back to bed America"! "You're Free to do as we Tell you"! (Youtube: Bill Hicks - Go back to bed America)
To all of you that serve as a DEV team member - from the amateur to the most experienced! "Hats off to you" !
By the way - I just supported - Liberty 2.0 ROM -

/shrugs
I'm sticking to Liberty, and if they limit my data (and I even notice) I'll just switch. I can pay the etf at any given moment and will.

Screw it. They do anything to mine and I am done with Verizon. Straight Talk here I come.
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I'm sticking to Liberty, and if they limit my data (and I even notice) I'll just switch. I can pay the etf at any given moment and will.
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Wouldn't they at that point be breaking their own agreement for unlimited data?

eth3rton said:
Screw it. They do anything to mine and I am done with Verizon. Straight Talk here I come.
Wouldn't they at that point be breaking their own agreement for unlimited data?
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Did I not just break it by rooting and ROMing? That's the way I understand it. Maybe I don't fully understand what's going on here.

When I signed up with my Android I signed up for $30 unlimited data and if they are changing the rules for whatever reason they are breaking the contract. In my opinion I should not pay an ETF for something they have caused... some will argue I rooted/tethered but unlimited is unlimited.

You fail to read the fine print just like credit cards. The carrier can change your plan as they like but must offer you options, ie. Grandfather you until your next upgrade or allow you to leave without a penalty. VZW has done nothing illegal, and like said before, if you rooted the phone you broke the agreement with VZW and have no legs to stand on in a court of law and they can do as they please with your data allotment.
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mav3rick478 said:
You fail to read the fine print just like credit cards. The carrier can change your plan as they like but must offer you options, ie. Grandfather you until your next upgrade or allow you to leave without a penalty. VZW has done nothing illegal, and like said before, if you rooted the phone you broke the agreement with VZW and have no legs to stand on in a court of law and they can do as they please with your data allotment.
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Rooting/Jailbreaking is actually legal. Apple already tried to do this for the exact same reasons and failed in court.

This is not about the ability to root/modify. They could care less. What they are annoyed about is how people use root. they dont want their service to be stolen.
If verizon allowed the use of "free" tethering with apps such as wireless tether and barnacle, and bumped up the price of data a little (because data is data, whether you are tethering or on youtube) then not only would the community and myself be happy without the whole data throttling thing because of tethering, but the carrier/moto would also be ecstatic because they get a lot of positive PR from one of the most influential parts of their phone community.

mattmartin77 said:
This is not about the ability to root/modify. They could care less. What they are annoyed about is how people use root. they dont want their service to be stolen.
If verizon allowed the use of "free" tethering with apps such as wireless tether and barnacle, and bumped up the price of data a little (because data is data, whether you are tethering or on youtube) then not only would the community and myself be happy without the whole data throttling thing because of tethering, but the carrier/moto would also be ecstatic because they get a lot of positive PR from one of the most influential parts of their phone community.
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And this is clearly unfair for those rooted users who don't abuse their power. I pay for an unlimited plan and yet 95% of the time my phone is connected to WiFi.

This is all hearsay until we have cases of people having their contracts cancelled or whatnot.
Also you have to realize the point of this whole thing. Its not if you root. Vzw is against you tethering without paying for it. Its a service they offer for money. Its not a free service, so don't expect to get it for free without vzw doing something about it. Just because your phone is capable of it, doesn't mean you get it for free!!!! That's like saying, "my phone is capable of phone calls... I should get them for free!!!"
No you shouldn't. You should pay for it just like everyone else. Just like you should pay to have the tethering service.
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Only sprint allowing free tethering?

http://tinyurl.com/3nfddg7
Another reason to love sprint imo

Already being discussed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060707
And no, they don't "allow" it...it's against the TOS here too, but they haven't done anything to enforce it yet.

Papa Smurf151 said:
http://tinyurl.com/3nfddg7
Another reason to love sprint imo
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Time will tell how long that lasts. Hopefully till thursday, lol I dont get my internet hooked up til then.

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Already being discussed:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1060707
And no, they don't "allow" it...it's against the TOS here too, but they haven't done anything to enforce it yet.
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Yeah I saw that after I posted. To late by then. But sprints also the only carrier not banning the apps. Close enough to allowing it for me

even if they did some aosp roms have it built in, can't stop that lol

Ehhh.... some more changes are coming to data plans on connection cards hopefully alleviating some of the people that use their phone for tethering. A lot of people say "I don't like paying twice for data" but at the same time, you're paying for data on your phone, not data on your phone, to your laptop, home computer, joe's iPhone and your sons PSP.

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Ehhh.... some more changes are coming to data plans on connection cards hopefully alleviating some of the people that use their phone for tethering. A lot of people say "I don't like paying twice for data" but at the same time, you're paying for data on your phone, not data on your phone, to your laptop, home computer, joe's iPhone and your sons PSP.
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I should hope a single tethered device could still be capable, but when handing out multiple feeds I see where the questioning and bull**** could arise. I'm not going to argue semantics but being able to use the phone to tether, say my CR-48 - at crucial times could be important. It's not worth the mobile hot spot billing in my case, I have no intention of setting up other people or multiple devices. If I couldn't afford home internet service, for whatever reason, I would just deal with it for the time being.
I know trying to justify it isn't realistic, nor is rationalizing, but if they could somehow say, 'Hey, that one device - hopefully yours - that's cool.' That would be, uh, cool. Far-fetched, sure.

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I should hope a single tethered device could still be capable, but when handing out multiple feeds I see where the questioning and bull**** could arise. I'm not going to argue semantics but being able to use the phone to tether, say my CR-48 - at crucial times could be important. It's not worth the mobile hot spot billing in my case, I have no intention of setting up other people or multiple devices. If I couldn't afford home internet service, for whatever reason, I would just deal with it for the time being.
I know trying to justify it isn't realistic, nor is rationalizing, but if they could somehow say, 'Hey, that one device - hopefully yours - that's cool.' That would be, uh, cool. Far-fetched, sure.
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I think a pay-as-you-go tethered plan would be easier for people that only need it at some crucial times like you said. For example 1 hour for $1 or $0.50?

Hmm, possibly. But what does 1 hour constitute? Free reign? I could see maybe that being more reasonable ... I rarely break out the tether, and while - honestly - I could probably get away with doing as much on my phone, as it stands with these chrome notebooks you NEED that data for the most part ... I could see that being more reasonable than a measly 'pay out your ass for 250MB of data' deal.
Are you 'not really saying,' but sort of suggesting, some revisions are coming up? Not going to push any info outta ya ... but, you do seem to be pretty up to speed with the ish.
I dunno how I feel about all these other little charges, and without somehow tackling the issue people will just continue to abuse, thus - naturally, jeopardizing all of us. I just don't know. I'm also drunk. So that doesn't help with my 'brain dealings.'
edit: yeah, I guess that is what you were suggesting / saying
i think your suggested handling of such a use / charge would be more legit than dealing with it in other fashions ... a direct billing of the account? not another additional charge? at most maybe 1GB of use for that hour? which, for emergency situations might be pushing it ... but I sort of like that idea over having to deal with a charge I may not get full use of - or need on a month to month basis.

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Hmm, possibly. But what does 1 hour constitute? Free reign? I could see maybe that being more reasonable ... I rarely break out the tether, and while - honestly - I could probably get away with doing as much on my phone, as it stands with these chrome notebooks you NEED that data for the most part ... I could see that being more reasonable than a measly 'pay out your ass for 250MB of data' deal.
Are you 'not really saying,' but sort of suggesting, some revisions are coming up? Not going to push any info outta ya ... but, you do seem to be pretty up to speed with the ish.
I dunno how I feel about all these other little charges, and without somehow tackling the issue people will just continue to abuse, thus - naturally, jeopardizing all of us. I just don't know. I'm also drunk. So that doesn't help with my 'brain dealings.'
edit: yeah, I guess that is what you were suggesting / saying
i think your suggested handling of such a use / charge would be more legit than dealing with it in other fashions ... a direct billing of the account? not another additional charge? at most maybe 1GB of use for that hour? which, for emergency situations might be pushing it ... but I sort of like that idea over having to deal with a charge I may not get full use of - or need on a month to month basis.
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I would say more like free reign for the hour or 30 minutes while you are tethering for that $1. Obviously a person that uses it a lot would rather pay $39.99 for the month for unlimited tethering but a person like you an I that uses tethering maybe once every 2 months for 2 hours maximum I would pay the $2 for those $2 as needed.

I'm sure if Sprint chooses to enforce this, someone will find a way around it. Personally, I don't want to pay $30 to use tethering. The only time I use it is when I'm out and about with my wi-fi only kindle and need to download a book. Just trying to save some dough in these hard times

DirtyShroomz said:
I would say more like free reign for the hour or 30 minutes while you are tethering for that $1. Obviously a person that uses it a lot would rather pay $39.99 for the month for unlimited tethering but a person like you an I that uses tethering maybe once every 2 months for 2 hours maximum I would pay the $2 for those $2 as needed.
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A pay as you go option. Would be nice and would certainly be a solution and would bring in alot of revenue. Then again the majority of users dont really root so they wouldnt have to worry about people getting around it.

I'd easily cough up a $1 for 30-60 minutes of tethered data in dire situations. Seems a little cheap, TBH. But for direct billing and crucial situations that would be huge if it meant avoiding some crazy mandatory charge and locking out of possible situations. I get this talk wouldn't necessarily prevent tethering as a whole, but it is usage like that that could potentially change the nature of the Sprint plans.
Change will eventually come, I just hope Sprint can continue to somehow manage it in a proper and non drastic measure.
It all comes down to end user - erm - usage, but for people like me that could potentially be reasonable.
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conqu1stador said:
I'd easily cough up a $1 for 30-60 minutes of tethered data in dire situations. Seems a little cheap, TBH. But for direct billing and crucial situations that would be huge if it meant avoiding some crazy mandatory charge and locking out of possible situations. I get this talk wouldn't necessarily prevent tethering as a whole, but it is usage like that that could potentially change the nature of the Sprint plans.
Change will eventually come, I just hope Sprint can continue to somehow manage it in a proper and non drastic measure.
It all comes down to end user - erm - usage, but for people like me that could potentially be reasonable.
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Tons of people would opt for that option just like there are tons of users that pay the $39.99. $1 for 1 hour is cheap but a lot of people would get lost in the hours.... i.e. 5,000 people just used it for 2 hours - it only cost those people $2 but that's $10,000 that Sprint just made.... huge profit margin. And oh yeah, let's not forget that was made in 2 hours only.

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Tons of people would opt for that option just like there are tons of users that pay the $39.99. $1 for 1 hour is cheap but a lot of people would get lost in the hours.... i.e. 5,000 people just used it for 2 hours - it only cost those people $2 but that's $10,000 that Sprint just made.... huge profit margin. And oh yeah, let's not forget that was made in 2 hours only.
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Yea, they'd make a killing on that for sure. I'd use it from time to time under conditions like that. I tether to my laptop from time to time.
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Actually, I think $1 an hour is too expensive. The monthly plan is $30 a month, or $1 a day. My understanding is that as it is today, you can call them up and have them add it, then have them remove it later that day, and it prorates to the day. I don't know if it provisions instantly or if you need to plan ahead.
I haven't done this, so I'm not sure if that's all correct. But a rep did tell me that when I asked about it while changing over to the Evo. If it's true, $1/day is the price we have available now. Maybe they don't really intend for people to add/remove it that way to really only pay $1/day on the days they use it, but my understanding is you can do that. One reason I haven't tried it at least for me is the hassle. I'm not sure if it's just because I'm on SERO Premium, but I can't add and remove this online. I'd have to call twice (or perhaps it can be done via chat). If we could add and remove it easily from the website (accessed via the phone, of course) or even directly from within the app, it'd be really convenient.

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Actually, I think $1 an hour is too expensive. The monthly plan is $30 a month, or $1 a day. My understanding is that as it is today, you can call them up and have them add it, then have them remove it later that day, and it prorates to the day. I don't know if it provisions instantly or if you need to plan ahead.
I haven't done this, so I'm not sure if that's all correct. But a rep did tell me that when I asked about it while changing over to the Evo. If it's true, $1/day is the price we have available now. Maybe they don't really intend for people to add/remove it that way to really only pay $1/day on the days they use it, but my understanding is you can do that. One reason I haven't tried it at least for me is the hassle. I'm not sure if it's just because I'm on SERO Premium, but I can't add and remove this online. I'd have to call twice (or perhaps it can be done via chat). If we could add and remove it easily from the website (accessed via the phone, of course) or even directly from within the app, it'd be really convenient.
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That is a hassle
Just have the app report the time it has been on. For people who use it occasionally 1$ Would be really nice and cheap and they wouldnt have an issue with using it. Of course for th whole day charge maybe 2$ a day for pay as you go if the post paid is 1$ a day.

bkrodgers said:
Actually, I think $1 an hour is too expensive. The monthly plan is $30 a month, or $1 a day. My understanding is that as it is today, you can call them up and have them add it, then have them remove it later that day, and it prorates to the day. I don't know if it provisions instantly or if you need to plan ahead.
I haven't done this, so I'm not sure if that's all correct. But a rep did tell me that when I asked about it while changing over to the Evo. If it's true, $1/day is the price we have available now. Maybe they don't really intend for people to add/remove it that way to really only pay $1/day on the days they use it, but my understanding is you can do that. One reason I haven't tried it at least for me is the hassle. I'm not sure if it's just because I'm on SERO Premium, but I can't add and remove this online. I'd have to call twice (or perhaps it can be done via chat). If we could add and remove it easily from the website (accessed via the phone, of course) or even directly from within the app, it'd be really convenient.
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This is true, but the hassle is beyond what people want. Most people don't want to call their company. What if you call to remove it, then later on the day need it again, gotta call again. Sprint closes at 1am EST time so if you need it at that time, you're SOL.
$1 an hour is expensive, but inexpensive for people that rarely use it. As I said, I use it maybe 1-2 hours once every 2-3 months. That's an extra $2 every 2-3 months, not that big a deal and no calling involved.

DirtyShroomz said:
Tons of people would opt for that option just like there are tons of users that pay the $39.99. $1 for 1 hour is cheap but a lot of people would get lost in the hours.... i.e. 5,000 people just used it for 2 hours - it only cost those people $2 but that's $10,000 that Sprint just made.... huge profit margin. And oh yeah, let's not forget that was made in 2 hours only.
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Exactly. Think of those that pay for the hotspot functionality because they don't necessarily 'know better.' Might not be the best way of putting it, and at that, maybe some don't mind as they can justify it. In terms of the $1 for an hour - for example - if you don't even reach 30GBs a month then that could be appealing. But, in that regard, take into account whether or not said individual just tethers to his own single device and not others and blah blah variables variables blah blah blah
For many I could see that being a reasonable approach to somehow trying to effectively issue outside data usage of the device. Sure, some might argue that if you are only tethering your OWN device then how should that be an outside expense ... as Sprint - and others - external data usage and tethering plans touts the multi user / individual usage ... it's almost like insurance plans and how, as a whole, you are paying for the service as an entirety and you don't expect everyone to take full advantage of the 'plan.' Sure, maybe backwards, maybe not entirely relevant but - in a way - sort of. Drunk, as said.
But I could definitely see people like myself actually seeing that angle as being a positive one to help combat, or even offset, the 'abusers.' And some of the 'abusers' are not in fact abusers, but people just working around the hotspot feature who can't justify the price for their usage of tethering.
Very interesting. Not sure if that made any sense. Made some sense to me, if only slightly. But I get what you are saying and that would totally seem like a Sprint thing. Sprint really, and truly, is the last of the major carriers here and it would totally seem appropriate. Not to suggest the people finding workarounds, albeit simple ones - if possible, wouldn't happen but I could see a lot of people agreeing to something of that nature fas a showing of support. Seems reasonable. If I was paying for the hotspot feature I would really have to go out of my way to have myself, and others, use that proverbial 30GBs of usage to that ratio of coinage to data. If that last sentence even made sense.
I could see that working, and in turn, keeping Sprint in reasonable check with the people so long as honest and less-data-tethering-heavy-users went that route.
*should have proofed that ... I dunno if that made any sense ... at all.
i feel ya though, I feel ya

conqu1stador said:
Exactly. Think of those that pay for the hotspot functionality because they don't necessarily 'know better.' Might not be the best way of putting it, and at that, maybe some don't mind as they can justify it. In terms of the $1 for an hour - for example - if you don't even reach 30GBs a month then that could be appealing. But, in that regard, take into account whether or not said individual just tethers to his own single device and not others and blah blah variables variables blah blah blah
For many I could see that being a reasonable approach to somehow trying to effectively issue outside data usage of the device. Sure, some might argue that if you are only tethering your OWN device then how should that be an outside expense ... as Sprint - and others - external data usage and tethering plans touts the multi user / individual usage ... it's almost like insurance plans and how, as a whole, you are paying for the service as an entirety and you don't expect everyone to take full advantage of the 'plan.' Sure, maybe backwards, maybe not entirely relevant but - in a way - sort of. Drunk, as said.
But I could definitely see people like myself actually seeing that angle as being a positive one to help combat, or even offset, the 'abusers.' And some of the 'abusers' are not in fact abusers, but people just working around the hotspot feature who can't justify the price for their usage of tethering.
Very interesting. Not sure if that made any sense. Made some sense to me, if only slightly. But I get what you are saying and that would totally seem like a Sprint thing. Sprint really, and truly, is the last of the major carriers here and it would totally seem appropriate. Not to suggest the people finding workarounds, albeit simple ones - if possible, wouldn't happen but I could see a lot of people agreeing to something of that nature fas a showing of support. Seems reasonable. If I was paying for the hotspot feature I would really have to go out of my way to have myself, and others, use that proverbial 30GBs of usage to that ratio of coinage to data. If that last sentence even made sense.
I could see that working, and in turn, keeping Sprint in reasonable check with the people so long as honest and less-data-tethering-heavy-users went that route.
*should have proofed that ... I dunno if that made any sense ... at all.
i feel ya though, I feel ya
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Thing is if you are all paying for that 30GB then hell Sprint would have more $$to scale their networks.

Read -> Sprint changing a few things... again.

Getting rid of the "premier customer", returns go from 30 to 14 days, upgrade moves from 22 to 20 months BUT upgrade fee goes from 18 to 36..... all these changes are probly because of the new iphone too.... f*ck sprint and the rest of em.
phandroid.com/2011/09/15/sprint-mak...ram-cuts-back-returnexchange-policy-and-more/

that was announced a month ago lol

its for whoever doesnt know.
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Agreed! F**k Sprint!

go away why did u have to bump this thread just to say that.
and obviously u didnt even read this thread because at no point was anyone bashing sprint witch means this was an epic fail for you.

Bierce22 said:
go away why did u have to bump this thread just to say that.
and obviously u didnt even read this thread because at no point was anyone bashing sprint witch means this was an epic fail for you.
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Check again Bierce:
The op said the same thing the Guy b4 u did....."F-sprint" so he did read the thread.
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i like sprint (for now), dont get me wrong. but they are slowly hiking prices and axing services. they just got rid of unlimited 4g hotspot.... i think its only a matter of time before unlimited data is a thing of the past.

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i like sprint (for now), dont get me wrong. but they are slowly hiking prices and axing services. they just got rid of unlimited 4g hotspot.... i think its only a matter of time before unlimited data is a thing of the past.
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I'm not too sure about that. Mainly because every commercial i see for them is the
"We are sprint, we are truly unlimited" IMHO that's the only thing sprint has going for them, until the new iPhone comes out.

Sprint is still better than the alternatives though. Good customer service, awesome phones, etc. Everyone else has already done all this junk and gone to tiered plans so I'm happy that Sprint has kept their service as is for so long
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rubyknight said:
Sprint is still better than the alternatives though. Good customer service, awesome phones, etc. Everyone else has already done all this junk and gone to tiered plans so I'm happy that Sprint has kept their service as is for so long
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I agree, if you find a better service at Sprint's prices, let me know, I'll be upgrading soon.

youdug said:
i like sprint (for now), dont get me wrong. but they are slowly hiking prices and axing services. they just got rid of unlimited 4g hotspot.... i think its only a matter of time before unlimited data is a thing of the past.
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Is there really anyone that uses unlimited hotspot? I can't honestly imagine someone just tethering their laptop, gaming device, ect with their phone ALL day. The only thing that bothers me with the premier loss is return policy.

It is bs. I signed up for unlimited. I should get unlimited. If I spend anymore I might as well just get internet in my house instead of phone. What is this power trip all the carrier's seem to be on? The power to giveth, the power to take away? The power to cancel my service is what they'll get. I don't understand why sprint would make a move for the iphone and sacrifice the biggest advantage that no other carrier provides. That in my mind would be the gold mine and I would squat on it. Unless they are all acting together to gain greater profit from the consumer because they are all not happy with the percentages, it makes no sense. It does make sense however that they would all drop like dominos to the power of apple. After all, they have as much money saved up as our entire government. Tell me that isn't f'd up. Tell me a company like that can't do whatever they want and manipulate the system. I'm sure if we new everything we would pull out our guns to stop it. Die for it. But, who will ever know. Our worst enemy will be loved like family due to secrets and manipulation as we all suffer unrecognized poverty and enslavement. But, we are many.... and the day will come.