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Thinking of ordering an Evo

Good or bad idea?
I'm hoping the newer batches will be fixed since Sprint/HTC is taking so long to come up with a new stock.
The hardware issues like the screen peeling and stuff, will be covered by a silicone case that I'll have I believe.
And the software issues will be fixed soon hopefully.
What do you guys think?

just get it your going to love it, dont listen to all the naysayers some people just cant be pleased. the biggest thing that people are griping about is the fps lock, which unless your very anal about gaming and have to have everything be ridiculously smooth then i guess might bother you...it certainly has no effect whatsoever on my usage of my device or even the few games ive played on it....
to me watching something in 60fps just seems so fake, like its just TOO smooth, i was playing metro 2033 the other day and with all the settings at their max @1080p resolution i average about about 35 fps...i got to this one part (its like a on rails part where you carry this kid on your back) and the frame rate just jumps to like at least double what i was getting up to like 75fps and the game was just very disorienting...like i wanted the controls to react faster, the game was so smooth that it almost seemed like it lagged behind my controls... it was pretty strange...so anyway thats my whole thing, maybe its because im just used to playing games at 30fps... most games on consoles are 30fps and people dont caus a stink like they do here about them lol...

Oh yeah, sure. Don't listen to the naysayers who actually bought the damned phone.
Currently, the Evo is suffering from the 30fps cap and slow touch response. I recorded the following videos a while ago to demonstrate what I mean:
There is no such thing as being 'too smooth'. Look at devices like the iPhone and Galaxy S and say they're 'too smooth'. Just be aware that these issues do exist and may or may not be fixed by HTC in the near future.
Apart from that, however, I have absolutely no issues with the phone.

Freelancerx said:
just get it your going to love it, dont listen to all the naysayers some people just cant be pleased. the biggest thing that people are griping about is the fps lock, which unless your very anal about gaming and have to have everything be ridiculously smooth then i guess might bother you...it certainly has no effect whatsoever on my usage of my device or even the few games ive played on it....
to me watching something in 60fps just seems so fake, like its just TOO smooth, i was playing metro 2033 the other day and with all the settings at their max @1080p resolution i average about about 35 fps...i got to this one part (its like a on rails part where you carry this kid on your back) and the frame rate just jumps to like at least double what i was getting up to like 75fps and the game was just very disorienting...like i wanted the controls to react faster, the game was so smooth that it almost seemed like it lagged behind my controls... it was pretty strange...so anyway thats my whole thing, maybe its because im just used to playing games at 30fps... most games on consoles are 30fps and people dont caus a stink like they do here about them lol...
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Mecha2142 said:
Oh yeah, sure. Don't listen to the naysayers who actually bought the damned phone.
Currently, the Evo is suffering from the 30fps cap and slow touch response. I recorded the following videos a while ago to demonstrate what I mean:
There is no such thing as being 'too smooth'. Look at devices like the iPhone and Galaxy S and say they're 'too smooth'. Just be aware that these issues do exist and may or may not be fixed by HTC in the near future.
Apart from that, however, I have absolutely no issues with the phone.
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I see what you guys are talking about. The 30fps cap IS an issue for me since I'm a quality whore xD I live my menus to scroll smoothly and I like my games to be unchoppy, but I mean this phone is still the bomb lol. I'm going to order it as soon as I can find someone who has good credit. Being a student, I dont have credit, and so Sprint will not let me apply for a line T_T

txtsd said:
I see what you guys are talking about. The 30fps cap IS an issue for me since I'm a quality whore xD I live my menus to scroll smoothly and I like my games to be unchoppy, but I mean this phone is still the bomb lol. I'm going to order it as soon as I can find someone who has good credit. Being a student, I dont have credit, and so Sprint will not let me apply for a line T_T
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Hah. Being a student, I sure hope you can afford the first bill, which is prorated .
But yes, this device is the best Android device currently on the market, and will continue to be one of the best for quite some time. Better yet, Sprint allows you to upgrade your phone a year into your contract with any plan $69.99 and above.

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Hah. Being a student, I sure hope you can afford the first bill, which is prorated .
But yes, this device is the best Android device currently on the market, and will continue to be one of the best for quite some time. Better yet, Sprint allows you to upgrade your phone a year into your contract with any plan $69.99 and above.
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My dad pays the phone bill, so no problems there lol. Is the first bill gonna be higher than usual or something?

txtsd said:
My dad pays the phone bill, so no problems there lol. Is the first bill gonna be higher than usual or something?
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well, he is referring to it being pro-rated, meaning you will be billed for part of a cycle in addition to your regular billing cycle-- the part you use outside of it. not to mention activation fee, etc.. but I got out of mine.

drbadass said:
well, he is referring to it being pro-rated, meaning you will be billed for part of a cycle in addition to your regular billing cycle-- the part you use outside of it. not to mention activation fee, etc.. but I got out of mine.
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ok I had no idea what pro-rated meant, so I researched. Is there any way to avoid these charges? like not use the phone for a few days or something?

No way to avoid the pro-rated charges unless you open the line on the first day of the month(billing cycle). And then you will have activation fee's, another 5 dollor charge to track your usage and that wont come off your bill until you pay every month on time for 18 months(appariently). Then you got taxes...... those all depend on your state and how they are billed, I got billed for city,county, and state sales tax... and even more money for activating a phone in my city and county... Basterds!

lol, the funny thing is. i dont have any credit, i have a saving account and have some carriers in the past. when i went to apply for sprint, i got declined for 2 lines. my girl ran her credit and got approved for 2 lines with 2 free blackberries,, she has one closed banking account and NO CREDIT WHAT SO EVER. i mean im not complaining,,, cough EVO.. but just had me buggin in radioshack lol

does everybody on Sprint have the same bill cycle (meaning same start/end day/date)?
it's weird cause i activated my 4 lines on June 10 and i was charged a prorated amount from June 10-12 and the full bill from June 13 and on; that's just nonsense and feels like they are just stealing that amount for no apparent reason when they could've easily just made the 1st month from the day of activation

I don't know how exactly the bill cycles work for sprint, I worked for At&t. But they started my bill cycle on the first, thats when my first bill is due..

oOflyeyesOo said:
No way to avoid the pro-rated charges unless you open the line on the first day of the month(billing cycle). And then you will have activation fee's, another 5 dollor charge to track your usage and that wont come off your bill until you pay every month on time for 18 months(appariently). Then you got taxes...... those all depend on your state and how they are billed, I got billed for city,county, and state sales tax... and even more money for activating a phone in my city and county... Basterds!
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T_T I was thinking I could just not call or text for the few days till the beginning of the billing cycle. and whaaaaat?! $5/mo just to check if I pay on time or not? that's horrible. makes me not want to get the Evo. If the phone bill is going to be expensive as hell just because of these retarded factors, I might as well buy an unlocked Evo, and use my at&t sim card in it.
elitekernel said:
lol, the funny thing is. i dont have any credit, i have a saving account and have some carriers in the past. when i went to apply for sprint, i got declined for 2 lines. my girl ran her credit and got approved for 2 lines with 2 free blackberries,, she has one closed banking account and NO CREDIT WHAT SO EVER. i mean im not complaining,,, cough EVO.. but just had me buggin in radioshack lol
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I hate how they check for credit to give you a line. They won't give me one no matter what. And my dad doesn't live in the states, so i don't know if they'll let me get a line on his name T_T
jblazea50 said:
does everybody on Sprint have the same bill cycle (meaning same start/end day/date)?
it's weird cause i activated my 4 lines on June 10 and i was charged a prorated amount from June 10-12 and the full bill from June 13 and on; that's just nonsense and feels like they are just stealing that amount for no apparent reason when they could've easily just made the 1st month from the day of activation
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I need to figure this out so I can avoid the pro-charge.

txtsd said:
If the phone bill is going to be expensive as hell just because of these retarded factors, I might as well buy an unlocked Evo, and use my at&t sim card in it.
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You cant use any SIM cards with the Evo. It's a CDMA device, which means it doesn't have any support for those.

Mecha2142 said:
You cant use any SIM cards with the Evo. It's a CDMA device, which means it doesn't have any support for those.
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dammit T_T

I don't have any credit either. I have multiple people sueing me, and a few overdue doctor bills on my credit. I have got declined for every credit card I have applied for.
And the $5 dollor charge has nothing to do with the evo, I think its something they put on all accounts, or well probably for people with horrible credit.
Really, with everything you getting on sprint, and its still a bit cheaper than any other company out there, for unlimited everything.

I wouldnt get one. I'm pretty disappointed with mine. At first it was neat, but now I'm kind of bored with it. There are 0 good games compared to what there was on the iphone. And the ones that are decent run like crap on the evo.
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Try it for 30 days, if you don't like it, return it.
'nuf said.

gman8966 said:
I wouldnt get one. I'm pretty disappointed with mine. At first it was neat, but now I'm kind of bored with it. There are 0 good games compared to what there was on the iphone. And the ones that are decent run like crap on the evo.
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...which is why I'm contemplating on getting one, and haven't already ordered one
khov07 said:
Try it for 30 days, if you don't like it, return it.
'nuf said.
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What will it cost me to 'try' the phone for 30 days?

any hope for new evo root

I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....

spamking98 said:
I just got my new evo from radioshack after the first one bricked on the update. Anyone try to root the evo that has the new update....im sorta scared ever since the brick....got lucky enough to find a phone at radioshack since everywhere else is sold out....
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Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?

patience young padawan...

dehelflix said:
Did you update your new phone or did it come updated?
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Came updated with the latest update that bricked my first phone.....i really miss the wifi tether and flashing new roms...

As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.

Pops_G; said:
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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Sprint sells us unlimited data and you're sad when people use it? What is an appropriate amount of data to use?

I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.

gthing said:
What is an appropriate amount of data to use?
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Never really thought about that, but I guess they could handle that the way Google handles Gmail memory. Maybe take the total available and divide that by the number of users, add another gig or 2 to be safe? As the network improves, that cap should go up. Gmail handles it like that, your memory cap is slowly climbing as more becomes available.
I realize bandwidth and storage capacity are 2 different things because of things like peek usage hours and whatnot. However I am sure they could come to a reasonable formula with that approach.

Is it cool if we take up a collection for the first team/dev to crack it? The devs definately deserve it (although many might not even want the money), so it seems like they should get something and we help kick up the motivation a notch as well. Maybe this is a no-no, idk. Just a thought

Pops_G said:
As much as I hate losing the ability to root, I understand it. Seeing those posts of people who download 15-20gb a month makes me sad. People like that ruin it for the rest of us. Not to mention slowing down the connection of everyone else on their tower.
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I guess you like bending over or being bent over (by Sprint or otherwise) without been taken out on a date first eh. bad joke, don't take offence eh. Geez...but isn't that what you're being charged extra premium data for?

I picked up an Evo for my girlfriend yesterday and asked them not to put the update on because I didn't have time for it to complete. I said I'd just do it at home. Took it home and rooted that bad boy so fast.

you can't just flash back to the stock rom and reroot?

Pops_G said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
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i don't know about you but i'm paying $70 a month for Premium unlimited data and if i want to use it then i will. tethering by wire doesn't take an extra $30, that's for the wifi hotspot feature. use PDAnet app or something similar. on a recent vacation i grabbed 6GB of HDTV shows overnight on 3G, no problem. i'd use 4G if it was up and running in a place i could use it but that hasn't been an option yet. even on 3G it wouldn't be hard to download 100GB a month with a little effort.

Pops_G; said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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I have a problem with charging extra for tethering and object to it on moral grounds. I believe it is a violation of the concept net neutrality and an illogical charge at that. The only reason people are not up in arms about it is that they don't think of cell carriers as ISPs yet, but that's what they are.
If I download something knot my phone and later transfer it to my computer, is that against sprint's tos? If I do that same thing in an automated way is it a violation? Because that's what tethering is.

Only a matter of time until someone cracks it. The Android dev community is too powerful.
Sent from my HTC EVO 4G.

Pops_G said:
I am not mad. I just understand why they want to lock it down. Also they are not selling unlimited tethering. That costs $30 extra. Rooting allows you to by-pass that charge. So more people are likely to do it and abuse it. It has a negative impact on other users more than Sprint.
Again, I am not upset about it, I just wish people would have some courtesy and not torrent or stream 24/7.
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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.

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Hey, I am part owner in a Web Hosting Business so I am very aware of bandwidth prices and limitations.
However, I simply don't agree with people that claim it is a bad thing to use lots of data (regardless of how it is used). If Sprint didn't want us to use as much as we want then they should not have called it an "Unlimited" plan...period!!
If a company offers unlimited and people actually use it, causing the networks to slow down, then that is NOT the customer's fault. Would you fault the customers if a buffet runs out of food? Of course not!
Sprint needs to step up the network and get the infrastructure sorted out so they can hold up to the service they are offering.
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i like the analogy there, good stuff. were paying for unlimited data so they can just deal with it.

My stance isn't to protect poor little Sprint from evil users. It's more of an issue I have with people "pissing in the punch" as it were. If we do lose "Unlimited" it will because the few people that gorge themselves. Also when Sprint makes an unlimited plan for phones, I am sure they have the actually device in mind. You can only realistically consume so much data using the actual phone. Its not till you hook the phone up to other devices that your data will skyrocket.
All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point. I understand were you guys are coming from, I just think its a bit short sighted.
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.

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All I am saying is like most privileges in life, if you abuse them you lose them. It's one side of the coin, I am sure you guys can at least see my point.
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But, its not a privilege or a side of the coin. We payed for UNLIMITED! What is wrong with using UNLIMITED??

Pops_G said:
AT&T threw in the towel(on unlimited), Verizon is likely to follow, I just would hate to also have Sprint give up on us and follow the leader too.
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Actually, AT&T never had unlimited (5GB cap). Same with Verizon. Sprint has said 5GB cap as well in their 'unlimited' data plans (with the exception of the Evo, where it's written out specifically), but they very rarely ever enforced it. AT&T and Verizon will charge you up the rear if you go over.
So no, none of the providers ever had unlimited data. It's just a question of their policies.
Also, keep in mind that downloading really isn't the problem. It's uploading that screws with everyone's connection. So for those of you who are running torrents on your connection, STOP. You can and will cause data issues for everyone else on the node, as there's a limited amount of upload bandwith to go around.

Should I Make the Switch?

So my first android device I bought was a mytouch3G a few days ago. I love it, but it's just a bit slow. I'm thinking about selling it and getting some cash to buy the N1. My question is, do you guys think this phone is worth getting right now? Or is there a better Android phone out there than this one? I'm NOT going to be using the T-Mobile data plan, btw. Is there anything coming out soon that will cause a price drop?
Thanks.
edit: mods I realized I posted this in the wrong forum, please feel free to move it.

The N1 is amazing, especially coming from something like the mytouch3G. The Nexus one (tmobile version) can be bought as a Dev phone currently from Google at the normal price ($529) plus a $25 developer activation fee. You certainly wont regret the N1 if you decide to get it.
Another good Tmobile phone is the Vibrant, in general it meets if not slightly beat the nexus one in many departments even without froyo's JIT. And you can get a Vibrant for a little less then the $550 you would pay for a Nexus One.
Of course both can be found on Craigslist or ebay at a huge degree of different prices also.
Nothing I can think of that would cause any major price drops in the near future. ALSO there is the new HSPA+ flagphone that will be out soon that I'm certainly interested in.
My advise is to look at the tmobile android lineup (curent and future) and see if you know of anyone or go to the store and see if you can test them and if you like them more then the mytouch.
-Cheers

Best phone ever best android experience as well
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To put this as objectively as possible coming from a n1 user. The nexus one is a nice phone if you're very into customizing, from my knowledge of android devices, it's the top for modding. However it all depends on what you're going to be doing on the phone. For example if you're going to be playing games that require multitouch (nova) then it does have an issue with its multitouch. To some that's not an issue cause they don't game to others it is. The other major issue that I see at least for me is the small internal storage space. 512mb, really google? That's just two of the issues that I would really liked to be different, they're the only real issues for me. An hdmi out would be nice, but I wouldn't use it that much i'm assuming so it's not a deal breaker for me, same thing with a front facing camera.
But then you have things like the trackball that's nice for notifications, the screen size is just right, it's powerful and everything AND it gets all the updates first! It has a flash, the camera is pretty good actually (even though I hate cell cameras).
The only device on T-mobile that I can see as being another option would be the samsung vibrant, especially if you plan to play games on it, since it doesn't have the multitouch issue, and the gpu is really powerful. Problems with the device for me is the lack of a flash for the vibrant.
As for is it worth it? Well that depends on if spending the money is worth it and if you're going to get another phone anyways, yes the n1 is a great phone if you can overlook the multitouch issue and the small internal storage space.
EDIT: one more issue that I have with the n1 is that the audio is kinda bad, the speakers are quiet, and the headphone's sound is also quiet. Just wish the sound could be up'ed more so that it's a reasonable sound quality. Just seems more quieter than other android phones that I've had.

htc420 said:
So my first android device I bought was a mytouch3G a few days ago. I love it, but it's just a bit slow. I'm thinking about selling it and getting some cash to buy the N1. My question is, do you guys think this phone is worth getting right now? Or is there a better Android phone out there than this one? I'm NOT going to be using the T-Mobile data plan, btw. Is there anything coming out soon that will cause a price drop?
Thanks.
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Either get the N1 right now, it's still an amazing phone, and I see NOTHING in market right now that I'd trade it for.
Or, wait several months for next gen to come out, something with an even stronger CPU, maybe even gingerbread around Christmas. And NO, it won't be called a Nexus Two.
Me, I'm wating for that second option. No smartphone/PDA on the market today appeals to me as an upgrade.

unfortunately price wont drop for a while, it's now a dev phone. but once you have it in ur hand, im sure ud feel the price was worth it. you can always sell the N1 too with if you dont like it. and if you're geek enough, have a flashing addiction of nightlies, constantly making trying out something new with ur phone, this should be it.

I was in your same position. I got the My Touch 3g 1.2. And it was awesome, but I read somewhere that it was like a mini Nexus One and that made me more curious. I sold the phone soon after, and found a Nexus One, and it really is an incredible device, with an operating system built and tested specially or it (FRF91). The one downside is that you have to worry about the Nexus One a bit more. When my ipod is dead, the MT3G was ok for the gym, but not the N1. It has actually forced me to take better care of my phone, and other devices in general. It was a good decision, for sure.
Most of the upcoming Android phones seem to be rebuilt versions of this phone, and the N1 is still expected to get most updates, app add-ons and functions first. All dual core processor phones are still a long way away and are only rumored devices. If you are extremely patient you could wait it out, or just buy the N1 and sell it in a year.

One item on the list "to consider" might be - Nexus will be the 1st existing device to get Gingerbread update, probably by a considerable time margin.

If you're not gonna use data, I wouldn't drop money on a nexus one or a top of the line smartphone for that matter.

dooo it! my touch3g is old and slow!!!!

Buying a Nexus One for $554 plus tax without a data plan would be absolute and downright insanity.

Wouldn't do it without a data plan!

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Wouldn't do it without a data plan!
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Haha, why not? I'm surrounded by WiFi literally EVERYWHERE. Is it because this phone limits what you can do on it without the data plan, like what BlackBerry does? I know with BB, you can't use certain apps, programs, features, etc without having a data plan. Is this the same?
And I'm not dropping 500+, hoping somewhere in the 300-350 price range, used on craigslist.
edit: Also, If I wanted to add a data plan, would I be able to do it without starting a new contract? Because a dealer that I personally know hooked me up with a no contract plan for tmo ($30+tax for unlimited calls and text, but no web).
Thanks.

no there is nothing limited by not having a data plan. and if you are near wifi all day then its will be just the same. but when you're driving in your car and want to use navigation, or look something up on google maps, wifi isnt gonna help you. that's what they're saying.
and yes you can add a data plan anytime without extending your contract on most any carrier nowadays.

LOL
i buy my N1 without data plan xD
i dont regret since i have wifi around in my work and home and im outside wifi range like 4 hours at day in bus or subway.
and im fine perhaps its like kill a fly wit a cannon
i will get in 10 days my 3g plan (too expensive here >_< )
but yea after months with wifi, all its ok but with 3g AMAZING phone

htc420 said:
Haha, why not? I'm surrounded by WiFi literally EVERYWHERE. Is it because this phone limits what you can do on it without the data plan, like what BlackBerry does? I know with BB, you can't use certain apps, programs, features, etc without having a data plan. Is this the same?
And I'm not dropping 500+, hoping somewhere in the 300-350 price range, used on craigslist.
edit: Also, If I wanted to add a data plan, would I be able to do it without starting a new contract? Because a dealer that I personally know hooked me up with a no contract plan for tmo ($30+tax for unlimited calls and text, but no web).
Thanks.
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I guess anywhere I have wifi, I have computer access, so I don't really touch my phone during those times.
There's no restrictions from the OS itself regarding data.
If you want super cheap data, go to the t-mo website, set up and account. The when it asks you for your phone type, just put in a generic non-smartphone phone. You'll be able to add the $10 "dumbphone" internet, which is the same as the "android" plan.

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If you want super cheap data, go to the t-mo website, set up and account. The when it asks you for your phone type, just put in a generic non-smartphone phone. You'll be able to add the $10 "dumbphone" internet, which is the same as the "android" plan.
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Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?

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Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Scruples.
If you're on contract you won't be able to change the android plan without an ETF.
They surely can scan your imei and figure out which phone you have (ATT does this), but T-Mobile has not not started doing that yet.

JCopernicus said:
Scruples.
If you're on contract you won't be able to change the android plan without an ETF.
They surely can scan your imei and figure out which phone you have (ATT does this), but T-Mobile has not not started doing that yet.
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Because T-Mobile is the ****! I cautiously walked away from ATT and Verizon a few years ago and was amazed at what I found in Tmobile, I will never go back

Paul22000 said:
Interesting. First time I hear of that. Can't they find out what phone you have once they scan the phone?
[Edit]: I just checked my T-Mobile account and it shows up as Unknown Phone: "Sorry—we’re not sure which phone you’re using, so we’re not able to display resources. Please select a phone".
What's to prevent me from changing my account to the $10 dumbphone plan?
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Nothing...many other carriers check your imei number but tmobile rarely does anything with it. Try it, the worse that could happen is they figure out you have a smartphone and bump you back up to what you are currently paying. Theoretically there is no difference between the dumbphone and the smartphone variant (im pretty sure).

Negative posting on the Atrix and ATT&T!!!!

All you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about AT&T and the Atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the Atrix then don't get it! If you don't like AT&T then don't get the Atrix! There are TONS of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is FORCING you to buy the phone or have AT&T if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...I have 3 lines on AT&T and one on Sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4G ALL of them do!

and by posting this you start a flame war. was it really necessary?

Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.

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Also, you misspelled AT&T in the title.
I don't think a post of this type is necessary; while I agree 100%, I doubt that this thread will stop any of the activity that it is meant to.
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Lol...yes I did misspell AT&T in the title.....
I just was frustrated with all the troll postings about this phone. People come to learn about this phone. Not have to wade through all the negative postings about AT&T and the new phone. Its almost as if by design they are trying to discourage interest in the Atrix.....

Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.

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Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....

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Sorry, nothing wrong with voicing disappointment. You can continue to spend tons of money on overpriced stuff if you want. The rest of us will give them feedback and hope they learn.
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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.

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I suppose, although I'm not sure how anything posted here has been useful or a benefit to anyone in any way whatsoever.
I'm not sure how it's tons of money on overpriced stuff. Besides the obvious fact that value is subjective, which means that something may not be worth even $200 to you, but may be worth $300 to me.
Aside from that, top of the line phones cost around $200 these days. At least third party retailers are allowed to discount Android phones, unlike iPhones. I paid $150 for my Captivate last year at BB (it was still $200 @ AT&T), and I'll be paying $150 for the Atrix (or $200 if the Costco/BB leaks weren't true, which IMHO they are). Not sure how the Atrix is overpriced.
If you are referring to the laptop dock, then personally I would have to agree with you regarding its price. However, that is an accessory. Accessories are always overpriced. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I suspect most people won't, and I suspect it will drop in price pretty quickly. It is the first device of its kind, so if you buy it you are being an early adopter, and it costs a lot to be an early adopter. That's just life. Wait a few months, perhaps there will be third party solutions, or the price will have dropped to something that you can afford. No use crying over spilled milk.
Honestly, it doesn't seem like it would be too hard to build something like the laptop dock. Have a base that holds a bluetooth keyboard and a docking slot for the Atrix where you want your trackpad to be, attach one of those PS LCDs to the top and throw in some batteries. I'm sure it could be done for a couple of hundred bucks. Less, if you're creative.
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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.

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i agree with you about constructive feedback. But none of the posters have even seen the phone yet. Its not available for demo in the stores until the 13th. So how can they be so negative about it? Has anyone seen it yet? Does anyone have service with the phone that can tell us exactly what the charges and plan looks like? I will wait until I can actually see the phone and talk to an at&t rep and get more info.....
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Well you don't need to hold the device to know about the tethering rip off. Or double a netbook price for a screen, battery, and keyboard.
The phone itself isn't garnering much $ complaints as far as I've seen.

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$200 for the phone is fine. It's a standard that seems to hold.
The trackpad and the tethering plan are the ridiculous greedy practices no one should support. Subjectivity of value or not, an extra $20 a month to use that data you already pay for in a cradle is asinine.
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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.

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So don't support them if you don't want it. I don't see how complaining about it on XDA is helping anyone, though.
All the comparisons that people are drawing here, comparing the dock to a netbook (e.g., why not just get a netbook) are missing the point: it is most definitely not a netbook. If it was, it would be priced like a netbook. It is different than a netbook, different functionality, although they do serve a similar purpose. Lots of people buy Macs (not me ), despite the fact that they cost more than an equivalent PC would. For some of us, not everything is about what the cheapest alternative is.
This is a completely new category of product, and being the first person to own it will cost a lot, similar to the original iPhone.
The tethering plan isn't required if you buy the dock separately, and even if you buy them together, you can just cancel tethering. There's nothing to stop you.
If it turns out that the laptop dock (or any other dock, or use of the webtop environment), has some feature to alert AT&T of your usage without a tethering plan or block you from using it without a tethering plan, then I would agree. However, nobody has shown that to be the case at this point. My guess would be that the security measure would be defeated to allow this without paying for tethering within a few days.
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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.

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Don't want to lose my unlimited. And bad publicity is only a good thing or the consumer. I guess I don't understand defending those trying to milk you for tons of $$. I'd rather have a good deal on these things than defend a high price.
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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.

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I don't know anyone who wouldn't rather have a good deal. I'd love it if the dock came for free with the phone, along with a free keg and some strippers. But, unfortunately, we live in reality where stuff costs money and companies have to make money to keep coming out with cool products like the Atrix. If Motorola wants to charge $500 for the dock, then more power to them. I'm happy for it, and you know why? Because they invented the damn thing! Do you see any other phones with laptop docks? No.
Will I buy it for $500? No, because to me $500 is better than that dock. If the dock drops to $50, will I buy it? As long as its hackable. But if Motorola left it to you or me to decide what we wanted to pay for their stuff, they wouldn't ever make a profit. Then they couldn't make things like this any more. Do all the parts and pieces in the dock come to a total of $500? Definitely not, otherwise they wouldn't be able to make any money off of it, and therefore wouldn't make it in the first place. Does it bother you how much higher the retail price is than what the parts cost is? Then why don't you build something better for less.
Why is it that if Motorola spends millions of dollars on R&D, they shouldn't be able to make a profit off of that work and investment? If they can't do that, then why would they bother to create things like the Atrix & dock in the first place? Would you work for 6 months or a year for free so that you could sell a laptop dock for a phone at cost? Nope. So stop whining.
How does bad publicity automatically equal good for the consumer? That's probably one of the dumbest statements I've ever seen on this forum. 60 Minutes gave lots of bad publicity to Audi for unintended acceleration which turned out to be fake, how was that good for consumers? Or anyone outside of 60 Minutes? It hurt consumers, because Audi was almost killed off as a brand in the US, which would have offered fewer choices, and it influenced consumer buying decisions away from a product which may have been superior to the choice they ultimately made due to bad information.
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Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.

It seems as though all those that continuously beet down the Atrix secretly like it, because if I don't like something I move on. Why some need to be negative over and over and over with every post is beyond me.

jamezr said:
all you guys that are posting all the negative stuff here about at&t and the atrix....... Get a life..... If you don't want the atrix then don't get it! If you don't like at&t then don't get the atrix! There are tons of great android phones out there from every wireless carrier.
Seriously you are guys are just too much! No one is forcing you to buy the phone or have at&t if you don't want to this is controlled by your choices.
Give it a rest...i have 3 lines on at&t and one on sprint. I never have a problem with either one...... Every carrier charges a premium for there high end phones and 4g all of them do!
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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.

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Feedback is invaluable. Good or bad. If most consumers think something is a terrible value, then the company ought to know, period.
Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic cost 12 million dollars because someone else didn't do the r&d and make it?
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks.
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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????

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then what the hell is this forum for? Why are we all here? This is part of it.
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You have a point,,,we are all here to discuss and exchange info on the new phone and everything involved or about it. But it just seems like most of what I have been seeing was so negative. Thing is no one knows yet. No one has a bill saying this is what it was before and this what it is now....There just seemed to be a lot posters trolling with negative posts when no one knows yet. I want to discuss the phone and its new technical aspects and the carrier but not have to wade through all the blatant negativity.....

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Nobody said anything about profit. Of course we understand that. Should a Honda civic [sic] cost 12 million dollars [sic] because someone else didn't do the r&d [sic] and make it?
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The Honda Civic isn't the world's first car. Guess what, even if the Civic cost $12 million, it isn't up to you what it costs. If you don't like it, you are free to start your own company and build your own car. Failing that, you can shop elsewhere. Trolling the Honda Civic forums is probably not the best idea you could come up with, however. Perhaps you could visit the forum of a car that you do own, or a car that you can afford to buy when it comes out.
Continue to defend obvious ridiculous pricing. I will do the opposite. Thanks [sic].
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The pricing is what it is. If you can't afford it, get a better job so that you can. Anyone can find out the price of the Atrix and its accessories, and you calling their pricing 'ridiculous' doesn't help anyone here. Everyone can make up their own mind about the pricing, and decide for themselves whether or not they would like to buy the phone and/or its accessories.

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You are right feedback is invaluable to companies and existing and potential consumers. Now how can you give feedback for something you have NEVER used?
Do you have a bill showing us how overcharged you have been from AT&T? Can you show us how much a rip off the data plan is for this phone? Can you show us you invaluable feedback on the phone and difference the bill was on your existing FamilyTalk plan you have with AT&T? So how valuable is your feedback considering you have never used the phone and cannot say what the billing impact was to your new or existing wireless bill/plan?????
You can't do any of those so what value can you criticism be????
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Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!

eallan said:
Customer perception of value can only occur if I have had personal hands on time with the device? Like the build quality of the keyboard will suddenly make it worth 500 bucks? Get out of here.
I don't get to set the atrix accessories price, or the honda civic. However, as a consumer interested in these product I can damn sure state my dissatisfaction with their current price points on some items. I can actually do it all day long, without starting my own cell phone company.
You don't know what I do, how much I charge or anything. Just because my expertise lies elsewhere doesn't mean I don't have the right to tell a company or a forum of users how I (I'm also not alone, all the press has ripped them for the dock pricing) feel.
I'll continue to state my opinions, you do the same. Trust me, I don't need a better job. Thanks though!
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You're welcome!

"most reliable 4G network" So not true big red

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4ktvs said:
I think verizon needs to be sued for the False ad's of Fastest (Ok) and MOST RELIABLE 4G NETWORK( BS). I have been droping data on 4G every week with verizon, but only one time with S2/AT&T. (Fake 4g, but they have LTE and I have not herd of it droping and NOT WORKING AT ALL.)
Yes or no?
P.S AT&T is starting to get what it needs. (Being sued, now it's the big reds turn.)
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Most reliable can be judged in many ways, its pretty much opinion.

How so and how is %up time an "opinion".
Not trying to make any one mad, but I would like to know.

4ktvs said:
How so and how is %up time an "opinion".
Not trying to make any one mad, but I would like to know.
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Reliable could mean no downtime, or more consistant download speeds. More coverage etc..

Downtime: is #1 isuse (Data not working at all)
Consistant: I get any were from my sig to 3-4DL and 2UP. So that #2
Coverage: Ok they win, but to me that does not do a lot of good if 1 and 2 are messed up.

Never had 4g drops. 100% solid service here. In Los Angeles area.
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Good for you then. I know they had 2-3 nation-wide 4g outages in dec.( I was pissed about 2 of them.) I wish I lived in LA, the PD and internet is better there.( Ok the PD part was more about the movies then caring how good it is in real life, but still.)
What 4G phone do you have?
I got the RAZR thinking it had the best 4G LTE built in. ( The G nexus seemed very bad and I know a guy who works there who informed me before it come out)

Here where I live Verizon is pretty damn fast. But why do you need a data connection that fast?
Battery technology needs to improve to power these new devices that eat data. I'm happy with my 14megs on TMobile.
Plus Verizon is over priced. Funny I say that because I just got a part time gig at a Verizon store.
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I think both AT&T and verizon are over priced and I have both and pay about 120 for them.
All I wanted was about 10 that had 99.9% up time now is that so hard big red IS IT.
AT&T Has the 99.9% there, but just about never gets 10. I had no idea t-mobile had good speed like that.

I went in to a verizon store today to see if they could put a new sim in and not only did it take forever, but the guy was being rude and stupid when I asked for help with my data droping. I have about had it with this POS 4G that verizon sell's. I may just take them to court myself, with or with out any one joining in on it.

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I went in to a verizon store today to see if they could put a new sim in and not only did it take forever, but the guy was being rude and stupid when I asked for help with my data droping. I have about had it with this POS 4G that verizon sell's. I may just take them to court myself, with or with out any one joining in on it.
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How many months do you have left on your contract? If you're not happy with their speeds or customer service, why don't you leave? At the worst case, can't you call retentions, tell them whats up and see if they can add extra stuff to your plan? I would figure dropping them would be more cost effective then suing but I don't know if its just American culture to sue whoever for whatever but thats just my opinion.

I have in till 2013 and It would cost me about 350 for ETF. There is no stuff that would make up for there fail. I have never sued before and I know your kind don't like to do that, but I think if your not geting what they put on TV then thats BS.
Every one here loves them to no end and they get a way with what ever. Not any more if I have anything to say about it.

"my kind" just doesn't see the point in suing a billion dollar company over something like this. Mind you doesn't mean I'm right, but I would just move my business elsewhere. Rogers in Canada was raping me so I said fudge it, paid the $300, went to Telus and would recommend them to anyone purely based on customer service. I just don't see much happening if you sue them by yourself, if you had bunch of other people in the suit with you sure, I'm sure your chances would increase. But its not like they are gonna radically change the way they do business over your lawsuit...but I guess it starts with one case at a time...in the end I would just say eff you Verizon and I would peace out and move to another company.

1) I know you must think all of the U.S.A sue every one like the lady sueing the fast food place, but it's not true.
2) I don't want my C rating messed up just because some company can't live up to the ADs they bast on TVS I HAVE TO SEE EVERY TIME I GO OUT ANY WERE WITH TVS.(eating out and so on.)
3) I like Canada and wish we had heath care like yours.
4) I likely will just say "fudge it", because I can pay it till the end any way.

don't get me wrong, I don't think every American sues someone, but there is an over saturation of frivolous lawsuits within the states. Anyways, its really up to you if you want to sue or not, I don't blame you either way and I hope everything works out for you. Power is with the customer, not the carrier so if you're not happy with the service, eff them.

I have an Infuse 4G on ATT. 4G has always been stable and fast for me. I've gotten up to 15mbps download speeds off it.
I live in SoCal if that helps judge the signal/service over here.

I know it is and thats why I say the big red is full of it. Last night I droped data 3 times and fell back to 3g two times. There phone CS is nice, but not so smart. I tryed to tell them what USB is and they keeped on talking about WIFI. Any way I will be geting a new phone by the end of the year.
To all on AT&T: The grass is NOT GREENER ON VERIZON, THE DATA DROPER.

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I think both AT&T and verizon are over priced and I have both and pay about 120 for them.
All I wanted was about 10 that had 99.9% up time now is that so hard big red IS IT.
AT&T Has the 99.9% there, but just about never gets 10. I had no idea t-mobile had good speed like that.
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First of all, you expect 99.9% uptime from a cellular network? That's absurd, especially when carriers oversell in more densely populated/metropolitan areas. You'll never get 99.9% uptime from anything other than a leased landline, and you'll pay a premium for it. AT&T doesn't have that kind of reliability--no carrier does. It seems like you just like to complain for the fun of it, but let me assure you you'll end up farther in the red suing Verizon than you would just taking the ETF and moving to another provider.

oh yea, I have NEVER droped data with AT&T so thats 100% up time. Now I am not saying that it should never fail, but I bet if you out places and droped data 50% of the time even with 3-5bars/5 then you would be mad. It drops data in my home with 3-4bars and about -85dbm. Now perhaps I should have not used 99.9% as uptime, but I kind of think that it shuold not be so hit and miss.
I don't "complain" for fun, becuase I know every thing has it's bug's, fails and so on. I have about 4-7 vid's now showing the some thing. It verys alot and I only film about 1/2 to 1/3 of all the data drops.
I bet you work for them trying to go back on there ads. They are the most aragunt CO I have ever seen and that says alot, becuase apple used to be #1 to me. AT&T is in my top 5, but your CO read verizon is #1. I meen they don't seem to care at all if any one left, becuase 10 more will come in, becuase of all the brain-washing TV ads they run. They are just like apple, but are even more full of it. Oh yea about me being in the red, I should win this case easy in a few weeks when I have made more videos showing how full of it they are. I should have about 20-30 videos or more by them at the rate they drop data. I won't even need a rep, becuase I will do that my self. Plus after the AT&T won his case it should be next to a shoe in.
I will not have a dent on my CR becuase some CO can't give what they basely yell and screem on TV ads and thier stores.
P.S In case you don't work for them, well then I guess you did not get it or just don't like geting what you pay for.
Edit: Well I guess I won pottedplant73. and 99.9% up time= down for about 15min a day every day of every week of every mouth of every year, so I don't think think it's "absurd".

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oh yea, I have NEVER droped data with AT&T so thats 100% up time. Now I am not saying that it should never fail, but I bet if you out places and droped data 50% of the time even with 3-5bars/5 then you would be mad. It drops data in my home with 3-4bars and about -85dbm. Now perhaps I should have not used 99.9% as uptime, but I kind of think that it shuold not be so hit and miss.
I don't "complain" for fun, becuase I know every thing has it's bug's, fails and so on. I have about 4-7 vid's now showing the some thing. It verys alot and I only film about 1/2 to 1/3 of all the data drops.
I bet you work for them trying to go back on there ads. They are the most aragunt CO I have ever seen and that says alot, becuase apple used to be #1 to me. AT&T is in my top 5, but your CO read verizon is #1. I meen they don't seem to care at all if any one left, becuase 10 more will come in, becuase of all the brain-washing TV ads they run. They are just like apple, but are even more full of it. Oh yea about me being in the red, I should win this case easy in a few weeks when I have made more videos showing how full of it they are. I should have about 20-30 videos or more by them at the rate they drop data. I won't even need a rep, becuase I will do that my self. Plus after the AT&T won his case it should be next to a shoe in.
I will not have a dent on my CR becuase some CO can't give what they basely yell and screem on TV ads and thier stores.
P.S In case you don't work for them, well then I guess you did not get it or just don't like geting what you pay for.
Edit: Well I guess I won pottedplant73. and 99.9% up time= down for about 15min a day every day of every week of every mouth of every year, so I don't think think it's "absurd".
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Yeah, you got me--just because I'm pointing out problems with your argument means I work for Verizon. It's all a massive conspiracy against you, obviously. Personally, I'd never bother with Verizon. They're currently the most expensive carrier in the U.S. and that's saying something. People pay absurd prices for tiny amounts of 3G/4G data just because the convenience factor has outweighed the economics of it. When it comes down to it, all the wireless carriers we have suck in one aspect or another. They all gouge, they all engage in deceptive business tactics, they all lie, and they all give you less than you had before, and expect more money. This is what made me decide to go month to month on the cheapest plan I can stand.
I encourage you to sue, though. Or better yet, get a class action lawsuit going. I'd love to see Verizon eat some crow.